Bendigo vs North Ballarat [Archive]

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 15:43

Reserves got absolutely smashed. Kicked 3 goals for the game. Lost by 104 points.

Cole had 25 possessions
Jetta 22 possessions

According to BomberBlitz Jetta looked a bit disinterested. Played a decent last quarter though.

According to my spies LOL There is already a thread on Cole and Jettas peformances but without going into detail dont get too carried away with Jetta's 22 touch's ;)

Anyway the better first quarter players for the seniors are reported to be Campo , Heff, NLM and Bolts so far with Houli doing ok. Not much seen of Monfries, Gumby and Bradley yet. Very windy conditions.

go_the_bombers

8 Jul 2007, 15:45

According to my spies LOL There is already a thread on Cole and Jettas peformances but without going into detail dont get too carried away with Jetta's 22 touch's ;)

Anyway the better first quarter players for the seniors are reported to be Campo , Heff, NLM and Bolts so far with Houli doing ok. Not much seen of Monfries, Gumby and Bradley yet. Very windy conditions.

thanks for the update ant :thumbsu:

any news on how Lonergan and Lee are going????

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 15:46

thanks for the update ant :thumbsu:

any news on how Lonergan and Lee are going????

Sam isnt playing. No news on Lee so he musnt be doing a lot.
Houli has just gone off with a corky.

go_the_bombers

8 Jul 2007, 15:48

Sam isnt playing. No news on Lee so he musnt be doing a lot.
Houli has just gone off with a corky.

Ok thanks ant

bit of a shame Lonergan isnt playing hoping he was gonna have a big one and put his hand up for selection next week!

mathew ollaik

8 Jul 2007, 15:51

Will Houli come back on?

cbreban

8 Jul 2007, 15:55

can't wait to see this:

IN: Bolton, Camporeale, Heffernan

mathew ollaik

8 Jul 2007, 15:56

can't wait to see this:

IN: Bolton, Camporeale, Heffernan

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

boncer34

8 Jul 2007, 15:57

Is it on radio at all?

Pawtucket Patriot

8 Jul 2007, 16:12

2007 TRUenergy VFL Seniors

North Ballarat 4.5 5.7 . .
Bendigo Bombers 0.3 5.10 . .

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 16:16

Nth ball 5.7 to Bendigo 5.10

Ok a bit to report from half time.
Houli came back on and has kicked a goal.
Knights was happy with the players intensity but they needed to lift their skills.
Bradley starting to get into the game. Presenting well and kicked a goal. Has also had a run in the ruck.
Bolts playing well still.
Campo and Heff both going ok.
Hocking had a good second quarter.
Lee has been fair. Hasnt had much influence stats wise but is keeping his opponent out of the game. Monfries has kickd a goal but has been very quiet.
We started to run a lot better in that quarter and moved the ball well.
Gumby has had a couple of marks but has been a bit quiet.
The rain has now stopped but still a bit windy

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 16:19

Houli came back on and has kicked a gaol.

That must of hurt his foot ;)

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 16:24

That must of hurt his foot ;)

Probably why he went off :p

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 17:05

Nth Ball 8.9 57 Bendigo 7.14 56

Coming home with the wind so we should get up from here.
Best players are currenty Campo, Bolts,Bradley,Cloke and Jolley.
Houli going ok but the coach has given him a bit of a roast for a few times where his lack of attack on the footy wasnt good.
Hocking going ok.
Lee not doing much stat wise but Knights is very happy with his defence work.
Gus got the footy a couple more times but still pretty quiet.
Gumby still quiet.
Bradley still presenting well and has kicked 2 goals.
Knights very happy with the backline holding them out that quarter.
Campo BOG so far.

topdon

8 Jul 2007, 17:07

Campo would be a definite in next weekend, and you would think that Bradley would be better than an even-money chance to return.

Darealrath

8 Jul 2007, 17:08

Cheers ant.

Bit disappointing that Monfries isn't standing out and what you report about Houli.

tockley

8 Jul 2007, 17:21

great work ant looks like campo,bolts.houli,and maybe bradley will come in cant believe campo didnt play on friday

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 17:43

RED AND BLACK SOLDIER

8 Jul 2007, 17:53

Poor effort in the last quarter going down 14.11 to 11.19 . With the current injury problems it could prove very costly to the chances of Bendigo making the finals.

Better players according to my roving reporters where Campo,Bolton,Cloke,NLM,Bradley,Hocking.
Houli was ok but just out of the best had 19 possessions.
Heff was reasonably good as well.
Monfries finished with 2 golas but only had 9 possessions.
Gumby was well held with only 6 touchs.
Hocking another solid game with 20 touch's and his usual tackiling pressure.
With Davey out, should/can we bring in Hocking and stick him at half forward to apply some tackling pressure? I think he could be good, and would rathered Hocking be promoted than Rama at the moment because i didn't think Rama was ready and fit enough yet.

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 19:17

2007 TRUenergy VFL Seniors

North Ballarat 4.5 5.7 8.9 14.11 (95)
Bendigo Bombers 0.3 5.10 7.14 11.19 (85)

GOALS:
North Ballarat: Gregg 4 Thomas 2 Whyman 2 Edwards Burchell Sansbury Urch Roach Hardy
Bendigo Bombers: Monfries 3 Bradley 2 Maddern Bowe Bolton Lovett-Murray Houli Gumbleton

BEST:
North Ballarat: Sharkey Stephenson Sansbury Gregg Searl Chester
Bendigo Bombers: Camporeale Chartres Cloke Flaherty Hocking Heffernan

REPORTED PLAYERS:
North Ballarat: Nil
Bendigo Bombers: Nil

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 19:19

With Davey out, should/can we bring in Hocking and stick him at half forward to apply some tackling pressure? I think he could be good, and would rathered Hocking be promoted than Rama at the moment because i didn't think Rama was ready and fit enough yet.

Personally i would love to see Hocking get promoted. Not too sure if it would happen though.

Astute Observer

8 Jul 2007, 19:33

Would love to see Hocking promoted. Give him a Chambers highlight package (especially Friday night) that's what we want from Hocking.....he should model his game on Chambers.

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 19:44

Would love to see Hocking promoted. Give him a Chambers highlight package (especially Friday night) that's what we want from Hocking.....he should model his game on Chambers.

Who?

Darealrath

8 Jul 2007, 19:47

Who?

Surely means Selwood ?

The Dustbin

8 Jul 2007, 19:49

Would love to see Hocking promoted. Give him a Chambers highlight package (especially Friday night) that's what we want from Hocking.....he should model his game on Chambers.

Chambers?

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 19:49

Surely means Selwood ?

I wasn't sure if he might have confused Mark Blake with Chambers and Hocking with McKinnon.

mathew ollaik

8 Jul 2007, 20:40

Will Houli come in this week? Hope he does!

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 20:45

Personally i would love to see Hocking get promoted. Not too sure if it would happen though.

I've only seen bits and pieces from Hocking but on what I've seen I reckon he has 0.001% chance of making it as an AFL footballer.

Whoever put him in the bests in the game against Tassie needs a bit of a head examination.

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 21:01

I've only seen bits and pieces from Hocking but on what I've seen I reckon he has 0.001% chance of making it as an AFL footballer.

I reckon you're a long way from the truth.

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 21:01

I've only seen bits and pieces from Hocking but on what I've seen I reckon he has 0.001% chance of making it as an AFL footballer.

Whoever put him in the bests in the game against Tassie needs a bit of a head examination.

Had the specific role to tag Ken Hall who has been Tassies only consistant performer and he did a good job while getting a bit of the footy himself.He held Hall to a good number less possessions than he had been getting in previous weeks.Did you ever stop to think that players who carry out their role in the side well can be named in the best players ? It is not all about running around and getting 30 possessions every week. Someone has to tag. I suppose you missed the 5 direct goal assist he had during the game. When he gets the footy he rarely uses it badly and generally something good comes of it.
Given Hocking has had 20 plus possession in most of the VFL games he has played (which is only 17) i would suggest you may try seeing a bit more of a player before making comment as clealry your bits and pieces havnt been a lot.
Currently he is probably 50/50 to remain on the list and probably the same to make it in the AFL. He isnt in the Chris Judd leauge. He is more of Jason Johnson / Pev style player with much better skills. Of course he still has it all to prove but to say that someone who has played very well consistantly so far in the VFL has 0.001 % chance of making it based on limited views is well, rather stupid.

