If carlton, melb and rich dont win a game what happens with the drafts

[Kenneth]

If carlton, melb and rich dont win a game for the rest of the year what picks do carlton get??? I hope we dont win enymore its a complete waste if we dont try and play for picks. Maybe next year will be better:o

[Cyborg_]

If carlton, melb and rich dont win a game for the rest of the year what picks do carlton get??? I hope we dont win enymore its a complete waste if we dont try and play for picks. Maybe next year will be better:o


Melbourne and Richmond get a 2nd round PP and Carlton get a !st round PP.

Its 4 wins or less to get an extra 2nd round pick for 1 year and the same criteria for 2 years in a row to get an extra 1st round.

So if it stays as it is now

Carlton 1 (extra pick)
Richmond 2
Melb 3
Carlton 4
Brisbane 5





Geelong 17 (its done after finals but forgetting that for now)
Richmond 18 (extra pick)
Melb 19 (extra pick)
Richmond 20
Melb 21
Carlton 22



Geelong 35

Hope that makes sense

[ericpascoe]

Impossible because Carlton and Melbourne play each other again.

So if Carlton lose, Melbourne win and therefore (probably) go above us.

Therefore

Carlton 1
Richmond 2
Carlton 3
Melbourne 4

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Carlton and Melbourne play each other in round 22. If it is a draw or Carlton win and neither team wins another match, picks will be:

Richmond 1
Melbourne 2
Carlton 3
-----------
Richmond 17
Melbourne 18
Richmond 19
Melbourne 20
Carlton 21

If Melbourne win and neither team wins any other games:

1. Carlton
2. Richmond
3. Carlton
4. Melbourne
------------------
18. Richmond
19. Melbourne
20. Richmond
21. Carlton
22. Melbourne

etc

[Kenneth]

i hope we don't win any more:)

[Aussie Joe]

i hope we don't win any more:)

You need help my friend:(

[Scruff83]

i hope we don't win any more:)

You are a pathetic excuse for a supporter. What if this #1 pick turns out to be overhyped? We win 4 games for the year, lose our last 10, the losing culture grows even bigger, and we go in to next year with no confidence whatsoever.

I would much prefer a couple more wins, at least we will have improved on last year and avoided another spoon.

[HBF]

We do need a couple of wins for the remainder of the season. I really believe that this will do the playing list a world of good, and give them some much needed confidence going into the preseason.

[Johnny Utah #9]

We do need a couple of wins for the remainder of the season. I really believe that this will do the playing list a world of good, and give them some much needed confidence going into the preseason.

I couldn't agree more.

How many early draft picks do we want? We will only just waste them on hacks like Russell and Kennedy.

We need to get smarter with our recruiting. Heck, Westhoff from Port went at pick 71 last year, why didn't our recruiters know about him?

[douls]

I couldn't agree more.


We need to get smarter with our recruiting. Heck, Westhoff from Port went at pick 71 last year, why didn't our recruiters know about him?

ah, but they did know about him, they just chose to ignore him in the draft

[stickman11]

If carlton, melb and rich dont win a game for the rest of the year what picks do carlton get??? I hope we dont win enymore its a complete waste if we dont try and play for picks. Maybe next year will be better:o

Considering Melb versus carlton rd 22, this is hardly likely.

[BlueWorld]

Considering Melb versus carlton rd 22, this is hardly likely.Might be the first ever nil all draw!!!

[douls]

Might be the first ever nil all draw!!!

might be hard as we dont have a problem scoring and we certainly dont seem to have a problem letting the opposition score ;)

[strat]

go blues win at all cost

[EddieBettsIsAChamp]

Were loking at another 1st pick

[TheGeneral]

How many early draft picks do we want? We will only just waste them on hacks like Russell and Kennedy.
I can't hack braindead posts like this when they're posted via someone's arse.
We need to get smarter with our recruiting. Heck, Westhoff from Port went at pick 71 last year, why didn't our recruiters know about him?
Why did Port overlook Westhoff and let him to "fall" to pick 71 if they knew he was that good?

I wonder why Port didn't draft Westhoff in the second round if he was that good.
ah, but they did know about him, they just chose to ignore him in the draft
What exactly is wrong with the players we drafted ahead of Westhoff?

Think. :rolleyes:

Then post.

Westhoff would look shocking if he was playing for Carlton and trying to mark our pathetic delivery into the forwardline. He'd probably be slaughtered in the ruck like Kennedy and lucky to play more than five minutes in the forwardline before being dragged.

[Thrawn]

hope we dont win enymore its a complete waste if we dont try and play for picks.

Oh for ****s sake.

Screw your mentality, and your attitude. We will never, ever win a flag with it. You're hoping that these picks will actually work, and somehow one day they will all suddenly click together. Tell me, do you actually know how this 'clicking' happens? It's certainly not because of how many PPs we have either.

