View Full Version : If we don't win the premiership do we still keep Bomber?
No, this is not a negative post!! Just wondering what people's thoughts are on bomber Thompson staying on now that we are doing so well... What is the minimum requirement for Bomber to be re-signed? Let's face it, we have had an extremely good run with injuries, and if we had had a few and were a few more rungs down the ladder, would we still think Bomber is the man to take us all the way? I have had my doubts over Mark's coaching ability at times, but yesterday I thought he made some really good moves and matchups. I still think a top 4 finish is a minimum for Bomber to stay. What does everyone think now?
crosby123
15 Jul 2007, 19:42
Preliminary final appearance.
And_ROOS
15 Jul 2007, 19:53
If we make the Grand Final, keep him no matter the result, IF we go out in a close Preliminary its a toss of the coin.
Anything else is unacceptable considering how the team is going right now.
cats2rise
15 Jul 2007, 19:53
If we go out in straight sets in the finals, I will be very very unhappy.
If we miss the top 4, I will be very very unhappy.
This time last year, I had doubts that he would be able to coach us to the premiership. This year however, I have confidence. I would be keeping him on.
malvern
15 Jul 2007, 20:52
I've said it before - we have a window over the next 4 years with the core of this group - he should stay.
Big Nasty
15 Jul 2007, 21:19
I was calling for his head last year, but if things continue nicely and we atleast do good in the finals then I say give him a 3 year contract.
Cheshire Cat
15 Jul 2007, 21:36
Depends, depends, depends.
If we are hit hard by injuries and fail you might excuse him. If we absolutely capitulate come finals he's gone. I expect us at the very least to make the Grand Final this year, to be honest
Mr.Chicken
15 Jul 2007, 23:44
Depends, depends, depends.
If we are hit hard by injuries and fail you might excuse him. If we absolutely capitulate come finals he's gone. I expect us at the very least to make the Grand Final this year, to be honest
Still Round 15. I think really, looking at our position, a preliminary finals appearance is where we should get to. Our luck and form going into the finals will determine whether we get to the GF and win it
Cheshire Cat
15 Jul 2007, 23:53
Still Round 15. I think really, looking at our position, a preliminary finals appearance is where we should get to. Our luck and form going into the finals will determine whether we get to the GF and win it
I think we will finish top. If you finish top and don't make the GF it is unacceptable. Simple as that
Tough question. Interesting, how many grand final (or dare I say it.... premiership) coaches have been uncontracted at the end of the year? I would think there would be some other clubs inquiring at this stage. And for what its worth, I thought yesterday was one of his best performances at the club.
Some sections of the media seem to think that Sheedy has already done enough to keep his job; the bumbers have won seven out of fifteen.
Bomber Thompson's lads have won twelve from fifteen and this would seem to compare favorably.
It has taken bucket loads of blood, sweat and tears to get the Cats where they are, that is playing the a brand of footy with the obvious unity that they have displayed this season.
Let's be honest, on and off the field GFC is about as healthy as they could possibly be.
Why on earth would anybody want to try a new coach at this point in time?
Simple math tells you that more coaches fail than suceed.
Currently we are on a winner.
The grass may always appear to be greener on the other side, but don't leave a picnic to go looking for food.
CatmanForever
16 Jul 2007, 08:42
I was all for his sacking at the end of last season. I think he already has saved his job and will be resigned for probably another 2 years at the seasons end. maybe 3 years if we win the flag. But he has impressed me this year.
Mooney_d'King
16 Jul 2007, 12:31
Who knows what reasons there could be for not winnning the big one. Injury, fatigue, nerves etc etc. As this stage, it's not likely to be anything coaching related.
So I say, why would you consider getting rid of him?
At the start of this year my thoughts were a Geelong Premiership would be his only saving grace. I've softened on that a little, a GF final berth and he should stay. Short of that..... well he has had 8 years.
Finrod I agree with you that I thought he coached very well on Saturday(one example being moving Ottens onto Fraser in the first 5 mins after Blake was slaughtered). But I also have my doubts about him. e.g. Removing Ling from tagging Bell in the last quarter. Bell went nuts and kicked 3 goals. I like Sheedy because when things aren't going well, he's not afraid of really mixing things up. Bomber doesn't really do that and it drives me crazy. He tends to stick to the philosophy that our game plan will eventually come together.
But a lot of that is last season and the team is travelling very well. Bomber is no doubt doing a good job.
Ling Sting
16 Jul 2007, 13:54
I was all for his sacking at the end of last season. I think he already has saved his job and will be resigned for probably another 2 years at the seasons end. maybe 3 years if we win the flag. But he has impressed me this year.
agree. I wanted nothing more then bombers head to roll at the end of last year. But since the north game he has somehow managed to turn the group around.
