Trades/delistings etc at seasons end

[cellis84]

just throwing this 1 out there 2 c other peoples thoughts

at the end of the season, i would be making the following changes

lonergan- delist
gardiner- delist/trade
byrnes- delist/trade
playfair- delist/trade
spencer- delist


also, keep joel reynolds, cant believe the poor blokes rotten luck, give him next year 2 c what he can offer us

keep kingy, when ottens eventually gets injured again, we will b in trouble as trent west isnt up 2 it yet

sam hunt has been showing a bit in the vfl and i think he wld b a good back up key defender if scarlo or tomek went down.

bit worried about ryan gamble, he has had a quiet season from what i have seen, give him another yr.

thoughts?

[sarah.13]

Must disagree about Lonergan,if he gets thru the year showing some form he should go back onto senior list.

[crosby123]

Delist three of the following: Playfair, Spencer, Gardiner, S. Hunt, Callan (try to trade Callan to the club of his choice).

I want to keep Gardiner, put him on a one year contract. I know none of you think much of him, but I have a soft spot for "the worrier". A reasonable back-up lead-up forward. Of the other delisting selections, only Callan really has anything going for him.

[rickster]

You want to keep Reynolds, but delist Lonergan?

[crosby123]

just throwing this 1 out there 2 c other peoples thoughts

at the end of the season, i would be making the following changes

lonergan- delist
gardiner- delist/trade
byrnes- delist/trade
playfair- delist/trade
spencer- delist


also, keep joel reynolds, cant believe the poor blokes rotten luck, give him next year 2 c what he can offer us

keep kingy, when ottens eventually gets injured again, we will b in trouble as trent west isnt up 2 it yet

sam hunt has been showing a bit in the vfl and i think he wld b a good back up key defender if scarlo or tomek went down.

bit worried about ryan gamble, he has had a quiet season from what i have seen, give him another yr.

thoughts?
Was injured pre-season, only just getting back into it.

[JUBJUB]

bit worried about ryan gamble, he has had a quiet season from what i have seen, give him another yr.


He's had a quiet year due to an ankle injury

[Ling Sting]

I doubt they would have gone to the effort of putting longers on the rookie list if they were to cut him loose at the years end.

Gardiner, Byrnes, Spencer, Hank should all be delisted

[cats2rise]

Keep Lonergon. Not just a knee-jerk reaction to see what he can do, but I think he and Sam Hunt should be the talls kept on our list. Playfair will be gone, although I have a soft spot for him.

[DanA]

Delist:
Big H
Gardiner
Spencer
Byrnes
Tim Callan (trade if any offers)
Joel Reynolds*

Promote:
Todd Grima
Tom Lonergan

Trade:
David Johnson
James kelly

I would only pick up the minimum 3 draft picks and would probably try and get an upgrade our 1st & 2nd picks with Kelly & David Johnson trades.

Something like:
Kelly + pick 17 for Pick 4
David Johnson + pick 35 for Pick 20

[Ling Sting]

Delist:
Big H
Gardiner
Spencer
Byrnes
Tim Callan (trade if any offers)
Joel Reynolds*

Promote:
Todd Grima
Tom Lonergan

Trade:
David Johnson
James kelly

I would only pick up the minimum 3 draft picks and would probably try and get an upgrade our 1st & 2nd picks with Kelly & David Johnson trades.

Something like:
Kelly + pick 17 for Pick 4
David Johnson + pick 35 for Pick 20

all the above is pretty sound. Todd Grima definately has show enough to be on the senior list next year.

[cat_fanatic_21]

Would not delist Lonners, he looks the goods and deserves another year on the rookie list as a minimum. Grima should be promoted.

Agree with pretty much everything else except I think James Kelly has played a large role in our success this year.

He doesn’t often rack up a lot of possessions but he provides a lot of grunt and goes in and gets the hard ball. If he had another poor year like last year then I would be up for trading/delisting him but I believe he has turned a corner.

Tenace should be traded IMO. He will really struggle to get a game next year and it would be in both parties’ best interests if he moved on while he still has some value.

[bigdroppunt]

I know Kelly would be keen to go to the bommers who would we want from them ???

[Team Chemistry]

any lariken that thinks we should keep reynolds and delist lonergan is off their tree, Lonergan is courageous, versatile and the type of person we need at the club to remind the boys what its all about. I personally believe that Lonergans comeback may have had something to do with our drastic increase in the level of our game. As well as this Lonergan is a much better than Sam Hunt. Sam Hunt isn't up to AFL level whereas Lonergan i believe has shown that he can cut it. Before his accident against Melbourne i believe he was gearing up for a regular first team selection. He gives us great cover for the defenders as well as forwards, as i said he is versatile. There would be no point in placing him on the rookie list this year if we were just going to cut him at the years end. He's made a great comeback and the club owes it to him to stick by him and replace Sam Hunt on the senior list.

Btw Reynolds is an absolute hack bar the odd attempted screamer during the NAB cup.
Team Chemisty :eek:

[cat_fanatic_21]

I know Kelly would be keen to go to the bommers who would we want from them ???

If Kelly wanted to go then we would want a fair bit i would think. It's hard to find a young mid that has proven himself but yet to hit his peek.

Idea similar to that of DanA's re Pris: Kelly + our pick 17 for bombers pick 6/7/8 depending on where they finish.

[sexyhunk]

just throwing this 1 out there 2 c other peoples thoughts

at the end of the season, i would be making the following changes

lonergan- delist
gardiner- delist/trade
byrnes- delist/trade
playfair- delist/trade
spencer- delist


also, keep joel reynolds, cant believe the poor blokes rotten luck, give him next year 2 c what he can offer us

keep kingy, when ottens eventually gets injured again, we will b in trouble as trent west isnt up 2 it yet

sam hunt has been showing a bit in the vfl and i think he wld b a good back up key defender if scarlo or tomek went down.

bit worried about ryan gamble, he has had a quiet season from what i have seen, give him another yr.

thoughts?

surely what happens to kelly, hunt and tanace depends on how we finish up this year. The delisting seem resonable except lonergan. He puts his body on the line and thats how our backline has been playing this year.

I think we be quiet in this trade period but definately look for a ruckman as king wont be here long term and we be expose badly if either ottens or blake gets injured/suspend. Maybe meeson from the crows as hes from around geelong i heard??

[Stoney]

If Kelly wanted to go why didn't he go last yr when it was widely speculated that he wanted out? Ahhhhhhh... let me see... he wants to stay at Geelong perhaps? He gets on well with the boys (particularly Lingy) and has fit in well to our team dynamics.

Just because he isnt getting the same recognition as Bartel, Corey, Linger etc as one of the competitions best midfielders I dont think he will throw in the towel. He will continue to work hard and be a valuable member of the team.

He's an exceptionaly talented player, and Bomber Thompson knows that hence why he has persisted with him for due time.

[bigdroppunt]

If Kelly wanted to go why didn't he go last yr when it was widely speculated that he wanted out? Ahhhhhhh... let me see... he wants to stay at Geelong perhaps? He gets on well with the boys (particularly Lingy) and has fit in well to our team dynamics.

Just because he isnt getting the same recognition as Bartel, Corey, Linger etc as one of the competitions best midfielders I dont think he will throw in the towel. He will continue to work hard and be a valuable member of the team.

He's an exceptionaly talented player, and Bomber Thompson knows that hence why he has persisted with him for due time.

You do make some good points but i think kelly dosnt get the recognition of bartel,corey or linga because hes not as good he does fit into our team well but i think of our midfielders who i would axe he would be first to go and to keep the team strong some changes will have to happen.

[Hood007]

to keep the team strong some changes will have to happen.

Why do changes have to happen?
Trading or delisting any player that is getting a regular game this year is ridiculous. You can't trade players that you've put 5 or 6 years into, it's a wasted investment. The club can stay strong through drafting, which they've shown they're quite good at...

