View Full Version : Are we recruiting right?
Sorry to sound stupid, but I have been in the US over the last 2 years and being in Perth, I don't get too see alot of the games, but here is my question!
I went to the Freo / Carlton game a few weeks ago, and I didn't even know who half the players were, and some of the players playing looked pretty bloody average to put it nicely,
I saw that Murphy guy play a great game the other week,
#1 Walker looks the goods and will only get better over the next year
#6 Kade Simpson looks good?
Dunno bout this Russel kid
and really I'm not even sure who were our draft picks over the last two years and who of them are going to be future stars?
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, just have been away and aren't sure if our recruiting has been good over the last few years and maybe it is too early...
Cheers guys
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 15:01
Our recruiting is very poor.
Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Simpson (Not Star, but very very good) are the only potential superstars on our list.
I said it last november and I will continue to say it. Drafting Hampson and Grigg in the top 20 in the super draft was a pathetic decision.
We have too many slow players, Carrazzo (The best of them all, maybe a bit harsh), Bentick, Blackwell, Hartlett and so on.
We draft duds like Ackland (AKA Hackland), McLaran, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and the list goes on and on.
There are so many more negatives I can put in but im at work so im rushing.
This years draft is a chance for us to draft a rare talent in Kruzer and also get a gun mid either Masten, Cotchin or palmer. If we win another game we can say goodbye to Kruzer and live with duds like ackland, mclaran etc.
Our recruiting is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, forgot to mention Russell, just another wasted top 10 pick.
carlton 4ever
16 Jul 2007, 15:56
Our recruiting is very poor.
Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Simpson (Not Star, but very very good) are the only potential superstars on our list.
I said it last november and I will continue to say it. Drafting Hampson and Grigg in the top 20 in the super draft was a pathetic decision.
We have too many slow players, Carrazzo (The best of them all, maybe a bit harsh), Bentick, Blackwell, Hartlett and so on.
We draft duds like Ackland (AKA Hackland), McLaran, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and the list goes on and on.
There are so many more negatives I can put in but im at work so im rushing.
This years draft is a chance for us to draft a rare talent in Kruzer and also get a gun mid either Masten, Cotchin or palmer. If we win another game we can say goodbye to Kruzer and live with duds like ackland, mclaran etc.
Our recruiting is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, forgot to mention Russell, just another wasted top 10 pick.
god your impatient grigg was an all australian under 18s player named on the wing so he is as good as anyone fairenough that russell has so far been a dispointment but he still with the right guidence and expierience become a star.
as for saying that we have only three players with superstar potential i think you left waite and kennedy out. waite is finally becoming a consistant and damaging utiltiy who is primed for a breakout season.
as for kennedy he is a second year center half forward we all know that he is going to take a while to develop and if he played for a team like collingwood whos onfield leaders and development staff are second to none he might have already become a gun
only time will tell if our recruiting has been any good
RiteBak@Ya
16 Jul 2007, 16:10
We have recruited poorly.
In recent years we have gone for light framed, reasonable tall mids/ KP with a bit of speed.
We need hard footballers with good awareness/ good hands/ good skills that have no fear.
We need a blueprint - quickly.
RiteBak@Ya
16 Jul 2007, 16:13
Our recruiting is very poor.
Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Simpson (Not Star, but very very good) are the only potential superstars on our list.
I said it last november and I will continue to say it. Drafting Hampson and Grigg in the top 20 in the super draft was a pathetic decision.
We have too many slow players, Carrazzo (The best of them all, maybe a bit harsh), Bentick, Blackwell, Hartlett and so on.
We draft duds like Ackland (AKA Hackland), McLaran, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and the list goes on and on.
There are so many more negatives I can put in but im at work so im rushing.
This years draft is a chance for us to draft a rare talent in Kruzer and also get a gun mid either Masten, Cotchin or palmer. If we win another game we can say goodbye to Kruzer and live with duds like ackland, mclaran etc.
Our recruiting is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, forgot to mention Russell, just another wasted top 10 pick.
Cotchin could hardly get a kick in the championships. wasn't mentally strong enough to deal with tags.
BlueYoss
16 Jul 2007, 16:19
We have recruited poorly.
In recent years we have gone for light framed, reasonable tall mids/ KP with a bit of speed.
We need hard footballers with good awareness/ good hands/ good skills that have no fear.
We need a blueprint - quickly.
and yet another thing notably lacking from our onfield performances is genuine legspeed... :rolleyes:
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 16:20
god your impatient grigg was an all australian under 18s player named on the wing so he is as good as anyone fairenough that russell has so far been a dispointment but he still with the right guidence and expierience become a star.
as for saying that we have only three players with superstar potential i think you left waite and kennedy out. waite is finally becoming a consistant and damaging utiltiy who is primed for a breakout season.
as for kennedy he is a second year center half forward we all know that he is going to take a while to develop and if he played for a team like collingwood whos onfield leaders and development staff are second to none he might have already become a gun
only time will tell if our recruiting has been any good
sorry, i did forget wait. Kennedy is still a bit of a worry, but i do understand that he needs time.
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 16:21
and yet another thing notably lacking from our onfield performances is genuine legspeed... :rolleyes:
Agree! Agree! Agree! Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 16:22
Cotchin could hardly get a kick in the championships. wasn't mentally strong enough to deal with tags.
3 average games doesn't make a poor player. He still should go top 3.
[ToTTi]
16 Jul 2007, 16:44
I think alot of people underrate genuine quality footskills. I'd be inclined to say that given a target to hit out of 10 attempts many on our list would struggle to hit it at more than 50% on the run.
Our footskills are woeful. Not going to name names, but I really hope we pick up some kids whose ability to hit a target is first rate.
'Butchering the ball' is not just a silly 'Paganism', its a reason as to why we are so bad.
deluxeman
16 Jul 2007, 16:57
Recruiting right is only half the job. Developing our players the correct way is just as important and I think thats where some of our youngsters have been let down.
Frankly when a player makes his debut, he needs to be assured of at least a few games in the firsts, instead of being dropped the following week.
Also the lack of communication between the Bullants and the seniors is evident. When our youngsters play in the Bullants and are then promoted they play different positions in the AFL. Furthermore, some of our players are struggling to find a consistent position in the team and are being moved around way too much.
In terms of recruiting though, I think Hughes has done a pretty good job in the last couple of drafts. Not too sure about the 2004 draft as I think we would have done better drafting Wood ahead of Russell in hindsight. However the last couple of drafts have been reasonably successful with Murphy, Kennedy and Bower in 2005 showing some good signs and already Gibbs, Grigg and Anderson coming along very nicely from last year, as well as impressive performances so far in the VFL from Benjamin and Austin.
We really need to get some more development coaches in that spend one on one time with the youngsters. It seems like Swann is aware of this and has already made some moves to assure this happens. :thumbsu:
DamianBis
16 Jul 2007, 17:12
totti, you mean a player like gibbs, Stevens, Simmo, Murphy, Scotland ETC??
ericpascoe
16 Jul 2007, 17:27
Our recruiting is very poor.
Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Simpson (Not Star, but very very good) are the only potential superstars on our list.
I said it last november and I will continue to say it. Drafting Hampson and Grigg in the top 20 in the super draft was a pathetic decision.
We have too many slow players, Carrazzo (The best of them all, maybe a bit harsh), Bentick, Blackwell, Hartlett and so on.
We draft duds like Ackland (AKA Hackland), McLaran, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and the list goes on and on.
There are so many more negatives I can put in but im at work so im rushing.
This years draft is a chance for us to draft a rare talent in Kruzer and also get a gun mid either Masten, Cotchin or palmer. If we win another game we can say goodbye to Kruzer and live with duds like ackland, mclaran etc.
Our recruiting is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, forgot to mention Russell, just another wasted top 10 pick.
