Hypothetical Trade

[Drummond]

Channel 10 News just said that Meesen has just put contract talks on hold, and considering he’s out of contract at season’s end I’m not overly confident he’ll be back next year. :(

I believe Richmond’s Danny Meyer is also out of contract at season’s end. He’s 20 years of age, originates from Glenelg, and is reportedly home sick although that’s just speculation. He’s struggling to make an impact with the Tigers, but has performed quite well with Coburg in the VFL.

So considering they were taken at picks 8 and 12 respectively in the 2004 AFL Draft, would you trade Meesen for Meyer?

[RoosterLad]

I don't understand why you are so obsessed with Meyer, you have made a few threads about him and every trade thread you mention Meyer. Isn't he struggling to get a game with Richmond?

[bus24]

Pass.

[Drummond]

I don't understand why you are so obsessed with Meyer, you have made a few threads about him and every trade thread you mention Meyer. Isn't he struggling to get a game with Richmond?
As I said, he is struggling to get a game with the Tigers however I wouldn’t let it detract us from his potential.

Incredible pace which is something we’re currently lacking, excellent athleticism including a great leap, and is known to apply good defensive pressure.

The way I see it is Meesen is out of contract at the end of the year, and considering he’s just put contract talks on hold you would suspect that his chances of being here next year are minimal. Meyer is a South Australian who was highly rated in his draft year, put him in the right environment as he could thrive IMO.

[Crow-mo]

for the love of god.

[Kane McGoodwin]

If only we could trade posters.

[Stiffy_18]

God give me strength! :o

[Gets!]

I have reported your post.

[kimirocks]

If only we could trade posters.hehe.

[Drummond]

for the love of god.

If only we could trade posters.

God give me strength! :o

I have reported your post.

hehe.
OK then, I want suggestions from all you guys about who you would want in return for Meesen.

Pavlich is off limits, as are Cooney and Griffen. Who else does that leave? As much as it pains me to say and whether you like it or not, I HIGHLY doubt Meesen will be here next year. So who else is on the cards?

[Gets!]

Why don't we wait until the end of the year?

[Deledio2Tambling]

:D I find it funny that the only 2 posters who said yes were Tigers Supporters :D

[Drummond]

Why don't we wait until the end of the year?
I know everyone loves you on this board, but boy do you love to sit on the fence.

Every thread we hear the same thing about waiting for these things, well why wait? I’ve just started a simple discussion about potential players we could get in return for Meesen if he is to leave. I’m not saying he’s gone, but the bottom line is that it’s not looking likely that he’ll be around next year. So how about you stop dismissing every thread which remotely discusses the future, and tell me would you would like to target.

If Meesen is to leave we’ll get something pretty decent in return, so who/what should that be in your eyes? It's not hard.

[Truck Rutten]

OK then, I want suggestions from all you guys about who you would want in return for Meesen.

Pavlich is off limits, as are Cooney and Griffen. Who else does that leave? As much as it pains me to say and whether you like it or not, I HIGHLY doubt Meesen will be here next year. So who else is on the cards?

I have my doubts too that he'll still be around next year. Ideally I'd like him to stay, but if he's determined to leave then I just hope he can play some really good league footy for Norwood in the second half of the year and get his trade value as high as possible.

I'd be interested in looking at Meyer, but the Tigers would need to sweeten the deal. They'd be guilty of indecent assault in a straight swap for Meesen.

[Supertiger]

Meesen is out of contract. Richmond needs a young ruckman whose been in the system. Meesen has been at a good club. Richmond has the first pick in the PSD. And there are rumours all over the place in Melbourne today that Meesen is coming to Richmond in the PSD.

[Truck Rutten]

Meesen is out of contract. Richmond needs a young ruckman whose been in the system. Meesen has been at a good club. Richmond has the first pick in the PSD. And there are rumours all over the place in Melbourne today that Meesen is coming to Richmond in the PSD.
That won't happen unless the kid has no integrity whatsoever, which I highly doubt. There'd be way too many Vic clubs interested in securing a promising top 10 pick ruckmen for him to go PSD, unless he does a Nick "Judas" Stevens. I doubt our club would've recruited a kid with that sort of character. We've learnt our lesson in that area.

[Supertiger]

Opportunity to play and a decent salary may get him to agree to a PSD deal. by the way Meyer is a good player. hed be sensational at Adelaide, the kid needs to play in a good side with experienced players- he hasnt got that at Richmond.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Meesen is out of contract. Richmond needs a young ruckman whose been in the system. Meesen has been at a good club. Richmond has the first pick in the PSD. And there are rumours all over the place in Melbourne today that Meesen is coming to Richmond in the PSD.
I'm guessing you started the rumour.

I very much doubt Meesen will end up in the PSD as the Crows would do a deal if he wanted to leave.

[Drummond]

I'd be interested in looking at Meyer, but the Tigers would need to sweeten the deal. They'd be guilty of indecent assault in a straight swap for Meesen.
Well we got Pick 17 for Fergus Watts who did very little in his 5 AFL games with the club. And he really only had the 1 standout game in his two years in the SANFL. We drafted him with the 14th Pick. Considering he was the most highly rated ruckman in his draft year, I would suggest Meesen would be worth a bit more than what Watts was.

