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Some seem to believe that Lynch is doing fine this year, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. His only goal last night came from a play-on after the mark wasn't paid. He had quite a few set shots that either didn't make the distance or just sailed through for a behind.
He has averaged just over a goal a game this year. Now he goes work hard up the ground, and that is useful, but it makes me cringe every time he slips when the ball is near, and when he takes his glove off, and doesn't get the same response from the crowd and when he misses.
A week or two off may be just what the man needs. Get him to spend all his time practicing his set shots. Meanwhile bring Chad Jones in and see how he will go.
Thoughts?
No way - He is too valuable to have out. He keeps the ball up forward.
Mate, Lynchy busts his guts for the Eagles. His goal kicking will turn around.
Some seem to believe that Lynch is doing fine this year, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. His only goal last night came from a play-on after the mark wasn't paid. He had quite a few set shots that either didn't make the distance or just sailed through for a behind.
He has averaged just over a goal a game this year. Now he goes work hard up the ground, and that is useful, but it makes me cringe every time he slips when the ball is near, and when he takes his glove off, and doesn't get the same response from the crowd and when he misses.
A week or two off may be just what the man needs. Get him to spend all his time practicing his set shots. Meanwhile bring Chad Jones in and see how he will go.
Thoughts?
Ummm no. Lynchs year has just been fine. Turn his behinds into goals and his goals into behinds and all of sudden hes having a terrific year. Dont mistake yips for poor form. The yips he has will improve with time and patience. ATM Lynch is doing his role and is contributing. When he stops doing that then drop him. Dont drop him because his kicking isnt up to last years standards.
Lynch unlike Chad Jones will always take the oppositions best defender freeing up the likes of Hansen and Staker to kick the goals they did last night. Very important member of the team
Yeh I agree with the OP. I'm not copletely sold on the big q. For a man of his size he doesn't take many contested marks and is knocked off the ball far to much. There is no reason for him going to ground so often when blokes the size of Kerr stand up through tackles consistently.
Definitely our best option but that's not something I'm entirely happy saying.
Well maybe he;ll have a guy called Fev up there helping him out next year ;)
Yeh I agree with the OP. I'm not copletely sold on the big q. For a man of his size he doesn't take many contested marks and is knocked off the ball far to much. There is no reason for him going to ground so often when blokes the size of Kerr stand up through tackles consistently.
Definitely our best option but that's not something I'm entirely happy saying.
Lynch is told to lead and lead and lead some more. Reason he never takes contested marks is because he is always moving. He frees up the forward line and when hes kicking right he scores the goals too. Im sure if you asked the other 5 members of the forward line if theyd prefer Lynch or Cones all 5 would say Lynch without thinking. The coaching staff give him a job and he does it. Scoring is only a small part of that job
Ambrose Burnside
22 Jul 2007, 22:00
Lynch plays better when he doesn't have time to think. :o There's no way he would have kicked his goal last night if it was ruled a mark and he had to go back and take a set shot.
Ummm no. Lynchs year has just been fine. Turn his behinds into goals and his goals into behinds and all of sudden hes having a terrific year. Dont mistake yips for poor form. The yips he has will improve with time and patience. ATM Lynch is doing his role and is contributing. When he stops doing that then drop him. Dont drop him because his kicking isnt up to last years standards.
Lynch unlike Chad Jones will always take the oppositions best defender freeing up the likes of Hansen and Staker to kick the goals they did last night. Very important member of the team
I do agree with your post, but do we really want to use Lynch as bait for the oppositions better defenders?
We can't just say swap his goals with his behinds, fact of the matter is his kicking is not getting better, and he has had months to improve it. If Chad Jones doesn't attract the oppositions best defender, then one of Hansen and Staker will, giving Jones a better chance of having an effect and possibly kicking a good bag.
Just give the bloke a ball, tell him to spend a lot of time in front of goals from every spot in the 50 and outside the 50 as well. And bring him back into the team when he can kick a goal at least 7 out of 10 times from anywhere. Most of the competitions best forwards could achieve this.
I do agree with your post, but do we really want to use Lynch as bait for the oppositions better defenders?
