View Full Version : Sticks - Remove him from the football department
navier-stokes equation
1 Jul 2007, 13:13
He has been the one constant throughout the last 5 years. He flip flops from one camp to the other and I think his football knowledge is lacking. He should not be on the match committee
Keep him at the club as an ambassador, but please remove him from the football department
The Old Dark Navy's
1 Jul 2007, 13:37
Not sure about the timing of this. What exactly is Sticks doing to affect our onfield performance?
Not sure about the timing of this. What exactly is Sticks doing to affect our onfield performance?
Agree that it is ridiculous to blame Sticks for yesterdays performance, not that the thread starter did this. However, from the evidence presented Sticks has shown an inability to make hard decisions and seems to be to eager to please everyone. I'm not saying he isn't a good person to have around the club, but not in such an important role. Have him as a figurehead rather than a key decision maker.
The Old Dark Navy's
1 Jul 2007, 13:43
Agree that it is ridiculous to blame Sticks for yesterdays performance, not that the thread starter did this. However, from the evidence presented Sticks has shown an inability to make hard decisions and seems to be to eager to please everyone. I'm not saying he isn't a good person to have around the club, but not in such an important role. Have him as a figurehead rather than a key decision maker.Can Sticks fire coaches or just make recommendations to the board? He has a vote in selections I believe but is not the deciding vote or anything.
I think it's a bit of a cop-out to aportion any of the blame to Sticks' role at the club.
The Old Dark Navy's
1 Jul 2007, 13:47
I think the janitor and the tea lady have been there for a while too. Better get rid of them and freshen the place up a bit.
I think the janitor and the tea lady have been there for a while too. Better get rid of them and freshen the place up a bit.
....and some of those property stewards have been there since the '70's. Get rid of them as well.
I think it's a bit of a cop-out to aportion any of the blame to Sticks' role at the club.
Why's that. IThe timing of the thread makes what I'm saying slightly out of context. I'm not saying place any of the blame for yesterdays loss on him nor am I saying anything ridiculous like the whole situation the club is in is his fault. However, he always escapes any criticism for the state of the club, why?, because he's Stephen Kernahan.
A discussion like this is best left to the end of the season anyway so I'll leave it there because I can see where this is going to head.
AndyWalkersGirl
1 Jul 2007, 14:05
I think the janitor and the tea lady have been there for a while too. Better get rid of them and freshen the place up a bit.
Yeah get rid of them. Especially if they are extremely passionate about the Carlton Football Club. Infact, get rid of anyone that is passionate about the place I reckon....:cool:
Why's that. IThe timing of the thread makes what I'm saying slightly out of context. I'm not saying place any of the blame for yesterdays loss on him nor am I saying anything ridiculous like the whole situation the club is in is his fault. However, he always escapes any criticism for the state of the club, why?, because he's Stephen Kernahan.
A discussion like this is best left to the end of the season anyway so I'll leave it there because I can see where this is going to head.
Whilst I can see where you are coming from, Sticks is the link between the Footy Department and the Board. He would communicate to the Board what is happening in the Footy Department, and visa versa.
As for escaping critisism, i'm not so sure about that. He does flip flop, like you said, in the aim to try and please everyone. However, given the current Board, I just don't see why his contribution to the club should be under any more scrutiny than anyone elses.
thylacine60
1 Jul 2007, 14:11
Yeah get rid of them. Especially if they are extremely passionate about the Carlton Football Club. Infact, get rid of anyone that is passionate about the place I reckon....:cool:
I completely agree with AWG. She is 100% correct.
Homer Simpson for Lance
2 Jul 2007, 01:03
I think it's a bit of a cop-out to aportion any of the blame to Sticks' role at the club.
If Sticks is powerful enough to veto Pagan re Zantuck he would more than likely have been involved in the approval of recruitment of the likes of Ackland , Saddington etc etc.
His greatest aceivement has surely been his involvement in luring Richard the great on board.
The board and football dept have acheived very little that is positive in recent years.......but they have NO financial resources at all to work with.
I think the janitor and the tea lady have been there for a while too. Better get rid of them and freshen the place up a bit.
Not the tea lady. :(
She gives me extra tim tams and monte carlos.
BlueWorld
2 Jul 2007, 03:33
Can Sticks fire coaches or just make recommendations to the board? He has a vote in selections I believe but is not the deciding vote or anything.Pratt has said he will leave football decisions to Sticks.
legendtofski
2 Jul 2007, 11:44
I just love how everyone is so quick to BAG ANYONE WHO SCRUTINIZES 'STICKS' AS A FOOTY OPERATIONS MANAGER OR WHATEVER HE EXACTLY DOES.
It's like 'friendly fascism'..I mean this guy sure is one of our greats, but his tenure as one of the off-field leaders hasn't brought success ON THE FIELD.
'Sticks' has been protected while we sit comfortably in the gutter (game wise) and everyone seems to turn a blind eye, coz he 'was one of our greats'.
The best business in footy is WINNING BLOODY GAMES (I mean the Carlton 'name' has been so badly devalued that we don't think of winning flags, just games, anyone go that into their thick skulls that haven't worked since 1995????) Look how quickly supporter came out to support a winning team in the Hawthorn game, just to be shocked back into the cold, ugly reality of how rubbish this team still IS!!
You're all bloody in DENIAL.
Not sure about the timing of this. What exactly is Sticks doing to affect our onfield performance?not alot by the looks of it
Not sure about the timing of this. What exactly is Sticks doing to affect our onfield performance?
i am a big believer that players win/lose games.
coaches play a part and an important part at that, but at the end of the day it is upto the players.