[EddieBettsIsAChamp]

Oh for ****s sake.

Screw your mentality, and your attitude. We will never, ever win a flag with it. You're hoping that these picks will actually work, and somehow one day they will all suddenly click together. Tell me, do you actually know how this 'clicking' happens? It's certainly not because of how many PPs we have either.
Couldn't have been said better

[Johnny Utah #9]

I can't hack braindead posts like this when they're posted via someone's arse.

Why did Port overlook Westhoff and let him to "fall" to pick 71 if they knew he was that good?

I wonder why Port didn't draft Westhoff in the second round if he was that good.

What exactly is wrong with the players we drafted ahead of Westhoff?

Think. :rolleyes:

Then post.

Westhoff would look shocking if he was playing for Carlton and trying to mark our pathetic delivery into the forwardline. He'd probably be slaughtered in the ruck like Kennedy and lucky to play more than five minutes in the forwardline before being dragged.


I personally think our recruiting has been an absolute disgrace since the AFL Draft came in. For far too many drafts we have either traded away 1st & 2nd round selections on duds such as Glenn Hawker, Craig Devonport, Stephen O'Reilly and Mick Mansfield or drafted youngsters who either are not up to standard (eg: Jordan Russell, Murray Vance and Trent Sporn) or taken the wrong player ahead of someone better (eg: Josh Kennedy).

Ironically, the best bit of recruiting we did was in 2002 when we were stripped of picks and we picked up bargain selections in Fisher & Simpson late in the draft.

We need to put the resources into recruiting that the likes of Collingwood are in order to reap rewards like they have with the likes of Clarke and Pendlebury.

[TheGeneral]

I personally think our recruiting has been an absolute disgrace since the AFL Draft came in. For far too many drafts we have either traded away 1st & 2nd round selections on duds such as Glenn Hawker, Craig Devonport, Stephen O'Reilly and Mick Mansfield or drafted youngsters who either are not up to standard (eg: Jordan Russell, Murray Vance and Trent Sporn) or taken the wrong player ahead of someone better (eg: Josh Kennedy).

Ironically, the best bit of recruiting we did was in 2002 when we were stripped of picks and we picked up bargain selections in Fisher & Simpson late in the draft.

We need to put the resources into recruiting that the likes of Collingwood are in order to reap rewards like they have with the likes of Clarke and Pendlebury.
It's still early to call Russell a dud given the way Pagan's handled him and the fact we haven't been able to spend as much on development. I'm confident the likes of Kennedy, Bower, Austin, Grigg, etc. can make as big an impact as Thomas, Goldsack, Pendlebury, etc. with the right coaching and development.

It would also help if they were PLAYED ON THE GROUND for more than five minutes. ;)

Pendlebury was pick five in the draft, so he isn't a very good example of a player who was picked late first round and turned out to be a gun like a Daniel Kerr.

What makes Martin Clarke so special?

He's a titch.

I'd rather have two extraordinary athletic big men like the O'hAilpins than a vanilla midget like Clarke. Both O'hAilpins can run like wingmen despite being 200 cm tall man mountains and have a lethal case of white line fever. Carlton have had more success in picking Setanta from the game of hurling when he hasn't played as much "football" as Clarke. The rate at which Carlos has improved in just two years is unbelievable when he hasn't grown up with the game. Big men normally take longer to develop yet Carlos has played ruck, forward and down back.

You can find a player like Clarke in your own backyard.

Collingwood's recruiting is so good they picked Egan at ten.

[Pafloyul]

Oh gord!

Can't everyone get some perspective? :rolleyes:

How are we expected to recruit "intelligently" with late selections if all we are fated to get with early picks are "duds"? If that is not a glaring contradiction then I've never seen one.

You still have to be in a position to be able to pick the right players. The point is not whether Westoff deserved to go at pick 71 but rather being able to pick a player like him late on top of who you select with your early draft picks. You can be as smart as you like but if the player you were after is already gone the likelihood is that plan ‘B’ will not be as good as plan ‘A’. Development is important but if the opposition have got that part right too and have got the ‘team’ and ‘coaching’ issues covered as well then it comes down to individual talent.

We can’t just ‘will’ success.

[TheGeneral]

Hampson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austin>>>Westhoff.

[Bluebear]

We do need a couple of wins for the remainder of the season. I really believe that this will do the playing list a world of good, and give them some much needed confidence going into the preseason.
Agree that 2 wins will give us some confidence (not much, but some) as it will double the wins from this year to last (and who knows, maybe even save the coach :D).

What about 1 win though.

Looking at our run home, the Dees game is the only one I think we can win.

Is the positive from finishing on a winning note going to outweight picking up the best ruck talent this year, especially considering our ruck stocks.

