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blueskies
17 Jul 2007, 16:56
I am desperate to hear positive feedback about some of our kids, given many of them seem to be a little underwhelming at the moment.
What did we think of Anderson's brief showings in the seniors this year? I thought he looked good, got into the play, showed dash, and did a number on Eagleton.
BluesRules
17 Jul 2007, 17:00
I am desperate to hear positive feedback about some of our kids, given many of them seem to be a little underwhelming at the moment.
What did we think of Anderson's brief showings in the seniors this year? I thought he looked good, got into the play, showed dash, and did a number on Eagleton.
He looked ok, but that's about all. A bit early to make a call on him yet, but doesn't look like a natural footballer.
Austin looks to be a natural footballer.
BluesRules
17 Jul 2007, 17:07
Austin looks to be a natural footballer.
I like the look of Austin and also Edwards (Stuggling now since returning from injury).
wot's a natural footballer look like
BluesRules
17 Jul 2007, 17:36
wot's a natural footballer look like
Somebody who know's where the ball is and has natural ability. Not somebody who is drafted for athletic abilities and can't kick the ball for crap. It's nice to have pace, but if you don't know how to use the ball you have no hope.
Why not draft Bailey, Greene, Johnson. They can run the hundred in under 10 seconds?:rolleyes:
[ToTTi]
17 Jul 2007, 17:41
IMO, he only played at the start of the season to cover for injuries. I don't think it was entirely warranted (his selection). We've got something to work with, with Joey, but I can't say I was convinced by his displays in the seniors.
blues4flag
17 Jul 2007, 17:43
Was impressed with him. Settled fairly well after a few weeks, and will hopefully fill one of the gaps in our side if he develops - back pocket, instead of us having to play other guys like Walker and Houlihan down there instead.
AlecDuncan
17 Jul 2007, 17:45
What did we think of Anderson's brief showings in the seniors this year?
Genuine type. Very glad to get him at #67. Given his late start to football and what's he's shown so far, he is going to be a really good player.
wot's a natural footballer look like
Austin, haven't you been listening.:D
On a serious note I do really think that Austin could be a good improver over the next few years and could really develop as a genuine key back. Some people in SA I've spoken to seem to really rate him and suggest we could be onto something pretty good.
I really think Anderson can be a good player. Just before he got injured it started to look like he was getting used to AFL football. Hopefully he can come back and show us what he has got
Uhumagoo
17 Jul 2007, 17:59
I though he was good, played close to his man, and could sweat on his opponent without giving away frees... good signs.
TheGeneral
17 Jul 2007, 18:23
Will be AT LEAST GOOD (I didn't bother too much about the order but its very(!)
roughly in the order of their upside, with some allowance for my level of
confidence in them achieving it):
(Some are extremely late picks but I call it as I see it).
ANDERSON, Joseph (67 CAR) [15] Rapidly improving 188cm, virtually bottom-age,
hard-running utility. Still raw, not silky, but made for today's game. Great
endurance, "handy" pace, huge leap, reads the play well, knows how to find the
pill, routinely looks for best option, fairly often delivers accurately, is
courageous and crashes packs. Proven himself against men. Main queries (all
mentality-related) are: plays off the pack / too reactive / too Predator,
defensive smarts, accountability. I've ranked him mainly on upside. He still has
a heap of improvement in him. The sealers for me were (1) he will leave no stone
unturned (2) his rapid improvement since mid '05 including radical changes to
his on-field presence, impact, and physical attributes. Even if he can't fix the
flaws I've identified, he still has enough going for him to be a fairly handy
60-100 gamer. In the '05 U18 and subsequent '05 U16 Champs I observed he was
vanilla-size and build, introverted and played vanilla and introverted. I was
staggered to hear that, just 8 months later, he won Darwin Seniors B&F (as 17yo)
and was runner-up to Daryl White for B&F medal in the '06 NT Seniors GF. Come
the '06 TAC trials, I couldn't believe the dramatic transformation. He was now a
few centimetres taller, had filled out really well, had significantly lifted his
pace, and played with a flair, confidence and physicality that were virtually
non-existent a year earlier. Even his appearance and persona were markedly
different. I was very impressed with what he did at the '06 U18 Champs, and
quite impressed with much from his lead-up games. However I was still less than
impressed with what he did NOT do. Much of the time, he played virtually loose
man across half-back, presumably to coach's instructions, which makes assessing
him a bit more difficult. He was still too reactive a bit too often and still a
bit too often "played off the pack". In AFL he won't be able to wait to see how
the play in his immediate area unfolds before deciding to involve himself, or
letting an opponent have first crack, or not displaying appropriate defensive
effort or defensive smarts. He is not a "natural footy brain for all situations"
type like M Voss but he does sometimes displays a quickish brain. He strikes me
as the 2yo colt who has all the energy in the world and looks a real prospect
but needs more racing experience to knock some rough edges off and you're not
quite sure what distance will suit him best in the long term but you reckon he
moves better than most of the other colts in the paddock. His package has so
many potential goodies in it that are at least at the 80% stage that, even if he
doesn't later shine in a couple of the aspects I expect him to, he will still be
value for his other attributes. I would have drafted him myself, although he was
never going to need a pick as early as my ranking denoted. Suited to HBF where
he can give some run and linking. "Wing" should suit too. Unlikely onballer
(unless perhaps as run-with, in time). Will probably turn out to be a bargain.
