View Full Version : Cats key in Pavlich deal
Jack-Packenham
20 Jul 2007, 08:08
Geelong are apparently the key in Port Adelaides attempts to get Pavlich to Alberton.
Port believe it will take 3 1st round picks to get Pav or 2 1st round picks + Nathan Krakouer & Michael Pettigrew.
Geelong who were super keen on Travis Boak at last years draft are believed to have offered their first pick this year + a fringe player either J Hunt or S Byrnes to Port for Boak.
Port would then send their 1st pick + Geelong 1st pick + Krakouer & Pettigrew to Fremantle for Pavlich.
scottydeewah
20 Jul 2007, 08:22
Interesting. Where did you read that Jack
Any more info on Boak
I cant use question marks cause of this funny french keyboard!!
catswhiskers
20 Jul 2007, 08:24
Very interesting Jack.
The quality of last years draft is apparent - a beauty. What is this years bunch like?
If the next draft is not flash then the scenario you mention would be good for the cats. I would just add that a midfielder like Kelly might be interesting for them- they get a match ready inside midfielder (to replace Boak) and Kelly would compliment their outside mids very well.
catswhiskers
20 Jul 2007, 08:33
I forgot about Tenace (a youngish top ten pick) he might be of more interest than Kelly.
CatmanForever
20 Jul 2007, 08:55
source???
Would be very interested if that deal comes off. Boak is a super player.
goal sneak
20 Jul 2007, 09:46
Would take more than pick 16 + Byrnes or Hunt to get Boak. Boak would have went top 3 in this years draft so i don't think there is anyway the cats would be able to get him without losing a topliner.
Why would we give up a first round pick and a fringe player, for Boak. For surely we wont. I realise Boak has potential, but what the point when we have arguably the best midflied going around.:confused:
catempire
20 Jul 2007, 10:02
I don't believe Jack's record on these things is too crash hot...
Chris Bond to be the next senior coach (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321811)
Maybe as early as next week !!!!
And another...
Riewoldt a lion in 08 (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274387)
I don't believe Jack's record on these things is too crash hot...
Chris Bond to be the next senior coach (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321811)
And another...
Riewoldt a lion in 08 (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274387)
I think Jack has been visiting La La Land again
betchsta
20 Jul 2007, 10:32
I think Jack has been visiting La La Land again
Rumour also has it that they may throw in Bartel & Gary Jnr alongside J.Hunt as well as Byrnes just to get Boak to skilled......Cuckooo Cuckoo:rolleyes:
Ling Sting
20 Jul 2007, 10:40
about the only thing he's predicted right is the eventual demise of hank.
The Hulkster
20 Jul 2007, 10:42
Its all well and good to post a big rumour like this and as good as it sounds you really do need to provide a source to give it some credibility. Until that is given then it is all just gossip.
worthogs
20 Jul 2007, 10:52
Boak isnt worth a first round and a fringe player, even if he was in a super draft, he is yet to prove himself and the fact that you can not trade a 1st year player. Pav is not worth 3 round 1 picks and will not go anywhere!
Port will not let any of their young first round picks go, they do not have a big history of trading (young player types not the Byron types).
cat_fanatic_21
20 Jul 2007, 10:53
Please stop asking for a source... its bulllshit for crying out loud!
I'd love to have Boak at the catery but i think we have all the midfield depth we need to see us through our premiership window. Hunt is more of an asset IMO than Boak would be over the next four or five years.
Unless Tenace or Byrnes were part of the deal i wouldn't bother. Kelly and Hunt are too good to give up at the peak of their careers.
Edit: the above post is correct - draftees have to stay with their clubs for at least 2 years so this thread is stupid.
Why would we give up a first round pick and a fringe player, for Boak. For surely we wont. I realise Boak has potential, but what the point when we have arguably the best midflied going around.:confused:
Because Boak will easily be a better prospect then whoever we take at say #15-16 in the upcoming draft.
Boak went pick#5 in argubly the best draft we have seen to date. Over the past 3 weeks he's averaging around 18 disposals.
I would love for this deal to happen, but I can't see it happening for that price. I would offer Tenace, Byrnes and a 1st rounder for Boak if that would seal the deal. Port may have some interest in Varcoe instead though, who's a South Australian.
