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cats2rise
14 Jul 2007, 19:06
Well there is one way to not get called for 'Hands In The Back'... Just bypass the back and sit on someone shoulders :)
catempire
14 Jul 2007, 19:17
Warwick Capper-esque.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
14 Jul 2007, 19:45
Should have kicked the goal.
The rabbi
14 Jul 2007, 20:38
Personally, I don't know what all this whinging about "hands in the back" is about. The rule is clear. What is wrong with using the body? All the players out there have hips and shoulders. Steve Johnson took a mark earlier in the year where he used his elbow to keep distance but his hands were in the air for the umpires to clearly see. He took the mark and the umpire had no problems with it. You can push in the side if both player are side by side. I think that the rule rewards the player who gets front position. Just don't put your hands in their back.
cats2rise
14 Jul 2007, 20:41
Scarlett V Lucus last round. Tell me thats fair.
Mooney_d'King
14 Jul 2007, 20:48
Absolutely brilliant. What a gun. Chappy, you're a LEGEND!!!
thejester
14 Jul 2007, 21:04
Personally, I don't know what all this whinging about "hands in the back" is about. The rule is clear. What is wrong with using the body? All the players out there have hips and shoulders. Steve Johnson took a mark earlier in the year where he used his elbow to keep distance but his hands were in the air for the umpires to clearly see. He took the mark and the umpire had no problems with it. You can push in the side if both player are side by side. I think that the rule rewards the player who gets front position. Just don't put your hands in their back.
They also have their forearms. You can hold your ground with your forearm....but not your hands. Why? The effect is exactly the same. The reality is it's a daft interpretation that is totally unnecessary and should be done away with.
mightymightyblues
14 Jul 2007, 21:38
hey guys, could someone please post that mark on youtube because i missed it at the game and the replay wasnt clear enough.
By the way god bless you for beating the scum today!
geelong16
14 Jul 2007, 21:59
hey guys, could someone please post that mark on youtube because i missed it at the game and the replay wasnt clear enough.
By the way god bless you for beating the scum today!
yeh same here, i was at the game but hardly anyone saw as we all sunk our heads when we though johno had kicked the point, and the replay at the g was dodgy and couldnt see a thing
Absolutely beautiful grab, but it was a pity Chappy didn't get a goal from it.
My5t3r10u5
15 Jul 2007, 00:46
Personally, I don't know what all this whinging about "hands in the back" is about. The rule is clear. What is wrong with using the body? All the players out there have hips and shoulders. Steve Johnson took a mark earlier in the year where he used his elbow to keep distance but his hands were in the air for the umpires to clearly see. He took the mark and the umpire had no problems with it. You can push in the side if both player are side by side. I think that the rule rewards the player who gets front position. Just don't put your hands in their back.
Yes, the rule is clear but the rule sucks...:mad: Why? Because it is SOFT.:mad::mad: It's a contact sport for cryin' out loud. If the player is pushed out of the contest pay a free kick. If a player rests his hands on the player in front then play on. Why the big deal about hands?:mad::mad::mad:
Think I'll go lie down now...
Damn! I missed it cause I had my head in my hands ruing another costly missed shat at goal. And the replay at the ground didn't show it. Can anyone post it or youtube it.
tiredcat
15 Jul 2007, 11:33
Yes, the rule is clear but the rule sucks...:mad: Why? Because it is SOFT.:mad::mad: It's a contact sport for cryin' out loud. If the player is pushed out of the contest pay a free kick. If a player rests his hands on the player in front then play on. Why the big deal about hands?:mad::mad::mad:
Think I'll go lie down now...
Whats tough? about playing behind and pushing your opponent out of the contest so there is no contest?.
In all sports contestants push the rules to the absolute limits. You only have to look at holding the ball and see how players have adapted and now tacklers are the ones taking the ball into their opponents and claiming holding the ball.
The only ones not adapting to the hands in the back rule are the dull witted dinosaurs
The rabbi
15 Jul 2007, 13:07
They also have their forearms. You can hold your ground with your forearm....but not your hands. Why? The effect is exactly the same. The reality is it's a daft interpretation that is totally unnecessary and should be done away with.
The rule is clear. No hands in the back. How much clearer does it have to be. As to the problem of interpretaion. That is a problem for the whole game. All tackles, body contest are open to the interpretation of the umpire.
I can't believe so many of you guys missed the mark, me and my friends went up with him and there was a beer shower for all in the AFL members :D
So the Brazilian took a specky over the Brazilian
;)
jess_555
15 Jul 2007, 23:01
I missed it too! I was at the game watching but I was looking at some other players at the time. Then i heard everyone go nuts and looked but only saw a glimpse of Chappy coming to the ground. Then the flippin replay was pathetic! Great camera work. I suppose it teaches me a lesson for being more focused on certain other players. ;)
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 23:11
Gazing at Steve Johnson again wondering if he is in the top 10 yet?
thejester
15 Jul 2007, 23:15
The rule is clear. No hands in the back. How much clearer does it have to be. As to the problem of interpretaion. That is a problem for the whole game. All tackles, body contest are open to the interpretation of the umpire.
