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KnockOut
16 Jul 2007, 18:58
With the throw ups during the Fev debacle alot of over the top and high value trades were suggested. With another bottom two finish should Dick Pratt's get whoever at whatever cost come into affect. Polak would've been a handy inclusion last year but Carlton are very proppy come trade time.
I don't want past it players, I would rather trade for young guns at whatever the cost. So who do you think would be reasonable to trade for.
Collin Sylvia
Justin Sherman
Andrew Welsh
Sean Rusling
Kane Tenace
Mark Williams
Beau Muston
Steven Salopek
Brent Staker
Jamie Graham
All young and reasonably solid players. They won't come cheap but Carlton needs to cut their losses and move forward at this stage of rebuilding.
bLuEbOy1984
16 Jul 2007, 19:03
if anyone Steven Salopek.. thats it.. maybe even Jamie Charman from Brissy
But i woulod NEVER GET RID of the FEV
Bentick's My Man.
16 Jul 2007, 19:05
Out of that group I really rate Colin Sylvia and Sean Rusling.
Steve Salopek is a gun.
But for a player like Fevola, we can do a hell of a lot better.
The only reasonable deal there i would take is something like
Fevola + 3rd Round Pick
for
Salopek + 2nd Round Pick
Even that sounds a little cheap
truebluenavyblues
16 Jul 2007, 19:07
Out of that group I really rate Colin Sylvia and Sean Rusling.
Steve Salopek is a gun.
But for a player like Fevola, we can do a hell of a lot better.
The only reasonable deal there i would take is something like
Fevola + 3rd Round Pick
for
Salopek + 2nd Round Pick
Even that sounds a little cheapI would also like to have Steven Salopek but for Fev? I wish we could get one of the Cornes brothers but unfortunately i doubt it would happen.
Didn't Salopek sign on again with the Power recently.
Shame as he is probably the best player in that list.
truebluenavyblues
16 Jul 2007, 19:09
agree but i think we could get a few other guys.
With the throw ups during the Fev debacle alot of over the top and high value trades were suggested. With another bottom two finish should Dick Pratt's get whoever at whatever cost come into affect. Polak would've been a handy inclusion last year but Carlton are very proppy come trade time.
I don't want past it players, I would rather trade for young guns at whatever the cost. So who do you think would be reasonable to trade for.
Collin Sylvia
Justin Sherman
Andrew Welsh
Sean Rusling
Kane Tenace
Mark Williams
Beau Muston
Steven Salopek
Brent Staker
Jamie Graham
All young and reasonably solid players. They won't come cheap but Carlton needs to cut their losses and move forward at this stage of rebuilding.
Those are the type of players we should target. OF those, only 1 team has 2 or more - West Coast. I'd try and get a trade of somethign like Staker, Graham and West Coast's first and second round picks for Fev and our third-round pick. Or, get a third team involved, and go for say
We get: Staker, West Coast's first round pick, Tenace, Geelong's second round pick
West Coast get: Fev, Geelong's third round pick
Geelong get: our third round pick, West Coast's second round pick
If we were to trade Fev, the 2 clubs we should be dealing with is Sydney and West Coast. These 2 teams are lacking in a great power forward and their teams are still primed to win one in the next 1-3 years.
walkers a legend
16 Jul 2007, 21:51
i would be looking for surgeon he looks like a decent player
I thought that Salopek was still under contract with Port. Would still take him as part of the Fev deal if we could get it over the line.
all those players u named are shitkickers , even so no players wanna come play for carlton , carltons finished ..... unless a reputed free bargaining trade agreement gets thru.
all those players u named are shitkickers , even so no players wanna come play for carlton , carltons finished ..... unless a reputed free bargaining trade agreement gets thru.
Not much of an over reaction there mate. :eek:
I would think quite the opposite actually. We are finally get our act together off field, and it's going to be only a matter of time before we get our act together on it.
KnockOut
16 Jul 2007, 22:32
This thread was by no means Fevola related. Feel free to throw in other players as part of the deal. The list is by no means star studded but an approach we should take, some of the players listed would excel at a young club like Carlton.
Edit: What would/could we give up to get Collin Sylvia? I really rate him as a flashy Sam Mitchell and great around goals.
Master of Cooks
16 Jul 2007, 22:40
Fev is a match winner. How many of those people on that list are going to become match winners. No many if any IMO.
Anyhow, we don't need young midfielders, we need backmen. Someone like a Matt Maguire, or someone similar. We need a key defender that we can develop our younger defenders around so that when they come into the team they aren't playing on the best forwards all the time.
Im happy to give any club in the mix, Lappin and Whitnall along with Teague, for possibly any player in that list LOL :)
Seriously Lappin could still be good at another club, hes got a couple of years left, Teague has past it and Whitnall the same,
whats peoples thoughts?
Dramoth
17 Jul 2007, 04:04
Im happy to give any club in the mix, Lappin and Whitnall along with Teague, for possibly any player in that list LOL :)
Seriously Lappin could still be good at another club, hes got a couple of years left, Teague has past it and Whitnall the same,
whats peoples thoughts?
Big Red will be part of the development program for the club next year... I think that he will assess his knee problems at the end of August and probably bite the bullet for the team and retire... (instant life membership for him if he does I reckon)...
Skinny still has a couple of years left for us. Teague is probably gone at the end of the year anyway...
Doesnt leave us a lot of trade bait really. I would only be putting Fev's name into the mix if he has another brain explosion...
Da Bull
17 Jul 2007, 08:18
Another brain explosion = no currency.
Time to take sentiment out and make a real hard decision. Trading Fev could lead to a poss 4 1st round picks.
1st pick - PP, 2nd - pick 3 - 4, next two picks somewhere in the 1st round for Fev (hopefully market value).
This could land us Kreuzer, Palmer, Morton etc... Obviously depending on where they fall.
I really think it's worth exploring.
Justin Sherman was phenomenal last year but has been poor this year. Could be worth looking into, because on form he would come cheap - but I'm just not sure why he's gone backwards this year.
thylacine60
17 Jul 2007, 12:23
Justin Sherman was phenomenal last year but has been poor this year. Could be worth looking into, because on form he would come cheap - but I'm just not sure why he's gone backwards this year.
Definitely worth further analysis :thumbsu:.
blueskies
17 Jul 2007, 12:33
Are these players who are out of contract or looking to move? If not then this is a waste of time. No offense but it's so hypothetical.
surely we wouldn,t trade fev and after him there isn't much left
beatlesmith
17 Jul 2007, 13:11
Hansen+rosa+3rd pick for fev
Barry Zuckercorn QC
17 Jul 2007, 13:24
With the throw ups during the Fev debacle alot of over the top and high value trades were suggested. With another bottom two finish should Dick Pratt's get whoever at whatever cost come into affect. Polak would've been a handy inclusion last year but Carlton are very proppy come trade time.
I don't want past it players, I would rather trade for young guns at whatever the cost. So who do you think would be reasonable to trade for.
Collin Sylvia
Justin Sherman
Andrew Welsh
Sean Rusling
Kane Tenace
Mark Williams
Beau Muston
Steven Salopek
Brent Staker
Jamie Graham
All young and reasonably solid players. They won't come cheap but Carlton needs to cut their losses and move forward at this stage of rebuilding.
:D:D:D
Did you think nobody would pick that up?
Reminds me of that scene in "Old School" where the wedding band singer is singing "Total Eclipse of The Heart" and drops the F-bomb catching everyone off guard thinking did he really say that?: "*****' every now and then I fall apart and I need you now tonight. I *****' need you more than ever".
The Grover
17 Jul 2007, 14:54
If Pavlich decides to head home, Port are desperate to get him.
Port will be looking to get a early draft pick (to trade with Freo), do they have anything worthwhile for us to contemplate giving away a 1st round draft pick, or swapping 1st round picks & get a player.
Salopek
Chaplin (is this guy any good, how come he's not playing at the moment).
Gray
Just putting some options out there.
Still like the possibility of getting any 2 of Kruezer,Palmer,Morton,Rioli,Cotchin.
KnockOut
17 Jul 2007, 16:40
Are these players who are out of contract or looking to move? If not then this is a waste of time. No offense but it's so hypothetical.
They are 'potential' guns of the competition who so far haven't lived up to expectation. As hypothetical as they are they are still relatively easy targets.
What about Brent Prismall?
blueskies
17 Jul 2007, 17:14
Collin Sylvia - they won't want to give up one of their kids and has had injuries
Justin Sherman - he won't be going anywhere
Andrew Welsh - he won't be going anywhere
Sean Rusling - he won't be going anywhere
Kane Tenace - no thanks
Mark Williams - would go to wa if anywhere
Beau Muston - the guy has only just started
Steven Salopek - wouldn't give up much for him
Brent Staker - ok
Jamie Graham - nah
[ToTTi]
17 Jul 2007, 17:20
Collin Sylvia - they won't want to give up one of their kids and has had injuries
Justin Sherman - he won't be going anywhere
Andrew Welsh - he won't be going anywhere
Sean Rusling - he won't be going anywhere
Kane Tenace - no thanks
Mark Williams - would go to wa if anywhere
Beau Muston - the guy has only just started
Steven Salopek - wouldn't give up much for him
Brent Staker - ok
Jamie Graham - nah
I woudn't trade for any of those guys bar Sherman and Salopek. Both would be hard to get in my opinion and we'd definitely be paying over the odds. Would anyone be interested in making a play for young Freo ruckman Robbie Warnock? I think he is originally a Vic boy.
didnt Salopek say a couple years ago that he wanted to come to carlton on the news?...
Salopek resigned so count him out.
KnockOut
17 Jul 2007, 19:54
Kane Tenace - no thanks
For a bloke that continually has gotten as much game time as Kennedy I rate him as a decent prospect. With a bit of development work he wasn't getting (had to compete with the Abblets, Bartel etc at the club) he could turn out to be a very good player. Pick 25 or there abouts?
For a bloke that continually has gotten as much game time as Kennedy I rate him as a decent prospect. With a bit of development work he wasn't getting (had to compete with the Abblets, Bartel etc at the club) he could turn out to be a very good player. Pick 25 or there abouts?
Dont want to trade Fev but if we went down that track would look at Kenace and what do you think about Hunt from the catters as well guys
TheGeneral
17 Jul 2007, 20:44
With the throw ups during the Fev debacle alot of over the top and high value trades were suggested. With another bottom two finish should Dick Pratt's get whoever at whatever cost come into affect. Polak would've been a handy inclusion last year but Carlton are very proppy come trade time.
I don't want past it players, I would rather trade for young guns at whatever the cost. So who do you think would be reasonable to trade for.
Collin Sylvia
Justin Sherman
Andrew Welsh
Sean Rusling
Kane Tenace
Mark Williams
Beau Muston
Steven Salopek
Brent Staker
Jamie Graham
All young and reasonably solid players. They won't come cheap but Carlton needs to cut their losses and move forward at this stage of rebuilding.
Why have you listed Beau Muston and Rusling as solid players? :confused:
They've shown less than Russell and Bower and have huge question marks against their names in regards to injury.
Pass on Tenace.
Dont want to trade Fev but if we went down that track would look at Kenace and what do you think about Hunt from the catters as well guys
This board is getting worse.
bluegal1983
17 Jul 2007, 20:53
Any hope of luring Nick Dal Santo to the club has been quashed today.
He and Nick Riewoldt both signed 3 year deals today.
It's become a sad state of affairs if all we can look forward to as Carlton fans is who we can pick up and when Pagan will get the chop.
There is still 7 games left for the season, never thought I'd see our mood so bad while the team is still playing H&A games.
It's a shame, it really is.. :-(
If Pavlich decides to head home, Port are desperate to get him.
Port will be looking to get a early draft pick (to trade with Freo), do they have anything worthwhile for us to contemplate giving away a 1st round draft pick, or swapping 1st round picks & get a player.
Salopek
Chaplin (is this guy any good, how come he's not playing at the moment).
Gray
Just putting some options out there.
Still like the possibility of getting any 2 of Kruezer,Palmer,Morton,Rioli,Cotchin.
Chaplin's promising but is highly rated by Port. Is coming back from injury at the moment so hasn't seen much action thru the mid part of this season.
deluxeman
17 Jul 2007, 21:42
Unless we trade Fev, chances are we won't be involved in any trades.
We are better off, just using all our picks and possibly using one PSD pick if there is anything decent there (which is unlikely).
As much as we'd like to grab a young promising player from another club, it is very unlikely to occur.
The Grover
18 Jul 2007, 11:02
Chaplin's promising but is highly rated by Port. Is coming back from injury at the moment so hasn't seen much action thru the mid part of this season.
Port are going to have to part with something decent to get Pavlich.
Chaplin would be perfect for our backline.
Port are going to have to part with something decent to get Pavlich.
Chaplin would be perfect for our backline.
Yer charlie would fit into comedy act down back real well:)
Jeremias
18 Jul 2007, 20:15
David Johnson/Brent Prismall
Antoni Grover
Jeremias
18 Jul 2007, 21:21
Would we consider trading to Geelong our 2nd rounder for David Johnson and their 2nd round pick?
I bloody well hope so!
Blue Dimension
18 Jul 2007, 22:27
I'd definately go for Sherman and Mark Williams, but i doubt either club will trade them off.
What about Angus Monfries from the dons? Impressive kid, probably underachieved a bit this year. I noticed in the Herald Sun the other day Sheeds had named his 2007 side and who he expects to have in his side in 2010. It listed dempsey, johns, etc - but not monfries.
If thats the way sheeds is thinking, then we should nab him i reacon. He'd be more than a handy inclusion.
Free Willy
18 Jul 2007, 22:29
Hansen+rosa+3rd pick for fev
I'd almost take it.
AndyWalkersGirl
18 Jul 2007, 22:32
I'd almost take it.
I'd take it.
TheBrownDog
18 Jul 2007, 22:41
Definitely worth further analysis :thumbsu:.
Sherman is in the first year of a three year contract.
Won't be traded.
TheGeneral
18 Jul 2007, 23:00
Hansen+rosa+3rd pick for fev
Why would Carlton want with Hansen?
Hansen is a good lead up centre half forward, but we already have Kennedy and Hartlett who appear to be best suited to playing in the forwardline. Hansen isn't a goalkicker and a go to forward like Fevola who can kick 80 goals playing for a poor team.
Would Carlton even bother using the third round pick which is likely to be after pick 50?
Ripped off.
I'd take it.
Is that you Sticks? :p :D
Completely agree with you... wtf would we want Hansen for and Rosa?
Get real
The two current AFL players I'd most like to see on our list next year would be Sherman and Brent Prismall!
But then theres Kreuzer, Cotchin, Masten, Ebert, Morton, Palmer, Rioli and Maric who I want two.
Lets add these ten blokes to our list to go along with Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Kennedy, Waite, Fisher, Carrazzo!
Then we will have to get good eventually!!!!! :thumbsu::D
KnockOut
26 Jul 2007, 17:20
Sherman, Rusling, Jones, Hunt and Kelly all named as trade bait in the Australian Football forum.
If only Geelong needed something then we could work out a good threesome. By the way does anybody see Rusling as a replacement to Fevola, leading wise?
Blue Dimension
26 Jul 2007, 17:49
Not really a fan of Rusling. We're better off drafting someone tall who can take a strong mark.
Sherman is the guy i think Carlton should really look into. Simmo and him running off half back would be dynamite.
I wouldn't touch Kelly. I mentioned during the week that Geelong might look into trading him. Imo hes even more of a girl than Houlihan, and thats saying something.
KnockOut
26 Jul 2007, 20:32
Not really a fan of Rusling. We're better off drafting someone tall who can take a strong mark.
Sherman is the guy i think Carlton should really look into. Simmo and him running off half back would be dynamite.
I wouldn't touch Kelly. I mentioned during the week that Geelong might look into trading him. Imo hes even more of a girl than Houlihan, and thats saying something.
I do rate Sherman highly and these are the types of blokes we should go hard for instead of 100% into Pav & Judd etc.. I would be happy with one if not both of Sherman or Rusling.