[bigdroppunt]

Why do changes have to happen?
Trading or delisting any player that is getting a regular game this year is ridiculous. You can't trade players that you've put 5 or 6 years into, it's a wasted investment. The club can stay strong through drafting, which they've shown they're quite good at...
you have to trade players while the values there if you dont you'll end up with a bunch of players the same age and with not much value its for the future not the now.

[Jeremias]

David Johnson + pick 35 for Pick 20

Carlton will have a pick around 19.

I would definitely consider that trade, and I hope the club would too.

[Hood007]

you have to trade players while the values there if you dont you'll end up with a bunch of players the same age and with not much value its for the future not the now.

So what about winning now?
Why did we draft James Kelly if we're just gonna trade him when he gets to the prime of his playing career?
History says that not every club makes a trade at the end of each season. Without even checking one would think that the more successful a club is the less they would need to delist/trade players.
Keep the future coming with the draft I say. Don't trade players just cause they might be valuable, and for what? Another draft pick?
Doesn't make sense to me. Especially now, when we're winning...

[catempire]

A theory I have on trading:

Traded players usually fall into one or more of six categories:

1. A player who is an OK footballer but who is not required due to the position he plays (e.g. Chambers)

2. A player who is valued more by another club than he is by his current club (e.g. Chambers)

3. A player who feels he isn’t getting enough chances at his current club so wants to go elsewhere (e.g. Chambers, Ted Richards)

4. The player who wants to return to his home state (e.g. Fergus Watts, Daniel McConnell)

5. The player who is used by his club to get a pick or a player required as part of another deal (e.g. Brent Moloney)

6. The player who has fallen out with his team or coach (e.g. Wayne Carey, Leigh Colbert)

[Tonycam*]

If its not broken , dont fix it . Unless a major swap is needed I wouldnt rush into making any major trades , We are strong all over and it would be a shame to swap a Kelly or a Prismall or David Johnson . One of the best things about our team is its depth. Lets keep it that way.

[bombersmad75]

If its not broken , dont fix it . Unless a major swap is needed I wouldnt rush into making any major trades , We are strong all over and it would be a shame to swap a Kelly or a Prismall or David Johnson . One of the best things about our team is its depth. Lets keep it that way.

I would love prismall at our club as there are not many players that are in and under players with the polish he has with his diposals. Who could we trade you guys for him?:thumbsu:

[thirtyseven]

Lets face it though if Tom Longergan hadn't have had his kidney removed he wouldn't still be at the club!!! Joel Reynolds has to be put up onto the senior list for Geelong to keep him as well as his too old next year to be rookie listed!!

[Tonycam*]

I would love prismall at our club as there are not many players that are in and under players with the polish he has with his diposals. Who could we trade you guys for him?:thumbsu:
unfortunately if Pris is out of contract and wants to leave, we couldnt be too fussy with what we get for him. But a round 1 pick and more if we are talking about what he is worth mate

[dalethomas13]

unfortunately if Pris is out of contract and wants to leave, we couldnt be too fussy with what we get for him. But a round 1 pick and more if we are talking about what he is worth mate

I think clubs are now becoming hesitant on trading first round draft selections and are only considering 2nd round or more which may include player exchanges as well. I just cannot see any trade in the near future for any player involving a first round selection unless it was for players of the pavlich/judd ilk. It is fast becoming increasingly important that clubs hold onto prized first round selections.

AND i know supporters will tend to rate their own higher however, can you honestly believe Prismall is worth a first rounder + more?? Don't get me wrong i think he is a great prospect but i dunno about him commanding a first rounder on its own let alone more. Somewhere in the second round i would think would be around the mark and maybe a player if lucky on top.

[Tonycam*]

I think clubs are now becoming hesitant on trading first round draft selections and are only considering 2nd round or more which may include player exchanges as well. I just cannot see any trade in the near future for any player involving a first round selection unless it was for players of the pavlich/judd ilk. It is fast becoming increasingly important that clubs hold onto prized first round selections.

AND i know supporters will tend to rate their own higher however, can you honestly believe Prismall is worth a first rounder + more?? Don't get me wrong i think he is a great prospect but i dunno about him commanding a first rounder on its own let alone more. Somewhere in the second round i would think would be around the mark and maybe a player if lucky on top.
Not saying we would get it for him but I do think he is well worth it otherwise keep him if he want to stay. He is a real star of the future and I think more than one side would be pushing for a proven performer like Brent

[finrod]

I think clubs are now becoming hesitant on trading first round draft selections and are only considering 2nd round or more which may include player exchanges as well. I just cannot see any trade in the near future for any player involving a first round selection unless it was for players of the pavlich/judd ilk. It is fast becoming increasingly important that clubs hold onto prized first round selections.

AND i know supporters will tend to rate their own higher however, can you honestly believe Prismall is worth a first rounder + more?? Don't get me wrong i think he is a great prospect but i dunno about him commanding a first rounder on its own let alone more. Somewhere in the second round i would think would be around the mark and maybe a player if lucky on top.

Yep I'd take an early 2nd round for him.

[The rabbi]

Lets face it though if Tom Longergan hadn't have had his kidney removed he wouldn't still be at the club!!! Joel Reynolds has to be put up onto the senior list for Geelong to keep him as well as his too old next year to be rookie listed!!


Sorry Mate. but I do not agree. I don't think that it is just a sympathy vote that Lonergan got from the club. He is tall (197cm) and mobile. He was scoring goals regularly in the VFL but found the AFL a big leap. He was then always in the best players in the VFL when he was switched to key positions in the backline. Sure, I would like to see a few more kilos on him, but I think that with his height and mobility he will be handy and versatile player in the future.

I would also promote Todd Grima. Anything Charlie can do now, Grima will do far better. They are a similar build but Grima is younger and has far more potential.

As for talk of trading centre line players or on ballers. I think that if the Cats lack anything in the on baller centreline type of player it is someone who can run and break through the lines. Jr seems to be taking on that roll this year and Wojo from half back. If there is a problem with having Kelly, Bartel, Prismal in the centre it is that they are all one pace. Good skills, but no explosive pace and carry. We have a few quick fringe players but they are plagued by poor disposal.

Anyone have any views on the likes of say Davenport?

[thirtyseven]

Sorry Mate. but I do not agree. I don't think that it is just a sympathy vote that Lonergan got from the club. He is tall (197cm) and mobile. He was scoring goals regularly in the VFL but found the AFL a big leap. He was then always in the best players in the VFL when he was switched to key positions in the backline. Sure, I would like to see a few more kilos on him, but I think that with his height and mobility he will be handy and versatile player in the future.

I would also promote Todd Grima. Anything Charlie can do now, Grima will do far better. They are a similar build but Grima is younger and has far more potential.

As for talk of trading centre line players or on ballers. I think that if the Cats lack anything in the on baller centreline type of player it is someone who can run and break through the lines. Jr seems to be taking on that roll this year and Wojo from half back. If there is a problem with having Kelly, Bartel, Prismal in the centre it is that they are all one pace. Good skills, but no explosive pace and carry. We have a few quick fringe players but they are plagued by poor disposal.

Anyone have any views on the likes of say Davenport?
If thats the case why did they put him on the rookie list?

[The rabbi]

If thats the case why did they put him on the rookie list?

I take it that you are talking about Lonergan. I would have thought that they put him on the Rookie list because he had a serious injury and that it was unlikely that he would play a senior game given the stress of a major surgical procedure on his body. Maybe they think that he will be ready to go in 08.

There are a good number of players who could be cut at the end of the season. I just don't think that Lonergan is one of them. I seem to remember some bloke played 250+ games on one kidney. His name has slipped me at the moment. Was it John Newcombe?

[Prismall32]

I know Kelly would be keen to go to the bommers who would we want from them ???
Lucas!!!

[thegerman]

Week in week out we have the same crap posted on here.

The reason why we are such a good team at the moment is those players you are seeking to 'delist' are pushing the seniors to earn their role in the team.

The seconds are on top of the ladder also, ensuring that they are pushing for their spot in the ones.