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 21:22

There are certain traits that you can pick up quite easily and make a quick judgment call. Easy to pick up Hocking as someone who'll be a good VFL footballer and thats about it.

Ben Jolley was one last year where it was completely obvious that he would not make at as an AFL footballer.

Hocking has less chance than Jolly and I'd be willing to cut of my left one if Hocking made at at AFL level.

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 21:24

Hocking has more tricks than Jolley.

What are these certain traits?

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 21:24

I reckon you're a long way from the truth.

Yep, sorry.

It's more like 0.00001%. ;)

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 21:30

Hocking has more tricks than Jolley.

What are these certain traits?

Basic composure and disposal of the ball.

He doesn't have great disposal and he doesn't look composed when he has the ball.

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 21:33

Basic composure and disposal of the ball.

He doesn't have great disposal and he doesn't look composed when he has the ball.

How can you make a judgment on that after seeing little of him.
That's not something you can assess quickly.

And you're wrong, on both counts.

He has neat skills and a good head on his shoulders.

High Ryder

8 Jul 2007, 21:36

mathew ollaik

8 Jul 2007, 21:38

Lee apparently had a good game in defence and i'd be tempted to bring him in. Maybe not against the dogs as they dont have many tall forwards but against Collingwood i think he'd be a good option to bring in.

Don't agree. One good game for the season in the 2's isn't enough. He must play another 5-6 good games in the VFL in order to keep himself on essendon's list!

High Ryder

8 Jul 2007, 21:40

Don't agree. One good game for the season in the 2's isn't enough. He must play another 5-6 good games in the VFL in order to keep himself on essendon's list!
Who are we going to play on the likes of Rocca, Cloke and Reid? With Fletch and Ryder most likely missing its a good chance to see where hes at.

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 21:42

How can you make a judgment on that after seeing little of him.
That's not something you can assess quickly.

And you're wrong, on both counts.

He has neat skills and a good head on his shoulders.

It's something I reckon you can see quickly in a player.... a game or two or even a few passages of play.

Composure and awareness in getting the ball, composure with the ball and disposal of the ball.

Nothing I've seen of Hocking says to me he can make it as an AFL footballer.

And while I'm at it what I've seen from Tommy Hislop suggests to me that he'll be the best of our draftees from last year.

Longy413

8 Jul 2007, 21:44

It's something I reckon you can see quickly in a player.... a game or two or even a few passages of play.

Composure and awareness in getting the ball, composure with the ball and disposal of the ball.

If you'd only seen two passages of play from Dustin Fletcher, you could make the judgment that he was the worst kick of a footy of all time and has no composure whats so ever.

Perhaps our recruiting team was using your method circa 1999-2001

ant555

8 Jul 2007, 21:56

Basic composure and disposal of the ball.

He doesn't have great disposal and he doesn't look composed when he has the ball.

This will do me. It really shows you have no idea on Hocking. His disposal is very good and his use of the ball under pressure is also very good. It isnt a weakness. I simply cant belive you have picked out a couple of his better points as a weakness.
His weakness may be is he fast enough to survive at AFL level .

It's something I reckon you can see quickly in a player.... a game or two or even a few passages of play.

Composure and awareness in getting the ball, composure with the ball and disposal of the ball.

Nothing I've seen of Hocking says to me he can make it as an AFL footballer.

And while I'm at it what I've seen from Tommy Hislop suggests to me that he'll be the best of our draftees from last year

This would be Tommy Hislop who's kicking is a bit dodgy and kicks a lot of dinky up and under pass's that dont hit targets.

Seriuosly you have done well here . You have shown that you really have no idea about Hocking. His tackling and footskills where what atracted the attention of not just us but also Melbourne and Richmond who took some interest in taking him in the rookie draft.
I have to ask how much footage have you actually seen of him ?

hulld

8 Jul 2007, 22:11

did reimers end up playing or did his injury force him out?

kelvin_sheedy

8 Jul 2007, 23:28

I have to ask how much footage have you actually seen of him ?

