Has Essendon's interests in Recycled Players cost us now

[bomberlegend2007]

I think that the recycled players we have got over the years as cost us now a few players are
Justin Murphy
Matthew Allan
Scott Camporeale
Damian Cupido
Ty Zantuck
Chris Heffernan

These few players have cost us a few draft picks
What do you guys think

[Darealrath]

Cupido's talent was definately worth it.
Murphy had a very good first season with us before falling away.
Allan was probably worth a punt.
If Campo had been fit he probably would have been worth it but was too old when we got him anyway.
Heff was a waste. Hasn't played consistent good footy since 2000.
Zantuck could play.

We gave up so little for each of them that it's hard to call.

They've all cost younger guys games but who knows what impact that has had. Might even have been good for them.

[ManWithNoName]

Matty Allan cost us pick 72 (give or take) and did what he needed to do. I thought he was pretty good.

[marcuz]

I think that the recycled players we have got over the years as cost us now a few players are
Justin Murphy
Matthew Allan
Scott Camporeale
Damian Cupido
Ty Zantuck
Chris Heffernan

These few players have cost us a few draft picks
What do you guys think

How did they cost us picks?

Murphy and cupido were player swaps and campo, zantuck and heff were all pre-season selections. Allan was pick 70 odd. We've kept all our early picks and in a lot of cases have traded into the first and second rounds to have multiple picks early in the draft.

[red+black]

We should have got Blumfield back.

[Crave]

We should have got Blumfield back.

Barely rated a mention at Richmond. Much like Heff....way past their optimum.

[Philzsay]

None of them has cost us much in terms of draft choices or players given up for them.

As for whether they have cost younger players games, well I think that if the younger players couldn't force these average players out of the team then the youngers players at the time didn't deserve to get a game.

[Boris_Bewick]

Barely rated a mention at Richmond. Much like Heff....way past their optimum.

Did rip a quad off the bone early on I think. Agree with you mostly, but should be taken into consideration.

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

and richie cole, what pick did he cost us, Was it 23?

[angus6]

and richie cole, what pick did he cost us, Was it 23?
that is by far the worst of the lot! They have just got us back for when we screwed them on the ricky olarenshaw trade.:mad:

[Crave]

None of them has cost us much in terms of draft choices or players given up for them.

As for whether they have cost younger players games, well I think that if the younger players couldn't force these average players out of the team then the youngers players at the time didn't deserve to get a game.

Kinda like your grandma giving you her old Datsun 180B...didnt have to outlay much to get it, but not worth much in the end either.

[KingMullet]

As far as cost goes Cole was the worst of the lot, Im pretty sure he was a swap with pick 23. I thought Cupido was effectively a swap for Caracella. With his talent he was worth the punt, shame he didnt have the heart.

Another one you could probably add to the list was Mark Alvey. At the time he was probably worth the punt but didnt work out in the end.

[Daytripper]

that is by far the worst of the lot! They have just got us back for when we screwed them on the ricky olarenshaw trade.:mad:

Ryan Cook was the selection that Collingwood took with pick 23.

They've hardly screwed us over !

[bomberlegend2007]

and richie cole, what pick did he cost us, Was it 23?
He was the worst by far he only played 2 games

[ManWithNoName]

Kinda like your grandma giving you her old Datsun 180B...didnt have to outlay much to get it, but not worth much in the end either.
Without Matty Allan our most experienced ruckmen would've been Hille (40 odd games) and Laycock (about 2).

[Dan26]

Id rather never go for a recycled player unless they are young and we see something in them that makes them worth a punt. McPhee is a good example of that. He was 21 when he joined us and had been in the system for two years.

Getting players 26 year of age, or over from other club rarely works.

Cupido was worth it because he was young AND had talent. The others on that list have all fallen by the wayside and if we had kept the draft picks we had given up, those draft picks would now be entetring their 3rd, 4th and 5th years. In theory, those draft picks we gave up could represent one fifth of out current team.

Sure not all those draft picks would have worked, but you'd get a lot more from them than 5 recycled has-beens. And if those draft picks DID work, you get 8-10 years out of a player, rather than 2 at most from a recycled has-been.

[Dan26]

1.) Paul Salmon - we gave up pick number 50 in November 2001

2.) Cupido we obtained for Caracella in November 2002

3.) Matthew Allan, we gave up draft pick number 57 in November 2003

4.) Mark Alvey we obtained for Danny Jacobs in November 2003

5.) Justin Murphy we obtained for Cory McGrath

6.) Ty Zantuck we picked up for free in the pre-season draft of '05 (which sounds good, but remember someone else could have come on the list if we didn't pick him and that "someone else" would have done more than what he did.

7.) Richard Cole we obtained for giving up pick 23 in November 2005

8.) Camporeale we got for free in the pre-season draft of '06. Whilst he is classy he hasn't really delivered due to injury, and mixed form.

9.) Heffernan we also got for free in the pre-season draft of 2006.

Now if we had obtained NONE of those players, the current scenario would be as follows.:

*Pick 50 from 2001 and 57 from 2003 may still be on the list. If even one of them became a regualr senior players that player would have been worth more than the short term "one season" value we got out of Salmon and Allan

*Cupido was worth the punt cannot complain and delivered about as much as Caracella did at his new home. Caracells would have been with us and then probably delisted soon after.

*Jacobs would have been handy, instead of Alvey, who did nothing for us.

* Not picking up Zantuck (instead, having no pick in that pre-season draft) would have meant another selection in the national draft and getting an 18 year old. Same with Campo and Heffernan. That's three extra 18 year olds we got have got from the national draft in '05 and '06 instead of getting the three players that havn't worked.

* We would have had pick 23 in November 2005


So, we would have had as many as SIX draft picks in the national draft over that time instead of the 9 failed "punts" listed above. If 3 of those 6 had become good players, we'd be in a far better position now.

[ManWithNoName]

Allan wasn't a failure or a punt, as I've explained above.

[1980GFVideo]

Sheeds used the be the master of either

Getting rid of a bloke for good return (Delaney for Lloyd etc) with that bloke not doing much at this new club so no bad loss.

Might have been because he had played his best football because of age or being surrounded by a good side.

OR

Picking up someone cheap (trade wise) who became a good player.

The earlier Sheeds would have exploited the hell out of the bloke he has become in recent years.

[DaSawx]

4.) Mark Alvey we obtained for Danny Jacobs in November 2003

We also got Kepler ;)

[Daytripper]

1.) Paul Salmon - we gave up pick number 50 in November 2001

2.) Cupido we obtained for Caracella in November 2002

3.) Matthew Allan, we gave up draft pick number 57 in November 2003

4.) Mark Alvey we obtained for Danny Jacobs in November 2003

5.) Justin Murphy we obtained for Cory McGrath

6.) Ty Zantuck we picked up for free in the pre-season draft of '05 (which sounds good, but remember someone else could have come on the list if we didn't pick him and that "someone else" would have done more than what he did.

7.) Richard Cole we obtained for giving up pick 23 in November 2005

8.) Camporeale we got for free in the pre-season draft of '06. Whilst he is classy he hasn't really delivered due to injury, and mixed form.

9.) Heffernan we also got for free in the pre-season draft of 2006.

Now if we had obtained NONE of those players, the current scenario would be as follows.:

*Pick 50 from 2001 and 57 from 2003 may still be on the list. If even one of them became a regualr senior players that player would have been worth more than the short term "one season" value we got out of Salmon and Allan

*Cupido was worth the punt cannot complain and delivered about as much as Caracella did at his new home. Caracells would have been with us and then probably delisted soon after.

*Jacobs would have been handy, instead of Alvey, who did nothing for us.

* Not picking up Zantuck (instead, having no pick in that pre-season draft) would have meant another selection in the national draft and getting an 18 year old. Same with Campo and Heffernan. That's three extra 18 year olds we got have got from the national draft in '05 and '06 instead of getting the three players that havn't worked.

* We would have had pick 23 in November 2005


So, we would have had as many as SIX draft picks in the national draft over that time instead of the 9 failed "punts" listed above. If 3 of those 6 had become good players, we'd be in a far better position now.

And those 6 players would all be duds and most probably be delisted by now.

2001 - Paul Salmon
Players drafted after pick 50.
Pick 51 - pass
Pick 52 - Andrew Browne
Pick 53 - Daniel Hunt
Pick 54 - Ben Robbins
No world-beaters there.

2003 - Matthew Allan
Pick 57 - Ricky Mott

2005 - only 4 players picked after our last choice in that draft (Austin Lucy).
Heath Neville
Tim Hutchinson
Jonathan Giles
Justin Sweeney
Personally I would prefer Campo and Heff to any of those 4 :rolleyes:

2005 - Richard Cole
Pick 23 - Ryan Cook
No harm done there.

The draft is not a panacea for success and most players picked at 40+ fail. Its extremely simplistic to think that just because a kid gets drafted he will automatically make it.

In most cases taking a proven commodity has more value than taking a draft selection (especially 3rd round and beyond)

[Lance Uppercut]

In most cases taking a proven commodity has more value than taking a draft selection (especially 3rd round and beyond)

absolutely agree

[Kaiser Powser]

None of these cost us anything and these 'top up players' at least kept the team competitive during 2002-2004, where we made the second week of the finals every year.

Cole was the only real bad decision. Hopefully Cook doesn't turn into a player, the filth would be unbearable about the whole situation.