Crap and more crap
You would have no idea how good Grigg / Hampson might be, nor for that matter, the other players taken around them in the draft. We wont know for a number of years.
As for Russell, taken @ pick 9, have a look who went at 8 and 10. Meesen (yet to play a game) and Egan (cannot get a game)
More uninformed drivel
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 17:31
Our recruiting is very poor.
Murphy, Gibbs, Walker and Simpson (Not Star, but very very good) are the only potential superstars on our list.
I said it last november and I will continue to say it. Drafting Hampson and Grigg in the top 20 in the super draft was a pathetic decision.
We have too many slow players, Carrazzo (The best of them all, maybe a bit harsh), Bentick, Blackwell, Hartlett and so on.
We draft duds like Ackland (AKA Hackland), McLaran, Saddington, Teague, Bannister and the list goes on and on.
There are so many more negatives I can put in but im at work so im rushing.
This years draft is a chance for us to draft a rare talent in Kruzer and also get a gun mid either Masten, Cotchin or palmer. If we win another game we can say goodbye to Kruzer and live with duds like ackland, mclaran etc.
Our recruiting is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes, forgot to mention Russell, just another wasted top 10 pick.
Crap and more crap
You would have no idea how good Grigg / Hampson might be, nor for that matter, the other players taken around them in the draft. We wont know for a number of years.
As for Russell, taken @ pick 9, have a look who went at 8 and 10. Meesen (yet to play a game) and Egan (cannot get a game)
More uninformed drivel
And have a look who was drafted after russell. Monfries and Bate. OPen your eyes. Our recruiting is trash.
wizardcupfinalblues
16 Jul 2007, 17:33
sorry, i did forget wait. Kennedy is still a bit of a worry, but i do understand that he needs time.
Kennedy is an absolute dud IMO- he falls over every time the ball gets near him (which is a rare occurance) and he can't take a mark. :thumbsd::thumbsd:
Gilly1972
16 Jul 2007, 17:37
[quote=ericpascoe;8131640]
And have a look who was drafted after russell. Monfries and Bate. OPen your eyes. Our recruiting is trash.
And what are the clubs who passed on Kerr, Hird and Dal Santo thinking now??
THis is a rubbish statement. Drafting is an inexact science...players develop at different rates, some look like they have improvement left int hem and it never happens...some get into a professional system where they flourish.....impossible to predict with 100% accuracy. How many clubs would be upset that Kade got through to pick 45 now??
At least cool down and think your argument thrugh logically before posting
Recruiting is never an exact science, and that is the way it will always be. The problem Carlton have had in recent years is no-one to work one on one with the kids on our list, and really develop them properly. For instance, Paul Bower has NEVER had any one-on-one coaching. With the introduction of the developement coaches next year, I really think that this will fast-track some of the kids.
And what are the clubs who passed on Kerr, Hird and Dal Santo thinking now??
THis is a rubbish statement. Drafting is an inexact science...players develop at different rates, some look like they have improvement left int hem and it never happens...some get into a professional system where they flourish.....impossible to predict with 100% accuracy. How many clubs would be upset that Kade got through to pick 45 now??
At least cool down and think your argument thrugh logically before posting
Just keep fighting the good fight Gilly. God knows it is hard, but we'll continue to fight.
carlton 4ever
16 Jul 2007, 17:41
Kennedy is an absolute dud IMO- he falls over every time the ball gets near him (which is a rare occurance) and he can't take a mark. :thumbsd::thumbsd:
people were saying roughhead was a dud in his second year and now there saying that he might be the next dominate forward people on this website have no patience what so ever. i think kennedy has huge potential and could become more important than both gibbs and murphy structure wise
peter1979
16 Jul 2007, 17:48
yes lets all come down hard on our team and players.
it was only the last two seasons the hawks were on the recieving end of some pretty darn bad losses.
two years in a row the hawks were canned by port to the tune of 127 and 96 points.
look at them this year.
in 2004 the eagles were smashed by the saints by 101 points and gehrig kicked 11, where were they a year later.
in 1992 the hawks crushed the dons by a record of 160 points, where were the dons a year later?
we got rid of alot of players whether its due to delisting or retirement.
guys like livingston, french, deluca, davies, sporn, prendagast, bryan and more that left.
we have some great players on the rise, as soon as they reach 50 to games plus easch, well then we will get some results
Monkey King
16 Jul 2007, 18:33
;8131121']I think alot of people underrate genuine quality footskills.
