Deliberate

[NSWCROW]

MASSIE gets pinged.
Macguire doesn't.
PISS WEAK.
You tell me which was more deliberate ??

[Duskfire]

Everyone complains about umpires after their team loses. Its the "in" thing. I could make a list of frees the Saint should have gotten as well. It was pretty even over the ground.

[swanniez1983]

yeah, would have to agree with you on that

[OB1]

MASSIE gets pinged.
Macguire doesn't.
PISS WEAK.
You tell me which was more deliberate ??

Massie - clearly

[Tas]

Need more boundry umpires, they missed the Maguire one.

[littleTree]

Need more boundry umpires, they missed the Maguire one.

Just a bad call... but there was nothing in the Macguire one. (edit* deliberate)

[Super Goalie]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=230

[Tas]

Just a bad call... but there was nothing in the Macguire one. (edit* deliberate)

Yeah, you are allowed to punch over the boundary in a contest, but not meant to do it deliberately. He really made no attempt to disguise it.

Still couldn't hurt having another couple of linesmen in.

[DarwinRoo]

Yeah, you are allowed to punch over the boundary in a contest, but not meant to do it deliberately. He really made no attempt to disguise it.

Still couldn't hurt having another couple of linesmen in.

He is a backman. probably his first instinct is to punch. The deliberate rule stinks anyway.

He also could have taken the mark.

[Tas]

He is a backman. probably his first instinct is to punch. The deliberate rule stinks anyway.

He also could have taken the mark.

I am not a huge fan of that rule, not fan of many current rules. As long as they are consistent then you can live with it I guess.

[Ryder Is God]

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[DarwinRoo]

Need more boundry umpires, they missed the Maguire one.

Boundary umpires also dont call deliberate. its the field umpire. But i agree we need 4 boundary umpires.

[ThomasR]

Agreed on more boundary umpires but as said above it's the field umpire's call as to whether it's deliberate or not.

The Massie one was definitely deliberate. Riewoldt pulls back and starts asking for the free even before Massie has crossed the line, because he knows that's his only intention and given that he's under absolutely no pressure, the ump has no choice but to pay it.

He did the same thing against Richmond and was similarly rewarded - I've never understood why more players don't do it. There are a lot more deliberate out of bounds than are paid, so why not try to take advantage of this?

[NSWCROW]

CONTEXT people.
MASSIE was knackered ( And has a turning circle bigger than the QE2 )
Maguire made NO attempt to disguise his intentions.

Since this rule has been in place it would be split 80 / 20 with the umps pinging the ones they shouldn't and letting the ones they SHOULD ping go !!!!
Agree ??

[DarwinRoo]

CONTEXT people.
MASSIE was knackered ( And has a turning circle bigger than the QE2 )
Maguire made NO attempt to disguise his intentions.

Since this rule has been in place it would be split 80 / 20 with the umps pinging the ones they shouldn't and letting the ones they SHOULD ping go !!!!
Agree ??

And Maguire wasnt knackered? So Massies lack of agility means that he shouldnt have been paid deliberate?

[ThomasR]

CONTEXT people.
MASSIE was knackered ( And has a turning circle bigger than the QE2 )
Maguire made NO attempt to disguise his intentions.

Since this rule has been in place it would be split 80 / 20 with the umps pinging the ones they shouldn't and letting the ones they SHOULD ping go !!!!
Agree ??

Righto, so the next time a defender leaps up in a pack and belts the ball over the line, he should be pinged for deliberate? No, any this very rarely happens these days. It's difficult to control fists.

In hindsight, Maguire should have marked it, but he was expecting body contact - solution? Belt the ball over the line, as you would in those circumstances normally. It just looked incredibly bad and I would've had no complaints if it was paid deliberate - but can't really argue against it either.

As for Massie.. you can't just run the ball over the line like that. There was nobody closing in on him, why didn't he just stop if he was so buggered, and the turn around, instead of charging like a winger at a try-line.

Why am I even bothering with this? Just consider yourself lucky it wasn't a 6 goal+ thrashing.

[Big Ted]

CONTEXT people.
MASSIE was knackered ( And has a turning circle bigger than the QE2 )
Maguire made NO attempt to disguise his intentions.

Since this rule has been in place it would be split 80 / 20 with the umps pinging the ones they shouldn't and letting the ones they SHOULD ping go !!!!
Agree ??

No, you were wrong on Massie

[NSWCROW]

A DOUBLE FISTED punch over the boundary ON THE FULL !!!!!!!
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Once again , UMPS who have never played the game :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[NSWCROW]

No, you were wrong on Massie
The turning circle or being knackered ?

[King Elvis]

I thought the one where Gehrig claimed the mark, was denied, then basically threw the ball out of bounds was worse.

[DarwinRoo]

A DOUBLE FISTED punch over the boundary ON THE FULL !!!!!!!
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Once again , UMPS who have never played the game :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would they be the same umps that constantly look after your team at footy park.

[Natman]

MASSIE gets pinged.
Macguire doesn't.
PISS WEAK.
You tell me which was more deliberate ??

Pathetic Excuses Board

[NSWCROW]

Would they be the same umps that constantly look after your team at footy park.
WTF ??????
( Spits iced coffee all over computer !!!! )

[Lunchlady Doris]

A DOUBLE FISTED punch over the boundary ON THE FULL !!!!!!!
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Once again , UMPS who have never played the game :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If the umps had played the game, they'd be even less likely to pay a free kick against Maguire for spoiling...:rolleyes:

[clobba]

there were lots of frees not paid and an out of bounds that wasnt paid that lead to a goal that I said to myself I wasnt going to mention if we lost (didnt want to come off blaming the umps like some swan supporters). Personally I was unhappy with where frees were paid in the 1st quarter but thats footy.....was closer than I thought it would be as I consider the crows pretty average (as we also have been this year...though truthfully its been more ok some games shocking others) but was almost hoping they would win when it looked like we were going to flood back behind the ball and stop attacking, thank god for that crow goal as it seemed to stop the boys thinking defensive and keep pumping it in...could have hurt but I prefer attacking footy to keepings off.

[NSWCROW]

Pathetic Excuses Board
And after ALL the tears from YOUR mob last week.........:rolleyes:

THINK Mcfly , THINK !!!!

[bomberstomake8]

MASSIE gets pinged.
Macguire doesn't.
PISS WEAK.
You tell me which was more deliberate ??

dont complain about the umps. i was unbiased tonight, one of the few matches where i actually did not care at all who won. and that was probably the best umpired match i have watched this year

[NSWCROW]

If the umps had played the game, they'd be even less likely to pay a free kick against Maguire for spoiling...:rolleyes:
If they played down back , maybe.:rolleyes:

[Darealrath]

Nah. When the first intention is to spoil they shouldn't be paid. Only when the first intention is to take the ball over should it be paid. He had room but did he realise it ? If he did he probably would have marked it so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

[DarwinRoo]

WTF ??????
( Spits iced coffee all over computer !!!! )

Geelong are still waiting for an apology for the umps not paying Leigh Colberts mark.

[Ron The Bear]

Both open-and-shut cases. This is the type of thing that makes people angry. But what can anyone say, we mustn't criticise umpires.

[GhostofJimJess]

"Deliberate" is and always has been a home town adjudication. Simple as that.

I would love to see the comparative figures on how many of these are awarded to "home" v "away" teams over the past decade. I bet it's way in favor of the "home" team.

"Baaalllll!!!" wouldn't be too much different.

[happy_eagle]

il tell ya what they need

78 umpires, they wouldnt miss a thing (you'd hope)

[NSWCROW]

Geelong are still waiting for an apology for the umps not paying Leigh Colberts mark.
We're still waiting for an apology for the disrespect you guys showed us at half time of the 98 GF :D:thumbsu:

[Super Goalie]

We're still waiting for an apology for the disrespect you guys showed us at half time of the 98 GF :D:thumbsu:

No apology needed for that. :) Problem belong them.


Aaaaanyway, Massie's was clearly deliberate, where as I believe Maguire just wanted to get the ball away from the area, and it just so happened that the ball went out. I cried "deliberate!" at the time, but just out of sheer desperation.

[Mancey]

I've noticed in a close tense game, they quite often put the whistle away when it comes to line ball decisions like MacGuires. Did it in the ess wce game too.

Good thing too, no one wants a game decided by a dodgy free, far better to let it go imo

[huntos]

Shouldn't it only be deliberate when somebody has clean possesion of the ball and chooses the boundry line over a teamate, so even if goose punched it over the line it wouln't be deliberate.

If anything if you have clean possesion of the ball and dispose over the goal line then it should be deliberate and a free kick in the goal square for the attacking team.

[Disrespect_16]

I'll start by saying that I've only seen the incident once in real time, as I'm sure the crows fans that are sooking (yes you NSWCROW, pathetic) have seen it replayed from many angles 4-5 times, or they wouldn't be shooting their keyboards off. But for mine, it looked like Goose had left his player behind him and his first priority was and also had to be for his team's sake to make sure the ball did not get behind him and fall to his man. Consequently, as he was facing the boundary line and his momentum was taking him that way, any contact he made with the ball, was always going to go in one direction.

He possibly could have marked, I think a front-on shot would be required to determine that and I didn't see it from that angle, but I'm happy for the ump to give him the benefit of the doubt. It might also pay to remember that there are three umps on the ground, some are pricks, some are decent. One may give DOOB, one one may not in similar circumstances. These things are rub of the green and even out, good teams are good teams because they are still able to win, even when things like that go against them, Crows weren't able to.

As someone already mentioned too, DOOB is something of a hometown free-kick. It's driven largely by the crowd, that's what home ground advantage is about. And as much as we heard from some arrogant crows fans about how well they play the TD and how they would win by 6-7-8 goals, it was believe or not St. Kilda's home game and ground. Those are the breaks, deal with them and move on, don't start crap threads as I'm sure you were one of the fans tipping your side to win comfortably (and yes I tipped St. Kilda :thumbsu:)

[Adelaide Cows]

Would they be the same umps that constantly look after your team at footy park.

Like to know the free kick stat ratio at footy park, think you'd be suprised.

Still our loss last night had nothing to do with poor umpiring.

[Ron The Bear]

Like to know the free kick stat ratio at footy park, think you'd be suprised.

Last five years:

AAMI, for 1492, against 1491 (excluding games against Port)
elsewhere, for 1488, against 1489

[Sportman1987]

They were both deliberate. The crows player was in the open, and did not have any momentum. He just headed straight for the line, deliberate any day of the week.

The sainter had no intention other then putting the ball out of play even though he was not in a contest. Unlucky for the crows it was not called

[NSWCROW]

I'll start by saying that I've only seen the incident once in real time, as I'm sure the crows fans that are sooking (yes you NSWCROW, pathetic) have seen it replayed from many angles 4-5 times, or they wouldn't be shooting their keyboards off. But for mine, it looked like Goose had left his player behind him and his first priority was and also had to be for his team's sake to make sure the ball did not get behind him and fall to his man. Consequently, as he was facing the boundary line and his momentum was taking him that way, any contact he made with the ball, was always going to go in one direction.

He possibly could have marked, I think a front-on shot would be required to determine that and I didn't see it from that angle, but I'm happy for the ump to give him the benefit of the doubt. It might also pay to remember that there are three umps on the ground, some are pricks, some are decent. One may give DOOB, one one may not in similar circumstances. These things are rub of the green and even out, good teams are good teams because they are still able to win, even when things like that go against them, Crows weren't able to.

As someone already mentioned too, DOOB is something of a hometown free-kick. It's driven largely by the crowd, that's what home ground advantage is about. And as much as we heard from some arrogant crows fans about how well they play the TD and how they would win by 6-7-8 goals, it was believe or not St. Kilda's home game and ground. Those are the breaks, deal with them and move on, don't start crap threads as I'm sure you were one of the fans tipping your side to win comfortably (and yes I tipped St. Kilda :thumbsu:)
Good work DIPSTICK_16 ( Ya like that ?? :D )

Don't need to see the replay 5-6 times to know what DOOB is.
If MASSIE's was deliberate , the GOOSE's sure as hell was too.
MASSIE ran out of options , MAGUIRE's ONLY intention was to punch the ball out.
You tell me which one was was more DELIBERATE !!!

GAMEDAY thread WTF ?????

[ams4crows]

No apology needed for that. :) Problem belong them.


Aaaaanyway, Massie's was clearly deliberate, where as I believe Maguire just wanted to get the ball away from the area, and it just so happened that the ball went out. I cried "deliberate!" at the time, but just out of sheer desperation.

I did the same I was pissed it wasn't given at the time but If one of our player did a diving punch and knocked it out I wouldn't be happy if it was given Delibrate

I've noticed in a close tense game, they quite often put the whistle away when it comes to line ball decisions like MacGuires. Did it in the ess wce game too.

Good thing too, no one wants a game decided by a dodgy free, far better to let it go imo

you could debate that massie's was dodgy because plently of players do the exact smae thing all over the ground and never get pinned and that Goal well won them the game! I can gaurentee If a Stkilda player had done what massie did theres no way it would have been a free they would have gotten away with like everyone else has been for awhile now.


All I'm asking for is a bit more consistancy!

[King Elvis]

They were both deliberate. The crows player was in the open, and did not have any momentum. He just headed straight for the line, deliberate any day of the week.

The sainter had no intention other then putting the ball out of play even though he was not in a contest. Unlucky for the crows it was not called

McGuire's wasnt the one that bothered me.

In the last quarter, where Gehrig tried to claim a mark when the ball hit the ground, was tackled and then basically threw the ball over the boundary line - that's the one that pissed me off.

The McGuire one COULD'VE been paid, but he would've been a bit stiff - that being said, he was lucky it wasn't paid.

[Ron The Bear]

McGuire's wasnt the one that bothered me.

In the last quarter, where Gehrig tried to claim a mark when the ball hit the ground, was tackled and then basically threw the ball over the boundary line - that's the one that pissed me off.

Rightly or wrongly, umpires usually give a player some leeway if he believes he's taken a mark which isn't paid.