We can't just say swap his goals with his behinds, fact of the matter is his kicking is not getting better, and he has had months to improve it. If Chad Jones doesn't attract the oppositions best defender, then one of Hansen and Staker will, giving Jones a better chance of having an effect and possibly kicking a good bag.
Just give the bloke a ball, tell him to spend a lot of time in front of goals from every spot in the 50 and outside the 50 as well. And bring him back into the team when he can kick a goal at least 7 out of 10 times from anywhere. Most of the competitions best forwards could achieve this.
Chad Jones isnt the answer. Hes a okay player but the fact he has literally no ability to play any position but FF makes him useless to the team at its current set up. We need Lynch to be able to play FF then move to CHF, and around the ground. Personally I think the answer may be Staker for the long term but for now id keep Staker closer to defense where his confidence can grow ala Drew Petrie.
A forward line of
CHF: Cousins Hansen Embley
FF: Lynch Staker LeCras
Is good enough as it showed last year. People who say lets get Fev are stupid. Id rather back in the blokes we have + a Mitch Brown.
Keyser Soze
22 Jul 2007, 22:07
Lynch plays better when he doesn't have time to think. :o There's no way he would have kicked his goal last night if it was ruled a mark and he had to go back and take a set shot.
Pissed myself laughing when the ump called play on because I knew straight away he would kick it. Set shot I wasn't so sure.
Lynch is a good average forward. He is not a naturally talented player but tries hard and does the team things more often than not.
Comparisons with the gun forwards in the league are unfair as he is not as good as Brown, Fevola, Lloyd etc. Never will be.
Total_Juddshanks
22 Jul 2007, 22:08
Yeh I agree with the OP. I'm not copletely sold on the big q. For a man of his size he doesn't take many contested marks and is knocked off the ball far to much. There is no reason for him going to ground so often when blokes the size of Kerr stand up through tackles consistently.
Definitely our best option but that's not something I'm entirely happy saying.
... Spectacularly wrong.
Lynch took 10 marks on the weekend, by my reckoning more than half of them were contested. He's averaging around 2 marks a game more than he was last year, and based on that I would hazard a guess that he would be leading West Coast in contested marks this year by quite some way
He's had one weakness this season, his goalkicking. Everything other than that has been quality.
TheBigUnit
22 Jul 2007, 22:09
I agree with everything Embers has said. Anyway, there's no chance Woosha will drop Lynch, as he too has been pleased with the job he's been doing. Also, Chad Jones accuracy at goal isn't much better than Lynch's (if not worse :eek:).
What I mean Juddshanks isn't marks 70 out on the lead. I mean true FF marks 20- 30 metres out from goal in packs. He is usually on the deck before the ball even hits the pack, and for a player of his bulk it simply shouldnt be the case.
I don't doubt he is in front for contested marks, as my post said originally, we don't have a better option. But what I would give for one of those big forwards mentioned. I am bitterly disappointed Spaanderman has hurt his knee, as I thought he would have been a perfect pinch hitting ruckman then a good mark up forward.
I appreciate the work rate of the guy, as he is not one of those gifted footballers, but I would love a more reliable focal point. Having Hansen back is a huge bonus.
Embers I'm not asking to de-list the man. He's a forward and he's among our worst kicks for goal. The equation is simple, we don't really need him in our team.
10 marks on the weekend, and 1 goal 2 behinds. Imagine he get's his kicking right and he gets 10 marks and 6 goals 2 behinds. Staker can take the full forward role, but I think Chad Jones can add a lot to our team, he's a great contested mark and does the job as a full forward.
Plus this move will mean Chad Jones can get a bit of AFL experience against great defenders. This will help his development, which is also important.
What I mean Juddshanks isn't marks 70 out on the lead. I mean true FF marks 20- 30 metres out from goal in packs. He is usually on the deck before the ball even hits the pack, and for a player of his bulk it simply shouldnt be the case.
I don't doubt he is in front for contested marks, as my post said originally, we don't have a better option. But what I would give for one of those big forwards mentioned. I am bitterly disappointed Spaanderman has hurt his knee, as I thought he would have been a perfect pinch hitting ruckman then a good mark up forward.
I appreciate the work rate of the guy, as he is not one of those gifted footballers, but I would love a more reliable focal point. Having Hansen back is a huge bonus.
This is his job mate. Hansen leads out to 80m out. He turns around Lynch makes his move. Lynch gets it he turns around and drops it on Seabs or Cox head or he passes it off to a running midfielder. If the midfield is able to run the ball down, Lynch stays at home more.
I find it surprising how so few people see FF and CHF as a duo and a team effort. When a CHF plays well a FF plays well and vice versa. Lynch and Hansen do form a good partnership up forward. Adding Chad Jones into it at this late stage of the season will only complicate things and create a problem where their really isnt one to begin with
jorel6669
22 Jul 2007, 22:41
Whoever told him to work on his kicking over the off-season should be shot. He was far better at set shots last year (particularly long range angles) than this year. All he needed to do this year was improve his body work and contested marking and he would have been a monster.
He is vital to our team. No chance he will be dropped.
Dodgy Barry
22 Jul 2007, 22:51
Whoever told him to work on his kicking over the off-season should be shot. He was far better at set shots last year (particularly long range angles) than this year. All he needed to do this year was improve his body work and contested marking and he would have been a monster.
He himself is to blame for his kicking.
It was well publicised that he was changing his kicking action in the pre-season. After 3 x NAB Cup games / practice matches and after misfiring badly, Sumich came out and told Lynch it was time to go back to the old style.
I'm a Lynch lover (no homo) not hater.
Whoever told him to work on his kicking over the off-season should be shot. He was far better at set shots last year (particularly long range angles) than this year. All he needed to do this year was improve his body work and contested marking and he would have been a monster.
I think that man is Micale your looking to blame and I agree. Dont fix what aint broken guys
Black JuJu
22 Jul 2007, 22:54
Chad Jones isnt the answer.
Well I guess that obsession is over.
I predict Spangher is the next one. ;)
Im not sure that the Q is as unbalanced as some seem to think.
Yes last night he was went down more but it was slippery underfoot. Also the defenders are right on his hammer and using momentum to knock him over. T
There have been plenty of contests where he has beaten 2 opponents and has either goal assisted or kept the ball in our F50.
Im one of those who thinks Q is vital to WC. :thumbsu:
Well I guess that obsession is over.
I predict Spangher is the next one. ;)
I thought it was a well known fact my obsessions end after the debuts. :). Spangher is next btw.
Chad Jones in the end let me down. Hes a very good player but he needs 1 year away from the game to develop a fitness base to a level that is acceptable at AFL level. He just wasnt fit enough for AFL footy
Embers you came too quickly about Jones. ;)
sydney eagle
22 Jul 2007, 23:12
I noticed that Big Q seemed to be playing more as a Centre Half Forward against Sydney with Hansen playing closer to goal than he usually does. Could this be the future forward set up ?
Embers you came too quickly about Jones. ;)
LOL you are right though. Hes a work in progress for now
People have over optimistic expectations about Lynch, wanting him to be gun FF which he'll probably never be.
I'm sure everyone wants him to be better, including Lynch himself, but in terms of someone putting everything into it week after week, there's not many better.
I'm happy enough with him, as are his team-mates and I dare say, Woosha.
How can you not love this face ;)
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5261411,00.jpg
Lion El'Johnson
22 Jul 2007, 23:37
Chad Jones kicks as many, if not more, behinds than Lynch does.
I thought it was a well known fact my obsessions end after the debuts. :). Spangher is next btw.
Chad Jones in the end let me down. Hes a very good player but he needs 1 year away from the game to develop a fitness base to a level that is acceptable at AFL level. He just wasnt fit enough for AFL footy
Chad Jones wasnt a let down. Hitting 5 posts instead of goals was bad luck. He played 2 games, first of which he got 3 goals. Second was a game we got slaughtered by a pissload of points and the ball barely touched our forwardline. He needs more practice at AFL level. Hes better than that bonehead Lynch who sprays it wildly 90% of his shots. Everyone keeps saying he will get better, well ive been waiting 3 bloody years.... WHAT NOW?
