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TELLIMAN1
13 Aug 2007, 14:04
his game yesterday was one of many crappy displays!! undisciplined, skills letting him down and not accountable. Is there a problem or is he just havin a year to forget??even though i love watchin him when hes up and going is he tradeable??
I thought he was good. Worked hard and gave it his all. I think there would be many, many, players that would warrant criticism before McPhee.
He is very tradeable and it's time to make some tough decisions.
sameolds
13 Aug 2007, 14:14
He is very tradeable and it's time to make some tough decisions.
his reputation is exceeding his ability by quite a bit, and people are starting to see that. he'll always have a job in the social pages to fall back on
kelvin_sheedy
13 Aug 2007, 14:23
I thought he was good yesterday and could hold his head up high.
Can you please elaborate on which parts you thought were bad.
Only error I can think off is when he stepped out of bounds.
dont bowl there
13 Aug 2007, 14:23
I thought he was good. Worked hard and gave it his all. I think there would be many, many, players that would warrant criticism before McPhee.
He was absolutely shocking for you guys yesterday, his chasing and 1%'s were almost non existent. Add to that his ball skills and decision making skills are well below par, I think he was one of your worst.
Daytripper
13 Aug 2007, 14:26
I thought he was good. Worked hard and gave it his all. I think there would be many, many, players that would warrant criticism before McPhee.
With Bolton and Kepler out of the side, Essendon fans need a new scapegoat and its seems poor McPhee is it.
Never mind that he's been one of our more consistent players all year.
He had 16 possessions yesterday at 100% effectivness as well as 8 marks and was one of only 4 players who spent the whole game on the ground.
Doesn't stop people never letting facts get in the way of a good story though.
The problem with McPhee is he is not a smart footballer with the ball in his hands. He can run everywhere take marks and spoil but put the ball in his hands and you get the stop start version. More often than not he has three or four false starts before delivering the footy. In modern day footy coach's dont like the players holding the ball for longer than three seconds when they want to attack and McPhee breaks this rule a lot. When he is in the back half he goes sideways a lot. Most of the time when he gets the footy his disposal is not damaging becasue he nearly always goes to a short option.
He is tradeable and any trades should be looked at but im hoping that a new coach may give him a role on a wing where he can just run around everywhere all day and play to his strengths. In the last few years he has stopped backing himself when he has had the footy , there is no longer the run and bounce that he used to have. Get rid of the 6 pack (and no not the beer version ) Adam and put more focus on your ability to run :thumbsu:
Daytripper
13 Aug 2007, 14:28
He was absolutely shocking for you guys yesterday, his chasing and 1%'s were almost non existent. Add to that his ball skills and decision making skills are well below par, I think he was one of your worst.
Any examples you'd care to share with us because Champion Data happen to disagree.
rioli brownlow
13 Aug 2007, 14:29
I thought he was good yesterday and could hold his head up high.
Can you please elaborate on which parts you thought were bad.
Only error I can think off is when he stepped out of bounds.
so you weren't watching when solly who was his direct opponent kepted getting the ball in the clear most of the time.
and when he run to far in the freos forward pocket that resulted in a free kick to tarrant who then went on to kick a goal
Kaiser Powser
13 Aug 2007, 14:32
With Bolton and Kepler out of the side, Essendon fans need a new scapegoat and its seems poor McPhee is it.
Never mind that he's been one of our more consistent players all year.
He had 16 possessions yesterday at 100% effectivness as well as 8 marks and was one of only 4 players who spent the whole game on the ground.
Doesn't stop people never letting facts get in the way of a good story though.
Spot on.
Smyth94
13 Aug 2007, 14:37
With Bolton and Kepler out of the side, Essendon fans need a new scapegoat and its seems poor McPhee is it.
Never mind that he's been one of our more consistent players all year.
He had 16 possessions yesterday at 100% effectivness as well as 8 marks and was one of only 4 players who spent the whole game on the ground.
Doesn't stop people never letting facts get in the way of a good story though.
Irregardless. He's had plenty of time to reproduce his AA form and has come up short every time (albiet injuries haven't helped). He still commands some currency. We could get a decent draft pick out of him.
Daytripper
13 Aug 2007, 14:38
so you weren't watching when solly who was his direct opponent kepted getting the ball in the clear most of the time.
Was Solly his direct opponent ?
and when he run to far in the freos forward pocket that resulted in a free kick to tarrant who then went on to kick a goal
1. That was a BS freekick. I counted his steps on the replay afterwards and he only went 12 paces.
2. The reason he held on to it was because he had no one to kick it to. If he did kick it, he would have turned it over and I guess he would have been criticised for that as well.
