View Full Version : Brown and Simmonds both NOT named for coburg.
Brooksy88
14 Jun 2007, 22:05
Coburg Tigers vs. Frankston
Sunday 17th June
Coburg City Oval at 2:00 PM
Coburg Tigers
B Moore Silvester Hartigan
HB McGuane Graham Neville
C Farrelly N. Caruso Oakley-Nicholls
HF Meyer Schulz Tivendale
F Mullins Riewoldt Carnell
R Ronaldson Shelton Krakouer
Int Gazzo Horne Connors Hill Liddle Anderson F. Caruso Robertson
Frankston
B Roberts Benbow Reddaway
HB Ongarello Pollard Rebeschini
C Marigliani Kennedy Berry
HF Krakouer Dore Morris
F Oliver Whelan Dickson
R Clarke Collins Winterton
Int Burns Magner Kirkwood Stanley Carpenter Conroy Clark Manson
why is this? is it because of the 12/10 rule? could this mean they will be playing ressies? anyone have any idea because i was going to come but now not so sure??
Brown not named because it's only a 5 day break to the Richmond game against Melbourne and they want him to play in that one.
Simmonds, well he's probably not recovered yet (remember the golden rule: double any timeframe that the RFC put on an injury and that's when you'll see the player back [unless it's Richo])
By the way we only have 11 RFC players named so it's not the 12/10 rule stopping either playing.
Brooksy88
14 Jun 2007, 22:10
Brown not named because it's only a 5 day break to the Richmond game against Melbourne and they want him to play in that one.
Simmonds, well he's probably not recovered yet (remember the golden rule: double any timeframe that the RFC put on an injury and that's when you'll see the player back [unless it's Richo])
yeh true about the browny call
just shits me cos they said at the game on the weekend to come this weekend cos brown wld b playing and 'probably' simmo. i will still go but took a little bit of the excitment out of it.
Brooksy88
14 Jun 2007, 22:11
By the way we only have 11 RFC players named so it's not the 12/10 rule stopping either playing.
yeh i noticed but thought maybe it applied for 1sts and 2nds...wasnt sure.
Magic17
14 Jun 2007, 23:07
Both probably still injured.
benny_furs
14 Jun 2007, 23:15
F%$#.
This could be bad :mad::thumbsd:.
Browny spent most of the last quarter on his back with ice on his leg above his head. Now that he's not even named I'm getting nervous.
He is nowhere near fit enough to come back to the AFL without more gametime at Coburg, if he comes back next week don't expect him to do anything except a bit better job than Danny Meyer :(
Why would they announce he is playing for Coburg and then pull him out now? Either he pulled up feeling awesome and is 100% fit or he has full blown stress fractures and is out for the year.
Magic17
15 Jun 2007, 00:06
F%$#.
Browny spent most of the last quarter on his back with ice on his leg above his head. Now that he's not even named I'm getting nervous.
Yep I don't buy the spin either benny.
The week leading up to round 1 is still too fresh in the memory.
I'll hope for the best but if Brown's down, he is finished.
benny_furs
15 Jun 2007, 00:11
I really don't buy the "gotta give him a chance against Melbourne" what BS.
They KNEW there was a 5 day turnaround and said he would play. Now he is not playing. This wasn't planned. Why would you stunt his fitness development (match time) just to give him a "chance" to play?
We know damn well there is absolutely no rush to get him back.
Magic17
15 Jun 2007, 00:19
I really don't buy the "gotta give him a chance against Melbourne" what BS.
Yep surely you'd give him another half of football if he was OK.
Something smells fishy and I don't like it.
does anybody know if he trained this week?
if he didnt then we all know hes gawn
jimmy15_
15 Jun 2007, 01:50
Even the most optimistic would have to have thoughts of bad news running through their minds. Please let nothing else have gone wrong.
Interesting to see that Tivendale was named, would this mean he wont play for Richmond, does it mean that he is just getting a game under his belt as he missed last week due to Family Issues, or has he been given the flick for good.
lookkg386
15 Jun 2007, 06:27
Tivendale will play seniors again, and with Brown spending the last quarter totally iced up on a cold day I am with everyone else - TROUBLE.
Goldust
15 Jun 2007, 09:09
does anybody know if he trained this week?
if he didnt then we all know hes gawn
:)What...we train?
You sure about that?
Skills would indicate we don't practise them and fitness is lacking, evidenced by our failure to run out games!
itsintheblood
15 Jun 2007, 10:33
Tivendale will play seniors again, and with Brown spending the last quarter totally iced up on a cold day I am with everyone else - TROUBLE.
The ice could be part of the rehab program. Kinda like a preventative measure to keep the limb from any potential swelling.
Who knows what the hell is the situation with brown. It's anyone's guess.
astro_toby
15 Jun 2007, 10:53
if they decide to rush browny back for the melbourne game, i will spew
NO WAY is brown 100% ready for afl footy! he needs at least a month at coburg - play it ####ing safe with him! this season is stuffed , so lead him into fitness for 2008!
this means two things for me - 1) that wallace is AGAIN putting himself and his ego before the LONG TERM security of the team, as the fear of going 0-21-1 continues to grow for his ego
2) that browny has had another hiccup, and ala nathan buckley - and we could be back to where we were a 6 weeks ago with him
either one sucks balls to me:o
itsintheblood
15 Jun 2007, 11:00
if they decide to rush browny back for the melbourne game, i will spew
NO WAY is brown 100% ready for afl footy! he needs at least a month at coburg - play it ####ing safe with him! this season is stuffed , so lead him into fitness for 2008!
this means two things for me - 1) that wallace is AGAIN putting himself and his ego before the LONG TERM security of the team, as the fear of going 0-21-1 continues to grow for his ego
2) that browny has had another hiccup, and ala nathan buckley - and we could be back to where we were a 6 weeks ago with him
either one sucks balls to me:o
He was blowing really hard against sandringham. He's no where near fit enough for AFL.
Al Foil
15 Jun 2007, 12:10
Does anyone else think that perhaps some of Browny's problems are more psychological than physical, as in getting over the mental hurdles of his injury, not wanting to go through it again?
I fully understand that Newman's break last year was not as bad, but he's come back without any issues. Michael Voss' break a few years ago was as bad, if not worse than Browny's and he came back much quicker. To be out for so long with a hot-spot just seems a little bizarre given that some other players come back from actual stress fractures quicker than this.
Not saying this is the case, nor am I bagging Browny, I'm just throwing it out there.
I agree with you Magic17, if he's down, he is finished. His career would be just about done.
benny_furs
15 Jun 2007, 13:03
if they decide to rush browny back for the melbourne game, i will spew
NO WAY is brown 100% ready for afl footy! he needs at least a month at coburg - play it ####ing safe with him! this season is stuffed , so lead him into fitness for 2008!
this means two things for me - 1) that wallace is AGAIN putting himself and his ego before the LONG TERM security of the team, as the fear of going 0-21-1 continues to grow for his ego
2) that browny has had another hiccup, and ala nathan buckley - and we could be back to where we were a 6 weeks ago with him
either one sucks balls to me:o
100% agree.
Does anyone else think that perhaps some of Browny's problems are more psychological than physical, as in getting over the mental hurdles of his injury, not wanting to go through it again?
His fitness is still restricting him from being his best too.
He didn't seem to be avoiding contests at Coburg, he went in harder than I ever remembered him actually and looked to be moving freely imo. I'd say he just keeps pulling up sore. We all know they F#$%ed up the surgery and the first-time idiot put in the wrong sized rod. If they had've sent him to a trauma ward apparently he would have come back as fast as Michael Voss but the whispers are that the surgery #### up could be for life.
Before Round 1 we had a couple of different posters claim they have heard he will not be playing a game in 2007 (this was before they dropped him against Carlton) and it is looking pretty accurate now.
If he was actually going to play against the Dees then why would they make a statement with a "but he doesn't have to play in the end" clause. They have already said he might not play and to actually say he might not play is a strong enough sign.. this is doing my head in!
Cmon Browny just play Coburg for a month or even two if you need the fitness - then you can play finals with Riewoldt etc and be fit for 2008-2011!!
He didn't seem to be avoiding contests at Coburg, he went in harder than I ever remembered him actually and looked to be moving freely imo. I'd say he just keeps pulling up sore. We all know they F#$%ed up the surgery and the first-time idiot put in the wrong sized rod. If they had've sent him to a trauma ward apparently he would have come back as fast as Michael Voss but the whispers are that the surgery #### up could be for life.[/LEFT]
wtf???? :eek::eek::eek:
this is the first Ive heard of this!
this is beyond a joke.. Iv just about had it with the RFC and our constant show of gross incompetence and total lack ofprofessionalism in everything right across the board. This is unforgivable
Realistic Tiger
15 Jun 2007, 13:26
I prefer to look at it like this, Brown plays at Coburg to gain fitness which is what most of us are wanting, but the Tigers season is gone so no point bringing him back for say the final 5-6 weeks. May as well play him at Richmond and use him in bursts to get his fitness level up. After all there is nothing he can gain by playing at Coburg thay he con't gain by playing for Richmond. Fair enough if we were fighting for a finals berth it would be great to have Brown get to full fitness at Coburg and comeback for a finals push.
