Why don't bounary or goal umpires report anymore?

[powinc]

Fabulous Phil Carmen said on the Footy Show that he was reported by a boundary umpire for smacking Tucky. But there does not seem to any reports laid by boundary or gaol umpires any more?

1. When was the last time a boundary or gaol umpire reported someone?

2. Do umpires carry report books anymore?

3. Fabulous Phil did not have much luck with boundary umpires.

powinc

[TigerCraig]

In the AFL reports are pretty rare full stop. I think everyone is happy to go to the video unless it is absolutely blatant.

Different story in the real footy world though.

[Rory]

In the AFL if the field umpire has reported a player close to the goal line and the goal umpire has also seen this then the goal umpire is not required to make the report as the feild umpire has already reported the player. This would also be the case for boundary umpires. This would be the reason why it is rare for goal or boundary umpires to make reports. Keep in mind that is for AFL only.

I'm unsure about other state leagues, but in the SANFL goal and boundary umpires are required to report any incidents they see even if the field umpire has reported the player for the same incident.

[TigerCraig]

In the AFL if the field umpire has reported a player close to the goal line and the goal umpire has also seen this then the goal umpire is not required to make the report as the feild umpire has already reported the player. This would also be the case for boundary umpires. This would be the reason why it is rare for goal or boundary umpires to make reports. Keep in mind that is for AFL only.

I'm unsure about other state leagues, but in the SANFL goal and boundary umpires, as well as field umpires are required to report any incidents they see even if the field umpire has reported the player for the same incident.

Particularly given the AFL's 3 umpire sysem.

In the old 1, and to a lesser extent 2, umpire systems the goalies were/are more required to watch what happens behind the play

[Rory]

Wrong.
If the field umpire makes a report and the goal umpire sees it as well the goal umpire can also report the player. Same goes with the boundary umpires.

No I am not wrong. Just last week the state umpiring coach ran through reporting procedures with us and also told us the procedures of reports in AFL regarding goal and boundary umpires.

Don't try and argue the point because this came straight from the mouth of an AFL umpiring coach who knows what he is talking about. Things may be different in whatever country bumpkin league you umpire.

[Rory]

Particularly given the AFL's 3 umpire sysem.

In the old 1, and to a lesser extent 2, umpire systems the goalies were/are more required to watch what happens behind the play

Yep, given all the footage they have now it really seems pointless that 2 or 3 umpires report the player for the same thing, especially with the new tribunal system.

[pazza]

Not too many fights in the goal square these days..you'll see nothing like Mark Jackson and Ron Andrews squareing off.

[VanBerlo=God]

No I am not wrong. Just last week the state umpiring coach ran through reporting procedures with us and also told us the procedures of reports in AFL regarding goal and boundary umpires.

Don't try and argue the point because this came straight from the mouth of an AFL umpiring coach who knows what he is talking about. Things may be different in whatever country bumpkin league you umpire.
local leagues are a bit different to state and national levels

1.) all umpires can make reports
2.) all umpires can be listed on the one report, multiple or single as required
3.) all umpires can make separate reports on the same incident where/if required

that is my understanding.

at AFL level it is extremely rare because of 1) tv, 2) field umpires almost always in the right position to see it.

[Rory]

local leagues are a bit different to state and national levels

1.) all umpires can make reports
2.) all umpires can be listed on the one report, multiple or single as required
3.) all umpires can make separate reports on the same incident where/if required

that is my understanding.

at AFL level it is extremely rare because of 1) tv, 2) field umpires almost always in the right position to see it.
In the SANFL all umpires are required to report if they see any incident. For example if player A hits player B in the goal square the goal umpire must file a separate report from the field umpire, assuming both field and goal umpires saw the incident, Keep in mind this is SANFL.

If the same situation were to occur in the AFL, with the field umpire reporting player A for striking player B then the goal umpire is not to report player A as the field umpire has seen it and reported player A. But if the field umpire has not seen this and has not made a report then the goal umpire must report player A. That's the ruling for AFL, I don't know why it's different in AFL but it just is.

So in essence the second paragraph would explain as to why boundary and goal umpires hardly ever make reports. I don't think TV comes into it but as you said field umpires are always in the correct positions to report players.

[Marstermind]

In the local league in which I goal umpire, we're told not to report unless it pretty much happens in the goal square (or at least no more than 20m out). Otherwise, if it's taken to the tribunal, you'll be questioned on how you could see it from that far when you're supposed to be watching the ball, and they'll chuck it out. Also, the more umpires who report an incident means the possibly of more versions of the same story, leading to doubt being established and the case being thrown out. So if a fieldy reports it, the goalie probably doesn't need to as well (depending on the severity of the charge).

Not sure how this relates to AFL, but that's what happens in our local league.

[gadj1976]

don't they just dob the player into the field umpire?

[eddiesmith]

Goal and boundary umpires may just submit incident reports these days for the MRP to follow up unless they see something absolutely crystal clear reportable as it takes the pressure off them

I have never reported anyone, seen things that would get you weeks in the AFL but never reported them