Would you do Varcoe plus a 1st for Boak?
worthogs
20 Jul 2007, 10:59
Because Boak will easily be a better prospect then whoever we take at say #15-16 in the upcoming draft.
Boak went pick#5 in argubly the best draft we have seen to date. Over the past 3 weeks he's averaging around 18 disposals.
I would love for this deal to happen, but I can't see it happening for that price. I would offer Tenace, Byrnes and a 1st rounder for Boak if that would seal the deal. Port may have some interest in Varcoe instead though, who's a South Australian.
Would you do Varcoe plus a 1st for Boak?
Varcoe
What drug are you on buddy?????????????? Boak is another midfield type which if you look at the 2ns we have got them knocking on the door. We got the better of the deal with Selwood and Port had that chance and blew it. Varcoe is from NT by the wayv and who would this board sponsor if he left!!!!!
tommahawk
20 Jul 2007, 11:02
biggest load of crap i have ever heard in mylife just a guy who is bored and made up shit!
Varcoe
What drug are you on buddy?????????????? Boak is another midfield type which if you look at the 2ns we have got them knocking on the door. We got the better of the deal with Selwood and Port had that chance and blew it. Varcoe is from NT by the wayv and who would this board sponsor if he left!!!!!
I like Varcoe too, but he can be replaced, because you can find good small forwards who can give you excellent defensive pressure. Alwyn Davey in the draft is a perfect example.
Selwood has made more of an impact at this stage then Boak obviously. However, Boak would have better skills by foot, and would probably be the more classier midfielder of the 2 in the future.
If there's a chance to grab Boak for a pick plus a player, we should jump at the oppurtunity. We're still IMHO missing that midfielder who can really deliver the ball by foot, midfielders such as Corey and Kelly (trade bait for a 1st, early 2nd pick) don't have good skills by foot. Travis Boak does.
The Hulkster
20 Jul 2007, 11:07
Just close the thread, as was said earlier Boak cannot even be traded as he was only drafted last year. End of story.
Campbell's Chunky
20 Jul 2007, 11:14
Boak isnt worth a first round and a fringe player, even if he was in a super draft, he is yet to prove himself and the fact that you can not trade a 1st year player. Pav is not worth 3 round 1 picks and will not go anywhere!
Port will not let any of their young first round picks go, they do not have a big history of trading (young player types not the Byron types).
Not true.
You can trade anyone.
17 year olds MUST be given a 2 year contract at the time of draft..and I assume Boak is on a 2 year contract regardless.
Doesnt mean Port can't delist him or trade him.
For example, if they were to delist him, he wouldn't be on their list next year, but they would still be paying him (under the salary cap too) until his contract runs out.
We did this with Alan Obst last year who we drafted in 2005, to get more picks in the 2006 super draft. Whilst he's not on our list, he's still being payed inside our salary cap until the end of this year.
cat_fanatic_21
20 Jul 2007, 11:26
Not true.
You can trade anyone.
17 year olds MUST be given a 2 year contract at the time of draft..and I assume Boak is on a 2 year contract regardless.
Doesnt mean Port can't delist him or trade him.
For example, if they were to delist him, he wouldn't be on their list next year, but they would still be paying him (under the salary cap too) until his contract runs out.
We did this with Alan Obst last year who we drafted in 2005, to get more picks in the 2006 super draft. Whilst he's not on our list, he's still being payed inside our salary cap until the end of this year.
Fair enough, but i doubt Port would trade Boak to us and continue to pay him unless we pay them what their paying him if you know what i mean.:rolleyes:
Fair enough, but i doubt Port would trade Boak to us and continue to pay him unless we pay them what their paying him if you know what i mean.:rolleyes:
Well they wouldn't, we would pick up the remainder of his contract I presume. They would only keep paying him if they were to de-list him, which certainly is not going to happen.
sarah.13
20 Jul 2007, 11:41
Pavlich trade is a pipe dream let alone our involvement.
We need to re-stock Big Key Defensive positions for the loss of Harley,Milburn and Scarlett in 2-3 years time. :(
Pavlich trade is a pipe dream let alone our involvement.
We need to re-stock Big Key Defensive positions for the loss of Harley,Milburn and Scarlett in 2-3 years time. :(
If we keep our 1st pick, we could well use it on a speedy key defender (in the mould of a James Frawley).
We could also pick up Adan Donohue on a F/S, as we probably need a speedy small defender as well for the future.
But I think if we have the chance to get Boak (who would be a top 3 pick this year), we should make every endeavour to do so.
A Boak and Selwood combo in the midfield for the next 10 years, would well just be fantastic.
catswhiskers
20 Jul 2007, 11:51
I agree that it is still more likely that the Pav will stay in the West than return.
A number of dominoes have fallen recently, however, and it is now more likely that Pavlich himself and Freo are assessing his future.
I would like to be as sure of winning the 07 flag as I am that AFL football departments are addressing this possibility right now. Geelong have to be ready should the key domino go down.
TheTimeCometh
20 Jul 2007, 12:01
haha! so it is possible!
one shouldn't be speaking of other's crash-hottedness so quickly.
p 15/16 and byrnes or tenace - for sure look at it. hunt...dunno, i reckon his mind and more importantly - his string - has, quite possibly, lost it. could be good value bait. maybe.
No ones worth 3 1st round picks
Not true.
You can trade anyone.
17 year olds MUST be given a 2 year contract at the time of draft..and I assume Boak is on a 2 year contract regardless.
Doesnt mean Port can't delist him or trade him.
For example, if they were to delist him, he wouldn't be on their list next year, but they would still be paying him (under the salary cap too) until his contract runs out.
We did this with Alan Obst last year who we drafted in 2005, to get more picks in the 2006 super draft. Whilst he's not on our list, he's still being payed inside our salary cap until the end of this year.
Cambells is correct they can trade Boak provided it is in the best interest of Boak.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Williams-changes-tune-about-Pavlich/2007/07/16/1184559686124.html
Read that article and it would appear that Port are going to have a crack at getting Pavlich. Boak is one of the more likely trade options so the rumor is not ridiculous. Love to get a kid of his class, he would slot into that back pocket role that Tenace, Hunt, David Johnson are filling at the moment.
Boak would be a top 3 pick in this draft. I would be happy with our 1st pick + one of Kelly/Prismall/Hunt/Tenace.
No ones worth 3 1st round picks
Ottens was worth two and Pavlich is significantly better than Ottens was at the time of trade. He is also about the same age that Ottens was when traded.
shallow grave
20 Jul 2007, 13:18
. Kelly and Hunt are too good to give up at the peak of their careers.
Oath!
getting really sick of people that must be so bored that they are constantly speculating on trades. Especially players like Kelly. It would be stupid to get rid of him as he is a fine player finding form after a serious injury.We have midfield depth coz players of his calibre are starting on the bench! Think about it.
Can't you people live in the moment?Maybe worry about trades in oct...
Jack-Packenham
20 Jul 2007, 13:34
Barry Brooks was traded from Port to St Kilda after 1 season.
Jack-Packenham
20 Jul 2007, 14:02
I don't believe Jack's record on these things is too crash hot...
Chris Bond to be the next senior coach (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321811)
And another...
Riewoldt a lion in 08 (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274387)
Its not my fault Nick changed hes mind.
If Geelong had lost to Richmond, then Bomber would have been replaced by Chris Bond.
Catempire I will start bringing up some of your big statements and see how much of a legend you have been.
sexyhunk
20 Jul 2007, 14:02
bottom line is if boak is avilable for a 1st and an average player dont you think other vic clubs would be interested. considering hopefully our pick would the last in the 1st round.
sarah.13
20 Jul 2007, 14:15
bottom line is if boak is avilable for a 1st and an average player dont you think other vic clubs would be interested. considering hopefully our pick would the last in the 1st round.
Boak is a Geelong boy and we would be prefered option I would think.
year of the cat
20 Jul 2007, 14:22
If we were to finish 1st or 2nd and only qualify for picks 15-17, then the Boak deal would certainly be worth entertaining. This draft is pretty thin by all reports and so not participating this year may not be such a bad idea if a good trade is available.