The Bendigo vs Tassie game last week and a few others over the past year.

If you were to give odds in him playing 150 games of AFL football what would they be?

Longy413

9 Jul 2007, 09:45

If you were to give odds in him playing 150 games of AFL football what would they be?

You're moving the goal posts.

The odds of anyone playing 150 games of AFL football are very slim.

ant555

9 Jul 2007, 11:13

The Bendigo vs Tassie game last week and a few others over the past year.

If you were to give odds in him playing 150 games of AFL football what would they be?

For a start i am still wondering if you have the right player ? Solidly built kid, short curly hair ,wears 39, very long left foot kick. I have seen close to all his VFL games and around 12 or so of his game for Rangers in the TAC Cup and poor disposal and lack of composure under pressure are the last things i would have pegged him for.

As for odds about him playing 150 games well they would be long at this stage. He is an outsiders to get that far currently. I would say maybe 250-1 to make it to 150 games. I dont think anywhere i have said he is a good thing to make it on our list or to make it to even 5 games . He is however a better than 0.001% chance of getting to AFL level.

kelvin_sheedy

9 Jul 2007, 11:27

For a start i am still wondering if you have the right player ? Solidly built kid, short curly hair ,wears 39, very long left foot kick. I have seen close to all his VFL games and around 12 or so of his game for Rangers in the TAC Cup and poor disposal and lack of composure under pressure are the last things i would have pegged him for.

As for odds about him playing 150 games well they would be long at this stage. He is an outsiders to get that far currently. I would say maybe 250-1 to make it to 150 games. I dont think anywhere i have said he is a good thing to make it on our list or to make it to even 5 games . He is however a better than 0.001% chance of getting to AFL level.

I've got the right bloke.

I'm not saying that his composure and skills are really poor. It's just that I can see that it is not up to AFL standard - that is when the pace and pressure are increased I think his skills and composure will crumble.

kelvin_sheedy

9 Jul 2007, 11:31

You're moving the goal posts.

The odds of anyone playing 150 games of AFL football are very slim.

I'm not moving the goalposts.

I'm saying he has little to no chance of making it as an AFL player.

I'd like to know what chance you give him of making it?

I have stated my reasons as to why I think he won't and to clarify I reckon his composure and skills will not stand up at AFL level.

He just looks like a good VFL player that doesn't have the tools to crack it at the top level.

ant555

9 Jul 2007, 11:42

I've got the right bloke.

I'm not saying that his composure and skills are really poor. It's just that I can see that it is not up to AFL standard - that is when the pace and pressure are increased I think his skills and composure will crumble.

Ok so why do you think Hislop who has shown worse skills than than Hocking in match's and at training will be better ?
(and no i am not saying that Tommy is a dud as i think he will make it and be a very good player)

Explain to me how a bloke who hits targets in the VFL at well over 80% efficiency , has had a good number of games where he has hit targets up forward and has created goal scoring opertunities 3 to 4 times a game is going to crumble. In several games i have seen this year he has hit leading forwards from 40 meters away despite being under pressure from the opposition.
Im just really interested to hear how you can see a bloke who doesnt make too many mistakes under pressure in the VFL will suddenly crumble.
I also want to know that if you can see this then why are we bothering with Hislop,Houli,Lonergan and Reimers who all have struggled at times with their kicking in the VFL ?

ant555

9 Jul 2007, 11:44

I'm not moving the goalposts.

I'm saying he has little to no chance of making it as an AFL player.

I'd like to know what chance you give him of making it?

I have stated my reasons as to why I think he won't and to clarify I reckon his composure and skills will not stand up at AFL level.

He just looks like a good VFL player that doesn't have the tools to crack it at the top level.

You did move the goal posts. The betting on him making it to the AFL and making it to 150 games is very different.

kelvin_sheedy

9 Jul 2007, 12:21

I think Hislops skills are quite good and will not fall off at AFL level. Will improve over time to be a gun midfielder.

The difference with Hocking is that at AFL level I don't think he will have the time and space to be able to execute his skills and they will drop off. He won't be able handle the pace and intensity.

Hislop will be able to make that time and space and execute.

As for the others I've seen...

Houli needs a fair bit of work before he becomes a regular AFL player. After seeing him at AFL level and at VFL he needs to be taught a few things before he can cut it as a midfielder. There's a little bit of Bullen I see in him that I don't like.

I like the look of Lonergan and I think he can make it at AFL level. I just hope he gets put in the centre for Bendigo and is played there most of the game instead of roles in the forward line.

Stants_24_Legend

9 Jul 2007, 13:30

Where Is Courtney Dempsey

DaSawx

9 Jul 2007, 13:56

Where Is Courtney Dempsey

did another hammy

High Ryder

9 Jul 2007, 18:21

Anyone else think we should have a look at rookie listing Flaherty next year? From bits and pieces i've seen he looks very good at Fullback. Kept Aaron Edwards to just the 1 goal yesterday.

mathew ollaik

9 Jul 2007, 19:12

Anyone else think we should have a look at rookie listing Flaherty next year? From bits and pieces i've seen he looks very good at Fullback. Kept Aaron Edwards to just the 1 goal yesterday.

Do you know much about him? How tall is he and how old is he?

High Ryder

9 Jul 2007, 19:16

Do you know much about him? How tall is he and how old is he?
19 yrs old, 192cm and 92 KG.

RED AND BLACK SOLDIER

9 Jul 2007, 19:36

Anyone else think we should have a look at rookie listing Flaherty next year? From bits and pieces i've seen he looks very good at Fullback. Kept Aaron Edwards to just the 1 goal yesterday.
Do you know much about his form from rd1, has he consistatly played well the whole year or has he just played well in patches?

High Ryder

9 Jul 2007, 19:56

Do you know much about his form from rd1, has he consistatly played well the whole year or has he just played well in patches?
I haven't watched alot of Bendigo but what i have he's looked very good and i've heard Matty Knights mention nobody's kicked more than 1 or 2 on him.

Longy413

9 Jul 2007, 21:01

Anyone else think we should have a look at rookie listing Flaherty next year? From bits and pieces i've seen he looks very good at Fullback. Kept Aaron Edwards to just the 1 goal yesterday.

Bit of an old school defender from what I can tell.

He does his job defensively but doesn't get a lot of the footy. In a weak draft, he could be some sort of chance.

kelvin_sheedy

9 Jul 2007, 21:10

Darealrath

9 Jul 2007, 21:12

Flaherty, Slattery...it's a pity we don't still have Murphy for all the Irish jokes.

RED AND BLACK SOLDIER

9 Jul 2007, 22:12

Flaherty sounds like a good talent. I myself would'nt be that worried if he got much of the footy as long as he stops his man which he seems to do. I think it would be a great move by the club to draft him at the end of the year and would really love it if we got him to the club. Does anyone think many clubs would be interested in picking him up?

GoDons

10 Jul 2007, 00:51

Talking of VFL listed players, what ever happened to Kris Pendlebury?

If I recall correctly, he, along with Maddern, trained with Essendon in the pre-season not too long back. I thought he was showing a bit as a versatile defender.

Given the talent of Scott, I thought he might be worth the risk. He seems to have drifted right out of the picture.

Joe Rossi

10 Jul 2007, 03:18

can anyone comment on G. Weeks ? Played well from Bendigo reserves on the w/end.

Joe Rossi

10 Jul 2007, 03:19

can anyone comment on G. Weeks ? Played well from Bendigo reserves on the w/end.

ant555

10 Jul 2007, 09:14

can anyone comment on G. Weeks ? Played well from Bendigo reserves on the w/end.

Hasnt been going too badly. Played a few senior games but was dropped back to the reserves when all the Essendon listed players where available over the last two weeks. Will probably get another run this week given we will be missing a good number of players.
Obviously the fact he hasnt played a lot of footy in recent times held him back a bit but he has been improving most weeks .

ant555

10 Jul 2007, 09:16

I liked the look of him in the game against Tassie.

Looked like he had good closing speed and got his body in to good positions.

At 19 and 192 cm he looks like he might be worth a punt.

Anyone know anymore about him?

He has played on some decent players this year and has done a good job on a lot of them. Like Longy has said he doesnt win a lot of the footy but his defencive skills would certainly give him a chance of being looked at for a rookie list spot.