View Full Version : Poll-Brooks or Rix
ChrisL#12
15 Jul 2007, 19:56
Brooks For Rix, one or the other. Brooks has upside, Rix does not. It's now time that we gave Brooks a crack at it, instead of playing Rix every game who's going nowhere fast. The decision must be made, who would you prefer to see playing ruck?
ChrisFooty
15 Jul 2007, 22:01
If Brooks is so good why doesn't he ever get picked? From what i have seen Rix >>>>Brooks.
The Punter
16 Jul 2007, 11:01
Rix is improving, his last month has been good, and see no need to move away from him now.
I'd like to see Brooks get a few games as a ruckman/forward with instructions to stay in the goalsquare when not rucking. No going up the ground no matter what his opponent does, meaning there's always someone at home for when there's a fast break.
Persevering Saint
16 Jul 2007, 14:45
We don't NEED another forward/ruckman - we've got Kosi, and we'll have Gardiner next year. Why bother with another one, that has had heaps of chances and pretty much blown them all. Lyon knows what he's doing with selections right now. Keep Rix, get rid of Brooks.
ruckman - we've got Kosi, and we'll have Gardiner next year. Why bother with another one, that has had heaps of chances and pretty much blown them all. Lyon knows what he's doing with selections right now. Keep Rix, get rid of Brooks.
I'd agree with that. With Kosi and Gardiner (I hope not any more) injury prone. We need a stable low cost backup. Kosi's game on the weekend was about the best I've seen him play
I'd like to see Brooks get a few games as a ruckman/forward with instructions to stay in the goalsquare when not rucking. No going up the ground no matter what his opponent does, meaning there's always someone at home for when there's a fast break.
I Still think Kosi's the FF after Gherig leaves or tandem with Roo. The Q's is though is Brooks better than Watts? I'd even rotate Gilbert through the 2 KP
I think as a list we are carrying quite a few big slow units, and perhaps too few 6' with a bit of pace
Also if we stick with Gardiner/Kosi/Rix we could look at some more 18yo?
I Still think Kosi's the FF after Gherig leaves or tandem with Roo. The Q's is though is Brooks better than Watts? I'd even rotate Gilbert through the 2 KP
I think as a list we are carrying quite a few big slow units, and perhaps too few 6' with a bit of pace
Also if we stick with Gardiner/Kosi/Rix we could look at some more 18yo?[/quote]
Words of wisdom. Also our young ruckmen is Van Rehaan. I'm not too sure about Gilbert on rotation just yet though.
We don't NEED another forward/ruckman - we've got Kosi, and we'll have Gardiner next year. Why bother with another one, that has had heaps of chances and pretty much blown them all. Lyon knows what he's doing with selections right now. Keep Rix, get rid of Brooks.
Damn straight. Personally i like Rix he puts in %110 each week although i believe he will be used sparingly when Gardi is fit.
Rix isnt hihgly skilled but we dont need that. We nedd a big body who can crash and bash after Kosi has set us up. He always gives 120% every time he plays. I love him in the team at the moment but next year he will be a Casey player cause big Mick "Our Savior" Gardiner will be back.
mad-saint-guy
18 Jul 2007, 20:20
Rix could give 700% but he is still a crap footballer. He has poor skills, ordinary ruckwork, can't read the play and is too short to even negate Sandilands, Cox, Street etc. Hawthorn determined that he wasn't worth a spot on their rookie list, and he really hasn't changed much as a player since then.
In Brooks' one game in which he was given more than 60 minutes of game time, he had more disposals, marks and goals than Rix has ever had in a game. He has been in awsome form with Casey, while Rix keeps on getting a game in the seniors so he can have his 3 disposals and 8 hitouts every week.
Brooks is a great kick, reads the play well, is a strong mark, has a massive leap (which makes up for his lack of height at centre bounces) and kicks goals. He lost all confidence in himself for a couple of years after he did his knee, but he has been playing outstanding footy in the reserves for the past 3 years. GT wrote him off after the game in the back pocket against Port...Hopefully Lyon hasn't written him off. In the 10-12 times I have seen him play over the past 3 years he has never been soft or lazy. He obviously had a brain-fade when he let the Port player take an uncontested mark up forward, but that is really the only glaring error I have ever seen him make.
NeXus_Helen
19 Jul 2007, 00:33
Rix is not up to AFL standard. He has the turning circle of the QE2. I really couldn't care less if he puts in 150% into each game...he is not AFL standard.
Barry Brooks would have been a permanent fixture in our team had he not done his knee 3 or 4 years ago. He is very agile for his height. He is a thumping kick, can take a pack mark and has a lot more pace than Rix.
Brooks should be told that he is in the team for the rest of the year. Give him some confidence and I am sure he will prove himself. In tandem with Kosi we would have a very mobile ruck combination that would also take turns in creating havoc in the forward line.
Rix on the other hand couldn't kick a goal if his life depended on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should get rid of Rix. He should be there as a backup.
Goose's Gal
19 Jul 2007, 11:56
Rix on the other hand couldn't kick a goal if his life depended on it.
Obviously you didn't see Rixy's first game against Sydney at the SCG..
NeXus_Helen
19 Jul 2007, 20:35
Obviously you didn't see Rixy's first game against Sydney at the SCG..
Yes I did, it was not a goal!!!!! I can't remember if it was touched or if it actually missed. I think it just missed and the umpire got it wrong. Could someone please confirm.
Fehring
19 Jul 2007, 21:40
Rix is not up to AFL standard. He has the turning circle of the QE2. I really couldn't care less if he puts in 150% into each game...he is not AFL standard.
Barry Brooks would have been a permanent fixture in our team had he not done his knee 3 or 4 years ago. He is very agile for his height. He is a thumping kick, can take a pack mark and has a lot more pace than Rix.
Brooks should be told that he is in the team for the rest of the year. Give him some confidence and I am sure he will prove himself. In tandem with Kosi we would have a very mobile ruck combination that would also take turns in creating havoc in the forward line.
Rix on the other hand couldn't kick a goal if his life depended on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should get rid of Rix. He should be there as a backup.
Kicked a nice one from the pocket against WC a few weeks back. Kosi had a shot from the same place and missed. I commented to my brother that Kosi is no Rixy.
Punter!
20 Jul 2007, 01:11
Rix is very similar to the jason blake conundrum:
You can't question his courage and enthusiasm, but his skills and football brain are not that of a 'quality' AFL player.
Ultimately, a better player could easily take his place. But that may never happen given our injury woes. Until then he deserves his place in the team.
I'd love to have the inside mail as to why Brooks hasn't really been tried this year..
Rix is very similar to the jason blake conundrum:
You can't question his courage and enthusiasm, but his skills and football brain are not that of a 'quality' AFL player.
Ultimately, a better player could easily take his place. But that may never happen given our injury woes. Until then he deserves his place in the team.
I'd love to have the inside mail as to why Brooks hasn't really been tried this year..
If we accept that Gardiner and Kosi are our first choice ruckman and our young guy is developing. We also have to accept that we need a cheap backup who is not injury prone. Rix is it, I would like to see Brooks given another go, but there must be a reason why he hasn't.
Goose's Gal
23 Jul 2007, 11:16
Yes I did, it was not a goal!!!!! I can't remember if it was touched or if it actually missed. I think it just missed and the umpire got it wrong. Could someone please confirm.
Well I guess you made the trip up to Sydney, sat in the rain and watched it for yourself right?
Well I did, and it looked like a goal from where i was sitting. But i guess you had a better view from your chair infront of your television, if you even bothered to watch it.
B Train
23 Jul 2007, 20:04
Rix is massively limited in all aspects of his game. But he has a bigger crack than anyone out on the field, they r the players i like.
BrianSpeaking
23 Jul 2007, 20:12
Brooks has had nearly 7 years in the system for less than 10 games, get rid of him, is soft mentally. Rix does his job and also tackles.
ChrisFooty
23 Jul 2007, 22:49
It's clear Ross Lyon doesn't rate brooks. He has been in good form for Casey, but still gets no recall.
If Brooks was delisted, would you think he would attract intrest from another club ?
Persevering Saint
24 Jul 2007, 07:38
The other factor is Van Rheenan. When we've got Kosi, Gardiner, Van Rheenan, Rix, why would we bother with Brooks? Because he can play forward?! Hah! We have more forwards than we know what to do with now.
Lyon inherited the list, because it was settled before he arrived. If he'd had his way, Brooks wouldn't even be there now.
bubblegoose
24 Jul 2007, 15:38
Yes I did, it was not a goal!!!!! I can't remember if it was touched or if it actually missed. I think it just missed and the umpire got it wrong. Could someone please confirm.
I think it was his first kick. It deflected off the back of the post once through, but goal umpire was already turning his head away. So it was paid.
ChrisL#12
24 Jul 2007, 19:13
The other factor is Van Rheenan. When we've got Kosi, Gardiner, Van Rheenan, Rix, why would we bother with Brooks? Because he can play forward?! Hah! We have more forwards than we know what to do with now.
Lyon inherited the list, because it was settled before he arrived. If he'd had his way, Brooks wouldn't even be there now.
Van Rheenan is a rookie and hasn't shown enough to warrant the tag of "saviour". He has been OK but nothing out of the ordinary. Brooks could be brilliant if he has got his confidence back. But that may never return. I believe it's the gamble that Lyon has to make. C'mon Ross, give Brooksy a crack at it.
mad-saint-guy
24 Jul 2007, 20:12
It's clear Ross Lyon doesn't rate brooks. He has been in good form for Casey, but still gets no recall.
If Brooks was delisted, would you think he would attract intrest from another club ?
Earlier in the year Lyon seemed very keen to get Brooks into the side. He was named an emergency for the first few games, came into the side and was then a late exclusion for the next couple of weeks. Since he did his hammy I don't think he has even been an emergency, despite being in great form with Casey.
If Brooks was delisted then I have no doubt that he would end up at another AFL club. He is much better than anyone Carlton have in the ruck and would be second choice at Richmond (behind Simmonds).
mad-saint-guy
24 Jul 2007, 20:20
The other factor is Van Rheenan. When we've got Kosi, Gardiner, Van Rheenan, Rix, why would we bother with Brooks? Because he can play forward?! Hah! We have more forwards than we know what to do with now.
Lyon inherited the list, because it was settled before he arrived. If he'd had his way, Brooks wouldn't even be there now.
As previously mentioned, van Rheenen has been in ok form in the reserves, but I don't think he's actually been named in the best yet. He holds his own against most VFL level rucks, but is a long way behind Gardiner, Kosi, Clarke, Rix, Brooks and even Blake. His skill level isn't great and he doesn't get a heap of the footy around the ground. He has made big improvement over the past six months, but we shouldn't go into the future assuming that he will be our number one ruckman for 10 years.
More forwards than we know what to do with?
1. Riewoldt - Gun player but not a reliable goal kicker. Best suited to leading up the wings
2. Gehrig - An erratic goal kicker who goes missing too often. Probably his last season
3. Watts - Completely unproven at AFL level and is producing similar results to Brooks (when he was playing forward) in the VFL
Then the players who can swing forward and take a grab are Kosi, Gardiner, Brooks and maybe Allen.
Nick off
25 Jul 2007, 22:40
next year G-Train is out and Kosi can play full forward all year and win the coleman medal.
mad-saint-guy
27 Jul 2007, 18:02
Well I guess you made the trip up to Sydney, sat in the rain and watched it for yourself right?
Well I did, and it looked like a goal from where i was sitting. But i guess you had a better view from your chair infront of your television, if you even bothered to watch it.
It hit the post. Replays showed that it was clearly the wrong decision and even Rix himself agrees that it hit the post (talked about it last year on the saints radio program).
Goose's Gal
30 Jul 2007, 17:51
It hit the post. Replays showed that it was clearly the wrong decision and even Rix himself agrees that it hit the post (talked about it last year on the saints radio program).
As far as I'm concerned, if the umpire calls it a goal, it's a goal.
You people are unbelievable. Talk about turn on your own. If he pulls on the red, white and black then he's alright by me.
puppy_dog7
30 Jul 2007, 18:06
Rix is way better because he is more agile and so far he seems to be goin alright in the ruck anyway
ChrisL#12
30 Jul 2007, 18:17
Rix is way better because he is more agile and so far he seems to be goin alright in the ruck anyway
Definately not more agile than Brooks. True, he is going alright, but maybe it is time to see what Brooksy can do as he was a first round draft pick. The question is, do we settle for potentially second best or see what Brooks can produce rather than delist him at the end of the year after we had given up so much to get him.
ChrisFooty
30 Jul 2007, 21:52
Definately not more agile than Brooks. True, he is going alright, but maybe it is time to see what Brooksy can do as he was a first round draft pick. The question is, do we settle for potentially second best or see what Brooks can produce rather than delist him at the end of the year after we had given up so much to get him.
He played against the western bulldogs and hawthorn (Round 3 & 8) I might of got the games wrong, but he has played two games this year. I didn't see him produce anything special at all.
His round 22 match against the Lions last year wasn't that good. Yes, he kicked three goals in the second quarter, but how often did the ball rebounded out of our foward 50? If the G-train was playing full foward for that quater (instead of brooks) he would of kicked 5-6. I don't think that three goals was actually that good (st.kilda dominated that quarter and lots of supply was heading to our foward 50 direction)
ChrisL#12
5 Aug 2007, 16:29
Brooksy with 4 goals for Casey this week. Surely due for a game. Doc Clarke for Brooks this week hopefully.
rix definately is my pick he looks the goods hes young and good build i think hes got a good future:thumbsu:
mad-saint-guy
5 Aug 2007, 21:43
rix definately is my pick he looks the goods hes young and good build i think hes got a good future:thumbsu:
He's almost 27, he can't kick, he can't mark and he gets beaten regularly in the ruck. Why does he have a good future?
NeXus_Helen
5 Aug 2007, 21:51
I'm with you mad-saint-guy. Rix's future is in the VFL. I admit he tries very hard, but he can not get the ball. How many times has he had more than 10 posessions? How many goals has he kicked? He is as bad if not worse than Trent Knobel.
I can not understand why most people on this site prefer Rix to Brooks.!!!!:confused:
ChrisFooty
5 Aug 2007, 22:41
Brooks - four goals and named in the best. I don't think the saints would drop doc clarke for Brooks. Could they play both Brooks and Doc, in the same team? I would say no, unless Brooks played the majority of the game as a forward.
ChrisL#12
5 Aug 2007, 22:48
Doc has done nothing all year. Great tap ruckman but in today's game you need mobility as well as the ability to win the hitouts, and he can't run. He's good in the first 10 minutes of games but runs out of steam too quickly.
Doc Clarke isnt excatly setting the world on fire.. does absolutley nothing around the grounds.
BTW id have Rix over Brooks.
mad-saint-guy
5 Aug 2007, 22:51
Rix's future is in the VFL. I admit he tries very hard, but he can not get the ball. How many times has he had more than 10 posessions? How many goals has he kicked? He is as bad if not worse than Trent Knobel.
In his 27 games Rix has had more than 10 disposals ONCE. He had his career-high 11 disposals (just 5 kicks) playing against Josh Fraser last year (Fraser had 20 disposals including 13 kicks and a goal).
Brooks in his 10 games (averaging about 40% game time) has also had over 10 disposals just once. He had 15 disposals, 8 kicks, 7 marks, 3 goals and 7 hitouts in 100 minutes of game time. His possession total and mark total are both higher than Rix's personal best, while he equal's Rix's career goal tally in that one game.
Rix is nothing but an undersized Trent Knobel. Knobel did nothing around the ground, but at least he won plenty of hitouts. Rix is an inanimate log around the ground and is consistently beaten in the ruck. If Brooks came in he would probably be beaten in the ruck as well, but at least he could hurt the opposition going the other way (ala Kosi).