Draft History Analysis

[larrikin]

I've been wanting to do this for a while, because I always suspected we've done quite well at the draft with mid-range picks as well as rookies. Decided to deveote some time to it so here we go

# Name Year Pick Rd
1 Mitch Brown 2006 16 1
2 Mark LeCras 2004 37 3
3 Chris Judd 2001 3 1
4 Daniel Kerr 200 18 2
5 Tyson Stenglein Trade
6 Mark Nicoski 2003 Rookie
7 Chad Fletcher 1998 Rookie
8 Beau Waters 2003 11 1
9 Ben Cousins 1996 F/S
10 Michael Braun 1996 53 3
11 Matthew Priddis 2006 Rookie
12 Mitchell Morton 2004 F/S
13 Joshua Wooden 1996 Comp
14 Mark Seaby 2001 22 2
16 Eric McKenzie 2006 29 2
17 Daniel Chick Trade
18 Rowan Jones 1997 28 2
19 Tim Houlihan 2006 43 3
20 Dean Cox 2000 Rookie
21 Quentin Lynch 2002 Rookie
22 Jamie Graham 2005 Rookie
23 Darren Glass 1999 11 1
24 Matthew Rosa 2004 29 2
25 Shannon Hurn 2005 13 1
26 Sam Buter 2003 20 2
27 Ben McKinley 2005 27 2
28 Ashley Sampi 2001 6 1
29 Ashley Hansen 2001 38 3
30 Matthew Spangher 2005 34 2
31 Will Schofield 2006 50 3
32 Andrew Embley 1998 57 4
33 James Thomson 2006 80 5
35 Steven Armstrong 2005 Rookie
37 Adam Selwood 2002 4 53
38 Brett Jones 2004 Rookie
39 Adam Hunter 1999 29 2
41 Brent Staker 2002 37 3
44 David Wirrpanda 1996 Comp

[Boy from the West]

Our rookie selection and development must be the envy of other clubs. Shows they have a great eye and then brilliant processes that get the boys through.

Look at this year's rookie picks- Jones and Spanderman recycles but playing out of their skins at WAFL and Jamie MacNamara who is a certainty to get elevated next year.

[larrikin]

7 Rookie elevations in the squad would be rare, and all are either best 22 or not far outside...

[Keyser Soze]

Good work, Larrikin.:thumbsu:

To me that list shows a few things -


We develop our own rather than trading for players.
There are only 8 players left on the list that played under Malthouse.
None of those 8 players were 1st round picks.
Our recruiting in the last years of MM's time was shite.
2000 and 2001 netted us Judd, Kerr, Cox, Hansen, Seaby and Sampi.
Our recruiting over the last 5 years has picked up some gems in the 2nd and 3rd rounds
We haven't had a 1st round pick in the top 10 since 2001 but have still been able to pick up Waters, Hurn and Brown.
The rookie draft has been very kind to us.

[Sven26]

The other thing that the data shows is that West Coast do not use the latter rounds of the AFL Draft, with only one player (James Thomson) taken in Round 5 and none in 6 or 7.

I think this shows that rather than having players on the list from low down in the draft, it's better to have them on the rookie list as development players, and then promote those that show promise during, or at the end, of the season.

[SOSBenny]

Wow...Darren Glass was taken at No. 11 :eek:
Not often that an AA FB is taken in the first round i'd reckon...anyone feel free to correct me if i'm incorrect, I don't have time to look it up atm @ work

[worsfold]

Wow...Darren Glass was taken at No. 11 :eek:
Not often that an AA FB is taken in the first round i'd reckon...anyone feel free to correct me if i'm incorrect, I don't have time to look it up atm @ work
Might be able to add an AA back pocket soon too who was also picked number 11 - Beau waters

Only 2 trades - Chick and stenglein
Only 2 round 4 picks - Embley and Selwood

[Lynch takes a mark]

posted this on SS a few weeks back

didn't include 2001 as I feel 2002 is the time when Whoosh had the first crack at running the place.

Since 2002

That have played
Staker - Almost there
Selwood - Premiership player, Tagger/HBF
Johnson - Ruck/forward - bit of a dud but i like the look of him
Waters - Best 18
Butler - Injured - Premiership midfielder
Mcconnel - Traded - dud
Rosa - in the 23 at worst
LeCras - Getting better playing a few games
Morton - constant injuries but is now in the squad and doing nicely
Hurn - Manchild and has cemented himself in the backline
Brown - doing well, needs a preseason but is presenting well as a big body CHF

Yet to debut
McKinley - OP last season
Spangher - injured constantly

1st year players yet to debut
Mackenzie - good depth of talls in defence is keeping him out but doing well in the WAFL
Houlihan - Athlete but is improving a lot in the WAFL, really skinny though.
Schofield - Athletic defender who is a great spoiler - similar to glass and is doing really well in the wafl but way to skinny for AFL this season
Thompson - made his WAFL seniors debut, really athletic but is a local project player

Rookies who were elevated
Armstrong
Brett Jones
Matt Priddis
Nicoski
Jaymie Graham

Trades
Tyson Stenglein
Daniel Chick

Delisted/Traded
Daniel McConnell - always injured and an ok flanker (similar to McPhee)
Paul Johnson - hasn't made it yet but is improving.
Brad Smith


In - 25
Out - 2

19 - have played
7 - Premiership players
1 - Delisted
2 - traded

I think I missed a couple

[lyall]

I like the fact that we have never looked at picking up recycled players. Chick and Stenglein have both come to us still at the top of their games.

Our drafting has always been good. Love watching the new boys debut

[Keyser Soze]

^^^ To an extent Freo have gone the other way :

Farmer
H Black
Tarrant
Solomon
J Carr
M Carr
Cook
Bell
Headland
McPharlin

Ten players recruited from other AFL clubs (although to be fair Bell and Black were both originally picked up by Freo before they went away and came back again).

[shoe]

In - 25
Out - 2

19 - have played
7 - Premiership players
1 - Delisted
2 - traded


That is an awesome statistic. You would struggle to find another club that has delisted so few of their draftees.
These are really the standout pickups - really speaks to our excellent late round drafting:
37 Adam Selwood 2002 53 4
29 Ashley Hansen 2001 38 3
32 Andrew Embley 1998 57 4
10 Michael Braun 1996 53 3

Also - my WCE poster says Cuz was drafted in 95, not 96.

I was thinking the other day that Freo might have a bit of a culture problem because so much of their player base are trades.. their culture has sorta been cobbled together from bits and pieces of other clubs, whereas you'd think the playing group would have more love for each other if they grew up training together? Just a thought.

[sydney eagle]

Oddly enough when we HAVE taken tall players early (Michael Gardiner in 1996, Brandon Hill in 1997, Andrew McDougall in 2000 and Paul Johnson in 2002) they have tended to dissapoint. The exception here ,of course, is Darren Glass ! Taken pick 11 in 1999 and currently the All Australian fullback !

[FiveStrings]

Oddly enough when we HAVE taken tall players early (Michael Gardiner in 1996, Brandon Hill in 1997, Andrew McDougall in 2000 and Paul Johnson in 2002) they have tended to dissapoint. The exception here ,of course, is Darren Glass ! Taken pick 11 in 1999 and currently the All Australian fullback !

A little harsh on Gardiner, he was an All-Australian ruckman before he went off the rails and before his body gave up on him.

[Lynch takes a mark]

A little harsh on Gardiner, he was an All-Australian ruckman before he went off the rails and before his body gave up on him.

he was an AA bench player

Goodes was the AA ruck in 2003

[Quinz]

Chris Judd 2001 3
Ashley Sampi 2001 6
Beau Waters 2003 11
Darren Glass 1999 11
Shannon Hurn 2005 13
Mitch Brown 2006 16
Daniel Kerr 200 18
Sam Buter 2003 20
Mark Seaby 2001 22
Ben McKinley 2005 27
Rowan Jones 1997 28
Adam Hunter 1999 29
Eric McKenzie 2006 29
Matthew Rosa 2004 29
Matthew Spangher 2005 34
Mark LeCras 2004 37
Brent Staker 2002 37
Ashley Hansen 2001 38
Tim Houlihan 2006 43
Will Schofield 2006 50
Michael Braun 1996 53
Adam Selwood 2002 53
Andrew Embley 1998 57
James Thomson 2006 80

Mark Nicoski 2003 Rookie
Chad Fletcher 1998 Rookie
Matthew Priddis 2006 Rookie
Dean Cox 2000 Rookie
Quentin Lynch 2002 Rookie
Jamie Graham 2005 Rookie
Steven Armstrong 2005 Rookie
Brett Jones 2004 Rookie

Tyson Stenglein Trade
Daniel Chick Trade
Mitchell Morton 2004 F/S
Ben Cousins 1996 F/S
David Wirrpanda 1996 Comp
Joshua Wooden 1996 Comp


Bolded are what I consider our top 25 players at the moment.

Some very good early picks in Judd and Glass who are stars. Waters and Hurn have come along really well and are still very young, and Kerr at 18 is a very good pick up as well.

But we have picked up some quality players later on in the draft, picks like Hunter at 29, Hansen at 38, Braun and Selwood at 53 and Embley at 57. It shows that you don't need priority picks to create a good team. In fact Sampi is our only priority pick on the list, and he isn't in our best 25 currently.

It's easy to pick up on the quality of players like Judd early in the draft, but our rookie list drafting has also been the best in the AFL. Coxy as the premier ruckman, Nicoski and BJones as outstanding running defenders, Fletcher and Priddis as quality midfielders and a good forward in Lynch. No other club can match picking up these calibre of players in the rookie list, and it has been a big part of our success.

We've also kept the majority of our drafted players, and the ones we have let go have netted us some good trades and picks, in Stenglien and Chick.

Best drafting team in the league and it's a major part of out success. The stunning part is the young ages of a lot of these players, from Judd and Kerr, to Rosa, Waters and Hurn we have a supreme young list that will hold us in good stead for a long time to come. We're not ageing and looking at snaring another flag before we drop off, we haven't even reached our potential yet. Scary stuff.

[Goldenblue]

really speaks to our excellent late round drafting:


Our best late round drafting would have to be in the early nineties.

Brett Heady 89
Dean Kemp 117

We did well taking such brilliant players under the Vic's noses. :thumbsu:

[jod23]

I like the fact that we have never looked at picking up recycled players. Chick and Stenglein have both come to us still at the top of their games.

Our drafting has always been good. Love watching the new boys debut

That was our mistake in the dark years. Prior?? Merenda?? R.Taylor?? T.Carroll?? Bad decisions. Thank god for Woosha.

[larrikin]

Our best late round drafting would have to be in the early nineties.

Brett Heady 89
Dean Kemp 117

We did well taking such brilliant players under the Vic's noses. :thumbsu:
There was one deeper than that wasn't there?

McIntosh maybe?

[Mr Q]

There was one deeper than that wasn't there?

McIntosh maybe?

Brayden Lyle - 124 in 1994. Highest ever draft pick - played 26 games for us, then 90 for Port. Was the guy who wore number 9 before Cousins.

[Mr Q]

That was our mistake in the dark years. Prior?? Merenda?? R.Taylor?? T.Carroll?? Bad decisions. Thank god for Woosha.

Prior was useless with us, Merenda would have been useful if he'd managed to stay uninjured (not that we didn't know that risk in advance), Taylor was OK, and Carroll was a scapegoat who wasn't as bad as he was often made out to be, especially for a latish pick. We could add Sierakowski and Harding, neither of which did anything much, and even perhaps Collica.

Here's my review of the Eagles' past drafts and trades: http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/news/news.php?id=408

[sydney eagle]

A little harsh on Gardiner, he was an All-Australian ruckman before he went off the rails and before his body gave up on him. Well, yes, I was a little harsh. But Gardiner has been a big disappointment after such a bright start to his career. Mainly caused by injury and his own foolishness.

[sydney eagle]

Prior was useless with us, Merenda would have been useful if he'd managed to stay uninjured (not that we didn't know that risk in advance), Taylor was OK, and Carroll was a scapegoat who wasn't as bad as he was often made out to be, especially for a latish pick. We could add Sierakowski and Harding, neither of which did anything much, and even perhaps Collica.

Here's my review of the Eagles' past drafts and trades: http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/news/news.php?id=408
Prior and Sierakowski both had a history of injuries before they ever joined the Eagles and were speculative picks that didn't come off. Did Merenda have a history of injuries before joining the Eagles or was he just unlucky while AT the Eagles ?

[larrikin]

Prior and Sierakowski both had a history of injuries before they ever joined the Eagles and were speculative picks that didn't come off. Did Merenda have a history of injuries before joining the Eagles or was he just unlucky while AT the Eagles ?
Had a shocking run at Richmond. He was a true punt - if he'd come off he could've been anything, but there's always a reason other clubs let people go cheaply.....

[shoe]

Our best late round drafting would have to be in the early nineties.

Brett Heady 89
Dean Kemp 117

We did well taking such brilliant players under the Vic's noses. :thumbsu:
Wow, never knew those guys were picked up so late. That is unreal..

[shoe]

There was one deeper than that wasn't there?

McIntosh maybe?
Yep, according to that article by Mr Q on EFH
112. Ashley McIntosh (Claremont)

wow.

[Black JuJu]

McIntosh was a father son pick up though wasn't he?

[sydney eagle]

McIntosh was a father son pick up though wasn't he? Ashley is quoted as both "f/s" (father/son) and pick 112 in my "AFL Record Guide To Season 2007"

[Black Ball]

I've been wanting to do this for a while, because I always suspected we've done quite well at the draft with mid-range picks as well as rookies. Decided to deveote some time to it so here we go

# Name Year Pick Rd
1 Mitch Brown 2006 16 1
2 Mark LeCras 2004 37 3
3 Chris Judd 2001 3 1
4 Daniel Kerr 200 18 2
5 Tyson Stenglein Trade
6 Mark Nicoski 2003 Rookie
7 Chad Fletcher 1998 Rookie
8 Beau Waters 2003 11 1
9 Ben Cousins 1996 F/S
10 Michael Braun 1996 53 3
11 Matthew Priddis 2006 Rookie
12 Mitchell Morton 2004 F/S
13 Joshua Wooden 1996 Comp
14 Mark Seaby 2001 22 2
16 Eric McKenzie 2006 29 2
17 Daniel Chick Trade
18 Rowan Jones 1997 28 2
19 Tim Houlihan 2006 43 3
20 Dean Cox 2000 Rookie
21 Quentin Lynch 2002 Rookie
22 Jamie Graham 2005 Rookie
23 Darren Glass 1999 11 1
24 Matthew Rosa 2004 29 2
25 Shannon Hurn 2005 13 1
26 Sam Buter 2003 20 2
27 Ben McKinley 2005 27 2
28 Ashley Sampi 2001 6 1
29 Ashley Hansen 2001 38 3
30 Matthew Spangher 2005 34 2
31 Will Schofield 2006 50 3
32 Andrew Embley 1998 57 4
33 James Thomson 2006 80 5
35 Steven Armstrong 2005 Rookie
37 Adam Selwood 2002 4 53
38 Brett Jones 2004 Rookie
39 Adam Hunter 1999 29 2
41 Brent Staker 2002 37 3
44 David Wirrpanda 1996 Comp

Somewhat selective?

[Scotland]

Somewhat selective?

Anyone else currently on the list that should have been included?

[larrikin]

Somewhat selective?
Huh?

[Mr Q]

Ashley is quoted as both "f/s" (father/son) and pick 112 in my "AFL Record Guide To Season 2007"

I think at that point in time, father/son selections were nominally a club's last pick in the draft (like they've nominally been a third round pick in recent seasons, ie Mitch Morton was pick 44). McIntosh was a F/S selection.

[Black Ball]

Huh?

I would've thought that a Draft History Analysis would be more encompassing not just a selective process picking out all the good picks.
After all, there has been more than several who haven't made it just like there is at all Clubs.

[Keyser Soze]

I would've thought that a Draft History Analysis would be more encompassing not just a selective process picking out all the good picks.
After all, there has been more than several who haven't made it just like there is at all Clubs.


Or maybe it could just be an analysis of how the players currently on our senior list were acquired by the club.

Which is how the list was derived.

[Scotland]

I would've thought that a Draft History Analysis would be more encompassing not just a selective process picking out all the good picks.
After all, there has been more than several who haven't made it just like there is at all Clubs.

The article that Mr Q prepared (the link to efh) has the draft/trade history of the club for every season.

The list that larrikin compiled is a summary of how each player currently on the list came to be there.

[OLDEP]

All in all, we have done quite well....but...

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little bit, we took Rojo over Simon Black. Regardless of your opinions or Rojo, surely noone is naive enough to say that was a victory.

[Embers]

All in all, we have done quite well....but...

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little bit, we took Rojo over Simon Black. Regardless of your opinions or Rojo, surely noone is naive enough to say that was a victory.

The one that makes me throw up the most is missing out on Chad Cornes. He was all but ours. On draft day we were 100% sure he would end up at our pick 10. Port with I think pick 8 snatched him from under us. Club was absolutely shocked and scrambled around. THink we ended up with Jaxon Crabb instead :thumbsd:. Imagine if we had Chad Cornes

[FiveStrings]

All in all, we have done quite well....but...

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little bit, we took Rojo over Simon Black. Regardless of your opinions or Rojo, surely noone is naive enough to say that was a victory.

Goodes and Scarlett were also available at that pick. Still, that's always going to happen, recruiting isn't a perfect science and hindsight is 20/20.

That wasn't a great draft for us:
- Jaxon Crabb (12)
- Callum Chambers (13)
- Rowan (28)
- Andrew Williams (34)
- David Antonowicz (44)
- Phil Read (60).

Mind you, apart from Black, Goodes and Nick Stevens there wasn't much quality around by the time we had our first pick.

[Ted38]

All in all, we have done quite well....but...

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little bit, we took Rojo over Simon Black. Regardless of your opinions or Rojo, surely noone is naive enough to say that was a victory.

If that made you vomit in your mouth try this, the reason they didn't take Black was that he was considered to be too much of an outside player and lacked pace. Guess what? the recruiting staff that thought that are still at the club today!

[Mr Q]

All in all, we have done quite well....but...

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little bit, we took Rojo over Simon Black. Regardless of your opinions or Rojo, surely noone is naive enough to say that was a victory.

Reading your posts often make me vomit a little bit in my mouth.... OK, so he's not Simon Black, but a 150 game player at 28 in the draft isn't exactly a loss is it?

[Scotland]

Reading your posts often make me vomit a little bit in my mouth.... OK, so he's not Simon Black, but a 150 game player at 28 in the draft isn't exactly a loss is it?

Perhaps we should have chosen one of the 11 chosen before him that are no longer playing AFL football?

[DIG]

How many of your mid round/late round/rookie successes are from WA vs other states?

[Biggie]

Would have recruiting Bartel instead of Sampi made us a better side these past few years? Excluding this standout year Jimmy is having.

[hype]

nothing we could do about bartel. It happens. Some players just mature slower or don't do as well in draft camps. But, no I think its a big loss to have sampi over bartel. Sampi was on the verge of having any hope of an AFL career thrown out the window early this year. Whereas bartel looks like a player who can play another 7 seasons easily.

But just pointing out losing bartel is ridiculous.. we lost a lot of other great players. Dal santo being my favorite.

[Biggie]

S.Black is another.