Remember last week Browny was pushing Wallace to take him over to play against Freo, Brown himself would know how fit he was and again if he feels he is fit enough to play 15 minutes a quarter then really what do we have to lose. I know we don't talk about what is said on "Eye of the Tiger" but I thought McRae's comment about Brown was honest enough:
Played his second consecutive game on the comeback trail from his leg injury. He played the majority of three quarters, gaining 12 possessions, with six of those coming in a lively third-quarter display. Finished with two quality goals and looks ready now for a return to AFL level.
I have no reason to doubt what McRea said is accurate as I don't recall him ever throwing out spin like some of the others do.
astro_toby
15 Jun 2007, 15:31
I prefer to look at it like this, Brown plays at Coburg to gain fitness which is what most of us are wanting, but the Tigers season is gone so no point bringing him back for say the final 5-6 weeks. May as well play him at Richmond and use him in bursts to get his fitness level up. After all there is nothing he can gain by playing at Coburg thay he con't gain by playing for Richmond. Fair enough if we were fighting for a finals berth it would be great to have Brown get to full fitness at Coburg and comeback for a finals push.
Remember last week Browny was pushing Wallace to take him over to play against Freo, Brown himself would know how fit he was and again if he feels he is fit enough to play 15 minutes a quarter then really what do we have to lose. I know we don't talk about what is said on "Eye of the Tiger" but I thought McRae's comment about Brown was honest enough:
I have no reason to doubt what McRea said is accurate as I don't recall him ever throwing out spin like some of the others do.
maybe so, but jeez, its a huge risk considering our pointless position on the table - i personally would have felt more comfortable with him having a very gradual climb through coburg - before putting him in the side -for what many believe - is the most physically draining and high impact sport NOT to use protection armour - in the world.
He didn't seem to be avoiding contests at Coburg, he went in harder than I ever remembered him actually and looked to be moving freely imo. I'd say he just keeps pulling up sore. We all know they F#$%ed up the surgery and the first-time idiot put in the wrong sized rod. If they had've sent him to a trauma ward apparently he would have come back as fast as Michael Voss but the whispers are that the surgery #### up could be for life.[/LEFT]
What crap, we don't know that at all, there is just one BigFooty poster that has said that and has got people to bite, it's speculation nothing more. Brown's break was much worst than Voss' who's was pretty much a clean break like Newmans. Brown had all the ligaments and tendons in his leg damaged by what was almost a compound fracture, he's lucky he's not like Snell.
benny_furs
15 Jun 2007, 17:33
Snell did his ankle btw not leg, and posters on PRE and YnB both said the same things, take it however you like I don't believe anything 100% either but it's out there that's all. Browny himself has said he heard whispers around the club that things were much worse than expected and he felt like they were hiding it.
If he plays AFL then he will try harder and push his leg harder than usual. 15 minutes at AFL level is NOT the same as 15 minutes for Coburg.
The gain might be the same fitness wise. But what would he lose?
First of all there is greater risk of pulling up sore. Secondly he will be a shadow of himself which will make fans sad. If he comes back, plays 3 quarters, gets 10 possies and one goal... well it wouldn't exactly be promising would it?
I would prefer he dominates for Coburg then on his first AFL match back he makes a statement to the footy world - the Browny of old is BACK!
thegrach
15 Jun 2007, 17:48
Is there really a greater risk of him injuring himself in comparrison to VFL? Softer, better grounds, better medical staff, better facilities.
I think it would be smarter for him to adjust to the pace of the game by playing the last 10 mins of each quarter for Richmond, than play another couple of weeks at Coburg
benny_furs
15 Jun 2007, 18:05
Is there really a greater risk of him injuring himself in comparrison to VFL? Softer, better grounds, better medical staff, better facilities.
I think it would be smarter for him to adjust to the pace of the game by playing the last 10 mins of each quarter for Richmond, than play another couple of weeks at Coburg
At Coburg it is more laid back, less pressure to perform. At AFL with the crowd screaming he will push his leg harder and the game is much more demanding.
Also he didn't do much for Coburg and looked quite unfit. Logically he'll do even less at AFL level for the first few weeks... I'd like to hide his poor form for a while instead of putting him in the spotlight until he improves later.