Why does everyone on here have to be so pessamistic ?? It is really a bore and indicating terrible support to the team you are supposed to love. We will not get a premiership delivered to us, we have to earn it.

If everyone on the list is pushing for selection and making the ones earn their spot, then we will have a great chance. To also back this up we need the support by all members to give everyone on the list their best.

Give up the delisting crap. Be positive, support your team.

[year of the cat]

Week in week out we have the same crap posted on here.

The reason why we are such a good team at the moment is those players you are seeking to 'delist' are pushing the seniors to earn their role in the team.

The seconds are on top of the ladder also, ensuring that they are pushing for their spot in the ones.

Why does everyone on here have to be so pessamistic ?? It is really a bore and indicating terrible support to the team you are supposed to love. We will not get a premiership delivered to us, we have to earn it.

If everyone on the list is pushing for selection and making the ones earn their spot, then we will have a great chance. To also back this up we need the support by all members to give everyone on the list their best.

Give up the delisting crap. Be positive, support your team.


Whether you like it or not every club has to draft at a minimum 3 players from the upcoming draft. With no geelong players (other than perhaps King) approaching retirement, we have to therefore delist those 3 players. So being completely pragmatic it stands to reason that the players that are not getting regular game time in the seniors are more likely to go i.e. Gardiner, Byrnes, Playfair, S.Hunt etc

[Stoney]

Regarding the trading of James Kelly, I was trying to suggest that he fits in well with the current playing group (being rather popular around the club and also of similar age to many of the prime players Ling, Chapman, Corey, Enright, Hunt, Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Mackie, Tenace - all of which were drafted within 2 years of Kelly and there are bound to be some strong friendships among that group of players).

Removing a popular player from any team will have inverse consequences, and yes I have always maintained Kelly is one of the most talented players on our list (allbeit yet to deliver), I have no doubt his popularity among the playing group would have also been a reason (on top of his obvious potential) to maintain him after his disasterous 2006.

I agree with a comment made earlier in this post saying that we need to make changes to remain a dominant team - but not this year, and not by culling a best 22 player just because he is the weakest link in the midfield (thats quite awesome that we have James Kelly as our last midfielder - as opposed to Carlton or Essendon where he would be in their top 5 midfielders).

Keep our starting 22 and develop the rest of the list accordingly, through the Draft and occasional trades over the next five yrs it is reasonable to assume that if this list stays together, we will figure prominantly in september action for many seasons to come.

[kinggaz29]

I doubt they would have gone to the effort of putting longers on the rookie list if they were to cut him loose at the years end.

Gardiner, Byrnes, Spencer, Hank should all be delisted

I thought it was a sympathy contract to be honest.

He has been with the club for quite some time now and shown nothing!
Get rid of the dead wood and who knows another club might pick him up but there is no room on our list for him!
Who place would he take in forward line.... NAblett Hawkins Mooney i dont think so.
Or backline.... Scarlett Harley Egan Milburn Mackie i can keep going on..
Very courageous wat he did last year no doubt but still wont cut it!

[CrazyQ]

Carlton will have a pick around 19.

I would definitely consider that trade, and I hope the club would too.
DJ isnt what Carlton needs.

[crosby123]

Sorry Mate. but I do not agree. I don't think that it is just a sympathy vote that Lonergan got from the club. He is tall (197cm) and mobile. He was scoring goals regularly in the VFL but found the AFL a big leap. He was then always in the best players in the VFL when he was switched to key positions in the backline. Sure, I would like to see a few more kilos on him, but I think that with his height and mobility he will be handy and versatile player in the future.

I would also promote Todd Grima. Anything Charlie can do now, Grima will do far better. They are a similar build but Grima is younger and has far more potential.

As for talk of trading centre line players or on ballers. I think that if the Cats lack anything in the on baller centreline type of player it is someone who can run and break through the lines. Jr seems to be taking on that roll this year and Wojo from half back. If there is a problem with having Kelly, Bartel, Prismal in the centre it is that they are all one pace. Good skills, but no explosive pace and carry. We have a few quick fringe players but they are plagued by poor disposal.

Anyone have any views on the likes of say Davenport?
Kelly is far quicker than most people think. At least as fast as Corey (another with underrated legspeed), probably faster. Because he rarely puts the afterburners on when he has the ball, most people don't realise it. But when you see his chase and tackle of Jobe Watson in the Essendon match, you can see he ain't a slowpoke.

[cat_fanatic_21]

Lets face it though if Tom Longergan hadn't have had his kidney removed he wouldn't still be at the club!!! Joel Reynolds has to be put up onto the senior list for Geelong to keep him as well as his too old next year to be rookie listed!!

I thought it was a sympathy contract to be honest.

He has been with the club for quite some time now and shown nothing!
Get rid of the dead wood and who knows another club might pick him up but there is no room on our list for him!
Who place would he take in forward line.... NAblett Hawkins Mooney i dont think so.
Or backline.... Scarlett Harley Egan Milburn Mackie i can keep going on..
Very courageous wat he did last year no doubt but still wont cut it!


Have you guys actually seen Lonners play?

Try watching the Melbourne game (round 22) before he was injured. The guy showed heaps of potential down back. At 197 he is a mobile KP player who i can see playing a very similar role to D. Flethcher who is only 2cm taller.

It was not a sympathy contract. He most definitely would have been kept on the list if he didn't get injured. The only reason he was demoted to the Roookie list was becasue his injury was always going to take at least 6 months to heal and so a guy named Sam Hunt could be promoted and used as potential back up for our defense.

Lonners will be a ready replacement for Harley in a couple of years and may even break into the team next year depending on injury.



Reynolds will be desisted at the end of this year as he will not break into our best 22 unless we have about 4 talls go down in the same year at the same time. I feel sorry for the guy but he would have better luck breaking into a side with less depth than ours currently has.

[DanA]

Regarding the trading of James Kelly, I was trying to suggest that he fits in well with the current playing group (being rather popular around the club and also of similar age to many of the prime players Ling, Chapman, Corey, Enright, Hunt, Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Mackie, Tenace - all of which were drafted within 2 years of Kelly and there are bound to be some strong friendships among that group of players).

Removing a popular player from any team will have inverse consequences, and yes I have always maintained Kelly is one of the most talented players on our list (allbeit yet to deliver), I have no doubt his popularity among the playing group would have also been a reason (on top of his obvious potential) to maintain him after his disasterous 2006.

I agree with a comment made earlier in this post saying that we need to make changes to remain a dominant team - but not this year, and not by culling a best 22 player just because he is the weakest link in the midfield (thats quite awesome that we have James Kelly as our last midfielder - as opposed to Carlton or Essendon where he would be in their top 5 midfielders).

Keep our starting 22 and develop the rest of the list accordingly, through the Draft and occasional trades over the next five yrs it is reasonable to assume that if this list stays together, we will figure prominantly in september action for many seasons to come.

When I first suggested Kelly as a trade option it was based on the following speculation:

A) The salary cap will be tight and we will be force to make a move
B) Prismall would seriously consider leaving if he doesn't get more game time

If we have plenty of room in the salary cap to cover our list and Prismall is happy at Geelong. I wouldn't even consider trading Kelly, I would do the bare minimum taking only 3 players in the draft and promoting Grima.

[fishman]

Week in week out we have the same crap posted on here.

The reason why we are such a good team at the moment is those players you are seeking to 'delist' are pushing the seniors to earn their role in the team.

The seconds are on top of the ladder also, ensuring that they are pushing for their spot in the ones.

Why does everyone on here have to be so pessamistic ?? It is really a bore and indicating terrible support to the team you are supposed to love. We will not get a premiership delivered to us, we have to earn it.

If everyone on the list is pushing for selection and making the ones earn their spot, then we will have a great chance. To also back this up we need the support by all members to give everyone on the list their best.

Give up the delisting crap. Be positive, support your team.

Completely agree.

[Ling Sting]

I thought it was a sympathy contract to be honest.

He has been with the club for quite some time now and shown nothing!
Get rid of the dead wood and who knows another club might pick him up but there is no room on our list for him!
Who place would he take in forward line.... NAblett Hawkins Mooney i dont think so.
Or backline.... Scarlett Harley Egan Milburn Mackie i can keep going on..
Very courageous wat he did last year no doubt but still wont cut it!

he showed some real signs last year in the VFL and when he was given a chance in the seniors.

We've been patient with hacks and duds on our list (ie: hank, charlie, byrnes) who have had tonnes of time & opportunities to prove themselves. These blokes are deadwood. Tom is better then that and deserved another chance to prove himself.

[kinggaz29]

Have you guys actually seen Lonners play?

Try watching the Melbourne game (round 22) before he was injured. The guy showed heaps of potential down back. At 197 he is a mobile KP player who i can see playing a very similar role to D. Flethcher who is only 2cm taller.

It was not a sympathy contract. He most definitely would have been kept on the list if he didn't get injured. The only reason he was demoted to the Roookie list was becasue his injury was always going to take at least 6 months to heal and so a guy named Sam Hunt could be promoted and used as potential back up for our defense.

Lonners will be a ready replacement for Harley in a couple of years and may even break into the team next year depending on injury.



Reynolds will be desisted at the end of this year as he will not break into our best 22 unless we have about 4 talls go down in the same year at the same time. I feel sorry for the guy but he would have better luck breaking into a side with less depth than ours currently has.

How can you compare lonergan to fletcher!!!:eek:
OMG are you serious!
This bloke has been at our club since 02 and shown bugger all.
How long do you wanna give someone a chance an dif he is a ready made replacement for harley he will be 28 til he gets a crack! Come on mate be realistic the guy is a dud.
Better off to draft a young kid who can have a go at it (replacing harley) than tom.

[Sttew]

Delist:
Big H - Agreed
Gardiner - maybe keep him one more year
Spencer - has to go
Byrnes - security if Stokes is injured
Tim Callan (trade if any offers) - agreed
Joel Reynolds* agreed

Promote:
Todd Grima - agreed
Tom Lonergan - wait & see

Trade:
David Johnson - not yet
James kelly - yes!!! Now we have Joel S we don't need Kelly
Add:
Kane Tenace - has failed to capture the form of 2005.

I would only pick up the minimum 3 draft picks and would probably try and get an upgrade our 1st & 2nd picks with Kelly & David Johnson trades.

Something like:
Kelly + pick 17 for Pick 4
David Johnson + pick 35 for Pick 20

My thoughts in bold alongside players names

[Sttew]

Delist:
Big H - Agreed
Gardiner - maybe keep him one more year
Spencer - has to go
Byrnes - security if Stokes is injured
Tim Callan (trade if any offers) - agreed
Joel Reynolds* agreed

Promote:
Todd Grima - agreed
Tom Lonergan - wait & see

Trade:
David Johnson - not yet
James kelly - yes!!! Now we have Joel S we don't need Kelly
Add:
Kane Tenace - has failed to capture the form of 2005.

I would only pick up the minimum 3 draft picks and would probably try and get an upgrade our 1st & 2nd picks with Kelly & David Johnson trades.

Something like:
Kelly + pick 17 for Pick 4
David Johnson + pick 35 for Pick 20

My thoughts in bold alongside players names

[Ling Sting]

WTF! Sttew

keep Gardiner 1 more year! The bloke is only still at the club because we were retarded enough to give him a 4 year contract. He will be the first to go mark my words.

[rizzo]

Must disagree about Lonergan,if he gets thru the year showing some form he should go back onto senior list.

He would of been gone at the end of last season if it wasn't for the accident. Can't see us promoting him.

For me:

Delist:
Byrnes
Gardiner
Playfair
Spencer
Reynolds*
Lonergan*

Promote:
Grima

Trade:
Callan

[cellis84]

hmm, i know it sounds very harsh, but its true, if it wasnt 4 lonergan just about being killed last yr, he wldnt b on our list. i wld love 2 c the bloke become a good afl player but its just not gunna happen. he is just 2 big and 2 slow. and there is no way that he will fit in our fwd line which it cld b argued is already is a bit top heavy and the back line also cld have the same problem.

and, he is the same age as me so turning 24 nxt yr will b 2 old 4 the rookie list wont it? and if it is, there is no way i wld promote him in front of grima. he just isnt up 2 it. and all these people thinking gardiner needs another yr, he has already had about 6 and hasnt done anything. piss him off!

[year of the cat]

He would of been gone at the end of last season if it wasn't for the accident. Can't see us promoting him.

For me:

Delist:
Byrnes
Gardiner
Playfair
Spencer
Reynolds*
Lonergan*

Promote:
Grima

Trade:
Callan


The only change to that for me would be to delist S.Hunt and possibly keep Playfair on a 1 year deal as insurance as he can "play" both forward and back.

[Jeremias]

DJ isnt what Carlton needs.

Carlton needs a lot of things, one being an experienced, tough midfielder.

He is exactly the type of player that we need.

[kinggaz29]

hmm, i know it sounds very harsh, but its true, if it wasnt 4 lonergan just about being killed last yr, he wldnt b on our list. i wld love 2 c the bloke become a good afl player but its just not gunna happen. he is just 2 big and 2 slow. and there is no way that he will fit in our fwd line which it cld b argued is already is a bit top heavy and the back line also cld have the same problem.

and, he is the same age as me so turning 24 nxt yr will b 2 old 4 the rookie list wont it? and if it is, there is no way i wld promote him in front of grima. he just isnt up 2 it. and all these people thinking gardiner needs another yr, he has already had about 6 and hasnt done anything. piss him off!
Good to see your talking sense!:D

[Stoney]

People who think Davvid Johnson + Pick 35 will get us a top 20 pick are deluding themselves.

Im DJ's number 1 fan - but being realistic - this is a guy who is playing in the ressies... hardley the type of player who denotes a 15 + draft pick upgrade.

[catzfan]

look at it frm carltons point of view im sure they would take that they get a good mid and go from a good to averrage draft pick that my tke some1 potentially better than ick 20

[cat_fanatic_21]

How can you compare lonergan to fletcher!!!:eek:
OMG are you serious!
This bloke has been at our club since 02 and shown bugger all.
How long do you wanna give someone a chance an dif he is a ready made replacement for harley he will be 28 til he gets a crack! Come on mate be realistic the guy is a dud.
Better off to draft a young kid who can have a go at it (replacing harley) than tom.

I have created a poll on the 'total footy' board to discuss this issue. ;)

[kinggaz29]

I have created a poll on the 'total footy' board to discuss this issue. ;)
May the best man win:cool:

[My5t3r10u5]

How can you compare lonergan to fletcher!!!


He was speculating about how Lonergan may develop - may not happen, I can see the potential.

This bloke has been at our club since 02 and shown bugger all.


OMG are you serious back at ya! If you haven't noticed, key position players take longer to develop. Lonergan has displayed significant development in his time at Geelong as evidenced by his selection in the senior team (7 games if I remember right - you've got to earn them!). In the game in which he was injured he was one of our best. So completely disagree with the "bugger all" comment. As for this year, give the guy a go - he's only been back a few weeks!

[SaccaGents]

Priority ditch list for me:

1. Charlie Gardiner - Good endeavour, cant keep his feet, poor skills, poor decision making, consistently is beaten on 1 on 1 contests.
2. Henry Playfair - Slow, poor skills, does not take anywhere the number of marks he should take for his size. Seems to have quickly.
3. Matthew Spencer - maybe a resonable player in the WAFL. 4 years is clearly noy up to it.
4. James Kelly - because he is a lazy prick and worth a trade to a club that will put a rocket up his backside.

The other fringe players such as Josh Hunt, Shannon Byrnes, Tim Callan maybe worth keeping for a rainy day when inurys hit the club.


SG

[Kittenish]

Must disagree about Lonergan,if he gets thru the year showing some form he should go back onto senior list.
Agreed. He was really promising before he got annihilated by the Dees.

I think Delist Reynolds.
Trade or just generally rid ourselves of: Gardiner, Playfair and King.