View Full Version : What do we do now?
Blu3_Boy
15 Aug 2007, 21:18
Who will fill our full back/centre half back position Bret Thornton has been doing? Do you think Jamison is ready to take the likes of Lucas or Lloyd? Will Setanta have to go down back?:confused: Good Luck with the recovery Bret :thumbsu:
Blue Dimension
15 Aug 2007, 21:22
I'd guess that Saddington will end up on Lloyd (run for the hills - it'll be a long day...)
As for Lucas, i think perhaps Lance might take him. I think he should play up forward, but who else will do it? Jamison can't ...don't want to ruin confidence. Bower isn't good enough. Maybe if they bring in Austin...but even then...he's only a kid.
Big headaches.
Setanta going back would solve the problem, but then it would create more problems because if the ruck issue. Might have to bring in a ruckman. if we do that and bring in Lance at the same time, it'll severly hamper our speed.
Coaching staff will get their moneys worth this week imo.
Jeremias
15 Aug 2007, 21:34
With the news that Thornton is now out, I would imagine that Austin is a certainty to make his debut.
That means that we have the following candidates to play down back as taller defenders:
-Austin
-Jamison
-Bower
-Whitnall
-Setanta
-Saddington
-Waite
Now, who to play on Lloyd? My initial thoughts are that Setanta would play on him like last time, but given he has since been shifted away from that position, I wouldn't be surprised to see Saddington given first go at him, but I think that Setanta will be used.
I prefer Saddo to play on Lucas, and hope that he can do a job on him like he did on Rocca a few weeks ago (in the first 3 quarters anyway).
Austin and Bower can be ruled out of playing against either Lloyd or Lucas, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Austin go straight to Gumbleton if both play.
Jamo is another option for Gumby. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamo go to Lloyd at some stage during the game to play against him. Not sure how he would go, but I wouldn't mind to see it for a short period of time just to test it out.
So, at the start, I expect to see the following match ups:
Setanta vs Lloyd
Saddington vs Lucas
Jamison vs Gumbleton
Houlihan (if he plays) vs Lovett. If Houla doesn't play, don't be surprised to see Jamo get the job on Lovett, and Lance play on Lucas, Saddo on Gumby.
I hope Houla plays as I'd prefer to see Lance up forward instead of a loose man in defense, which I suspect may be given to Bower (although I hope not-much prefer to see him on a direct opponent).
I know it sounds wierd, but Banno is another option for Gumby. Waite to hopefully play up forward, but may be a loose man down back at times.
FieryNayta
15 Aug 2007, 22:03
Look forward to next year.
i'd stop stressing about getting more wins at this stage, If we get one, great. But we really can't expect one with key injuries popping up every other week.
Andyt31
15 Aug 2007, 23:22
Look forward to next year.
i'd stop stressing about getting more wins at this stage, If we get one, great. But we really can't expect one with key injuries popping up every other week.
Hope we beat Essendon lucas couldn't kick straight Essendon got a few injuries no alwyn Davey hopefully lloyd will be kept to 1 or 2 goals thats it
Lucas can't kick straight for shit from what i saw
keep those 2 quiet should stop their goal run.
Go Blues
TheGeneral
15 Aug 2007, 23:42
Lose.
They will throw Ryder forward if we Whitnall plays down back and he could easily bob up to kick two goals on Bower. Sheedy will probably instruct Hille and Laycock(if both play) to push forward when they're not filling up space in front of Fev. Waite is the huge wildcard this week and has seemingly been forgotten by most Bluesfans. If Waite can get on top of an out of form Lucas like he did in the NAB cup, it will allow Setanta to stay in the ruck and Saddington and Jamison to take Gumbleton and Lloyd. :gulp:
Or Waite could start up forward to give Ryder or Fletcher the run around up the ground.
I'd rather see Jarrad start on Lucas and Lance play up forward to keep Fletcher honest by being a target leading out of the pocket. Sheedy likes to free that serial tripper up to attack and keep him away from opponents who have a weight or size advantage over him in a one on one contest.
That's our Lance.
mmm lets see... the worst defence just got that much worse!
Well Lance got the B&F playing down back so I guess he'll replace Thornton to some capacity down there.
Beyond that... I think we just make the game fun... Waite, Fish, Fev and if Kennedy is right.. throw them all forward..
Might as well even put Eddie on Lloyd... at least Eddie can tackle!
TheGeneral
16 Aug 2007, 00:20
Lappin to fullback.
Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite
16 Aug 2007, 00:46
O'Hailpin HAS to play in defence
O'Hailpin against Lloyd
Waite on Lucas
Saddington on Gumbleton
If Whitnall has the matchfitness let him spend a bit of time in the ruck, otherwise bring in McLaren, Hampson or Jacobs (if either of them are ready for the AFL - obviously Jacobs would be promoted for Thornton)
we have a nuber of options available- not many of them are ideal, but what has been ideal at carlton lately.
as has already been discussed
saddington will play back, that is a given
then
setanta can go back and we bring in a ruckman
lance can play on lucas
bower can be given a shut down role
jamieson can be asked to step up and play tall
austin can come in
flint can come in
waite can go back
I'm hoping we can dominate the clearances and give the defence some respite. This will lessen the importance of the defensive matchups. With that logic, I can't see Ratten playing O'Hailpin on Lloyd....the great diver will be thanking his lucky stars.....:rolleyes:
Rucks are reasonably evenly matched for a change....and Carlton's smaller mids IMO have an edge against Essendon's.
On the other hand, Ratten might bring Hampson in to ruck against Laycock. If we are still winning the middle, O'Hailpin could swing between defence and attack. He might even tag Fletcher!