His marking got better. Thats the only positive i can find for Lynch. Im not saying we need to find a spot for Chad Jones. Im saying we need to drop the waste of space Lynch and give it straight to Chad Jones. Even if its only for 3 or 4 weeks just to see what happens. Even if it fails, what are we gonna lose? A goal a game?
Chad Jones kicks as many, if not more, behinds than Lynch does.
Even though posters are only just missing, his conversion rate was still much better than Lynches. And also, a poster is a helluva lot closer than onthefull/blatant wide shot.
Even though posters are only just missing, his conversion rate was still much better than Lynches. And also, a poster is a helluva lot closer than onthefull/blatant wide shot.
Hes referring to Chad Jones 4 goals 7 in the WAFL this week
Keyser Soze
22 Jul 2007, 23:50
People have over optimistic expectations about Lynch, wanting him to be gun FF which he'll probably never be.
I'm sure everyone wants him to be better, including Lynch himself, but in terms of someone putting everything into it week after week, there's not many better.
I'm happy enough with him, as are his team-mates and I dare say, Woosha.
:thumbsu::thumbsu:Endorse these views completely.
Lion El'Johnson
22 Jul 2007, 23:54
Not just this week. Every week. Even with the Roos he missed a lot. I'm still hopeful he'll progress into a very good player. Lynch is only 24 too.
italia_champions69
23 Jul 2007, 00:49
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Black JuJu
23 Jul 2007, 00:55
Just needs to get back to kicking at goal as well as he was in the second half of last season. Seriously, that's the only thing that's letting him down. He'll never be a superstar but for a player of his ability, it's only his kicking at goal, set shots in particular, that is lacking.
Dodgy Barry
23 Jul 2007, 00:56
Dud Dud Dud!!!!
Banned Banned Banned:cool:
italia_champions69
23 Jul 2007, 01:00
Banned Banned Banned:cool:
Who gives a ****???? got 6 other profiles anyway ;););) argue with ya then buddy boy!!! FERAL FERAL FERAL!!!
Scotland
23 Jul 2007, 01:06
People have over optimistic expectations about Lynch, wanting him to be gun FF which he'll probably never be.
People are stupid.
I'm ok with having a big name midfield and a workhorse forward line. We won the flag last year, so as a team we must be alright.
Lynch is a demi-god. All hail Lynch.
Ted Ed Fred
23 Jul 2007, 01:11
Lynch has been very good this year apart from his accuracy which has been extremely poor. And he's not Robinson Crusoe there.
Some seem to believe that Lynch is doing fine this year, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. His only goal last night came from a play-on after the mark wasn't paid. He had quite a few set shots that either didn't make the distance or just sailed through for a behind.
He has averaged just over a goal a game this year. Now he goes work hard up the ground, and that is useful, but it makes me cringe every time he slips when the ball is near, and when he takes his glove off, and doesn't get the same response from the crowd and when he misses.
A week or two off may be just what the man needs. Get him to spend all his time practicing his set shots. Meanwhile bring Chad Jones in and see how he will go.
Thoughts?
Thoughts? okay you have no idea that's my thoughts.......
Chad Jones is no good trust me. At this point of his career he is a good WAFL player.....With Hansen back our best and only option is the big Q to be at FF. Yes his kicking sucks but he is still better than any other option......
Total_Juddshanks
23 Jul 2007, 01:27
This is his job mate. Hansen leads out to 80m out. He turns around Lynch makes his move. Lynch gets it he turns around and drops it on Seabs or Cox head or he passes it off to a running midfielder. If the midfield is able to run the ball down, Lynch stays at home more.
I find it surprising how so few people see FF and CHF as a duo and a team effort. When a CHF plays well a FF plays well and vice versa. Lynch and Hansen do form a good partnership up forward.
Don't quote me on this, but you are basically spot on, although I disagree about Chad Jones, there's room for a third tall in the forward line, its just that this week it was Staker.
Against Sydney, our tall forward rotation worked well. We moved the ball forward fluently, we got 8 goals out of our FF/CHF/Third Tall rotation, but most importantly, the big men were leading to the right spots, providing secondary leads and backing up for each other, and consequentially when Lynch or Hansen took a grab on the wing and turned around, they immediately had another option closer to goal presenting.
When that is happening its more or less irrelevant who is actually getting amongst the goals, the team will more often than not kick a winning total in those circumstances.
And regarding pack marks being the be all and end all of full forwards, that's actually not the case at all- the really prolific 70. 75+ goal a year players are more often than not, not distinguished for their pack marking- the likes of Neitz, Lloyd, Fevola and even Hall tend to be less about huge soaring grabs in goal squares, and more about strong hands on the lead and accurate set shots from the 40m out, slight angle position where most of their marks are taken- that's a traditional FFs bread and butter.
The big pack marks are usually the province of the third tall who plays deeper behind key leading forwards- Hunter, Seaby and Staker in recent years. We actually have some pretty handy people in that role, its just that a forward banking on pack marks for their scoring cannot be relied upon to kick a winning score.
Keyser Soze
23 Jul 2007, 01:33
Don't quote me on this, but you are basically spot on, although I disagree about Chad Jones, there's room for a third tall in the forward line, its just that this week it was Staker.
Against Sydney, our tall forward rotation worked well. We moved the ball forward fluently, we got 8 goals out of our FF/CHF/Third Tall rotation
If you include Cox resting forward as part of that we got 11 goals from tall forwards, and with straighter kicking that could've been 15 or 16.
I'd settle for that any week.
Yer take out the fullforward and you have 10 goals for that combination......
Considering Chad Jones is a better kick for goal, is better at ground level than Lynch(lets face it who wouldnt be!), the only other thing Lynch has going for him is that the guy is built like an OX!
Who gives a ****???? got 6 other profiles anyway
A 'professional' troll - well prepared for the inevitable :rolleyes:
Probably wears different disguises each time he goes out (if he dares ?) to avoid getting the crap beaten out of him all the time :thumbsd:
Hes referring to Chad Jones 4 goals 7 in the WAFL this week
And didnt Lynch the other week get like 5 goals 8 with an out of bounds on the full?
How often does Chad Jones kick more points than goals in his games.
Lynch has managed just 5 games this year where hes kicked more Goals than behinds.
Of the top 50 goal kickers this year in the AFL, do you wanna know who is dead last for conversion rate? Lynch...
Im still failing to see the upside to him.
Underdog
23 Jul 2007, 02:22
He has averaged just over a goal a game this year. Now he goes work hard up the ground, and that is useful, but it makes me cringe every time he slips when the ball is near, and when he takes his glove off, and doesn't get the same response from the crowd and when he misses.
Did you copy this from the transcript of the commentating last night?
:rolleyes:
Yer they did say that... :P
But its true he fell over 3 times last night.
its easy to see he was trying though
Underdog
23 Jul 2007, 02:36
it was a slippery ground and they did say the Eagles changed boots so there were obvious issues.
I don't recall it ever being a problem in the past though
And didnt Lynch the other week get like 5 goals 8 with an out of bounds on the full?
How often does Chad Jones kick more points than goals in his games.
Lynch has managed just 5 games this year where hes kicked more Goals than behinds.
Of the top 50 goal kickers this year in the AFL, do you wanna know who is dead last for conversion rate? Lynch...
Im still failing to see the upside to him.
Chad Jones actually kicks alot of behinds. He also doesnt take shots from 60m out nor does he take shots from the boundary line ie. Lynch. Lynch is still very high up on our score assists tally which people seem to ignore alot.
Lynch brings something Chad Jones cannot atm. Hard work and determination. He has the fitness required for a AFL player. Lynchy fitness really is incredible. I very very rarely see him on the bench and he just works and works. Until one of Chad Jones or Mitch Brown get fit enough they wont be more useful then Quinten Lynch. People still forget Lynch is only in his 3rd year at full forward. It will take him another 2 years till hes at his best in that position.
How many of the worst goal convertors in the AFL go on to be even a decent FF. Lynch is simply filling the spot till we find someone else. In 2 years, i have doubts hell even be there.
M Brown wont be there next year but possibly the year after. I still think Jones deserves a test of more than a week and a week demolishing
Fit as Lynch is hes, is slow and not very athletic nor is he graceful... at all. I dont think we need our FF to be superfit anyway. Im sick of seeing our FF kicking goals from 60+. Think about Tony Lockett, Gary Ablett. How often did you see those guys run off outside the 50. They didnt because a FF kicks goals. Quinten Lynch cant kick goals. 3 years is a fairly long time in that position. Look at Lance Franklin. The guy is 20 and a goal kicking machine. He didnt need 5 years to adjust....
Score Assist isnt the point of a FF. Let Hansen and the other guys do that.
PS. If im getting a bit over the top its because i am absolutely disgusted at how bad the eagles have had our forwardline for years. I feel we have a geniune oppurtunity to give a guy who can kick a goal a chance...
How many of the worst goal convertors in the AFL go on to be even a decent FF. Lynch is simply filling the spot till we find someone else. In 2 years, i have doubts hell even be there.
M Brown wont be there next year but possibly the year after. I still think Jones deserves a test of more than a week and a week demolishing
Fit as Lynch is hes, is slow and not very athletic nor is he graceful... at all. I dont think we need our FF to be superfit anyway. Im sick of seeing our FF kicking goals from 60+. Think about Tony Lockett, Gary Ablett. How often did you see those guys run off outside the 50. They didnt because a FF kicks goals. Quinten Lynch cant kick goals. 3 years is a fairly long time in that position. Look at Lance Franklin. The guy is 20 and a goal kicking machine. He didnt need 5 years to adjust....
Score Assist isnt the point of a FF. Let Hansen and the other guys do that.
PS. If im getting a bit over the top its because i am absolutely disgusted at how bad the eagles have had our forwardline for years. I feel we have a geniune oppurtunity to give a guy who can kick a goal a chance...
Jonathon Brown has had woeful conversion this year. Lance Franklin has 49.40. Score assist is the point of a FF id say. Especially one who plays the role Lynch does
Lynch kicking is getting better. I think his last 20 goals hes only kicked like 13 behinds which is a pretty good ratio. It was the first 2 months where it was real bad. He got 3 straight against Port didnt he. He was BOG that day. How quickly people forget
How many of the worst goal convertors in the AFL go on to be even a decent FF. Lynch is simply filling the spot till we find someone else. In 2 years, i have doubts hell even be there.
M Brown wont be there next year but possibly the year after. I still think Jones deserves a test of more than a week and a week demolishing
Fit as Lynch is hes, is slow and not very athletic nor is he graceful... at all. I dont think we need our FF to be superfit anyway. Im sick of seeing our FF kicking goals from 60+. Think about Tony Lockett, Gary Ablett. How often did you see those guys run off outside the 50. They didnt because a FF kicks goals. Quinten Lynch cant kick goals. 3 years is a fairly long time in that position. Look at Lance Franklin. The guy is 20 and a goal kicking machine. He didnt need 5 years to adjust....
Score Assist isnt the point of a FF. Let Hansen and the other guys do that.
PS. If im getting a bit over the top its because i am absolutely disgusted at how bad the eagles have had our forwardline for years. I feel we have a geniune oppurtunity to give a guy who can kick a goal a chance...
You are really underestimating the importance of having such a massive presence the the forward line. Lynch provides that and he uses his mass very well. Our forward line is easily the youngest part of our setup and I really think removing Lynch for someone like Cones leaves it pretty unbalanced.. just too small. I was very impressed with Cones but I think the setup would be better with LeCras/Cones/Lynch, eventually.
You are also overlooking the fact that Lynch has not been playing as our main FF much, and his efforts have very obviously been directed towards being a link at CHF rather then the goal kicking FF. You are referring to him being at FF taking marks at 70m.. not correct.
He's been doing a pretty good job as that link man and I am happy with his efforts there. You might recall last year we were bemoaning his marking, he kept dropping them? This weekend he took 10 marks. Very good target, hugely improved. Woosh has recognised this and has been using him very skillfully to that effect.
Yips aren't the end of the world. He will get it back but more importantly he is still very useful to the team even with his yips..
Yips arent the end of the world. Horrible kicking is.
Who is he linking to? Thats the point of HFF. Link men. Whats the point of having all the mass and marking it if hes not taking it 15 -30 out.... He ends up linking to Le Cras :S
I think youll find Chad Jones is taller than Lynch just not as well built. If they could find a way to do like you said get Jones in, and leave him in the goal square then i think it could work. However i dont think that the Eagles would have both in at the same time.
Meh my arguments pretty invalid anyway as Woosha will never drop Lynch
Btw i am very impressed with his marking this year. Much better than last year.
Special Agent
23 Jul 2007, 16:17
Quinten Lynch cant kick goals.
What about the 60 odd he kicked last year?
Also kicked more goals than any other player in the finals.
In the 3 games Chad Jones played:
Jones: 3.6
Lynch: 4.2
Ambrose Burnside
23 Jul 2007, 16:27
Meh my arguments pretty invalid anyway as Woosha will never drop Lynch
He did it in 2005, and it was one of the major reasons we lost that Grand Final :thumbsd:
What about the 60 odd he kicked last year?
Also kicked more goals than any other player in the finals.
In the 3 games Chad Jones played:
Jones: 3.6
Lynch: 4.2
Quinten Lynch played longer than most players in the finals and if Barry Hall wasnt held to 0 he would have kicked mor e. Chad Jones hit the post 5 times. It is a point but a helluva lot closer than Lynch.
Chad Jones had just kicked 30 in the WAFL over 6 weeks. Lynch manages 60 over 26 games and your congratulating him? Yes it was a good effort in the end but Chad Jones ACTUALLY CAN KICK FOR GOAL. Lynch was purely luck to get his only goal last weekend he probably wasnt even going for goal more likely just popping it up for someone to mark.
Also we didnt lose the GrandFinal because we dropped Lynch. He was even more horrible that year. If anything we were closer without the ox
STFU sTeeL - we wouldn't be the premiers if it wasn't for Lynch, he is the best option at FF and Worsfold knows it.
He was the only option at FF. Dont you get that. We are finally getting some options and if Fev comes to the Eagles the Lynch wont see another game.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=19&pid1=1372&tid2=19&pid2=575
Have a look at comparison. Chad Jones is 2 cm taller, 5 KG lighter, 1 year 4 months younger. He didnt have a huge impact in those games he played. But he has played 9 AFL games. Lynch is about to hit his 100. If Chad Jones can bulk up a bit, get a bit more fitness and some games under his belt id have no doubt that the guy would be better than Lynch. Lets face it theres 49 other guys out there in the top50 goal kickers already better than him.
Thoughts? okay you have no idea that's my thoughts.......
Chad Jones is no good trust me. At this point of his career he is a good WAFL player.....With Hansen back our best and only option is the big Q to be at FF. Yes his kicking sucks but he is still better than any other option......
I'm not suggesting that Chad Jones is the better option, you people aren't getting my point here.
Lynch has had a pretty good season, his marking has improved and his goal assists have been very helpful. I am in no way suggestin that Chad Jones is a better option than Lynch, but rather Lynch needs a week off to work on his kicking. During this week off, we could (as suggested in my OP) give Chad Jones a go as the main FF to help develop his skills at the same time.
I know Lynch won't get dropped, but I think it will do more good then harm.
Special Agent
23 Jul 2007, 18:10
Quinten Lynch played longer than most players in the finals and if Barry Hall wasnt held to 0 he would have kicked mor e.
If he had kicked more than no goals he would have kicked more. This point makes no sense.
Chad Jones hit the post 5 times. It is a point but a helluva lot closer than Lynch.
Why was Lynch more accurate than Jones when both were playing in the same team. Hitting the post scores 1 point. As the ball did not go through the goals it is recorded as a point and is therefore considered to be an inaccurate shot on goal.
Chad Jones had just kicked 30 in the WAFL over 6 weeks. Lynch manages 60 over 26 games and your congratulating him?
Surely you aren't comparing the quality of the AFL and WAFL?
Yes it was a good effort in the end but Chad Jones ACTUALLY CAN KICK FOR GOAL.
Then why did he miss so many shots on goal when he was in the team?
Lets face it theres 49 other guys out there in the top50 goal kickers already better than him.
Incorrect, statistically there are only 16 goal kickers better than him.
Special Agent, surely you're not comparing Lynch's AFL performance to Chad Jones' AFL performance. Chad Jones was just taken off our rookie list and went right into the team 2 weeks later.
Chad Jones probably suffered yips in his first two games. A few more games under his belt and the pressure wont get to him so much. Leave him alone in FF and see what kind of effect he can have.
Special Agent
23 Jul 2007, 18:32
Special Agent, surely you're not comparing Lynch's AFL performance to Chad Jones' AFL performance. Chad Jones was just taken off our rookie list and went right into the team 2 weeks later.
Steel is using Chad Jones AFL and WAFL to performance to argue that he is of more worth than Lynch, who has been a solid contributor all year and kicked 60 goals in a premiership season.
I'm not trying to criticise Chad Jones because he didn't really get much of a chance to prove himself because he was brought into the team for two of our poorest performances in years. However, he has been inaccurate all year in the WAFL as well with 4.7 this weekend. It's not like he's been a deadeye dick at a lower level and got the yips when he's played AFL.
Quinten Lynch played longer than most players in the finals and if Barry Hall wasnt held to 0 he would have kicked mor e. Chad Jones hit the post 5 times. It is a point but a helluva lot closer than Lynch.
Chad Jones had just kicked 30 in the WAFL over 6 weeks. Lynch manages 60 over 26 games and your congratulating him? Yes it was a good effort in the end but Chad Jones ACTUALLY CAN KICK FOR GOAL. Lynch was purely luck to get his only goal last weekend he probably wasnt even going for goal more likely just popping it up for someone to mark.
Also we didnt lose the GrandFinal because we dropped Lynch. He was even more horrible that year. If anything we were closer without the ox
I agree with some of what you are saying mate. I don't think Lynch is the be all and end all, but I do think that he is a solid contributor atm.. i think you are overexaggerating a bit much in order to make your points. Saying 'if Barry Hall wasn't held to 0 he would have kicked more' is completely irrelevant - it's like saying if we kicked 200pts against Port we would have won.
Lynch's yips have pissed me off this year, considering how he was developing last year, but you really can't fault the rest of the work he's been doing - linking to LeCras etc who's accuracy has been excellent as well as kicking 1+ goals a game. I personally believe that Cones will end up as our FF in the next few years once he was developed the body a bit and Lynchy will play a more secondary role... but Cones isn't ready to be there permenantly yet. Lynch/Hansen really is our next best option.
But it is naive to think that Lynch won't improve during Jones/LeCras's development over the next 1-2 years. You can't compare performance in the WAFL to AFL at all.. believe me if i say that if Lynch was dropped back to WAFL he would likely be kicking bags of 10...
Till our younger forwards are a bit more developed you will have to grin and bear what we have IMO.
Till our younger forwards are a bit more developed you will have to grin and bear what we have IMO.
Or until we grab Fev! :D
Or until we grab Fev! :D
I salivate at that thought... we'd be unstoppable :D:D
Just as long as we don't have to give up too much for it, otherwise it just isn't worth it.
Incorrect, statistically there are only 16 goal kickers better than him.
Its in regards to accuracy, not goals kicked. Anyone can have a thousand kick at goals it doesnt really help if they are all points.
Im also not saying he is definately worth more than Lynch. But from set shots, does it matter if its AFL or WAFL. Pretty sure the goals are the same width. I feel he needed more of a chance to prove himself and he deserved it. And like someone said, it might give Lynch some sight to see his spot isnt cemented and might work a little harder on his kicking.
But if we get Fev, doesnt matter, Lynch nor Jones would see another game unless he was injured. God i hope we get him.
Serious, if the guy could get some accuracy itd be fantastic. Looking at his stats it appears his accuracy has taken a dive from even 2005. Ive made my point anyway. Not many of you agree and thats your own choice.
94_Eagles
23 Jul 2007, 22:36
Fev is bloody erratic. It remains to be seen if a new club would straighten him out.