View Full Version : Pagan Vs Mitchell How The Hell
blues1985
16 Jul 2007, 19:12
:thumbsd:How the hell do we expected our young players to understand what the hell is going on playing under 2 coaches who don't even talk to each other.This is a bloody joke you can't tell me there using the same game plan when mitchell is after pagans job?.Come on swanny piss them both off a lets get real and give a kids a clear path that than can mature into the players we need to bring the 17th flag back home to princess park.
vossy come on down & bring the passion back to carlton
Bentick's My Man.
16 Jul 2007, 19:20
Hmmm..
The biggest problem with all this is that Mitchell steals our young talent but plays them in dodgy positions and not helping their development.
For example Teague no.1 midfielder in Ants!!! Give young Blues a go.
Morrell no.1 forward in Ants!!! Piss him off and give the whole forward half to Kennedy and give him a crack rather than rucking the poor fella in the 1's!
Work together you goons for the benefit of the Club not your own ****ing egos!!!
Bosustow
16 Jul 2007, 22:46
Two grown men in a professional sport not talking to each other, I think they both should grow up!
A great example to the younger players in the team, it's all a bit sad really.
I know that I'm one wanting Pagan to go... but if I had to pick between Pagan and Mitchell, I'd pick Pagan.
Mitchell is a bit of a wiesel, something about him I don't like.
Blue Thunder
16 Jul 2007, 23:05
:thumbsd:How the hell do we expected our young players to understand what the hell is going on playing under 2 coaches who don't even talk to each other.This is a bloody joke you can't tell me there using the same game plan when mitchell is after pagans job?.Come on swanny piss them both off a lets get real and give a kids a clear path that than can mature into the players we need to bring the 17th flag back home to princess park.
vossy come on down & bring the passion back to carlton
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
Not so sure that Ratten and Bradley should be excused either. At the very least, they should be re-inerviewed
bourbons
17 Jul 2007, 13:24
Yep, its embarassing.
Work it out you muppets!
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
hopefully so
Its been spoken of in other threads. There are probably contractual issues that need to be worked through.
A bloody head on a stick may appease unhappy fans.
Carlton isn't going to throw money away paying people out if they don't have to.
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
Was just about to write the same thing.
IMO poor form by both mitchell and pagan,
what is worse is that the club created this monster and then allowed the monster to remain.
blueskies
17 Jul 2007, 13:52
It's a bit of a worry seeing Saddington and Morrell playing as the two key forwards for the Bullants. That's real good development of our young talls. :confused:
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
why exclude bradley and ratten and not crosisca?
Da Bull
17 Jul 2007, 14:06
It's a bit of a worry seeing Saddington and Morrell playing as the two key forwards for the Bullants. That's real good development of our young talls. :confused:
This is the problem with a dual identity club. The Ants side of things wants wins and Carlton want development of their palyers. At this stage neither works.
Will be better next year if and when they sevre and become stand alones.
This is the problem with a dual identity club. The Ants side of things wants wins and Carlton want development of their palyers. At this stage neither works.
Will be better next year if and when the sever and become stand alones.
Spot on Tommy. Next year will be a watershed year in the life of the Carlton Footy Club.
In terms of being aligned with a VFL club, does the AFL club actually pay for appoint the coach of the affiliate?
If not, then really what can an AFL club do to keep things clean between them and the VFL affiliate.
If Bullants are so desperate to keep alignement with us, you'd think they'd be concerned about Mitchell potentially harming that alignment.
EddieBettsIsAChamp
17 Jul 2007, 19:22
agreed. For the kids to learn, they have to shapen up.
drusswaylander
17 Jul 2007, 20:09
It's highly likely that neither will be at the club next year. A complete change of coaching staff (excluding Bradley and Ratten) will occur.
You would think that both would go. We probably need to do something with Sticks being on the MC as well. We need a new start and some new people looking at our list:thumbsu:
I've never been more confident that the right decisions will be made going forward in all areas. I get the feeling Swann has been given a charter to fix the club and has the class to respect Kernahan in the process. Pratt & Swann will be Costa & Cook + 20%
Blue Thunder
17 Jul 2007, 21:53
why exclude bradley and ratten and not crosisca?
Lets just say that there has been discussion on the impact to existing the staff if a change in senior coach occurs, and has been agreed that both would be required (subject to Ratten not being appointed a senior role elsewhere).
Both Bradley and Ratten have made an enormous impact on the playing group this year, especially with the younger players learning the game.
Crossisca is good value but probably doesnt have the same degree of support from key people at the club.
Blue Thunder
17 Jul 2007, 21:57
You would think that both would go. We probably need to do something with Sticks being on the MC as well. We need a new start and some new people looking at our list:thumbsu:
There has been additional focus on the list and additional resources analysing it. Let me assure you that Swan has full authority from RP to pull out all stops to re-energize and restructure the current playing list. We will be active in the trade period as well as in the process of targeting a number of high profile out of contract players.
Dramoth
17 Jul 2007, 22:02
Lets just say that there has been discussion on the impact to existing the staff if a change in senior coach occurs, and has been agreed that both would be required (subject to Ratten not being appointed a senior role elsewhere).
Both Bradley and Ratten have made an enormous impact on the playing group this year, especially with the younger players learning the game.
Crossisca is good value but probably doesnt have the same degree of support from key people at the club.
I think that Ratten, Bradley and Crossisca will retain their jobs when the shakeup comes and the new coach comes in. But I do think that they will actually start working with the proper groups of players rather than where they are now...
I dont think that the head coach is going to be Ratts anymore. I think that it is more likely going to be McKenna.
deluxeman
17 Jul 2007, 22:07
I think that Ratten, Bradley and Crossisca will retain their jobs when the shakeup comes and the new coach comes in. But I do think that they will actually start working with the proper groups of players rather than where they are now...
Agree that Ratten, Bradley and Crosisca should stay. Also think Dempsey will stay. However, Libba, Daniher and Mitchell will probably be packing their bags along with Pagan.
Am still hoping that Ratten gets the senior job and would really hate to lose him to another team, however I doubt he will leave us for another assistant role and will only leave if he is offered a senior coaching position.
There has been additional focus on the list and additional resources analysing it. Let me assure you that Swan has full authority from RP to pull out all stops to re-energize and restructure the current playing list. We will be active in the trade period as well as in the process of targeting a number of high profile out of contract players.
Well, we can cross Dal Santo and Riewoldt off that list.
TorresIsGod
17 Jul 2007, 23:35
Well, we can cross Dal Santo and Riewoldt off that list.
Well, I didn't want Revolting anyway, but I wanted Dal Santo
BlueWorld
18 Jul 2007, 00:05
Lets just say that there has been discussion on the impact to existing the staff if a change in senior coach occurs, and has been agreed that both would be required (subject to Ratten not being appointed a senior role elsewhere).
Both Bradley and Ratten have made an enormous impact on the playing group this year, especially with the younger players learning the game.
Crossisca is good value but probably doesnt have the same degree of support from key people at the club.Surely a new coach would want full control over who his support staff are.
Dramoth
18 Jul 2007, 03:28
Agree that Ratten, Bradley and Crosisca should stay. Also think Dempsey will stay. However, Libba, Daniher and Mitchell will probably be packing their bags along with Pagan.
Am still hoping that Ratten gets the senior job and would really hate to lose him to another team, however I doubt he will leave us for another assistant role and will only leave if he is offered a senior coaching position.
Agreed, the only way that we are going to lose Ratts as part of our coaching staff is if he is offered a senior coaching possie...
And I reckon that if he is offered a contract as a senior coach somewhere else, he will think about it and if there isnt a similar contract coming from the blues, he will take it.
and in a couple of years, if there is a position as senior coach open at the blues, he will be the first applicant...
The boy is blue... through and through
Surely a new coach would want full control over who his support staff are.
you would hope so
one of the success' hawthorn and clarkson have had is that clarkson has full control over which assitants he works with.
obviouslt the board have endorsed the appointments, but at no stage did the club dictate to him who he should have as an assistant.
Blue Thunder
18 Jul 2007, 14:04
Well, we can cross Dal Santo and Riewoldt off that list.
Yes that is a shame as we certainly chased Dal Santo quite hard. I can tell you as a result we have driven the price higher than it would have been.
Dont dispair yet there are still others on the table.
Also Guy McKenna's stocks have risen with some members of the Administration, Swan is definately in favour of McKenna but Sticks is leaning towards Voss.
Yes that is a shame as we certainly chased Dal Santo quite hard. I can tell you as a result we have driven the price higher than it would have been.
Dont dispair yet there are still others on the table.
Also Guy McKenna's stocks have risen with some members of the Administration, Swan is definately in favour of McKenna but Sticks is leaning towards Voss.
I'll back Swann has RP's ear over Sticks so Bluey is favourite for the job. I'd be more than happy with him. Cheers BT
AndyWalkersGirl
18 Jul 2007, 20:25
Well, I didn't want Revolting anyway, but I wanted Dal Santo
I agree completely :);)
I'll back Swann has RP's ear over Sticks so Bluey is favourite for the job. I'd be more than happy with him. Cheers BT
Me too.
Jimthegreat
19 Jul 2007, 13:29
I know that I'm one wanting Pagan to go... but if I had to pick between Pagan and Mitchell, I'd pick Pagan.
Mitchell is a bit of a wiesel, something about him I don't like.Gee, that's a good reason. Just gotta love those thought-provoking statements that come out on here. Imagine preferring our current situation. What's Mitchell actually one wrong. Certainly not his work with the Bullants. At least we may have won some games under Mitchell and played like we actually wanted to win. If a new coach gets in all his own assistants then Mitchell may or may not go. Don't care who goes as long as Pagan's gone.
Jimthegreat
19 Jul 2007, 13:31
Hmmm..
The biggest problem with all this is that Mitchell steals our young talent but plays them in dodgy positions and not helping their development.
For example Teague no.1 midfielder in Ants!!! Give young Blues a go.
Morrell no.1 forward in Ants!!! Piss him off and give the whole forward half to Kennedy and give him a crack rather than rucking the poor fella in the 1's!
Work together you goons for the benefit of the Club not your own ****ing egos!!!Mitchell is not Carlton's Reserves coach. His first responsibility is towards winning games for the Bullants and the Bullants Administration. And he has to do that anyway he sees fit.