Not too sure, but I think Whitnall has been playing in the forward line in the twos, I assume that would mean he will probably start forward.
celtic_pride
16 Aug 2007, 11:55
I still reckon we should play Waite at CHB fulltime.
We have plenty of potent, tall foward options in the CHF/FF area, IE Fev, Fisher and I really think Setanta plays his best footy in the foward line, but seeing Waite destroy Riewoldt at TD a few months ago, convinces me he is better suited playing on the taller, more athletica and dangerous foward opponents.
SurreyBlue
16 Aug 2007, 11:59
Saddington vs Lloyd
Waite vs Lucas
I'm hoping we can dominate the clearances and give the defence some respite. This will lessen the importance of the defensive matchups. With that logic, I can't see Ratten playing O'Hailpin on Lloyd....the great diver will be thanking his lucky stars.....:rolleyes:
Rucks are reasonably evenly matched for a change....and Carlton's smaller mids IMO have an edge against Essendon's.
On the other hand, Ratten might bring Hampson in to ruck against Laycock. If we are still winning the middle, O'Hailpin could swing between defence and attack. He might even tag Fletcher!
Not too sure, but I think Whitnall has been playing in the forward line in the twos, I assume that would mean he will probably start forward.
if ess were only playing laycock we might be breaking even in the ruck
have your forgotten they have hillie in their side.
Bluebear
16 Aug 2007, 12:51
if ess were only playing laycock we might be breaking even in the ruck
have your forgotten they have hillie in their side.
I you look at the comparison this season Hille is not much better than Ackland.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=634&tid2=6&pid2=348
RodneyEade
16 Aug 2007, 13:09
I you look at the comparison this season Hille is not much better than Ackland.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=634&tid2=6&pid2=348
According to that the only thing Ackland has more of is frees for and frees against. Hille averages more kicks, handballs, marks, hitouts and goals.
So i guess you could call that even. :rolleyes:
The Grover
16 Aug 2007, 13:12
This thread is doing my head in, bring on next year so we can get players back in their rightful positions.
Waite - forward
Setanta - back
Ackland - bench or reserves
Lance - Lalor
JK - CHF for full matches.
Bluebear
16 Aug 2007, 15:45
According to that the only thing Ackland has more of is frees for and frees against. Hille averages more kicks, handballs, marks, hitouts and goals.
So i guess you could call that even. :rolleyes:
Actually what I said was "Not much better"
That is, he is better.......but not by much.
I thought that was pretty clear in those stats.:cool:
I you look at the comparison this season Hille is not much better than Ackland.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=634&tid2=6&pid2=348
yeah but stats don't show how many times a ruckamn miss times his jump, how many times he gets smashed in the ruck contest, how many times he does not even jump for the ruck contest, how many hit outs are to advantage, how effective each of those stats that are being compared are.
Homer Simpson for Lance
16 Aug 2007, 16:09
yeah but stats don't show how many times a ruckamn miss times his jump, how many times he gets smashed in the ruck contest, how many times he does not even jump for the ruck contest, how many hit outs are to advantage, how effective each of those stats that are being compared are.
Agree........let youre bloody eyes and brain be the judge..........stats are just a reference........dont judge a player by stats............
Ackland's performance Rds 1 - 16 are the worst I have seen by a number 1 ruckman in 30 years...............comparing his stats to Hille to try and insinuate any different is crazy......we all saw his gutless performances and no stats are going change that
Bluebear
16 Aug 2007, 16:11
Just saying that Hille hasn't had a very good year and is not far ahead of Ackland...............clearly we have struck a nerve here.:o
Bluebear
16 Aug 2007, 16:13
Agree........let youre bloody eyes and brain be the judge..........stats are just a reference........dont judge a player by stats............
Ackland's performance Rds 1 - 16 are the worst I have seen by a number 1 ruckman in 30 years...............comparing his stats to Hille to try and insinuate any different is crazy......we all saw his gutless performances and no stats are going change that
Does that include the two games wheere he beat Brogan/Laide and Street/Darcy?
Just as you shouldn't judge a player in stats alone, you probably shouldn't generalise either.;)
stokesy
16 Aug 2007, 17:40
Lance did some rucking against Essendon earlier in the year and he was good I thought, play him there again.
Setanta to take Llyod, that was a ding dong battle last game, love it.
EddieBettsIsAChamp
16 Aug 2007, 17:43
Unfortunatelly I think we'll have to put lance in the back:(
Saddington vs Lloyd
Waite vs Lucas
Might as well try that. With Carlos having to play ruck, our options might be a little limited. Could Banno perhaps play on Lucas?
AndyWalkersGirl
16 Aug 2007, 17:50
This thread is doing my head in, bring on next year so we can get players back in their rightful positions.
Waite - forward
Setanta - back
Ackland - bench or reserves
Lance - Lalor
JK - CHF for full matches.
Agree with those. (Still not sure about Lance, i hope his body is 100% fit and stays that way because is would still be so valuable to us if that was the case).
Add to that Gibbs in the midfield/HF.
Jamison to play from Round 1.
Grigg to play from Round 1.
celtic_pride
18 Aug 2007, 12:27
Nah Setanta gives us another decent option foward (he is an sensational mark, probably in the top 2 or 3 at the club for consted marks along with Fevola and Fisher) and I think he is a great foil up foward for Fev.
Waite, esp with his unreliable kicking at times, would be more suited at CHB, and I'm fairly sure Whitnall won't be at the club next year, so we have to slot him there.
As for ruck, I think we should try trade for David Hale from North, who seems to be on the outer since ther rise of Hamish Mcintosh
Bluebear
18 Aug 2007, 14:13
Just saying that Hille hasn't had a very good year and is not far ahead of Ackland...............clearly we have struck a nerve here.:o
Was looking into my crystal ball...........no wait.......my source told me he would get dropped...........;)