Meesen is out of contract. Richmond needs a young ruckman whose been in the system. Meesen has been at a good club. Richmond has the first pick in the PSD. And there are rumours all over the place in Melbourne today that Meesen is coming to Richmond in the PSD.
Serious? :eek: Well that certainly makes it a very interesting time for the AFC. I don’t believe Meesen would be one to walk out on the club and give us nothing in return. But regardless, if he wants to end up at the Tigers then I’d much rather make a deal to get Meyer than to be left with nothing. Even those on this board who don’t rate me or my views on Meyer would be with me on that one.

[The Coon Dog]

If he does want to return to Vic & is out of contract then Adelaide's bargaining power is somewhat limited.

If another club offers you player x (but significantly less than you would like) you might have to accept that or lose him for nothing in the PSD (ala Nick Stevens).

Unpalatable either way.

[Gets!]

Nick Stevens is the only player who has basically just walked out and gone in the PSD. Clubs will usually do the right thing and work things out.

[Truck Rutten]

If he does want to return to Vic & is out of contract then Adelaide's bargaining power is somewhat limited.

If another club offers you player x (but significantly less than you would like) you might have to accept that or lose him for nothing in the PSD (ala Nick Stevens).

Unpalatable either way.

It won't happen as there'll be too many clubs interested in him. Tell me which Vic clubs couldn't do with a top 10 pick, 200cm ruckman, who can play forward, who's had 3 years development in one of the best systems in the comp?

[Supertiger]

I'm guessing you started the rumour.

I very much doubt Meesen will end up in the PSD as the Crows would do a deal if he wanted to leave.


I didnt start it, infact I only heard it late today. This rumour probably started in Adelaide where it was reported on the news or something.

[RoosterLad]

I know everyone loves you on this board, but boy do you love to sit on the fence.

Every thread we hear the same thing about waiting for these things, well why wait? I’ve just started a simple discussion about potential players we could get in return for Meesen if he is to leave. I’m not saying he’s gone, but the bottom line is that it’s not looking likely that he’ll be around next year. So how about you stop dismissing every thread which remotely discusses the future, and tell me would you would like to target.

If Meesen is to leave we’ll get something pretty decent in return, so who/what should that be in your eyes? It's not hard.

He's bloody well on the money though. He is not sitting on the fence, he is just realising that we are halfway through the season so there is no point crapping on about trades and draft choices now.. we have footy games to win and hopefully finals to contest. Wait till that is over before crapping on about what player to trade for the norwood bloke. I feel the same way and the amount of stupid threats about who we should trade for and ####ing draft in 2015 is getting pretty bloody ridiculous right now. I am not sure what has happened to the Drummond who used to post on here before aliens probed him and inserted permanent PMS.

[Drummond]

It won't happen as there'll be too many clubs interested in him. Tell me which Vic clubs couldn't do with a top 10 pick 200cm ruckman, who can play forward?
Apart from his first year with the Legs when he wasn’t physically ready to compete in the ruck, he's barely spent more than 10 minutes a game up forward. Maybe, and it's a big maybe, he’ll be a decent forward down the track but at this stage he’s too easily out bodied and doesn’t have strong enough hands to be a forward.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Channel 10 News just said that Meesen has just put contract talks on hold, and considering he’s out of contract at season’s end I’m not overly confident he’ll be back next year. :(

I believe Richmond’s Danny Meyer is also out of contract at season’s end. He’s 20 years of age, originates from Glenelg, and is reportedly home sick although that’s just speculation. He’s struggling to make an impact with the Tigers, but has performed quite well with Coburg in the VFL.

So considering they were taken at picks 8 and 12 respectively in the 2004 AFL Draft, would you trade Meesen for Meyer?
Trade him to Geelong.

They need a young ruckman to develop. Perhaps try and push for a swap with Varcoe ? (may be pushing it a little).

If not - then the direct swap with Danny Meyer seems fitting. Both clubs gain.

[macca23]

Channel 10 News just said that Meesen has just put contract talks on hold, and considering he’s out of contract at season’s end I’m not overly confident he’ll be back next year. :(

I believe Richmond’s Danny Meyer is also out of contract at season’s end. He’s 20 years of age, originates from Glenelg, and is reportedly home sick although that’s just speculation. He’s struggling to make an impact with the Tigers, but has performed quite well with Coburg in the VFL.

So considering they were taken at picks 8 and 12 respectively in the 2004 AFL Draft, would you trade Meesen for Meyer?


I think we have another first round floparoo on our hands here Drummond. :(

Players only put their contract discussions off until the end of the season for one of 2 reasons:

1 - They are in outstanding form and want to bargain for a significant pay rise at year end. That ain't Meesen!!

2 - They are going to p1ss off home at the end of the year. That sounds like Meesen.

We used pick 8 on Meesen. We won't see anything like that in a potential trade IMO. More like a very low first rounder like 16 or even a 2nd rounder.

My hunch is that he has shown so little that we will be forced to firesale him or risk getting nothing for him :(

[RoosterLad]

I doubt Geelong would be willing to let go of Varcoe.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I doubt Geelong would be willing to let go of Varcoe.
You're right.

I doubt they will either. But at the same time they are screaming out for a young ruckman now that King isn't performing so well.

Im 120% sure Meeson will do the right thing by AFC and opt for a deal, as opposed to walking into the PSD.

[macca23]

Yo`DooR;7818698']Trade him to Geelong.

They need a young ruckman to develop. Perhaps try and push for a swap with Varcoe ? (may be pushing it a little).

He won't be going anywhere for the moment, though - one would think ;)

I'd do that trade. :thumbsu:

[Crow-mo]

I'm guessing you started the rumour.

I very much doubt Meesen will end up in the PSD as the Crows would do a deal if he wanted to leave.

I think correct on both counts.

Meesen goes to Richmond in the PSD (If that's on the cards) only if the other 9 victorian teams sit on their hands and let it happen.

why would Geelong (say) let Richmond get him for nothing, when they could use him.

then why would the Doggies (say) let Geelong get him on the cheap...

and so forth...

[Drummond]

We used pick 8 on Meesen. We won't see anything like that in a potential trade IMO. More like a very low first rounder like 16 or even a 2nd rounder.

My hunch is that he has shown so little that we will be forced to firesale him or risk getting nothing for him :(
I agree macca.

As I said earlier, had Fergus Watts done much more when he was traded to the Saints? But I guess the Saints were willing to give up their 1st rounder because his Dad was there and looking back at it perhaps we got a tad lucky. Has Meesen shown less or more than Watts? Watts played 5 AFL games in 2 years but had little impact in the SANFL bar that one Finals game.

I highly doubt any club would be willing to trade us anyone who has established themselves at AFL level. That means Griffen, Cooney, Waters, Butler, Bell, Slattery ect would all be off-limits. You would think the only two outcomes are a lesser known South Australian fringe player such as Meyer, or a draft pick.

[Stiffy_18]

I know everyone loves you on this board, but boy do you love to sit on the fence.

Every thread we hear the same thing about waiting for these things, well why wait? I’ve just started a simple discussion about potential players we could get in return for Meesen if he is to leave. I’m not saying he’s gone, but the bottom line is that it’s not looking likely that he’ll be around next year. So how about you stop dismissing every thread which remotely discusses the future, and tell me would you would like to target.

If Meesen is to leave we’ll get something pretty decent in return, so who/what should that be in your eyes? It's not hard.
Why wait?!

Well I don't know, maybe to find out what exactly is happening and them see who else is available on the market. Why the #### would we settle for Danny Meyer when there might be a bigger fish out there?!

But lets wait and see if the kid will leave or stay. 99% of the people here thought that he would have gone last year yet they were wrong. What makes you think he might not do the same thing and stay on with us?

[RoosterLad]

Watts has shown more than Meesen purely because he kicked 10 in a match.

[macca23]

I think correct on both counts.

Meesen goes to Richmond in the PSD (If that's on the cards) only if the other 9 victorian teams sit on their hands and let it happen.

why would Geelong (say) let Richmond get him for nothing, when they could use him.

then why would the Doggies (say) let Geelong get him on the cheap...

and so forth...

That was the general thought with Fergus Watts though Crow-mo and they didn't exactly beat the door down to get him.

IMO Meesen has produced less than Watts.

I hope you're right though. :thumbsu:

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Opportunity to play and a decent salary may get him to agree to a PSD deal. by the way Meyer is a good player. hed be sensational at Adelaide, the kid needs to play in a good side with experienced players- he hasnt got that at Richmond.
Im sure that if that was the case.

Carlton would be more than happy to throw up a 2nd rounder to try and pip that deal.

2nd round pick > Nothing.

[Drummond]

Why wait?!

Well I don't know, maybe to find out what exactly is happening and them see who else is available on the market. Why the #### would we settle for Danny Meyer when there might be a bigger fish out there?!

But lets wait and see if the kid will leave or stay. 99% of the people here thought that he would have gone last year yet they were wrong. What makes you think he might not do the same thing and stay on with us?
Do you even need to ask?

• More than likely he’ll be 4th in line next year (Hudson, Griffin, Maric, Meesen).
• 2007 was the year for Meesen. He put in a huge pre-season and with Biglands out for the year this was his big chance to establish himself at AFL level. Well the worst thing imaginable happened; he suffered a long term injury which set him back.
• He signed a 1 year deal at the end of 2006, which gave him another season to evaluate where he stood at the AFC. As nothing has changed and he is still a long way off making his AFL debut, give me one reason why he will re-sign?

I hate to say it, you know how much of a fan I am, but all signs point to the fact he’s leaving, and that was BEFORE I heard he has put his contract talks on hold.

And without doubt there are bigger fish out there than Meyer, but who out there is out of contract and would be seeking a move to South Australia? I think you'll find there aren't too many.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Jordan Russell ?

[Crow-mo]

That was the general thought with Fergus Watts though Crow-mo and they didn't exactly beat the door down to get him.

IMO Meesen has produced less than Watts.

I hope you're right though. :thumbsu:

True. But then, it all depends on how you view pick 17 (on the cheap or not?).

I also believe 2 things from our point of view here: that Fergus' ties to St Kilda (that didn't last long) put some clubs off; and that we tried to do the right thing by the player. long term that sort of stuff matters.

[Crow-mo]

Yo`DooR;7818854']Im sure that if that was the case.

Carlton would be more than happy to throw up a 2nd rounder to try and pip that deal.

2nd round pick > Nothing.

exactly. at that point, it's every victorian club for themselves.

[macca23]

Yo`DooR;7819041']Jordan Russell ?

He's okay but IMO doesn't really tick the boxes for what we need.

We need a quick genuine crumber up forward - hence my interest in Varcoe - or a forward capable of taking a string of contested marks.

Whetehr we get anything like that is totally another question though.

[King Elvis]

I'd want something else, not just Meyer.

As has been said, a top 10 pick who has spent a couple of years being developed by one of the most professional Clubs in the League would have to hold his value pretty well.

And a good tall is simply worth more than a good small.

Really, we need to almost get the whispers out that a trade might be on the cards, and for any young Adelaide-born players looking to come home to get their Managers to give us a ring.

The Varcoe trade you'd look at - would that be a straight swap though?

Macca - I think with Sellar, Tippett & Griff being developed, with Hentschel to come back, we should be alright with our KPP stocks in a year or two. The midfield still looks good, the backline is pretty solid - so yes, either a good leading, quick forward, or a high pressure crumber.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

He's okay but IMO doesn't really tick the boxes for what we need.

We need a quick genuine crumber up forward - hence my interest in Varcoe - or a forward capable of taking a string of contested marks.

Whetehr we get anything like that is totally another question though.

hmmm ... We've got a stack of KP players.

Would Adam Hartlett be suitable for the Crows ?

taken at #25 that very same draft from West Adelaide. 196 cm, 100 kg FB/CHB/CHF/FF and still only 21.

Hartlett + a draft pick ?

[macca23]

Yo`DooR;7819152']hmmm ... We've got a stack of KP players.

Would Adam Hartlett be suitable for the Crows ?

taken at #25 that very same draft from West Adelaide. 196 cm, 100 kg FB/CHB/CHF/FF and still only 21.

Hartlett + a draft pick ?

Really don't know enough about how he's travelling in the magoos and whether he can take a strong contested mark.

His one and only AFL game against adelaide was something short of memorable.

[King Elvis]

Would he be a walk up start though?

With respect to your mob, how many games has he played for you this year?

Regardless, I don't think we need another KPP, if one or two of Sellar, Tippett, Griff or Hentschel comes good we could be alright.

I don't think we'd want another pick, and I don't think we'd want a guy struggling to get a game for you guys.

And we'd want a walk-up start who can fill a role that we currently lack (a Bode type).

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

His one and only AFL game against adelaide was something short of memorable.

Fair Point. :cool::cool:

[King Elvis]

It'd be a bit harsh, but my first thought would be to look at St Kilda and try and raid them for a player.

Them or Melbourne.

[kimirocks]

Firesale down at Carlton FC. Sell out all your dud South Aussies for bargain basement prices. Come one, come all. :)

Anywho, although I am a fan of both Russell and Hartlett, I'm not so sure that they fit us. Russell, by what I've heard this year (not being able to watch and all) has been used primarily as a stopper. I would think Adelaide would use him more as a winger, what he should be use as. He has pace, generally good skills, but just needs a bit more bulk. Still might be a player, but a lot of perseverance is needed.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Firesale down at Carlton FC. Sell out all your dud South Aussies for bargain basement prices. Come one, come all. :)

Anywho, although I am a fan of both Russell and Hartlett, I'm not so sure that they fit us. Russell, by what I've heard this year (not being able to watch and all) has been used primarily as a stopper. I would think Adelaide would use him more as a winger, what he should be use as. He has pace, generally good skills, but just needs a bit more bulk. Still might be a player, but a lot of perseverance is needed.
Dennis finally agreed to let him play loose in the midfield for a change, for the first time on Sat night.

Some pretty impressive stats:

16 Possessions, 7 Contested Possessions, 7 Marks, 2 Tackles, 6 Inside 50s

[King Elvis]

We almost need a list of Adelaide born players under 25 playing in Melbourne at the moment.

Sam Fisher from Saints?
Daniel Bell from Melbourne?
Angus Monfries from Essendon?
Matthew Bate from Melbourne?


We might need to give something else as well, but players like that are where I would be looking.

EDIT - Jordan Russell (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carltonfc/TheClub/Players/PlayerProfiles/tabid/7854/playerId/14030/teamId/43/typeId/2/Default.aspx) as a straight swap, I wouldn't be too upset with. Would definitely be worth considering. Or Jarred Waite ;)

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

We almost need a list of Adelaide born players under 25 playing in Melbourne at the moment.

Sam Fisher from Saints?
Daniel Bell from Melbourne?
Angus Monfries from Essendon?
Matthew Bate from Melbourne?


We might need to give something else as well, but players like that are where I would be looking.
Matthew Bate is from Croydon in Victoria.

[Stiffy_18]

Do you even need to ask?

• More than likely he’ll be 4th in line next year (Hudson, Griffin, Maric, Meesen).
• 2007 was the year for Meesen. He put in a huge pre-season and with Biglands out for the year this was his big chance to establish himself at AFL level. Well the worst thing imaginable happened; he suffered a long term injury which set him back.
• He signed a 1 year deal at the end of 2006, which gave him another season to evaluate where he stood at the AFC. As nothing has changed and he is still a long way off making his AFL debut, give me one reason why he will re-sign?

I hate to say it, you know how much of a fan I am, but all signs point to the fact he’s leaving, and that was BEFORE I heard he has put his contract talks on hold.

And without doubt there are bigger fish out there than Meyer, but who out there is out of contract and would be seeking a move to South Australia? I think you'll find there aren't too many.
And all that was pretty much being said this time last year and he signed on. So who knows what exactly will happen here. He might go or he might stay but one thing is clear, this thread is just another demonstration of premature ejaculation on your end.

[Stiffy_18]

We almost need a list of Adelaide born players under 25 playing in Melbourne at the moment.

Sam Fisher from Saints?
Daniel Bell from Melbourne?
Angus Monfries from Essendon?
Matthew Bate from Melbourne?


We might need to give something else as well, but players like that are where I would be looking.

EDIT - Jordan Russell (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carltonfc/TheClub/Players/PlayerProfiles/tabid/7854/playerId/14030/teamId/43/typeId/2/Default.aspx) as a straight swap, I wouldn't be too upset with. Would definitely be worth considering. Or Jarred Waite ;)
And all those are under contract. We had a crack at Bell last year and he wanted to stay in Melbourne.

The only 3 SA players out of contract worth looking at this year are Pavlich, Cooney and Varcoe. And if your are trading Meesen then you better make damn sure you get one of those. Obviously, some won't be a straight up trade but Meesen or any other of our rucks for that matter could be our trading chip in getting enough picks to satisfy say Fremantle or the Bulldogs.

At this stage, it really is just a premature speculation. This time last year CH10 already had Meesen playing for a victorian side. CH10 is notorious for making a mountain out of mole hill so I wouldn't read too much into this just yet.

[Drummond]

And all that was pretty much being said this time last year and he signed on. So who knows what exactly will happen here. He might go or he might stay but one thing is clear, this thread is just another demonstration of premature ejaculation on your end.
Last year was different. Biglands wasn’t in the picture and he had a great chance to be the backup ruckman for 2007. So Stiffy, I want you to tell me why he only signed on for a further 12 months at the end of 2006.

I’ve said this elsewhere, reports were that he had a few offers from Victorian clubs late last year and yet despite this he signed on for another year. What that tells me is that he wanted to remain at the AFC, but he preferred a short term deal so he could assess where he stood when the contract was up.

Due to the fact he signed the shortest contract extension possible last year, what is there so suggest he will be back if he hasn’t made his debut this year? I doubt he would be willing to remain here for another year if there has been no change to his position at the AFC. We need him to have a big second half of the year so he puts himself in contention for senior selection. If he genuinely feels he’s making progress, he’s all the more likely to stay. Consider this, he's only just returning from a knee injury and he's a long way down the pecking order, add that to the fact he's put contract talks on hold, I think the chances of him returning are incredibly slim.

[kimirocks]

Yo`DooR;7819356']Dennis finally agreed to let him play loose in the midfield for a change, for the first time on Sat night.

Some pretty impressive stats:

16 Possessions, 7 Contested Possessions, 7 Marks, 2 Tackles, 6 Inside 50sThats excellent to hear, it's been a long time coming. Get him here ASAP.

[Stiffy_18]

Last year was different. Biglands wasn’t in the picture and he had a great chance to be the backup ruckman for 2007. So Stiffy, I want you to tell me why he only signed on for a further 12 months at the end of 2006.

I’ve said this elsewhere, reports were that he had a few offers from Victorian clubs late last year and yet despite this he signed on for another year. What that tells me is that he wanted to remain at the AFC, but he preferred a short term deal so he could assess where he stood when the contract was up.

Due to the fact he signed the shortest contract extension possible last year, what is there so suggest he will be back if he hasn’t made his debut this year? I doubt he would be willing to remain here for another year if there has been no change to his position at the AFC. We need him to have a big second half of the year so he puts himself in contention for senior selection. If he genuinely feels he’s making progress, he’s all the more likely to stay. Consider this, he's only just returning from a knee injury and he's a long way down the pecking order, add that to the fact he's put contract talks on hold, I think the chances of him returning are incredibly slim.
Rubbish!

Wasn't Biglands still very much in the picture when Meesen signed on?! He was still considered behind a few other boys in the pecking order. No different to this year.

Why woudl he stay?! Well maybe to keep developing in a system under a coach who develops his players and quickly. Maybe to play in a successful side. He might have competative streak that won't allow him to back away from the challenge.

I just find it funny that you jump at any speculative bad news and thinkt he roof is falling in. I am not going to worry about this until the time it happens, that is if it happens and if it does, then lets look at what we can do. We are half way through the H&A season and you are already striking up a deal for a scrumb that can't even hold a spot in the side that hasn't won a game this season.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Thats excellent to hear, it's been a long time coming. Get him here ASAP.
It was probably just a personal message from Jordan to Port.

After they refused to give up anything more than pick #39 for him last October.

[Drummond]

Rubbish!

Wasn't Biglands still very much in the picture when Meesen signed on?! He was still considered behind a few other boys in the pecking order. No different to this year.

Why woudl he stay?! Well maybe to keep developing in a system under a coach who develops his players and quickly. Maybe to play in a successful side. He might have competative streak that won't allow him to back away from the challenge.

I just find it funny that you jump at any speculative bad news and thinkt he roof is falling in. I am not going to worry about this until the time it happens, that is if it happens and if it does, then lets look at what we can do. We are half way through the H&A season and you are already striking up a deal for a scrumb that can't even hold a spot in the side that hasn't won a game this season.
Look I see where you’re coming from, but to me all signs point to the fact he’s going home. That’s just my take on the matter, ranging from the 12 month contract, to his stance at the AFC, and now his stalled contract talks. Of course nothing is concrete, he could re-sign tomorrow, but I just don’t think it’s looking all that flash.

Meyer could turn out to be a flop, but there’s a LOT of upside IMO. He has shown very little and you’re right, it doesn’t look good that he can’t even crack a winless Tigers side, but he’s a lot better than his current position indicates. Speed, athleticism, beautiful foot skills and the ability to play midfield/forward; I think too many people are writing him off because he hasn’t made much of an impact and that must make him a dud.

[crowsarethebest]

I don't really liek Russell. Hartlett hasn't done much to interest me as well. For Messen we should be getting at least a 1st rounder. If you look atthe ruckamn traded ove the last few seasons, clubs have paid much more for them than midfielders. Ruckman don't grow on trees. We have put 3 years in Meesen, he has been devloped at a professional club. I don't know why these names of Jordan Russell, Adam Hartlett and Danny Meyer are coming up. I'd certainly want much more than them. One player I would be interested in who might come is Jason Winderlich. THe bombers might want more though, he hadn't done much until this year but this year he was given a longer run than usual and he has excelled. He is the exact type of play we are looking for. He is a natural wingman, he has pretty good disposal and has good pace and a bit of flair. He is not extremely outside, he just is a good receiver who knows naturally where to go. He has improved rapidly this year and would be on of the better players for the bombers this year. He is sort of like Scotty Thompson except he has had his break out year, while Scotty had his break out year with us. He is still young 22 or 23? I would be prepared to part with Meese + a pick (Late/mid maybe around 30's) for Winderlich. I don't know whether the Dons will bite though, they have a few ruckman... Although they did get rid of one alst year. They might want a genuine ruck prospect- Hille is the only one with maybe Laycock. Ryder is a backman or foward while Keplar Bradley looks a spud.

[bus24]

I don't think he'll leave.

With Biglands gone, he'll be fighting it out with Maric for the 2nd ruck spot. Yes, in front of Griffin.

[crows98]

OK then, I want suggestions from all you guys about who you would want in return for Meesen.

Pavlich is off limits, as are Cooney and Griffen. Who else does that leave? As much as it pains me to say and whether you like it or not, I HIGHLY doubt Meesen will be here next year. So who else is on the cards?

Hypothetically if John Meesen does ask to be traded back to a Melbourne based club I would judge it on a needs basis.

Would I accept John Meesen for Danny Myer? Absolutely not as we can pick up a 183 cm half forward flanker with a 5th or 6th draft pick or even a via the rookie draft.

We are in the mist of slowly re building the list or trying to renovating the playing squad as we go so I would try and get a first round draft pick (may have to package a 2nd player to add value to the trade) so we can draft a KPP.

Priority one – keep Meesen and make it know he is wanted at the AFC.

Priority two – trade him for a draft pick

Priority three – trade him for Shultz rather than Myer.

[NikkiNoo]

Essendon do not like to trade at all unless they are interested in giving nothing for something.

[crowsarethebest]

I don't think he'll leave.

With Biglands gone, he'll be fighting it out with Maric for the 2nd ruck spot. Yes, in front of Griffin.

I believe there was a reason why he signed a 1 year deal and rejected a reported 3 year deal we offered. If he was given a crack at AFL this year he would most likely sign on. If not, then he would go elsewhere. It has been hard though because he has been injured this year. Last year his form just wasn't up to it. My gut feeling is he will leave.

[Crow-mo]

but one thing is clear, this thread is just another demonstration of premature ejaculation on your end.

whose end do you think he's got premature ejaculate on????? :D

[Crow Envy]

There is still a chance he could play this year. Maric so far this year hasnt set the world on fire. What if Meeson played 2-3 good games for Norwood he maybe given a chance. But I believe if he doesnt get a chance the odds are he would be leaving.

As for possible trades, I doubt it very much Geelong would part with Varcoe, if they would I would jump at it. The Crows were interested in Varcoe but he went one pick before us.

As for trading for draft picks, it depends on the strength of this years draft. Would he be a first round pick in last years super draft? No. But he may be a low pick in a week draft short of ruckman.

By the way didnt Maric sign for 1 year only? Lets hope he's still in love!

[James23]

meesen for tigers first pick :)

pick number 8, best ruckmen in his draft, few years of development with the club with the best resources in the league for a raw number 1 pick

sounds fair to me

[bluespooner]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs. Meyer will take ages if he ever is to become half decent and hence isn't worth the effort. Rivers is another possibility as a trade target.

Either way I reckon you will do alright - these clubs would be looking for a ruckman Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton, Collingwood and Geelong.

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs.

Surely ... you're joking :confused:

[crowsarethebest]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs. Meyer will take ages if he ever is to become half decent and hence isn't worth the effort. Rivers is another possibility as a trade target.

Either way I reckon you will do alright - these clubs would be looking for a ruckman Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton, Collingwood and Geelong.

That would be daylight robbery for us. :D Are you a Carlton supporter?

[Crow Envy]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs. Meyer will take ages if he ever is to become half decent and hence isn't worth the effort. Rivers is another possibility as a trade target.

Either way I reckon you will do alright - these clubs would be looking for a ruckman Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton, Collingwood and Geelong.

Done, get the contracts ready

[CrowMagnum]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs.
Is that Ross Gibbs?

[Carl Spackler]

Players only put their contract discussions off until the end of the season for one of 2 reasons:

1 - They are in outstanding form and want to bargain for a significant pay rise at year end. That ain't Meesen!!

2 - They are going to p1ss off home at the end of the year. That sounds like Meesen.
or

3 - You are playing reserves for Norwood and your stocks at the moment are at their lowest. If you go in to contract negotiations now and ask for more money you will get laughed at.

I think (hope) it is three. He'll be backing himself to play some decent footy for Norwood, squeeze his way into the Crows line up later in the season when Griff's body starts to say enough-is-enough, and shows the Crows that he's got more talent in his left butt cheek than Biglands does in his whole body. Then negotiate the new contract.

[bus24]

Hasn't NVB just moved in with him?

Seal the deal Nath.

[betterthanu]

^^^ number 3 is just as likely as number 2

[Kickin_Goals]

I know I wouldn't sign a contract 3 year deal when I might field next year and perform well and have my options open.
It really just sounds like a stupid move to take such a deal knowing that there are other clubs around if this one doesn't want to deal with my shinanigans.

[Sanguinarius]

I'd offer Meeson and your first round draft pick for Gibbs.


I'll throw in jericho as a bonus :thumbsu:

where do we sign? :D

[Kristof]

He's bloody well on the money though. He is not sitting on the fence, he is just realising that we are halfway through the season so there is no point crapping on about trades and draft choices now.. we have footy games to win and hopefully finals to contest. Wait till that is over before crapping on about what player to trade for the norwood bloke. I feel the same way and the amount of stupid threats about who we should trade for and ####ing draft in 2015 is getting pretty bloody ridiculous right now. I am not sure what has happened to the Drummond who used to post on here before aliens probed him and inserted permanent PMS.

I am proud to put my full support behind Drummond and this thread. :D

We can't spend the whole season just talking about the next weeks game. We can think about more than one thing at a time

[Kickin_Goals]

I am proud to put my full support behind Drummond and this thread. :D

We can't spend the whole season just talking about the next weeks game. We can think about more than one thing at a time

Ee gads man are you insane, you will split your mind in two!!!
And yet you dare to dream

[Kristof]

Ee gads man are you insane, you will split your mind in two!!!
And yet you dare to dream

Nope, I'm climbing on the Drummond train. Get on board while there's still room!

[Southerntakeover]

Nope, I'm climbing on the Drummond train. Get on board while there's still room!

Theres likely to be a whole lot of room for a long long time.

[macca23]

or

3 - You are playing reserves for Norwood and your stocks at the moment are at their lowest. If you go in to contract negotiations now and ask for more money you will get laughed at.

I think (hope) it is three. He'll be backing himself to play some decent footy for Norwood, squeeze his way into the Crows line up later in the season when Griff's body starts to say enough-is-enough, and shows the Crows that he's got more talent in his left butt cheek than Biglands does in his whole body. Then negotiate the new contract.


True. That has to be a possibility, as his currency with the Crows wouldn't be overly high at the moment.

[Dk#1]

Eddie Betts For messen???????????

[Vader]

I'm hoping it's option #3.

Would be a tragic waste seeing us lose another talented player after 3 years of development.

[Crow Chick]

Why would he sign now?? He is no chance to get delisted at the end of the year, from his point of view his stocks can only rise. He could come in at the end of the season and play 5 blinders increases his value, but also cementing his spot in the team for 2008. Even if he doesn't play a game this year the Crows will have to increase his salary otherwise he will probably leave.

Also, as mentioned come trade week there will be a lot of teams looking for a young, bulked up ruckman. In drafting a skinny teenage ruckman you probably won't see him for 3 years. Someone like Meeson can play immediately. I'd say Crows will have quite a few options if he wants to go home.

[iamthestig]

I think he is gone.

When he originally got drafted he was not happy about leaving Vic. I think I saw an interview saying words to the effect of "Im happy to get drafted, but not happy to leave Vic. I'll be back in 2 years". I know he re-signed with the Crows for one year last year but I think you will find that was nothing more than positioning for a return to the club of his choice.

Last year, the talent pool was very deep and described as "the best ever". It was unlikely that clubs would have given up any draft picks to get hold of Meeson, let alone a club he wants to play for (I guess Geelong, given that is where he played pre-draft). PSD will probably get him back to VIC, but maybe at a club he does not want to be at (not dissimilar to his present situation). A one year contract gives him more time to improve his stocks and only injury has prevented him from doing that.

IMO he is gone, and Richmond are in the front running. They need a ruckman and he will be a good one eventually. The Tigers also have Cleve Hughes, who we wanted very very much. Hughes 2 year deal should be up this year.

Meeson - Hughes. Done deal.:thumbsu:

[Panthers64]

Anyone know who Meeson's player manager is?

[baaaallllll]

I think we have another first round floparoo on our hands here Drummond. :(

Players only put their contract discussions off until the end of the season for one of 2 reasons:

1 - They are in outstanding form and want to bargain for a significant pay rise at year end. That ain't Meesen!!

2 - They are going to p1ss off home at the end of the year. That sounds like Meesen.

We used pick 8 on Meesen. We won't see anything like that in a potential trade IMO. More like a very low first rounder like 16 or even a 2nd rounder.

My hunch is that he has shown so little that we will be forced to firesale him or risk getting nothing for him :(

Agree with this post.

Also whilst some posters woudn't want Meyer for Messon deal it would be better than nothing or a late second round pick.

It has been dissappointing that Messon has been injured this year but on the bright side who would have thought J Griffin would have stepped up like he has.

[King Elvis]

No way in hell would I sign a contract when I was just coming back from injury.

You dont negotiate (if you have the option) when your value is at your lowest, it's common sense.

[bus24]

No way in hell would I sign a contract when I was just coming back from injury.

You dont negotiate (if you have the option) when your value is at your lowest, it's common sense.

Spot on.

IMHO, (injury withstanding) he'll be our 2nd ruck by the end of the year.

[Crow-mo]

I am proud to put my full support behind Drummond and this thread. :D


Proud? that's a bit strong.

though we all know you enjoy trade week more than the season proper!

[Markthirtytwo]

Eddie Betts For messen???????????

That's not as silly as it sounds actually. :)

[KUNG FU]

Stalling contract negotiations is not evidence of Meesen looking to go home. Surely he's looking to:
(1) play AFL games in 2007 improve his value
(2) play AFL games in 2007 to ensure that he has an AFL career at this club
(3) leave his options open to go home if his future at this club seems bleak

Meesen will play games this year and he will re-sign. Bookmark this.

[just maybe]

If he's going to Richmond, we'll need a little more than Hughes...but may not be in a position to.

[Realistic Tiger]

It may or may not have been mentioned but if Meeson has a better offer from Richmond than what the Crows are willing to offer this is little you blokes can do to stop it happening. We have pick 1 in the PSD and it is as simple as that.

If we were to offer a 4th round pick for Meeson and no-one else offered a thing the Crows would have to take that if they wanted to at least get something for him in return. Unlike the Watts deal a couple of years back when he wanted to get to the Saints and they had to pay to get him we don't. Personally I would hope the Tigers offered the Crows something for the kid, after all you guys put in the development work for him and it would also aid any future trades. Frankly if both Meyer and Meeson want to go home then perhaps both teams cut their losses and trade them. Again as for the bloke suggesting we need to sweeten the deal there is no need as we still have the PSD up our sleeves.

[just maybe]

It may or may not have been mentioned but if Meeson has a better offer from Richmond than what the Crows are willing to offer this is little you blokes can do to stop it happening. We have pick 1 in the PSD and it is as simple as that.

If we were to offer a 4th round pick for Meeson and no-one else offered a thing the Crows would have to take that if they wanted to at least get something for him in return. Unlike the Watts deal a couple of years back when he wanted to get to the Saints and they had to pay to get him we don't. Personally I would hope the Tigers offered the Crows something for the kid, after all you guys put in the development work for him and it would also aid any future trades. Frankly if both Meyer and Meeson want to go home then perhaps both teams cut their losses and trade them. Again as for the bloke suggesting we need to sweeten the deal there is no need as we still have the PSD up our sleeves.

Two things

1. There's a good relationship between the clubs after the Johnson trade

2. If we could work out a deal with Geelong, Meeson would go there instantly. That's his home, Richmond isn't. You lose.

[Stiffy_18]

It may or may not have been mentioned but if Meeson has a better offer from Richmond than what the Crows are willing to offer this is little you blokes can do to stop it happening. We have pick 1 in the PSD and it is as simple as that.

If we were to offer a 4th round pick for Meeson and no-one else offered a thing the Crows would have to take that if they wanted to at least get something for him in return. Unlike the Watts deal a couple of years back when he wanted to get to the Saints and they had to pay to get him we don't. Personally I would hope the Tigers offered the Crows something for the kid, after all you guys put in the development work for him and it would also aid any future trades. Frankly if both Meyer and Meeson want to go home then perhaps both teams cut their losses and trade them. Again as for the bloke suggesting we need to sweeten the deal there is no need as we still have the PSD up our sleeves.
Blah blah blah!

In the history of the game a team got dudded ONCE by a player leaving their old club with nothing and walking over to his new club. That player was Nick Stevens.

This crap that you are trying to come up with doesn't work in real life because managements are well aware that its not out of the question that the wheel might turn and down the track they might get dudded. Thats why deals get done that both teams can be happy with.

If Meesen does decide to head home we will NOT lose him for nothing even if he does go to Richmond. And you can bookmark it!

[iamthestig]

It may or may not have been mentioned but if Meeson has a better offer from Richmond than what the Crows are willing to offer this is little you blokes can do to stop it happening. We have pick 1 in the PSD and it is as simple as that.

If we were to offer a 4th round pick for Meeson and no-one else offered a thing the Crows would have to take that if they wanted to at least get something for him in return. Unlike the Watts deal a couple of years back when he wanted to get to the Saints and they had to pay to get him we don't. Personally I would hope the Tigers offered the Crows something for the kid, after all you guys put in the development work for him and it would also aid any future trades. Frankly if both Meyer and Meeson want to go home then perhaps both teams cut their losses and trade them. Again as for the bloke suggesting we need to sweeten the deal there is no need as we still have the PSD up our sleeves.

Firstly if Richmond have the #1 pick in the PSD then you will more than likely use that on the best player available, which probably won't be Meeson. Rarely gets used on anything other than an immediate fix for a teams holes. Meeson is not an immediate fix.

Secondly, Tigers are not the only team that would be interested in a Ruckman for the future. Saints and Cats would top the list, Collingwood and Carlton would have a sniff around and surely the Dogs would show interest with Darcy on the way out. The Crows are holding the cards if he wants to leave, not the Tigers mate.

Meyer is not worth Meeson. Hughes is.

[Crow-mo]

It may or may not have been mentioned but if Meeson has a better offer from Richmond than what the Crows are willing to offer this is little you blokes can do to stop it happening. We have pick 1 in the PSD and it is as simple as that.


resoundingly obvious, but true.


If we were to offer a 4th round pick for Meeson and no-one else offered a thing the Crows would have to take that if they wanted to at least get something for him in return.

and there you go...

[Crow-mo]

In the history of the game a team got dudded ONCE by a player leaving their old club with nothing and walking over to his new club. That player was Nick Stevens.


that's not true.

the PSD was once a fertile ground for out of contract players to be poached.

[CrowMagnum]

Blah blah blah!

In the history of the game a team got dudded ONCE by a player leaving their old club with nothing and walking over to his new club. That player was Nick Stevens.

I'd say Mal Michael dudded the Lions big time, even if it was under extraordinary and never to be repeated circumstances.