Win at all costs, until round 22, when if we are still on 4 wins.......TANK.

[james Dean]

Hampson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austin>>>Westhoff.
Based on? The order they went in the draft?

[Mr.X]

Let's get get through the rest of the season rather than worrying about picks...

[mightymightyblues]

You are a pathetic excuse for a supporter. What if this #1 pick turns out to be overhyped? We win 4 games for the year, lose our last 10, the losing culture grows even bigger, and we go in to next year with no confidence whatsoever.

I would much prefer a couple more wins, at least we will have improved on last year and avoided another spoon.

Tell me a number 1 draft choice that hasnt lived up to expectation? Besides michael gardiner ofcourse who had off field issues which affected his career.

[Scruff83]

Tell me a number 1 draft choice that hasnt lived up to expectation? Besides michael gardiner ofcourse who had off field issues which affected his career.

Yeah thats fair enough, u got me there. It's not the point though. You can pick up good players anywhere in the draft if the people in charge know what their doing. And the fact remains, we need to start winning games to turn the attitude of the club around.

[TheGeneral]

Based on? The order they went in the draft?
Talent and potential.

The great Justin Westhoff turns 21 this year and has two to three years on Hammer and Oz who are just 19 and 18 years of age. We should be happy with the players we've got and show some patience, but "we" keep looking over our neighbours fence and complaining their grass is greener.

If we rated Westhoff as a better 21 year old forward or ruck than Hampson and Austin, we would have picked him instead of those two boys at 17 and 35. We wouldn't pick Westhoff on top of them since our list is top heavy as it stands.

And it appears we might select an elite ruck prospect in this draft.

Hampson, Grigg, Austin, Benjamin and Anderson were good choices and give us a better structured list going forward. Hampson has a bigger upside than Westhoff IMHO and will be worth the wait when he's ready for senior footy.

Carlos, not Saddington, might mind Westhoff in the next game against Port. ;) :cool:

[Calcium Man]

I personally think our recruiting has been an absolute disgrace since the AFL Draft came in. For far too many drafts we have either traded away 1st & 2nd round selections on duds such as Glenn Hawker, Craig Devonport, Stephen O'Reilly and Mick Mansfield or drafted youngsters who either are not up to standard (eg: Jordan Russell, Murray Vance and Trent Sporn) or taken the wrong player ahead of someone better (eg: Josh Kennedy).

Ironically, the best bit of recruiting we did was in 2002 when we were stripped of picks and we picked up bargain selections in Fisher & Simpson late in the draft.

We need to put the resources into recruiting that the likes of Collingwood are in order to reap rewards like they have with the likes of Clarke and Pendlebury.

Thats just the old grass is greener effect.

Why did collingwood and Richmond overlook Pavlich in 1999. Then why did collingwood miss Joel Corey, Luke Mcpharlin, Darren Glass, Robert Murphy and Brad green but get Rhys Shaw and Danny Roach.

WC overlooked Scott thompson and Shaun Burgoyne (Thats a scary Midfield)for McDougall. The the next year got Sampi ahead of Dal Santo and Bartel. Hawthorn overlooked Matty Maguire 3 times.

Western Bulldogs got Tim Walsh in 2002 and Essendon picked up Kepler Bradley in 2003.

Every club has its list of dud draft picks and 15 other clubs always overlook a speculative late pick. So just be happy with what you got because there is still a lot of talent on your list.

[james Dean]

Talent and potential.

The great Justin Westhoff turns 21 this year and has two to three years on Hammer and Oz who are just 19 and 18 years of age. We should be happy with the players we've got and show some patience, but "we" keep looking over our neighbours fence and complaining their grass is greener.

If we rated Westhoff as a better 21 year old forward or ruck than Hampson and Austin, we would have picked him instead of those two boys at 17 and 35. We wouldn't pick Westhoff on top of them since our list is top heavy as it stands.

And it appears we might select an elite ruck prospect in this draft.

Hampson, Grigg, Austin, Benjamin and Anderson were good choices and give us a better structured list going forward. Hampson has a bigger upside than Westhoff IMHO and will be worth the wait when he's ready for senior footy.

Carlos, not Saddington, might mind Westhoff in the next game against Port. ;) :cool:
Well on talent and potential you would probably have Livingston Vance and Sporn > Westhoff but I'd say Westhoff already has past them

What talent and 'potential' you show at junior level is all good but if you can't bring it into the AFL it means nothing

[BlueWorld]

Tell me a number 1 draft choice that hasnt lived up to expectation? Besides michael gardiner ofcourse who had off field issues which affected his career.Anthony Banik, Des Headland, Richard Lounder, clive waterhouse, john Hutton, Travis Johnstone?, Steven Hooper