Anderson can play and will make it.
EddieBettsIsAChamp
17 Jul 2007, 18:41
I didn't think much of anderson, and i hope he can prove me wrong.
Jeremias
17 Jul 2007, 22:34
Started off slowly, but that's what we should realistically expect from a late pick like him.
Started to look pretty good in the seniors after a few games-he was playing well against the Dogs before injury took him, which is a shame.
He isn't flashy, he's the type of player that is meant to do a job and does it well, no frills attatched. He won't be a superstar, but it looks as though he will be a solid player for a while.
It was a great effort for him to have played senior footy for the Blues so early in his career. Will be a lot better than many taken ahead of him.
I am desperate to hear positive feedback about some of our kids, given many of them seem to be a little underwhelming at the moment.
What did we think of Anderson's brief showings in the seniors this year? I thought he looked good, got into the play, showed dash, and did a number on Eagleton.
Nothing special
wot's a natural footballer look like
http://carltonfc.com.au/portals/0/images/players/blues/__Mark_Austin_002.jpg
Jeremias
17 Jul 2007, 23:07
Nothing special
In this day and age you can't expect such a late pick to be anything really special.
He has already well surpassed my expectations of his debut season.
Jeremias
17 Jul 2007, 23:11
http://carltonfc.com.au/portals/0/images/players/blues/__Mark_Austin_002.jpg
I know it's still very early, but based on what I've seen I reckon we have a very promising player in young Mark Austin.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if we see him debut for the Blues before the year is out. I doubt that he is far away from a debut at the moment, actually.
I am desperate to hear positive feedback about some of our kids, given many of them seem to be a little underwhelming at the moment.
What did we think of Anderson's brief showings in the seniors this year? I thought he looked good, got into the play, showed dash, and did a number on Eagleton.
After watching the Champs last year, he was one player that I was hopeful the club might select later in the draft. I just liked the way he went about things, and in particular, the run and carry that he provided from defence.
In this day and age you can't expect such a late pick to be anything really special.
He has already well surpassed my expectations of his debut season.
Westoff
I know it's still very early, but based on what I've seen I reckon we have a very promising player in young Mark Austin.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if we see him debut for the Blues before the year is out. I doubt that he is far away from a debut at the moment, actually.
Mark Austin will be a very good player
Jeremias
17 Jul 2007, 23:28
Westoff
I didn't say that no late picks could be good players :rolleyes:
Westhoff looks like he will become a very good player. But finding good to great players so late in the draft is extremely rare. Of course some selections prove to be excellent ones-there are usually a few late picks that end up being success stories.
As such, we can't really expect Anderson to be a great player. He was taken with a very late pick, so to be fair it wouldn't be either a surprise or unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't make it at all.
The fact that he has played senior football for the Blues already shows that it looks as though he has what it takes to succeed. I doubt that he will be a star, but from what he has shown, there's not much to suggest that he won't be a decent player. He has well surpassed my expectations of him thus far in his first season.
AndyWalkersGirl
17 Jul 2007, 23:38
But we only drafted mark Austin because he's Bryce Gibbs' friend :eek:
:cool::p:rolleyes:
TheGeneral
17 Jul 2007, 23:39
Nothing special
How much of Anderson have you seen?
Anderson is a hard nut and brings badly needed aggression and speed to our backline. 16 clubs overlooked the 21 year old Westhoff with 70 picks before he was drafted so he must be lacking something.
Like a football brain - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmm4gyxiRo
:p :D
They shouldn't have drafted Stewart ahead of him.
There was another late pick and rising star nominee called Karl Norman who looked like he would be a special player.
I didn't say that no late picks could be good players :rolleyes:
Westhoff looks like he will become a very good player. But finding good to great players so late in the draft is extremely rare. Of course some selections prove to be excellent ones-there are usually a few late picks that end up being success stories.
As such, we can't really expect Anderson to be a great player. He was taken with a very late pick, so to be fair it wouldn't be either a surprise or unreasonable to suggest that he wouldn't make it at all.
The fact that he has played senior football for the Blues already shows that it looks as though he has what it takes to succeed. I doubt that he will be a star, but from what he has shown, there's not much to suggest that he won't be a decent player. He has well surpassed my expectations of him thus far in his first season.
I understand that, he has done well to play a game
scorpion2466
18 Jul 2007, 00:23
I think Anderson, Austin and Bower will all be part of our backline set up in years to come.
Even SOS, Sexton and Dean took a few years to develop and become the players they were. Unfortunately we expect our young players to come in and play like 200 game seasoned veterans.
Blue Dawn
18 Jul 2007, 03:31
I know it's still very early, but based on what I've seen I reckon we have a very promising player in young Mark Austin.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if we see him debut for the Blues before the year is out. I doubt that he is far away from a debut at the moment, actually.
Agreed - been super-impressed with what i've seen of Austin. Fully expect him to play regular seniors for us next year. Anderson i'm a little less certain about, but if he possesses the mental application we've been led to believe then i can see him being a valuable player too.:thumbsu:
Michael Jezz
18 Jul 2007, 13:07
It amazes me how our supporters have no insight into recruiting and player development. You have no idea if you can not see that this kid has performed incredibly for an 18 year old, picked up at pick 67. He was basically starting to play as an onball tagger but for the injuries. He is fast, hard, 190cm and coachable. An absolute recruting coup. Disposal is his only weakness
Somebody who know's where the ball is and has natural ability. Not somebody who is drafted for athletic abilities and can't kick the ball for crap. It's nice to have pace, but if you don't know how to use the ball you have no hope.
Why not draft Bailey, Greene, Johnson. They can run the hundred in under 10 seconds?:rolleyes:
Destined for West Coast:p
BlueYoss
18 Jul 2007, 16:53
It amazes me how our supporters have no insight into recruiting and player development. You have no idea if you can not see that this kid has performed incredibly for an 18 year old, picked up at pick 67. He was basically starting to play as an onball tagger but for the injuries. He is fast, hard, 190cm and coachable. An absolute recruting coup. Disposal is his only weakness
Seems to almost be a pre-requisite to be a Carlton player.
Don't get me wrong Jezz, all of what you say stacks up to a a very good pickup, HOWEVER when you look at the bigger picture across the whole club, disposal is a HUGE problem of ours and at the end of the day butchering the ball has cost us more games than anything else...
Bluebear
18 Jul 2007, 17:55
Way too early to tell, but looks a likely sort.
Aparently players skills are the coaches domain, so with a change of coach next year expect his disposal to improve. :rolleyes:
Would not have played if Grigg was fit vs WCE, but did a good job vs Eagleton, was towelled up by Porplyzia (Crows).........wait and see.
With some depth next year hopefully he spends some time inthe two's and develops his game a bit more.
May start an apprenticeship as a tagger. Needs to bulk up a bit though.
[ToTTi]
18 Jul 2007, 18:33
Way too early to tell, but looks a likely sort.
Aparently players skills are the coaches domain, so with a change of coach next year expect his disposal to improve. :rolleyes:
Would not have played if Grigg was fit vs WCE, but did a good job vs Eagleton, was towelled up by Porplyzia (Crows).........wait and see.
With some depth next year hopefully he spends some time inthe two's and develops his game a bit more.
May start an apprenticeship as a tagger. Needs to bulk up a bit though.
Yeah, thats what I am thinking. Not sold on him just yet, but as rightly pointed out could turn out to be a massive steal for us at pick 67!
Il Naso De Gastev
18 Jul 2007, 19:52
He looked ok, but that's about all. A bit early to make a call on him yet, but doesn't look like a natural footballer.
Find it hard to believe than an indigenous kid couldn't be a 'natural' footballer.
I think Anderson, Austin and Bower will all be part of our backline set up in years to come.
Even SOS, Sexton and Dean took a few years to develop and become the players they were. Unfortunately we expect our young players to come in and play like 200 game seasoned veterans.
That's a pretty fair assesment there scorpion. I can see Anderson playing in the BP, and both Austin and Bower could very well play off HBF's in a season or two. In fact, i'd love to see Austin debut at some stage this season.
Bentick's My Man.
19 Jul 2007, 00:02
He will be a good, handy player for the blues.
Nothing special but serviceable.
Bluebear
19 Jul 2007, 12:41
Find it hard to believe than an indigenous kid couldn't be a 'natural' footballer.
Really?;):o
one_twelve112
19 Jul 2007, 13:17
Has seemed a little over-awed at times i.e. doesn't look like he believes he belongs out there. I noticed he has been caught ball-watching a couple of times especially against Crows probably as a result of this, but seems to have all the attributes to make a really good HBF or BP.
I would love to see him develope into the type of player to play on the; Didak, Milne, Davey, Ablett type players and give them a real run for their money.
Picks 67 tend to be fairly speculative, however I reckon we've got something good here, and if we can get some decent games out of him in the years to come, we've done well!
BTW - spoke to some family members at the Carlton v Hawthorn game and he is absolutley thrilled to be at the club....it was great to hear.