Poor bloke can't win.
kelvin_sheedy
13 Aug 2007, 14:39
so you weren't watching when solly who was his direct opponent kepted getting the ball in the clear most of the time.
and when he run to far in the freos forward pocket that resulted in a free kick to tarrant who then went on to kick a goal
Forgot about the one where he ran too far.
I don't have a problem with that as no one was providing an option up the ground and he was trying to create the play.
I don't think we can be too hard on any of our backmen when they have 66 inside 50's.
sameolds
13 Aug 2007, 14:43
maybe he is the new scapegoat, but apart from kep, there is no more frustrating bloke to watch. The reason he is attracting criticism is hes a b&f winner (i think) and he aint playing like one.
its alright to go well when were up (2004) but when we're shite people like mcphee are not standing up.
screw champion data. Bowden has had massive scores all year but hasnt been up to stanndard either
Daytripper
13 Aug 2007, 14:49
maybe he is the new scapegoat, but apart from kep, there is no more frustrating bloke to watch. The reason he is attracting criticism is hes a b&f winner (i think) and he aint playing like one.
its alright to go well when were up (2004) but when we're shite people like mcphee are not standing up.
screw champion data. Bowden has had massive scores all year but hasnt been up to stanndard either
Why don't we look at a guy like Jay Nash.
18 possessions, 61% effective, 4 clangers.
Oh of course, he's young so we exempt him from criticism.
Much easier to have a crack at McPhee who plays in defense and therefore must be responsible for every goal kicked yesterday despite never turning over the ball by hand or foot.
This criticism of McPhee is getting a bit pathetic now.
No problem having a go at him if he's done something wrong but don't have a go at him when he's been okay.
bomberstomake8
13 Aug 2007, 15:03
Why don't we look at a guy like Jay Nash.
18 possessions, 61% effective, 4 clangers.
Oh of course, he's young so we exempt him from criticism.
Much easier to have a crack at McPhee who plays in defense and therefore must be responsible for every goal kicked yesterday despite never turning over the ball by hand or foot.
This criticism of McPhee is getting a bit pathetic now.
No problem having a go at him if he's done something wrong but don't have a go at him when he's been okay.
i have been defending him all year.. has been great for us this year. he is getting critisised due to his own potential.. everyone expects him to be chad cornes just because he was AA in 2004.. his a victim of others expectations.. so what if he isnt an AA he is still a bloody good asset to have around and all that talk about trading him is pathetic.. everyone always complains about his skills, but the fact is he has good skills, its difficult to hit a pin point pass everytime, and because we have 0 run in our midfeild there is limited options when coming out of defence... fletcher even had difficulty with that and he is imo the best kick out of defence in the ocmp
leave him alone
Why don't we look at a guy like Jay Nash.
18 possessions, 61% effective, 4 clangers.
Oh of course, he's young so we exempt him from criticism.
Much easier to have a crack at McPhee who plays in defense and therefore must be responsible for every goal kicked yesterday despite never turning over the ball by hand or foot.
This criticism of McPhee is getting a bit pathetic now.
No problem having a go at him if he's done something wrong but don't have a go at him when he's been okay.
Thing is the decision needs to be based on his output vs talent over a prolonged period, nit just one game.
Ever since his break out year he has been very average.
One of our better players at times, that's not hard, but usually when we are playing well.
When we are playing well he is good, when we are under pressure he is terrible
He fumbles the ball, doesn't choose a good target, chips sideways etc etc.
I don't think everyone is saying GET RID OF HIM but more along the lines of lets see what we could get for him and if good enough, do the deal.
donsman4eva
13 Aug 2007, 15:09
Yesterday wasnt one of his better games. While I like McPhee, and hope he does stay at the club, if we could get a first round pick or a good young midfielder n a trade for him, I think it should be seriously considered
Minglis
13 Aug 2007, 15:41
Trade McPhee?
Thats about as laughable as suggestions we would trade Lucas. After coming off two seasons of rebuild, why are people so eager to cut and burn all over again?
2008 -
Nash Michael NLM
McPhee Ryder Fletcher
Winda Watson Rama
Monfries Lucas Lovett
Davey Lloyd Welsh
Hille McVeigh Stanton
(four of) Gumbleton Slats Houli Reimers Jetta Dempsey Dyson Johns Hislop (Pev JJ MJ?)
With the ruck situation being Hille primary, Ryder secondary. If Ryder at CHB isnt going to be able to run ruck, push Lucas to CHB, Gumby on to CHF and run Ryder / Hille ruck-bench. We cant carry Hille + Laycock :(
If - IF! - the kids come on, that team will be fine in 2008. Every year the team that challanges is the team where players 11-22 come on and play above the standard. With all the "oh my how good is Reimers" type posts we see on this board I am utterly flabbergasted at how pessimistic the same posters seem to be about 08-10 :thumbsd:
dave_27
13 Aug 2007, 16:31
With Bolton and Kepler out of the side, Essendon fans need a new scapegoat and its seems poor McPhee is it.
Doesn't stop people never letting facts get in the way of a good story though.
Poor old Mcphee? Are you taking the p-ss?
Doesnt matter how bad Mcphee plays your the one who seems to think his s---t dont stink.
He is over rated and a passanger yet still keeps his place in the side after 2 years of this crap.
Never mind that he's been one of our more consistent players all year.
He has been nothing but inconsistent and for the most part medicore for the season.
Front runner.
He had 16 possessions yesterday at 100% effectivness as well as 8 marks and was one of only 4 players who spent the whole game on the ground.
Easy to have 100% effectiveness when you are chipping the ball sideways and backwards.
Daytripper
13 Aug 2007, 16:34
Poor old Mcphee? Are you taking the p-ss?
Doesnt matter how bad Mcphee plays your the one who seems to think his s---t dont stink.
He is over rated and a passanger yet still keeps his place in the side after 2 years of this crap.
He has been nothing but inconsistent and for the most part medicore for the season.
Front runner.
Easy to have 100% effectiveness when you are chipping the ball sideways and backwards.
Will finish top 10 (possibly top 5) in the B&F this year.
If you want to have a bet on it, then PM me.
windyhill
13 Aug 2007, 16:34
I`m a fan. I think he`s an air head though the perfect example was the running too far free kick. To me it seems his mind just wanders. I`d keep him, but all players are tradeable if the offer is good enough.
Bomber57
13 Aug 2007, 17:02
He is very tradeable and it's time to make some tough decisions.
Yes, but what could we get for him, I think not much atm.
No Clangers?? He had 4.
Nash and NLM are aggressive. NLM will run and take players on gaining 30-40 metres then he will kick it making the occaisional mistake. McPhee gets it stops, props and then still makes occaisional mistakes.
Boris_Bewick
13 Aug 2007, 19:38
McPhee is a very good player and athlete, with flaws.
His pros far outweigh his cons.
donsman4eva
13 Aug 2007, 20:50
No Clangers?? He had 4.
Nash and NLM are aggressive. NLM will run and take players on gaining 30-40 metres then he will kick it making the occaisional mistake. McPhee gets it stops, props and then still makes occaisional mistakes.
Probably all free icks against, which means he can still have 100% effectiveness.
Bomber4eva
13 Aug 2007, 21:01
McPhee has had an ordinary year (or two) IMO
Hasnt been terrible but is capable of so much more. Not sure whether it's his confidence but he makes some shocking decisions and doesn't push forward enough. Probably more suited to a run on the wing, not doing much anywhere else..
donsman4eva
13 Aug 2007, 21:05
He has had a terrible year compared to 2004. But if he never got AA, and we didnt know what he was totally capable of, thene we would more than likely be saying he has had a fairly good year.
Our problem is that we keep comparing him to 2004. It is 3 years on. We cant keep comparing him to then. We just have to look at his form on a game to game basis.
Bomber4eva
13 Aug 2007, 21:05
No Clangers?? He had 4.
Nash and NLM are aggressive. NLM will run and take players on gaining 30-40 metres then he will kick it making the occaisional mistake. McPhee gets it stops, props and then still makes occaisional mistakes.
Spot on, they create momentum McPhee kills momentum (IMO - on current form). We need run from the backline and he isnt giving it, nor is he a solid defender
ParisBoy.
13 Aug 2007, 21:11
Any examples you'd care to share with us because Champion Data happen to disagree.
Ball Skills;
Fumble, fumble, fumble!
Thats all he ever does when hes in space he gets the ball kicked to him lands a couple of meters in front of him, takes two - three attempts of picking up the ball finally does then turns around and gets tackled - Holding the ball. This happens not just once nor twice but on countless occasions. Very rarely do I see him take the ball cleanly and then deliver a clean pass that goes straight to an Essendon player.
Decision Making Skills;
When we are making a play the ball falls into McPhees arms a number of times, in order to make the play we need to move the ball on quickly while our players are free. He hesitates and doesn't know what to do with it and before to long all our players are manned up, so he kicks back to one of our loose men behind the ball.
These two things that I have just mentioned happen way to much and these skills need to be improved in order for him to stay in the seniors - But I guess he is to busy caring about his body, hair and clothes shop.