Coughlan
15 Jun 2007, 18:31
Interesting to see that Tivendale was named, would this mean he wont play for Richmond, does it mean that he is just getting a game under his belt as he missed last week due to Family Issues, or has he been given the flick for good.
Lets hope he stays their for good:thumbsu:
turtle27
15 Jun 2007, 22:55
Looks like he'll be playing against the Dees, but I guess he was supposed to play Round 1.
Brown could return after break
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Richmond star Nathan Brown will be rested from the VFL this weekend to keep him fresh for what could be a long-awaited AFL comeback against Melbourne on June 22.
Brown, who has returned from injury through the Coburg reserves and then the Coburg senior side in the past two weeks, is yet to play for Richmond in the 2007 home and away season.
He was withdrawn from the Tigers' side before the opening round because of soreness in the leg he broke in a sickening incident more than two years ago.
But Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong said Brown was hopeful of making his return against the Demons in what would be his first senior match since round 17 last season, more than 10 months ago.
"It's all progressing fine and hopefully by next Thursday night he's got through all the training and then it becomes a selection issue," Armstrong said of Brown's recovery.
He said there had been no further pain as a result of Brown playing two matches in the past fortnight.
But the scheduling of Coburg's match on Sunday against Frankston, only five days before Richmond plays Melbourne, prompted the decision to rest him.
"Given that we're being very careful with the way he's come back and given it's a Sunday game, to ask him to back up would be too much, given the amount of time he's had off and he's had only two games," Armstrong said.
"He wants to make himself available for Friday night so he's trained today and he'll train next week in preparation for playing on Friday night."
Richmond have this weekend off because of the AFL's split round.
I prefer to look at it like this, Brown plays at Coburg to gain fitness which is what most of us are wanting, but the Tigers season is gone so no point bringing him back for say the final 5-6 weeks. May as well play him at Richmond and use him in bursts to get his fitness level up. After all there is nothing he can gain by playing at Coburg thay he con't gain by playing for Richmond. Fair enough if we were fighting for a finals berth it would be great to have Brown get to full fitness at Coburg and comeback for a finals push.
I think you have it right realistic, Why honestly would they be saying he is good if he is not good? Its been this long already, i dont know why they would lie about this kinda thing.
Why would they announce he is playing for Coburg and then pull him out now? Either he pulled up feeling awesome and is 100% fit or he has full blown stress fractures and is out for the year.
THEY didn't announce he was playing for Coburg. The Coburg ground announcer who has no connections to Richmond whatsoever said it to try to drum up some business. She had absolutely no say, insight or influence on the decision. She was guessing / reading the papers like everyone else. There is no conspiracy theory here - just one Coburg volunteer guessing.
THEY didn't announce he was playing for Coburg. The Coburg ground announcer who has no connections to Richmond whatsoever said it to try to drum up some business. She had absolutely no say, insight or influence on the decision. She was guessing / reading the papers like everyone else. There is no conspiracy theory here - just one Coburg volunteer guessing.
thanks Mr Greenberg!
i see richmond are "resting" browny and apparently playing him against melbourne my question is are we still gonna be without a ruckman ive noticed at training simmo and knobel have done no running as of a fortnight ago is this still the case ? is knobel or simmo any chance
polakthetiger
16 Jun 2007, 19:43
i see richmond are "resting" browny and apparently playing him against melbourne my question is are we still gonna be without a ruckman ive noticed at training simmo and knobel have done no running as of a fortnight ago is this still the case ? is knobel or simmo any chance
I forgot about the Knob...wasn't he supposed to have been right to run around for Coburg last week??
If they are both still not ready, guess Patto has got another huge job, against White this time. Well, I guess it is good he has over the last couple of months gotten good experience fronting up to all the best ruckmen in the comp. Hopefully in the 2nd half he can take a supporting role and build on what he has learnt!
Magic17
16 Jun 2007, 19:48
By all accounts Brown is still training with the main group so that would knock any relapses squarely on the head at this point.:thumbsu:
By all accounts Brown is still training with the main group so that would knock any relapses squarely on the head at this point.:thumbsu:
good to hear,
cheers :thumbsu:
Brooksy88
17 Jun 2007, 01:31
i say qualify browny for the burger finals :D
seriously tho does anyone know how many games are needed to actually qualify and do reserves games count?
Snell did his ankle btw not leg
Not true, Snell broke his leg at the bottom of the bone near the angle and the bone went down through his ankle and out of his foot into the boot. He eventually needed to have his ankle fused, but it was still a broken leg that caused the damage. Same injury as Brown, just 20cm lower.