At the very least he deserves a 1 year extension.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
16 Jul 2007, 14:01
Who even knows if he will want to stay? He may walk even if we go the whole way.
Tommy the Cat
16 Jul 2007, 14:32
he got us to where we are not and that in itself is a great feat, but like we keep saying, GFs are not won in July
kickingoals
16 Jul 2007, 16:55
i too wanted his head after the roos game this year , it appeared as if another season was going down the drain , and lets be honest he did himself no favours with some of his press confrences and comments at them !!!!
but with both sides premeirship favorites and playing the type of footy that is expected of a club with the list that is regarded as the best in the country he appears too have come good .
it is a hard thing too have a coach and list that complement each other and work hard for each other and you only need too look at freo and the saints who are struggling too make it work this year .
the roos pies and hawks all seem too be playing well for each other and seem too have a good balance also .
so at this minute in time he is safe and should be given another year maybe two , but anything less than a grand final would really be seen as failure also wouldnt it ?
and another grand final loss ***** well i dont want too even contemplate !!!!!!!
bloodycats
16 Jul 2007, 22:55
No, this is not a negative post!! Just wondering what people's thoughts are on bomber Thompson staying on now that we are doing so well... What is the minimum requirement for Bomber to be re-signed? Let's face it, we have had an extremely good run with injuries, and if we had had a few and were a few more rungs down the ladder, would we still think Bomber is the man to take us all the way? I have had my doubts over Mark's coaching ability at times, but yesterday I thought he made some really good moves and matchups. I still think a top 4 finish is a minimum for Bomber to stay. What does everyone think now?
At the moment, with our form being so good and lack of serious injuries, if we don't get to a preliminary final it's not just bomber but a real good look at the whole club is needed. I think we've benefitted from Neil Balme, he was a tough player and seems we've picked up some of his character. Even Bombers' after match interviews seem intense. He looks people in the eye and doesn't shrug and give ''I buggered if I know answers". Something really changed after the North debacle. Whatever it was, it has been fantastic.
Selwood07
17 Jul 2007, 09:10
At the moment, with our form being so good and lack of serious injuries, if we don't get to a preliminary final it's not just bomber but a real good look at the whole club is needed. I think we've benefitted from Neil Balme, he was a tough player and seems we've picked up some of his character. Even Bombers' after match interviews seem intense. He looks people in the eye and doesn't shrug and give ''I buggered if I know answers". Something really changed after the North debacle. Whatever it was, it has been fantastic.
It changed after Chapman's 'reality check'. Bomber never accepted that things were going from bad to .... last year. Even the 'crappy review' bit angered me. The players' reaction to Chapman and the cohesion of the coaching group have paid off - and given us a great launching pad for the flag - but that's all it is at the moment!
He has proven his ability to coach. Is an excellent teacher of football and the style of play that he has implemented has worked very successfully. If he wants the job next year it will be his. I think we all need to move on from the "issues" of last year and look to what has been achieved this year. He has the right structures in place, has been freed from other non-coaching duties and it is paying dividends.
If we go out in straight sets in the finals, I will be very very unhappy.
If we miss the top 4, I will be very very unhappy.
This time last year, I had doubts that he would be able to coach us to the premiership. This year however, I have confidence. I would be keeping him on.
Agreed.
The turnaround has been nothing short of exceptional. Not just on the board, but by all accounts a mental change and a new found confidence that for as long as I have supported the Cats, not seen in over 40 yrs.
I also had my doubts, but from the small tid bits of info that came out from the review, it highlighted a keen to work, but very over worked coach.
Input a few tweaks (inc Neil Balme) and a new approach to the structure and voila, we have a new look club that's hungry for success at all costs. The opposition mean nothing more than altering tactics and if the player isn't the right choice, he's not playing. (probably a 'few' exceptions to this rule ;) ) There's also been the input from the new fitness coach, that was a major issue last year for us.
I just know that to date, i'm happy with the endevour that they are currently applying to every game. Great stuff :thumbsu:
thirtyseven
18 Jul 2007, 22:29
Even if we win the grand final I'd be getting rid of him!!! Shit coach!!
Even if we win the grand final I'd be getting rid of him!!! Shit coach!!
:eek: Trying to work out whether you're being sarcastic or serious. :confused:
thirtyseven
18 Jul 2007, 23:19
:eek: Trying to work out whether you're being sarcastic or serious. :confused:
Im being serious!
Hood007
19 Jul 2007, 08:05
Im being serious!
How can we take anything you say seriously after such a ridiculous statement...
Ling Sting
19 Jul 2007, 12:19
Im being serious!
In the past I've been far then impressed with bomber. But as things stand you'd have to be happy with the way he's travelling.
cellis84
19 Jul 2007, 13:57
here r my thoughts on bomber. i never really rated him as a tactical coach, i still dont. to give him credit tho, he is improving, and i dont think he wld b stupid enough to take mooney from kicking goals at chf when we r 50 pts up and put him at centre half back again!
still 2 this day that is the most stupid coaching moves i have ever seen! however, has anyone thought that if we get rid of him, and even if on the off chance we get a good experienced coach like pagan or sheedy (not going to happen) it will take at least a yr 2 adapt there gameplan....?
i think if we capitulate this yr, we r damned if we do and damned if we dont. as i reckon our window is only gunna b about 2 yrs after this. guys like scarlo and tomek are now in there late 20s, and harley will struggle 2 play til he is more than 30 with his body.
so, in the end, as much as i dont rate him that much, we cld b worse off, might as well keep him.
crosby123
19 Jul 2007, 14:46
here r my thoughts on bomber. i never really rated him as a tactical coach, i still dont. to give him credit tho, he is improving, and i dont think he wld b stupid enough to take mooney from kicking goals at chf when we r 50 pts up and put him at centre half back again!
still 2 this day that is the most stupid coaching moves i have ever seen! however, has anyone thought that if we get rid of him, and even if on the off chance we get a good experienced coach like pagan or sheedy (not going to happen) it will take at least a yr 2 adapt there gameplan....?
i think if we capitulate this yr, we r damned if we do and damned if we dont. as i reckon our window is only gunna b about 2 yrs after this. guys like scarlo and tomek are now in there late 20s, and harley will struggle 2 play til he is more than 30 with his body.
so, in the end, as much as i dont rate him that much, we cld b worse off, might as well keep him.
Harley went off injured, someone had to go to Hunter who had swung forward. Didn't have much choice, really. Who is 'tomek'?
cellis84
19 Jul 2007, 15:34
sorry, tomek is tom harley. and we were 50 pts up, and absolutely killing them. lets say we left him at chf, and we kicked another 5 goals 4 the game and they kicked another 10, we still wld have won comfortably. i rest my case
crosby123
19 Jul 2007, 18:22
sorry, tomek is tom harley. and we were 50 pts up, and absolutely killing them. lets say we left him at chf, and we kicked another 5 goals 4 the game and they kicked another 10, we still wld have won comfortably. i rest my case
We were destroyed in the midfield. Ball wasn't going forward enough for us to kick five goals.
Hood007
19 Jul 2007, 18:26
We were destroyed in the midfield. Ball wasn't going forward enough for us to kick five goals.
Exactly.
That wasn't game lost purely because of coaching...
Duskfire
19 Jul 2007, 21:34
Thompson got alot of the blame last year because of how poor it was, which is fair enough he is the coach and he should be blamed to some extent. But the entire problem didn't rest squarely on his shoulders, as is shopwn this year (Thompson has changed, but he hasn't changed that much.)
However, while its easy to blame him, I don't see many people complimenting him on the team he has built up pretty much from scratch and their current playing style. 2004 we finished 4th, 2005 we finished 6th, and narrowly lost 2 finals in those years (both which we arguably could have won.) Last year was horrible sure, but going by this year he has 3 out of 4 reasonably good years. Now that isn't too damn bad, if you ask me.
Keep him.
Tonycam*
19 Jul 2007, 21:44
Thompson got alot of the blame last year because of how poor it was, which is fair enough he is the coach and he should be blamed to some extent. But the entire problem didn't rest squarely on his shoulders, as is shopwn this year (Thompson has changed, but he hasn't changed that much.)
However, while its easy to blame him, I don't see many people complimenting him on the team he has built up pretty much from scratch and their current playing style. 2004 we finished 4th, 2005 we finished 6th, and narrowly lost 2 finals in those years (both which we arguably could have won.) Last year was horrible sure, but going by this year he has 3 out of 4 reasonably good years. Now that isn't too damn bad, if you ask me.
Keep him.
Understand what your saying but I do think anyone could coach this side at the moment. And on top of all this Neil Balme should get a lot of the pats on the back for getting the best out of the Team and the coach
My5t3r10u5
19 Jul 2007, 23:20
I do think anyone could coach this side at the moment
That is a very insightful comment. And you have to ask "How did they become such a side?". I have always rated Bomber as a great developer of players and I think this is THE most important aspect of coaching. If I was on the board I would be voting to keep Bomber for sure.
cat in sydney
20 Jul 2007, 12:30
I do think anyone could coach this side at the moment.
That's what a lot of people said about the team of the mid nineties... Gary Ayres didn't have a lot of success with a great list that he inherited did he?
It's a combination of both... let's hope that it's the right one this year! :thumbsu: