View Full Version : Umpire ray Chamberlain on MMM before Coll/StK game
Did anyone hear this interview? It was quite funny and obviously the guy has a sense of humour and as he rightly points out he doesn't take himself too seriously. Garry Lyon stated after the interview that the interview did more for the PR and respect for the umpires than anyhting they have done in the last 5 years. That was before the game and i tended to agree and looked forward to the match.
Well i tell you what Garry. What that little twerp did during the match put back the good PR and lost any respect that I may have been considering for him. If these people want respect etc then umpire it in the spirit of the game and not in the pathetic grandstanding, take myself seriously, i'm bigger than the game way that they did yesterday. It was disgraceful.
The third quarter was a debarcle and anyone who thinks us pies supporters are whinging as usual go and buy both the Herald Sun and The Age who are both seriously bagging the umpires yesterday.
12 - 3 free kicks 1st Q to StK. 5 - 5 2nd Q. 9 to 7 3rd to StK. (Didn't think we got that many) That's 26 to 15 at 3/4 time. Suprise suprise 11 to 5 free kicks in Last to Coll. I remember commenting to my mates at the game that we will get the better of the umpires in the last due to the free kick count. It blatantly shows that someone must tell them the counts so they can even them up. It is pathetic and unprofessional.
But it isn't really how many each side got, it is how they get them, for what and where on the ground they were awarded.
Schwabie
8 Jul 2007, 09:33
Couldn't agree more, except you can't necessarily blame Chamberlain for all the frees - he was only one of three.
Don't think I've seen St.Kilda ever have such a good run from umps (as occurred in the first three quarters) and of course, balanced up by a free to the best on ground Dale Thomas for in-the-back in front of goal, despite him not actually being touched.
Raises an interesting point - should umps "even it up" as occurred yesterday? Collingwood were certainly dudded for the first three quarters, does it make it right to pay a number of frees to the dudded team in the last quarter? Can see arguments both ways.
Couldn't agree more, except you can't necessarily blame Chamberlain for all the free- he was only one of three.
Don't think I've seen St.Kilda ever have such a good run from umps (as occurred in the first three quarters) and of course, balanced up by a free to the best on ground Dale Thomas for in-the-back in front of goal, despite him not actually being touched.
Raises an interesting point - should umps "even it up" as occurred yesterday? Collingwood were certainly dudded for the first three quarters, does it make it right to pay free to the dudded team in the last quarter? Can see arguments both ways.
No & no. The Thomas decision was the worst of the lot.
Father Jack
8 Jul 2007, 09:51
What I hate is when frees are paid against what I feel is the spirit of the game, ie both players run at the ball, eyes on the ball, collision occurs, ump panics and pulls a free out of his arse to the bloke that comes off second best. Oh yeah, and the pitiful HITB frees that are paid, especially when a player is backing back and is in no way held up or affected at all.
this thread is pretty amazing. i've never read anything like it on big footy before.
Father Jack
8 Jul 2007, 10:13
this thread is pretty amazing. i've never read anything like it on big footy before.
Get used to it. Originality and in-depth, unbiased analysis of the game is what bigfooty is all about. If you want mindless ranting and agenda-pushing, go buy The Age.
I'm a neutral.
Worst umpiring ever yesterday at Coll Vs StK.
Horrendous 3rd qtr decisions against the Pies. Scoredboard said 23-23 in Saints favour at 3/4 time on the frees.
Funnily enough, 50/50s all in Woods favour in the last, and the dodgy ones too. Very ordinary last qtr of umpiring.
Now I know if you are playing in front/playing for the ball, that you are more likely to get frees thtan your opposition, and certianly the Saints lifted in the 3rd and the Magpies lifted in the last - but yesterdays performance by those umps was terrible.
Virtually game ruining. The decisions they make, or are forced to interpret in a certain manner, is pushing our game backwards.
chrisjie
8 Jul 2007, 11:27
Yes the umpiring was bad in the last quarter.
But the Saints still lost the game on their own accord. They were so bad in the last quarter they deserved to lose.
However I still remember the "Now we know what a win feels like." incident over in Freo :)
Schwabie
8 Jul 2007, 11:34
One positive to come from the ridiculous HIB rule and the (less maligned but probably more damaging) interpretation of the "holding the ball" rule is that supporters are generally laying off umpires. Rather, blame is being placed where it belongs - on the Rules Committee and Umpiring coaches. (Possibly with the exception of yesterday's game).
The job of umpires is almost impossible - aside from the fact that they run 15kms in a game, they have to interpret technical rules in a split second.
The technical requirements placed on umpires is another example of AFL stupidity. The easiest way to 'fix' the umpiring situation is to simply pay less frees. Whenever say 10 free kicks are paid to each side in a game, supporters are reasonably satisfied.
Sure, no one likes to see obvious frees missed, but a free paid that isn't deserved is far worse than a free missed (as the cliche goes, rather let 10 guilty men free than jail an innocent man).
In the Collingwood v St.Kilda match, what (rightfully) annoyed Collingwood supporters was the frees paid to St.Kilda that simply weren't there, or were overly technical.
For example, if an umpire doesn't pay say a holding the ball free kick, there is still probably a 50% chance that the tackler may end up with the ball anyway. By contrast, a decision paid (say a soft HIB free) takes a 50/50 ball and turns it into a shot at goal or switches possession - a far greater sanction.
The AFL should start from scratch - only pay especially obvious free kicks (i.e. when someone tries to take on a tackler and is caught, or someone is struck in the head) - anything not glaringly obvious should be let go. Ideally, around 20 free kicks should be paid each game (although that should and can vary depending on the match).
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No & no. The Thomas decision was the worst of the lot.
Yes it certainly was, see below. Couldn't agree more, except you can't necessarily blame Chamberlain for all the frees - he was only one of three.
Don't think I've seen St.Kilda ever have such a good run from umps (as occurred in the first three quarters) and of course, balanced up by a free to the best on ground Dale Thomas for in-the-back in front of goal, despite him not actually being touched.
Raises an interesting point - should umps "even it up" as occurred yesterday? Collingwood were certainly dudded for the first three quarters, does it make it right to pay a number of frees to the dudded team in the last quarter? Can see arguments both ways.
and that is my point. Someone must tell them that they have favoured one side over another and they should 'even' it up. It is that obvious they do this especially after half time that it is so unprofessional and smells of a lack of independace ie - someone other than the 3 men officiating must come in and tell them to even it up somehow. probably not as blatant as that but I think you know what i am trying to say.
hellfire
8 Jul 2007, 13:48
Yes the umpiring was bad in the last quarter.
But the Saints still lost the game on their own accord. They were so bad in the last quarter they deserved to lose.
However I still remember the "Now we know what a win feels like." incident over in Freo :)
The umps were bad the WHOLE game. The third quarter was the worst. The Thomas decision was piss weak, but it was actually there... hands touched the back. He wasn't affected in any way, or put out of the contest, but the hands did touch the back. The worst decisions were the Goldsack, Maxwell and Davis decisions. WOW! Didn't know such decisions were possible!
And besides, the Daisy free doesn't matter, we all know his goal was in on the boundary.
Did anyone hear this interview? It was quite funny and obviously the guy has a sense of humour and as he rightly points out he doesn't take himself too seriously. Garry Lyon stated after the interview that the interview did more for the PR and respect for the umpires than anyhting they have done in the last 5 years. That was before the game and i tended to agree and looked forward to the match.
Would it be disingenuous to suggest old Ray had probably been working on his best material, all week, for his moment in the spotlight?
The Royal Sampler
8 Jul 2007, 15:00
I agree. The Thomas decision was "technically" correct, and by "technically", I mean it was there to the extent that Kevin Bartlett would be up in arms, and no-one else would have noticed.
Lockyer24
8 Jul 2007, 15:24
This guy is everything that is wrong with umpiring.
Obviously out to make a name of himself with this interview, then coming out and putting on a umpiring stink fest.
sainters
8 Jul 2007, 16:11
All 3 umpires at yesterdays game should be dropped for next week, they completely lost control, piss weak.
Well done Pies as much as i hate them, fair effort to come back in the final quater.
theaussietilt
8 Jul 2007, 19:20
I heard the pre-match interview but turned it off when the game started. Am curious what the reaction of the boys on MMM was during the game after pumping up Chamberlain before-hand?
All 3 umpires at yesterdays game should be dropped for next week, they completely lost control, piss weak.
Well done Pies as much as i hate them, fair effort to come back in the final quater.
No chance, Ray just did a bit of media work, that ensures him a path to the finals.
Could you imagine umpire training this week. :o Oh the excitement.