And yet players are allowd to do exactly the same thing with their forearm. Wouldn't you be confused? The result on the contest is exactly the same, and you'll see plenty of players appealing in bemusement at the umpire as to why it wasn't their free. It happened on the weekend, but the blinding example was in the game against St Kilda. Corey was in front, Blake behind. Blake put down his forearm, held his ground against Corey, took the mark. Corey appealed to the umpire - why wasn't it a free? A gleeful Clinton Grybas provided the answer: because Blake had used his forearm and not his hands, it was perfectly legal, even though the effect on the contest was exactly the same. Grybas and Healey even went as far to say as it'd be on the DVD next year.
The reality is, the rule is daft. The alleged problem it was trying to solve (which wasn't a problem, but anyway) hasn't been solved, and the hands in the back rule gives players soft-as-butter frees (see Lucas) when it's paid. Poorly thought-out idea that needs to be scrapped at the end of the year.
Gazing at Steve Johnson again wondering if he is in the top 10 yet?
No.. gazing at Steve Johnson and wondering if he is drinking Gatorade out of the drink bottle or VB.
Great mark Chappy!!!!!! :thumbsu::)
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 23:17
Thats not even funny. Pretty piss-poor effort. You belong over in the Collingwood board for that stupid attack on one of our own.
Go on, pack your bags and don't forget to shut the door on the way out.
Hahaha.. awwww grow a sense of humour will ya. We on top of the ladder if you hadn't noticed. Will not be packing any bags anytime soon thank you very much. :p
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 23:21
If you think I was being serious that is rather sad...
I have a sense of humour, you are just a very unfunny, bland person :)
If you think I was being serious that is rather sad...
I have a sense of humour, you are just a very unfunny, bland person :)
Takes one to know one!!! CHECK MATE.
(I can also be quite immature at times too :p:D)
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 23:28
Thank you for proving my point.
Serious question... How do you put people on your ignore list?
EDIT - Found it.
Thank you for proving my point.
Serious question... How do you put people on your ignore list?
EDIT - Found it.
Well done little man!!
Next you'll be learning to tie your shoes. :)
jess_555
15 Jul 2007, 23:37
No.. gazing at Steve Johnson and wondering if he is drinking Gatorade out of the drink bottle or VB.
Great mark Chappy!!!!!! :thumbsu::)
LMAO
Hahaha.. awwww grow a sense of humour will ya. We on top of the ladder if you hadn't noticed. Will not be packing any bags anytime soon thank you very much. :p
HAHAHAHA
Takes one to know one!!! CHECK MATE.
(I can also be quite immature at times too :p:D)
LOL
Well done little man!!
Next you'll be learning to tie your shoes. :)
Hehehe good one ;)
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 23:39
Damn I can still see when quoted.
Jess, Shell = Saphire and Diamond Twin. We all remember them..
scottydeewah
16 Jul 2007, 01:22
You only have to look at holding the ball and see how players have adapted and now tacklers are the ones taking the ball into their opponents and claiming holding the ball.
I have never wanted to slap someone more in my entire life. If only there were no mods :mad:
thehoff
16 Jul 2007, 03:15
Anyone got a youtube link?
I'm in Zambia and are aching to see the grab. My word has the pocket news got a workout whilst over here.
cats2rise
16 Jul 2007, 10:43
Not that I can find, but ask YOTC in the stickied thread up the top of ourboard and I am sure he could get it for you :)
My5t3r10u5
16 Jul 2007, 23:05
Whats tough? about playing behind and pushing your opponent out of the contest so there is no contest?.
In all sports contestants push the rules to the absolute limits. You only have to look at holding the ball and see how players have adapted and now tacklers are the ones taking the ball into their opponents and claiming holding the ball.
The only ones not adapting to the hands in the back rule are the dull witted dinosaurs
If you read my post you'd see I have no problem with a free being given if a player uses their hands to PUSH another player out of the contest. What I object to is that a player resting their hands on another player without preventing them from contesting a mark is still penalised. Arguing that players should adapt does not address whether the rule is appropriate. We could have a rule that a player must skip whenever they have the ball and they would adapt to it but it would not be appropriate for the game. One of the things most people love about footy is it's physicality and this rule is killing it!
Anyone got a youtube link?
I'm in Zambia and are aching to see the grab. My word has the pocket news got a workout whilst over here.
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I can't believe so many of you guys missed the mark, me and my friends went up with him and there was a beer shower for all in the AFL members :D
Yeah you could see it coming as the ball left the boot! Chapman was ready.
cats2rise
18 Jul 2007, 22:11
Hmm re-watching that I realised that he didn't make 40m distance with the kick!
crosby123
18 Jul 2007, 22:22
Hmm re-watching that I realised that he didn't make 40m distance with the kick!
Jonno always underkicks a little to try to improve his accuracy. Often just stabs at the ball. Gets him in trouble a fair bit, though. Seen him kick about head-height at the goal only for a man on the line to mark a few times. Deliberately weak kicks, that is.
tiredcat
19 Jul 2007, 16:06
If you read my post you'd see I have no problem with a free being given if a player uses their hands to PUSH another player out of the contest. What I object to is that a player resting their hands on another player without preventing them from contesting a mark is still penalised. Arguing that players should adapt does not address whether the rule is appropriate. We could have a rule that a player must skip whenever they have the ball and they would adapt to it but it would not be appropriate for the game. One of the things most people love about footy is it's physicality and this rule is killing it!
Again nothing physical about holding your position with 2 hands planted firmly in your opponents back so he is not in the contest if anything it takes away from the physicality because there is no contest.
As for your skipping rule it may have some merit but I'd like to see it trialled maybe in pre-season cup next year first