Our footskills are woeful. Not going to name names, but I really hope we pick up some kids whose ability to hit a target is first rate.
'Butchering the ball' is not just a silly 'Paganism', its a reason as to why we are so bad.
Been thinking this for a while myself. Disappointed we seemed to go for speed and athleticism with our 2nd & 3rd picks in last years draft, despite queries existing over foot skills. Especially as this has been a noted weakness on our list for a few years now.
I can recall a couple of years ago Clarkson stating the Hawks were only going to draft young guys who had displayed quality foot disposal. This was his vision for his teams future.
This has appeared to pay of, with Wallace noting of the Hawks from the weekends match
I think they're the most skilful foot skill side in the competition at the moment - especially from the back end. Their use of the ball is outstanding and it hurt us all day.
Be a long time before we hear this said about the Blues I'd imagine.
Hughes it seems has a different vision for the Blues, one packed with tall, speedy guys, irrespective of perceived foot skills.
I'm no expert, so I'll leave it up to those who are to openly criticise Carlton's recruiting, but I will watch with interest over the ensuing years to see whose strategy was superior.
BluesRules
16 Jul 2007, 19:31
I understand that All clubs have overlooked top players in the draft, but we seem to miss more than others
ericpascoe
16 Jul 2007, 19:53
[quote=BluesRules;8131712]
And what are the clubs who passed on Kerr, Hird and Dal Santo thinking now??
THis is a rubbish statement. Drafting is an inexact science...players develop at different rates, some look like they have improvement left int hem and it never happens...some get into a professional system where they flourish.....impossible to predict with 100% accuracy. How many clubs would be upset that Kade got through to pick 45 now??
At least cool down and think your argument thrugh logically before posting
Hey Gilly, somehow you've made it look like the Bate/Monfries bit is my quote. It's not. I am on the same boat as you - look back at the posts and you will see that I made the point about Russell vis a vis Meesen and Egan
AndyWalkersGirl
16 Jul 2007, 20:00
Recruiting right is only half the job. Developing our players the correct way is just as important and I think thats where some of our youngsters have been let down.
Frankly when a player makes his debut, he needs to be assured of at least a few games in the firsts, instead of being dropped the following week.
Also the lack of communication between the Bullants and the seniors is evident. When our youngsters play in the Bullants and are then promoted they play different positions in the AFL. Furthermore, some of our players are struggling to find a consistent position in the team and are being moved around way too much.
In terms of recruiting though, I think Hughes has done a pretty good job in the last couple of drafts. Not too sure about the 2004 draft as I think we would have done better drafting Wood ahead of Russell in hindsight. However the last couple of drafts have been reasonably successful with Murphy, Kennedy and Bower in 2005 showing some good signs and already Gibbs, Grigg and Anderson coming along very nicely from last year, as well as impressive performances so far in the VFL from Benjamin and Austin.
We really need to get some more development coaches in that spend one on one time with the youngsters. It seems like Swann is aware of this and has already made some moves to assure this happens. :thumbsu:
Correct :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
Has been our biggest let down at the club. Thank God Swann is on board.
[ToTTi]
16 Jul 2007, 21:42
totti, you mean a player like gibbs, Stevens, Simmo, Murphy, Scotland ETC??
What do you mean?
Are you asking whether the players listed are who I meant have poor footskills? I already said I won't name names, but the fact of the matter is many of our players don't possess the ability to consistently hit targets on the run, with their preferred foot (not to mention their non-preferred!).
Been thinking this for a while myself. Disappointed we seemed to go for speed and athleticism with our 2nd & 3rd picks in last years draft, despite queries existing over foot skills. Especially as this has been a noted weakness on our list for a few years now.
I can recall a couple of years ago Clarkson stating the Hawks were only going to draft young guys who had displayed quality foot disposal. This was his vision for his teams future.
This has appeared to pay of, with Wallace noting of the Hawks from the weekends match
Be a long time before we hear this said about the Blues I'd imagine.
Hughes it seems has a different vision for the Blues, one packed with tall, speedy guys, irrespective of perceived foot skills.
I'm no expert, so I'll leave it up to those who are to openly criticise Carlton's recruiting, but I will watch with interest over the ensuing years to see whose strategy was superior.
Yeah spot on mate, I was going to use the Hawks as an example. Rarely do their players miss targets so I've noticed.
I really do think people don't measure the importance of quality footskills, especially for a side like us who defensive pressure on the rebound (see coast-to-coast goals scored against) is terrible.
sorry, i did forget wait. Kennedy is still a bit of a worry, but i do understand that he needs time.
So Kennedy needs time but Hampson and Grigg are pathetic already. Right.
I really don't know what you guys expect of the kids these days. They are arguably in the worst team in the AFL, certainly have the least quality senior players on the list, and are being coached by someone who is probably 2-3 years past his use by date. They have no one-on-one help from any one at the club (soon to be rectified though) and they have had to put up with all sorts of off-field garbage.
C'Mon guys, give them a break. Anyone who has played any sort of competitive sport knows that once you are out there in the heat of battle, you want to win at all costs. At ALL costs
AndyWalkersGirl
16 Jul 2007, 22:03
Recruiting is never an exact science, and that is the way it will always be. The problem Carlton have had in recent years is no-one to work one on one with the kids on our list, and really develop them properly. For instance, Paul Bower has NEVER had any one-on-one coaching. With the introduction of the developement coaches next year, I really think that this will fast-track some of the kids.
Geez. That's pretty bad if the situation has been like that at the club. These poor kids!:thumbsd:
Geez. That's pretty bad if the situation has been like that at the club. These poor kids!:thumbsd:
Take that as gospel AWG. My source is impeccable.
AndyWalkersGirl
16 Jul 2007, 22:13
people were saying roughhead was a dud in his second year and now there saying that he might be the next dominate forward people on this website have no patience what so ever. i think kennedy has huge potential and could become more important than both gibbs and murphy structure wise
Exactly.
If only more people on here had the ability to reason adn think like this.
Exactly.
If only more people on here had the ability to reason adn think like this.
Yep, if only AWG....
thylacine60
16 Jul 2007, 22:47
Exactly.
If only more people on here had the ability to reason adn think like this.
You mean if only more people agreed with you.
peter1979
17 Jul 2007, 12:50
Just keep fighting the good fight Gilly. God knows it is hard, but we'll continue to fight.
Been thinking this for a while myself. Disappointed we seemed to go for speed and athleticism with our 2nd & 3rd picks in last years draft, despite queries existing over foot skills. Especially as this has been a noted weakness on our list for a few years now.
dont worry about the footskills, u watched that benjamin kid, couple weeks back he kicked 3 running goals, hard to catch, seems he is too good for the bullants.
I can recall a couple of years ago Clarkson stating the Hawks were only going to draft young guys who had displayed quality foot disposal. This was his vision for his teams future.
Clarko is young and vibrant, we need someone like that as our coach
This has appeared to pay of, with Wallace noting of the Hawks from the weekends match
again ur spot on dude, the hawks are the surprise package.
Be a long time before we hear this said about the Blues I'd imagine.
hope not, we could do something special next year, if we get the priority picks
Hughes it seems has a different vision for the Blues, one packed with tall, speedy guys, irrespective of perceived foot skills.
I'm no expert, so I'll leave it up to those who are to openly criticise Carlton's recruiting, but I will watch with interest over the ensuing years to see whose strategy was superior.
im with u, we might turn it around sooner than later