Boak, whilst another midfielder, has qualities that may be a little different from our others - he has both pace and good skills. He is also a goal kicker.
Pick 1 plus Byrnes/Hunt/Tenace would be worth a good look.
Our immediate needs are for a tall backman and ruckman. However if Grima is up to it he may fill in as a developing backman, leaving us to pick up a young ruckman with our second pick.
As an aside by participating in this trade which would potentially make Port Adelaide a real premiership threat we may be doing more harm than good to our chances of winning a flag. May actually be better to block the trade...
TheTimeCometh
20 Jul 2007, 14:40
Its not my fault Nick changed hes mind.
If Geelong had lost to Richmond, then Bomber would have been replaced by Chris Bond.
Catempire I will start bringing up some of your big statements and see how much of a legend you have been.
too right - one game, one loss off of change happening.
don't bother bout yer 3rd point jack.
catempire
20 Jul 2007, 14:44
Catempire I will start bringing up some of your big statements and see how much of a legend you have been.
don't bother bout yer 3rd point jack.
I invite either of you to go for your life.
darren forssman
20 Jul 2007, 14:47
Not true.
You can trade anyone.
not according to catempire, if your young and have talent then you do not trade that player.
you have to horde your stocks of talent ala NY Knicks.
Port_GW
20 Jul 2007, 14:48
Pass.....
catempire
20 Jul 2007, 14:49
not according to catempire, if your young and have talent then you do not trade that player.
you have to horde your stocks of talent ala NY Knicks.
"How to take posters out of context"
by darren forssman
Look out for it at Oprah's bookclub.
darren forssman
20 Jul 2007, 14:54
"How to take posters out of context"
by darren forssman
Look out for it at Oprah's bookclub.
pot calling the kettle black (yeah i know, provide proof)....hilarious.
catempire
20 Jul 2007, 14:59
(yeah i know, provide proof)
Wouldn't expect you to start now Dazza.
darren forssman
20 Jul 2007, 15:03
Wouldn't expect you to start now Dazza.
nah, better things to do than play your whimsical lil games my lord.
catempire
20 Jul 2007, 15:08
Like contributing to football discussion... wait, no, that can't be it...
Ling Sting
20 Jul 2007, 15:32
Its not my fault Nick changed hes mind.
If Geelong had lost to Richmond, then Bomber would have been replaced by Chris Bond.
Catempire I will start bringing up some of your big statements and see how much of a legend you have been.
I know you are so what am I.
Pavlich is not the key to Geelong. Infact its fair to say Geelong are the last club of all 16 teams that need Pavlich. Seriously, imiagine how tall your forward line would be? Hawkins,NAblett,Mooney,Ottens, Pavlich. You couldn't possible play all those guys, infact Hawkins wouldn't be playing if NAblett was fit because then your forward line would be to tall. And at the moment you need to play NAblett as much as possible so he can continue his development, and Hawkins will need to playing consistently in the next 2 years. How would you fit them all in? You wouldn't.
CatmanForever
20 Jul 2007, 15:42
Pavlich is not the key to Geelong. Infact its fair to say Geelong are the last club of all 16 teams that need Pavlich. Seriously, imiagine how tall your forward line would be? Hawkins,NAblett,Mooney,Ottens, Pavlich. You couldn't possible play all those guys, infact Hawkins wouldn't be playing if NAblett was fit because then your forward line would be to tall. And at the moment you need to play NAblett as much as possible so he can continue his development, and Hawkins will need to playing consistently in the next 2 years. How would you fit them all in? You wouldn't.
the original post wasn't saying Pavlich was coming to Geelong but that Port would swap Boak for our 1st round draft pick so they can offer a couple of 1st round picks to freo in a possible Pavlich deal to get him to Port.
I think we all agree the whole premise of this thread is BS
Tonycam*
20 Jul 2007, 15:43
This had nothing to do with Pav coming to the Cats has it.
the original post wasn't saying Pavlich was coming to Geelong but that Port would swap Boak for our 1st round draft pick so they can offer a couple of 1st round picks to freo in a possible Pavlich deal to get him to Port.
I think we all agree the whole premise of this thread is BS
I don't agree. Given Port have practically stated intentions to have a shot at Pavlich I think it is something both the cats and Power would be interested in. It is just a matter of price.
CatmanForever
20 Jul 2007, 16:45
This had nothing to do with Pav coming to the Cats has it.
no
I don't agree. Given Port have practically stated intentions to have a shot at Pavlich I think it is something both the cats and Power would be interested in. It is just a matter of price.
unless you or JP can quote a credible source for this rumor then as far as I am concerned it is BS
no
unless you or JP can quote a credible source for this rumor then as far as I am concerned it is BS
WTF do I need a credible source for? I don't care. It seems a logical trade with a bit of merit behind it and therefore I am more interested in discussing the possibility than reading most of the other stuff on this board.
CatmanForever
20 Jul 2007, 17:04
WTF do I need a credible source for? I don't care. It seems a logical trade with a bit of merit behind it and therefore I am more interested in discussing the possibility than reading most of the other stuff on this board.
you're entitled to spend your time on BF reading whatever you wish and if you want to fantasize about getting Boak in a 3 way deal to get the Pav to Port then knock yourself out. :rolleyes:
catzfan
20 Jul 2007, 17:15
would love it to happen though
fishman
20 Jul 2007, 17:24
What' on the History Channel?
Firstly, I'll state that I don't think Pavlich will move.
But ignoring all that, if Port really did need to acquire a second 1st Rounder in any such Pavlich deal, why would they bite on a deal that sent Boak (a promising first year player, whom they obviously rate high enough to have taken him ahead of several others in last years draft) to us for a low-ish pick and a scrub (as per the proposed..)?
I know you have to give up quality to get quality, but if there existed a ranking list of young/valuable assets to give up, Boak would be deadset near the top of 'least likely' (ie others would go long before he would).
This is a mere homer trade.
worthogs
20 Jul 2007, 17:31
Cambells is correct they can trade Boak provided it is in the best interest of Boak.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Williams-changes-tune-about-Pavlich/2007/07/16/1184559686124.html
Read that article and it would appear that Port are going to have a crack at getting Pavlich. Boak is one of the more likely trade options so the rumor is not ridiculous. Love to get a kid of his class, he would slot into that back pocket role that Tenace, Hunt, David Johnson are filling at the moment.
Boak would be a top 3 pick in this draft. I would be happy with our 1st pick + one of Kelly/Prismall/Hunt/Tenace.
Delist yes any one can be delisted, but Im sure there is a law stating they can not be traded till after their first contract is up....
That article is just fluff. Nothing in there about Boak being a prime target. Port would not let him go anyway. They are getting a good 2nd tier midfield back again so they would not want to swap him out....mind you I wold take him for any of what you mentioned, possibly not Pris.
Delist yes any one can be delisted, but Im sure there is a law stating they can not be traded till after their first contract is up....
Come to think of it, I think you may be right.
99% certain that 1st year players are bound to their drafted club for a minimum of two years (the minimum contract) under the current CBA.
Delist yes any one can be delisted, but Im sure there is a law stating they can not be traded till after their first contract is up....
That article is just fluff. Nothing in there about Boak being a prime target. Port would not let him go anyway. They are getting a good 2nd tier midfield back again so they would not want to swap him out....mind you I wold take him for any of what you mentioned, possibly not Pris.
I am pretty sure you can trade a 1st year player and in fact has been done before. Until one of us finds evidence either way though we can put that aside.
What about Andrew Mackie. I remember Port were having a pretty decent crack at getting Mackie not long ago. How do guys feel about him being in the mix?
Someone mentioned Barry Brooks earlier:
From Wikkapedia
Barry Brooks
He was recruited as the number 15 draft pick in the 2001 AFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_AFL_Draft) from Grassy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grassy_Football_Club&action=edit). He failed to make his debut for Port Adelaide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Adelaide_Football_Club) and was traded at the end of the 2002 season to St. Kilda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Kilda_Football_Club) in exchange for picks No. 7 (Steven Salopek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Salopek)) and No. 31 (Joel Perry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Perry)).
So Boak who was drafted pick 5 in the 2006 draft could be traded at the end of 2007 (this year).
darren forssman
20 Jul 2007, 17:57
Like contributing to football discussion... wait, no, that can't be it...
hahahahahaha...stay on topic.
seriously, if we talk about football and it is not to your liking we know nothing. may as well take a more light hearted approach.
Someone mentioned Barry Brooks earlier:
From Wikkapedia
Barry Brooks
He was recruited as the number 15 draft pick in the 2001 AFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_AFL_Draft) from Grassy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grassy_Football_Club&action=edit). He failed to make his debut for Port Adelaide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Adelaide_Football_Club) and was traded at the end of the 2002 season to St. Kilda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Kilda_Football_Club) in exchange for picks No. 7 (Steven Salopek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Salopek)) and No. 31 (Joel Perry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Perry)).
So Boak who was drafted pick 5 in the 2006 draft could be traded at the end of 2007 (this year).
That trade occurred in 2002, which was the last year of the previous CBA. The new CBA then came into effect in 2003 (and will run till 2008, from memory), which probably deems the Brooks example as irrelevant.
Fairly certain one element of the new CBA is that 1st year players are bound to their drafted clubs for a minimum of two years.
crosby123
20 Jul 2007, 18:12
2001 Draft occured at the end of the 2001 season. Trading him at the end of 2002 meant he had been there one year. Bam!
2001 Draft occured at the end of the 2001 season. Trading him at the end of 2002 meant he had been there one year. Bam!
Cheers for that.
As new Collective bargaining agreement was signed in 2003, they are saying rules have changed.
Kittenish
20 Jul 2007, 22:09
I don't see how we want any PA Peons.
Even Playfair>>>>>>>> Port Adelaide.
crosby123
21 Jul 2007, 00:35
Cheers for that.
As new Collective bargaining agreement was signed in 2003, they are saying rules have changed.
I'm 100% an idiot! Should fully read everything I post about.
ben_cats_fan
21 Jul 2007, 02:31
That trade occurred in 2002, which was the last year of the previous CBA. The new CBA then came into effect in 2003 (and will run till 2008, from memory), which probably deems the Brooks example as irrelevant.
Fairly certain one element of the new CBA is that 1st year players are bound to their drafted clubs for a minimum of two years.
IIRC, the club may have to pay-out the remaining year on the contract before a club can delist a player. Not sure on trading
IIRC, the club may have to pay-out the remaining year on the contract before a club can delist a player. Not sure on trading
Fairly certain that applies for any other player (ie not newly drafted players completing their first year of football) - they would have to had to have completed at least 1 year of their deal before being delisted.
The CBA really covers the kids in their first few years - can't screw with them and their contracts.
cats2rise
21 Jul 2007, 23:32
I'd rather keep our First ROunder and go for another Tall Back to replace Harley/Scarlett thanks.
CatmanForever
22 Jul 2007, 01:00
the Cats have too much on their plate to worry about this crap at the moment. Even the people on the PA board say it will never happen.
worthogs
22 Jul 2007, 14:33
Extracts from the AFLPA CBA
- No player can be traded unless he has completed at least one year of his contract
- No contracted player can be delisted by a club midseason, unless receiving permission from the AFL under extreme circumstances
- Draftees must be offered a two-year contract, an increase from one
So in theory this can happen, Reality IT wont
scottydeewah
22 Jul 2007, 14:45
Very rare that you recruit a tall back. Usually you recruit a forward then they move back :D
TheTimeCometh
23 Jul 2007, 15:39
hahahahahaha...stay on topic.
seriously, if we talk about football and it is not to your liking we know nothing. may as well take a more light hearted approach.
light hearted approach? nah, stick to the 'over-stated, expendable' posts we are known for!
edit? not needed!
btw: why wouldn't a 3-way deal be a possibility?
The Floodbuster
24 Jul 2007, 02:05
Boak isnt worth a first round and a fringe player, even if he was in a super draft, he is yet to prove himself and the fact that you can not trade a 1st year player. Pav is not worth 3 round 1 picks and will not go anywhere!
Port will not let any of their young first round picks go, they do not have a big history of trading (young player types not the Byron types).
I agree that this thread is nonsense, on Boak though, he is worth more than a fringe player and a first round pick in this years draft.
Port would of taken Boak at #1 if they had first pick last year as Port has been sourcing him since 2005.