Put him up on the trade table if we are offered a first or second round pick for him, take it. Otherwise keep him up, also I think he signed a contract late last year for a three year deal, would I be correct?
wazzabp
13 Aug 2007, 21:17
Gilbee, Enright, Heath Shaw, Jason Gram, Kennely, McLeod, all play half back and do it well, all running types. McPhee isn't up with these blokes in terms of speed and doesn't have the ticker to play CHB.
Maybe he could be better utilised in a forward pocket until his form comes back, as he does take a good mark and may just stretch a few teams defences.
I thought he was good. Worked hard and gave it his all. I think there would be many, many, players that would warrant criticism before McPhee.
I agree. Gave him my one vote. He kept at it and played competitively and kept presenting at every opportunity.
MarkJohnson#1
14 Aug 2007, 08:52
He is extremely frustrating! He would be a good player in a good side in my opinion, however in an inexperienced side like ours he isn't delivering enough. Athleticism outweighs his footy smarts I'm afraid :o Probably tradeable if there was something worthwhile in return
Daytripper
14 Aug 2007, 10:26
Gilbee, Enright, Heath Shaw, Jason Gram, Kennely, McLeod, all play half back and do it well, all running types. McPhee isn't up with these blokes in terms of speed and doesn't have the ticker to play CHB.
Maybe he could be better utilised in a forward pocket until his form comes back, as he does take a good mark and may just stretch a few teams defences.
They are all completely different players to McPhee.
You're comparing apples with oranges.
Better comparisons are Hargrave, C Bolton, Harley, Clement, S Fisher and Bock from the teams you mentioned.
Pevers-Legend
14 Aug 2007, 12:43
They are all completely different players to McPhee.
You're comparing apples with oranges.
Better comparisons are Hargrave, C Bolton, Harley, Clement, S Fisher and Bock from the teams you mentioned.
And bar Hargrave - I would take all of them over McPhee.
McPhee is another that I think Sheedy has right royally stuffed. Played well in 04 on HBF - since then - he has played Hf wing centre CHB HBF etc. Not settled, not good enough to throw around the ground (I remember the article with him saying he'd like to be Essendons next Hird ala being able to play anywhere - ha what a joke that is now).
My main problem with him is one of the main culprits to go missing when we the opposition gets a run on - and he turns the ball over terriblly under pressure. No composure anymore.
He reminds me a lot of Lloyd - playing without any confidence.
Minglis
14 Aug 2007, 19:38
Agree that he has been played out of position alot by Sheedy. He did the same to Solly.
Of course, after the salary cap exodus of 01/02 our midfield got gutted. From 03-present our midfield has had more flankers in it than midfielders.
wazzabp
14 Aug 2007, 20:29
They are all completely different players to McPhee.
You're comparing apples with oranges.
Better comparisons are Hargrave, C Bolton, Harley, Clement, S Fisher and Bock from the teams you mentioned.
You are missing the point, McPhee plays half back, they all play half back, and they all play that role better than he does.
All the players you mentioned play key position adequately for their teams, McPhee gets toweled up by blokes that are similar in size and strength. He still falls short of them all.
Trading McPhee for a draft pick would be pointless at best. We have a solid number of quality youngsters coming through already, we don't need more kids to get back to finals footy we need classy players which McPhee is. More kids will only further delay our improvement. McPhee is still only middle aged, an AA and getting back into solid form. Regardless of his countless detractors here he's been among our best all season and theres plentyu of guys ahead of him who need to be traded on current form who have had their chances. Lovett, Lovett-Murray, Johns to name a few. Nash is the only other half back flanker capable of midfield bursts like McPhee and able to have a run up forward so utilities arent something we have an excess of.
bomberrob
15 Aug 2007, 15:07
well im not into bagging our own players and i wont but mcphee to me plays outside of his ability sometimes......a couple of years ago when he won the b/f he didnt just played the game inside his own limitations.....i think that that win went to his head a bit and has been running around like a prima donna....needs to get back to playing that footy and be more discipline or he will find himself on the scrapheap
Daytripper
15 Aug 2007, 15:10
well im not into bagging our own players and i wont but mcphee to me plays outside of his ability sometimes......a couple of years ago when he won the b/f he didnt just played the game inside his own limitations.....i think that that win went to his head a bit and has been running around like a prima donna....needs to get back to playing that footy and be more discipline or he will find himself on the scrapheap
You would not meet a more dedicated, professional footballer than McPhee.
bombersmad75
15 Aug 2007, 20:09
his game yesterday was one of many crappy displays!! undisciplined, skills letting him down and not accountable. Is there a problem or is he just havin a year to forget??even though i love watchin him when hes up and going is he tradeable??
:thumbsd:NO NO NO:thumbsd: He is a required player he has not been that bad this year. Just needs to be more disciplined at times cannot afford to let a player of his quality out of our club.:thumbsd: