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Just wondering why Tivendale wasn't out there for the Tigers on th weekend. Did a search on Tivendale in the Richmond forum, to see if there was any talk, to which I read a whole heap of bagging, saying he is no good. Now I don't watch him week in week out, but I do see probably 1 in 4 games, and it seems in those ones he does alright, because I am yet to see enough visual evidence that Tivvers is no good.
I have him in my Superleague side, that is the only reason why I was wondering, and despite what Richmond supporters think, Tivendale goes ok, in my Superleague side, that would make mince meat out of the Richmond side, and Richmond can't fit him in, and he is in my top 10, sitting 8th, scoring 86.7 points on average, which isn't top line, but it isn't the dud the supporters keep going on about. Yeah stats aren't everything, but out of the side all together mmm, I don't get it:rolleyes:
itsintheblood
13 Jun 2007, 21:39
out for family reasons
Goldust
13 Jun 2007, 21:44
out for family reasons
What.....his family likes him?:D
He goes okay....just long been the whipping boy for disgruntled Tigers supporters.
Wally Matera
13 Jun 2007, 21:48
What.....his family likes him?:D
He goes okay....just long been the whipping boy for disgruntled Tigers supporters.
What's demoralising is that in years gone by, Tivvo has been my whipping boy and the first one l'd like to see gone. Now, things havent changed too much because he still frustrates the hell out of me, but there are now about 8-9 guys who l want gone before him.
:(
Goldust
13 Jun 2007, 21:56
What's demoralising is that in years gone by, Tivvo has been my whipping boy and the first one l'd like to see gone. Now, things havent changed too much because he still frustrates the hell out of me, but there are now about 8-9 guys who l want gone before him.
:(
You got it, Wally. A sad but true state of affairs...the guy simply commands a game these days as we have far worse players out there battling for a kick!
jimmy15_
13 Jun 2007, 23:08
his wife had a baby
polakthetiger
13 Jun 2007, 23:48
his wife had a baby
was it a boy:eek:
RichosGuns
13 Jun 2007, 23:50
was it a boy:eek:
Father/Son rule doesn't been jack these days so don't get too excited/dissapointed
Truetiger
14 Jun 2007, 10:05
out for family reasons
He wont be able to use that one when delisted at the end of the year :)
Tiva should not be allowed to short pass , handball , run more than 8 metres , or bounce the footy ever!!!
How many times has this happened
Tiva breaks free richo is 80 metres away
Richo makes a great lead
Tivendale PUTS HIS HEAD DOWN AND HAS A BOUNCE,TIVA AVOIDS A TACKLER.... Richo is now standing next to tivendale furious after making 542 leads... Tivendale winds up on his trusty left and kicks it directly to richos opponent whose gasping for air inside the richmond forward 50!
RECORDS!
14 Jun 2007, 13:23
You got it, Wally. A sad but true state of affairs...the guy simply commands a game these days as we have far worse players out there battling for a kick!
What do you mean 'these days', Goldy. Tiv has been in our best 15 players for his whole career. He has also been the whipping boy all of this time due to the 'Mark Waugh' syndrome - he always looks like he should be doing more. But I can tell you that there is nobody on our list who prepares themselves better for AFL football than Tiv. If all of our players had his work ethic we would be a lot better team. His self confidence is his biggest problem.
Tiva should not be allowed to short pass , handball , run more than 8 metres , or bounce the footy ever!!!
How many times has this happened
Tiva breaks free richo is 80 metres away
Richo makes a great lead
Tivendale PUTS HIS HEAD DOWN AND HAS A BOUNCE,TIVA AVOIDS A TACKLER.... Richo is now standing next to tivendale furious after making 542 leads... Tivendale winds up on his trusty left and kicks it directly to richos opponent whose gasping for air inside the richmond forward 50!
When you perform a clanger, or do the things youy suggest he does, then his points would be down in his Champion Data scores, to which they are not. In conclusion, if any player is not in the top 20 of the league, which Tivendale is not, they have faults, every one of them.
What I have found from Greg that he consistently gets the scores I am happy with. However, I have Matthew Egan for Geelong, great last week with 151, then crap with 14, or something ridiculous like that. I have Damon White, who the week before that got 23, but th week before that got 171, both the Davey boys I have in my side, and they have got as low as 29, yet score over a 100 points, especially if I leave them out, to which I must contemplate with Alwyn this weekend. Croad is up and down, Dale Morris, David Mundy, Corey Jones and Martin Mattner all are guilty of the same inconsistency at times. Greg is more stable, more reliable, although the others have more natural talent, and can turn it on, when the feeling is right, Greg is what someone else said, a tireless worker, who was a dedicated Collingwood supporter all his life, and was picked up by Richmond. Collingwood, especially in his early days, showed interest, but Greg is a very loyal person, and it just irks me to see these ungratful Tiger fans, bagging one of the better things going for them.
BrissyTiger
14 Jun 2007, 13:51
With a better footy brain Tiv could be anything.
He is a wonderful left foot kick when his confidence is up.
What do you mean 'these days', Goldy. Tiv has been in our best 15 players for his whole career. He has also been the whipping boy all of this time due to the 'Mark Waugh' syndrome - he always looks like he should be doing more. But I can tell you that there is nobody on our list who prepares themselves better for AFL football than Tiv. If all of our players had his work ethic we would be a lot better team. His self confidence is his biggest problem.
Agreed 100%
And the key line is: "he always looks like he should be doing more"
Kyusss=Knobhead
Goldust
14 Jun 2007, 15:38
What do you mean 'these days', Goldy. Tiv has been in our best 15 players for his whole career. He has also been the whipping boy all of this time due to the 'Mark Waugh' syndrome - he always looks like he should be doing more. But I can tell you that there is nobody on our list who prepares themselves better for AFL football than Tiv. If all of our players had his work ethic we would be a lot better team. His self confidence is his biggest problem.
Well maybe shouldn't have used 'these days". Maybe more a reference to him being most people's scapegoat...and worsening.
To be truthful, I've never had any issue with him getting a game. Contrary to what many think, he wouldn't have survived this long if he didn't have some semblance of ability. His work ethic...as you point out ...puts most others in our team to shame. The disposal is questionable, but name we one guy in this current line-up you could deem skillful. Your Bowdens and Deledios turn it over just as much!
Roger Dodger
14 Jun 2007, 16:33
Just wondering why Tivendale wasn't out there for the Tigers on th weekend. Did a search on Tivendale in the Richmond forum, to see if there was any talk, to which I read a whole heap of bagging, saying he is no good. Now I don't watch him week in week out, but I do see probably 1 in 4 games, and it seems in those ones he does alright, because I am yet to see enough visual evidence that Tivvers is no good.
I have him in my Superleague side, that is the only reason why I was wondering, and despite what Richmond supporters think, Tivendale goes ok, in my Superleague side, that would make mince meat out of the Richmond side, and Richmond can't fit him in, and he is in my top 10, sitting 8th, scoring 86.7 points on average, which isn't top line, but it isn't the dud the supporters keep going on about. Yeah stats aren't everything, but out of the side all together mmm, I don't get it:rolleyes:
What's the "A" for? Airhead. Go back to your fantasy league moron. Can't wait till we play your mob again. Only way you'll win is if Tivendale is in our side.
the day this dud is nowhere to be seen is the day richmond fc finally arrives back to where it should be - success
for a guy who is a receiver and doesnt get tagged his stats are pathetic, foley and deledio are getting the main attention and are still making him look 2nd rate
he is a trier and i give him credit for that but just not good enough
simple!
BrissyTiger
14 Jun 2007, 16:54
the day this dud is nowhere to be seen is the day richmond fc finally arrives back to where it should be - success
for a guy who is a receiver and doesnt get tagged his stats are pathetic, foley and deledio are getting the main attention and are still making him look 2nd rate
he is a trier and i give him credit for that but just not good enough
simple!
Very true. He is from an era that we are trying to leave behind.
I cop it left, right and centre about Deledio being overrated, but get 2 senior class mids into our side and suddenly you can't tag everyone. It frees Lids up to cut loose.
I just keep waiting for him to take a game apart, he has threatened....
Tivendale's career is summed up by the 'dropping the ball' decision against Brisbane in the last 40 seconds.
crashandbashruckmen
14 Jun 2007, 17:55
poor player
Coughlan
14 Jun 2007, 19:21
The sooner we lose him the better, we will get nowhere with him, yet some of the people on this board don't seem to understand it.
Rayzorwire
14 Jun 2007, 22:26
With the physique he has, Tivendale should be a weapon in the midfield. The bloke has legs like tree trunks and very good upper body strength, but he has no mongrel or aggression whatsoever. No will to rip someone's arm out of the socket because he refuses to be held in a tackle...it's like he's out there with an aim to be held tightly by strong men as often as possible (not a shot at his sexuality despite how it may look). Look at Foley...he just refuses to be caught in a tackle, and if he is, he's already 5 secs ahead on someone to give it to. Tivendale just doesn't have the same never say die attitude, or the smarts and awareness Foley does. Tivendale's own tackles are the supreme example of a useless stat - he never nails anyone and seldom causes a spillage or turnover.
Tivendale has a very good, penetrating strong left foot, but the lack of intelligence in refining it to his and our advantage is obvious. Bullet passes at the ankles of forwards or straight over their heads instead of well weighted balls which allow a margin of error at both ends...overcooked, slow runs to nowhere, all too often caught to the point of holding the ball in a tackle because he can never be smart enough to just squeeze out a kick under pressure, and he is typically a lousy set shot compared to when he's on the run...i.e. yet another senior midfielder with one-dimensional and all too rare goalkicking ability.
I'd much rather see a kid getting half his possessions - and learning from them - than watch Tivendale going up and down in the same spot for another season or two. We played the toughest away ground of all last week, where senior midfielders who can run all game are essential, yet we really didn't miss him one iota.
He's not going to be part of our finals plans...let's get a smart young player with the right competitive attitude in his position and let him grow to realms Tivendale doesn't even know exist.
We have almost half a dozen youngsters that potentially fit the bill.
CoggaRules
14 Jun 2007, 22:58
Well maybe shouldn't have used 'these days". Maybe more a reference to him being most people's scapegoat...and worsening.
To be truthful, I've never had any issue with him getting a game. Contrary to what many think, he wouldn't have survived this long if he didn't have some semblance of ability. His work ethic...as you point out ...puts most others in our team to shame. The disposal is questionable, but name we one guy in this current line-up you could deem skillful. Your Bowdens and Deledios turn it over just as much!
hey goldie dude....still owe you a pint dude.
IMO...tiv is a perfect 4 games a year player, when the shit hits the fan. RIght now he is a player that shit when the shit is hittinf the fan.
I am pretty certain that the only thing that keeps him at tigerland is that he is pretty much a reincarnation of an Eagleton, and history suggests, that TW wants at least one Eagelton in a TW side and will move heaven and earth to get him.
Its either that or TW knows that alot of tigerheads think like yourself and he can play a dud in the side with minimal angst, and not have to deflect questions on why we tanked games for numer 1 draft pick;)
lookkg386
16 Jun 2007, 11:59
Under no pressure he is a top kick, pity in todays game it's always under pressure.
Rancid_Beasties
16 Jun 2007, 14:31
So frustrating. A guy of his size and strength, with his kicking ability and pretty good pace should be dominating in the middle.
Instead All our under 21's are thrown to the wolves in the midfield while tivendale hangs off the packs for cheap possies.
Yeah supercoach stats really tell the whole story...
Tivendale gets many tagging roles, unlike Johno who is our other stopper at least Tivendale gets some possies...
Had we recruited well ie Like the running players Hawks have chosen (Gilham, Sewell, Lewis) we chose (Oakleigh-Nicols, Meyer, Patterson...) Then we would not have had to rely on so few to do the work but it would have been shared around more so. Then players like Tivendale, Hyde would not have had the expectation some of you put on them.
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 13:22
Tivendale gets many tagging roles, unlike Johno who is our other stopper at least Tivendale gets some possies...
Yeah and the opposition always ends up with the ball
What's the "A" for? Airhead. Go back to your fantasy league moron. Can't wait till we play your mob again. Only way you'll win is if Tivendale is in our side.
Do you feel better now. If so I am glad I could be of some assistence to you. If not, and that is what I reckon the true answer is, perhaps you need to get a punching bag, and maybe take some frustrations out on it. I can't wait to play your guys either, it is one of the easiest games on our calendar. Yes I will go back to my Fantasy League, because it is something I enjoy. Airhead and Moron, are a result of your insecurities, and because I am not qualified, I can't help you with them. Yellow pages perhaps.
This exercise confirms to me, that the stereo type, that Richmond supporters are the worst in the league at bagging their players. Tivendale is in that side because the coaches that have coached him, thinks he is a good player that deservedly is 11th best player at Richmond, but you guys no better. Everyone who had negative feedback to the enquiry knows deep down that their knowledge in the subject is no where near the knowledge and confidence in Tivendale the club has. Your arguement is fatally floored the club likes him, and you are a armchair supporter who knows very little.:eek:
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 21:21
This exercise confirms to me, that the stereo type, that Richmond supporters are the worst in the league at bagging their players. Tivendale is in that side because the coaches that have coached him, thinks he is a good player that deservedly is 11th best player at Richmond, but you guys no better. Everyone who had negative feedback to the enquiry knows deep down that their knowledge in the subject is no where near the knowledge and confidence in Tivendale the club has. Your arguement is fatally floored the club likes him, and you are a armchair supporter who knows very little.:eek:
Pissoff you toothless idiot, you don't judge a player based on their fantasy footy ratings:rolleyes:
He shouldn't be in our side because he has no future with us an shows no leadership to our younger players;)
Yeah and the opposition always ends up with the ball
Not any worse than others in the team
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 21:32
Not any worse than others in the team
He is a senior player, how many years does it take to learn?
Airhead and Moron, are a result of your insecurities, and because I am not qualified, I can't help you with them. Yellow pages perhaps.
=oxymoron
He is a senior player, how many years does it take to learn?
Learn what? He is one of our better performing players.
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 22:47
Learn what? He is one of our better performing players.
Learn what, to change since he has been making the same mistakes every match for years.
What team do you watch.
Learn what, to change since he has been making the same mistakes every match for years.
What team do you watch.
Mistakes that others in the team also make?
Madtiger2006
17 Jun 2007, 23:07
=oxymoron
oxx ye moron
hehehehehehe :o
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 23:08
Mistakes that others in the team also make?
How dense are you, he has been making the same mistakes for years and never learns, he should be setting an example to the younger players, he doesn't, other players that do it have the fact they are young on their side, and haven't been doing it week in week out for years.
Get it yet?
Madtiger2006
17 Jun 2007, 23:10
I like tivva. Most of his kicking turnovers are due to him trying to kick grass cutters. Sometimes he gets a bit over confident with his kicking. Much better player than Johnson, even though he is crap in congestion
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 23:16
I like tivva. Most of his kicking turnovers are due to him trying to kick grass cutters.
Either that or he runs to far, been doing it he's whole career, you would think he would have changed by now but he hasn't, so get rid of him, he is a liabilty when he does it non stop, he should be showing the kids what to do, instead he is a selfish player.
crashandbashruckmen
17 Jun 2007, 23:18
Either that or he runs to far, been doing it he's whole career, you would think he would have changed by now but he hasn't, so get rid of him, he is a liabilty when he does it non stop, he should be showing the kids what to do, instead he is a selfish player.
yep. Tiva is a dud.
Madtiger2006
17 Jun 2007, 23:21
Either that or he runs to far, been doing it he's whole career, you would think he would have changed by now but he hasn't, so get rid of him, he is a liabilty when he does it non stop, he should be showing the kids what to do, instead he is a selfish player.
yeah but he is still more value than Johnson, Kingsley, Krakouer, P Bowden and others
Coughlan
17 Jun 2007, 23:22
yeah but he is still more value than Johsnon, Kingsley, Krakouer, P Bowden and others
Their as bad as each other, at least Johnson demonstrates team ethos, if nothing else
crashandbashruckmen
17 Jun 2007, 23:23
Their as bad as each other, at least Johnson demonstrates team ethos, if nothing else
all are duds
How dense are you, he has been making the same mistakes for years and never learns, he should be setting an example to the younger players, he doesn't, other players that do it have the fact they are young on their side, and haven't been doing it week in week out for years.
Get it yet?
Noo, in his early years Tivendale was too much of an outside player, you can say soft, but he didnt turn over the ball. You must be one of those blind groupies...
And that allergy towards Tivendale. Tell you what, take two chill pills
and have a lie down ;)
yeah but he is still more value than Johnson, Kingsley, Krakouer, P Bowden and others
Johnson - Should not be getting tagging roles. Let him play midfield, its what he did best at Adelaide. If an opposition player needs to be tagged, then use a tagger.
Kingsley - Not is RFC's future... Like Shulz is finding it difficult to get some consistency up foward in Richos presence.
Krakouer - Has shown brilliance, but it's so rare it's frustrating. Freo will take the bait. But I have a feeling he can work well with Peterson.
PBowden - Had a good year 2006, yet always has the finger pointed at him. Unlucky that he has been injured most year.
Others - Knobel, Hall?
Noo, in his early years Tivendale was too much of an outside player,
I my early years I could go for a week without sleep.......
I my early years I could go for a week without sleep.......
Thats ok, give it a few more years and you will be nodding off at different times of the day...
on ya greg!
krak bog last week and yourself today it seems you kids have found your level so long may vfl careers continue!
if not, then i'll enjoy watching you run around for richmond in years to come and long may plenty of seasons like this year be dead by round 5 in the name of past richmond tradition
greg tivendale!
my hero!
crashandbashruckmen
18 Jun 2007, 00:29
on ya greg!
krak bog last week and yourself today it seems you kids have found your level so long may vfl careers continue!
if not, then i'll enjoy watching you run around for richmond in years to come and long may plenty of seasons like this year be dead by round 5 in the name of past richmond tradition
greg tivendale!
my hero!
nah tivs krak = gawn ;)
Thats ok, give it a few more years and you will be nodding off at different times of the day...
u mean,like Tivendale does now...?:rolleyes:
tigirlpower
18 Jun 2007, 12:13
Some tiger supporters are extreme and irrational when it comes to Greg Tivendale, and they are so boring with their extreme and repetitive put-downs.
These same people also happen to be the dumbest and most blind when it comes to other topics, and have a very simple and blinkered view of football.
Stupidity, and despising Tivendale, go hand in hand.
deliberate!!
18 Jun 2007, 13:00
Some tiger supporters are extreme and irrational when it comes to Greg Tivendale, and they are so boring with their extreme and repetitive put-downs. Only boring to you, who just don't get it!!
These same people also happen to be the dumbest and most blind when it comes to other topics (which topics? supply some facts.), and have a very simple and blinkered view of football.
Unlike your own very simple view that Tivenfail is alright!
Stupidity, and despising Tivendale, go hand in hand.
Reality, and actually watching Tivendale play, go hand in hand with knowing
that he has hurt us more than helped us.
Open your eyes....
:thumbsd:
Truetiger
18 Jun 2007, 13:32
Big deal he won the game for coburg yesturday and kicked 4 goals in a 1/2 for the VFL he has gotta go same with Krakouer.
Coughlan
18 Jun 2007, 15:55
Some tiger supporters are extreme and irrational when it comes to Greg Tivendale, and they are so boring with their extreme and repetitive put-downs.
These same people also happen to be the dumbest and most blind when it comes to other topics, and have a very simple and blinkered view of football.
Stupidity, and despising Tivendale, go hand in hand.
Really in my experience, the ones who advocate he's inclusion have NFI, has no future with us, and is crap, why would we play somebody like that.
Some people don't seem to learn from past mistakes do they?
Terry Tan
18 Jun 2007, 23:08
he's a soft outside player with no balls or footy smarts. enough said about this hack who should have been gawn 5 years ago.