ODN- in saying that isn't sticks the chairman of the match committee and doesn't he have a vote on who is selected week in, week out?
If my assumption is correct then sticks may be part of the problem or he may not.
legendtofski
2 Jul 2007, 16:28
Sticks should too a long hard look at himself in the mirror the next few weeks...and realise that MULLET hasta go amongst other things!
ericpascoe
2 Jul 2007, 16:34
Questioning Kernahan's role at the club is absolutely legitimate.
Through all the stuff ups he is the ONE constant.
He wields extraordinary influence at the club, and is intensely political.
He was instrumental in Silvagni not coming back last year.
I'm not saying anything is his fault, but starting a debate about Sticks' role is totally appropriate, and no-one should have their head bitten off for asking the question
The whole football department, not just Pagan, needs to be sacked immediately. They're amatures trying to compete in a professional, they're completely clueless when it comes to managing young players and how best to fast track them (this is evident to such a degree that we only now recruit determined professional youngsters rather than the most talented. You need to be determined to make it at Carlton because the club sure isn't going to give you any help), they send out injuried players back onto the field even when we're getting thrashed so they can get hurt just that little bit more (not to mention playing already injuried players because we have no faith in the kids and hate giving them real opportunities in the seniors), and our main game day tactic which hasn't changed for five years is play man on man and stick with him at all cost (we've 'won' two spoons, finished 15th, and are likely to finish bottom four yet again during that period. It wouldn't be our inflexible tactics would it?).
AndyWalkersGirl
2 Jul 2007, 16:45
Questioning Kernahan's role at the club is absolutely legitimate.
Through all the stuff ups he is the ONE constant.
He wields extraordinary influence at the club, and is intensely political.
He was instrumental in Silvagni not coming back last year.
I'm not saying anything is his fault, but starting a debate about Sticks' role is totally appropriate, and no-one should have their head bitten off for asking the question
How do you know this?
ericpascoe
2 Jul 2007, 16:51
How do you know this?
I know. Please let's not get into one of these silly "source" discussions. A lot of people around the club know this to be true - goes back to SOS and Ken Hunter lining up with Collo etc against the Elliott Board which included Sticks and Diesel
TorresIsGod
2 Jul 2007, 17:36
My tabasco hot sauce says that Kernahan was the only reason SOS didn't come to Carlton :rolleyes:
navier-stokes equation
20 Jul 2007, 13:04
I just love how everyone is so quick to BAG ANYONE WHO SCRUTINIZES 'STICKS' AS A FOOTY OPERATIONS MANAGER OR WHATEVER HE EXACTLY DOES.
It's like 'friendly fascism'..I mean this guy sure is one of our greats, but his tenure as one of the off-field leaders hasn't brought success ON THE FIELD.
'Sticks' has been protected while we sit comfortably in the gutter (game wise) and everyone seems to turn a blind eye, coz he 'was one of our greats'.
You're all bloody in DENIAL.
Agreed
I hope he isn't involved in selecting the next coach, but sadly given Pratt's comments regarding 'leaving things to sticks' it does not look too good.
Not sure why more people don't actually think for a second about his position at the club instead of blindly thinking he is untouchable. In our position NO ONE should be untouchable.
Bluebear
20 Jul 2007, 15:02
Agreed
I hope he isn't involved in selecting the next coach, but sadly given Pratt's comments regarding 'leaving things to sticks' it does not look too good.
Not sure why more people don't actually think for a second about his position at the club instead of blindly thinking he is untouchable. In our position NO ONE should be untouchable.
According to many here, Sticks (amongst others) made a mistake in re-signing Pagan when they did, for as long as they did.
The new coach should be choosen by an independent Panel, and I'd hope that Parkin and Walls might be a part of that.
ericpascoe
20 Jul 2007, 16:39
Agreed
I hope he isn't involved in selecting the next coach, but sadly given Pratt's comments regarding 'leaving things to sticks' it does not look too good.
Not sure why more people don't actually think for a second about his position at the club instead of blindly thinking he is untouchable. In our position NO ONE should be untouchable.
It's important to Pratt to be seen to be publically supportive of Sticks , but in terms of selecting the next coach (and in fact all big decisions) the serious decision making authority lies with Greg Swann
Aussie Joe
21 Jul 2007, 08:11
I think the janitor and the tea lady have been there for a while too. Better get rid of them and freshen the place up a bit.
I hear that the janitor and Mitchell aren't talking either. Apparently Mitchell tried to get his job as well. :p
Broadside
21 Jul 2007, 13:11
According to many here, Sticks (amongst others) made a mistake in re-signing Pagan when they did, for as long as they did.
The new coach should be choosen by an independent Panel, and I'd hope that Parkin and Walls might be a part of that.
Totally agree Sticks' performance needs to be closely scrutinised, he goes way back and was potentially involved in the decisions that got us in this horrible mess in the first place i.e. salary cap rorting. And who was involved in extending Pagan's contract after we won the night flag? And then completely botched the overthrow of Pagan last year? He was a champion captain and player but off field the only good thing he has done (and it was a great thing) was to get Pratt back on board to get us out of this hole. Hawthorn made a clean start and reduced the unhealthy influence of ex champion players, I think we need to do the same. He can be a figurehead or whatever but I hope Swann is the one making the hard decisions regarding coach selection etc.
navier-stokes equation
28 Jul 2007, 10:02
From Caro's article
Pratt has entrusted his chief executive Swann, football directors Kernahan and Adrian Gleeson and football operations boss Stephen Icke to chose Carlton's new coach
:o:(:rolleyes::thumbsd::mad: