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High Ryder
18 Aug 2007, 17:50
I didn't get the chance to watch the first half but the 2nd half was a great fast free flowing game. You guys shouldn't be disapointed you put on a great show. All the best for the remaining 2 weeks guys :thumbsu:
Bombers1234
18 Aug 2007, 17:53
Unlucky guys, but i guess we were just better on the day
Why the **** would they be unhappy?
Play well, ease off to lose and get the Kruezer™
Well done Blues, the future is getting brighter
bruce29
18 Aug 2007, 17:56
Great game Blues. Our games have always been tight, and you guys certainly always bring out the nest in Essendon. Valiant effort!
Why the **** would they be unhappy?
Play well, ease off to lose and get the Kruezer™
Well done Blues, the future is getting brighter
Word of advice. It's not wise to come on here with a stupid post like that especially after the game we just lost. Take your silly tanking accusations and go away!
bruce29
18 Aug 2007, 18:01
Word of advice. It's not wise to come on here with a stupid post like that especially after the game we just lost. Take your silly tanking accusations and go away!
Spot on Bee
Word of advice. It's not wise to come on here with a stupid post like that especially after the game we just lost. Take your silly tanking accusations and go away!
Admit you are smiling inside?
Kouta man 43
18 Aug 2007, 18:04
Admit you are smiling inside?:thumbsu::):D;):rolleyes::thumbsu::thumbsu:
Admit you are smiling inside?
Yes I am, but only because I just infracted you!
Word of advice. It's not wise to come on here with a stupid post like that especially after the game we just lost. Take your silly tanking accusations and go away!
Most of us agree with him Bee. I am smiling inside.:):):):):):):)
Yes I am, but only because I just infracted you!
Pfft, I eat infractions for breakfast :D
Now chillax and look forward to a bright future. :thumbsu:
Bad luck?? Pfft I was celebrating more than the Bombers supporters
Pfft, I eat infractions for breakfast :D
Now chillax and look forward to a bright future. :thumbsu:
I agree with u HFC082 - tell Bee how u would give back Buddy and Roughy for a higher finish that year.
Why the **** would they be unhappy?
Play well, ease off to lose and get the Kruezer™
Well done Blues, the future is getting brighter
We lost to ****ing ESSENDON, in a game we were in control of and to lose in the dying minutes...
YES, I'M ****ING UNHAPPY. :mad:
Bad luck?? Pfft I was celebrating more than the Bombers supporters
But the way the young kids have been playing in the past few, i won't be surprised if they managed to snatch another win :cool:
Love the quick running game :thumbsu:
Most of us agree with him Bee. I am smiling inside.:):):):):):):)
Create a poll then. I couldn't give a **** about Kruezer, I just want to win. It's not like he will catapult us to success again.
We lost to ****ing ESSENDON, in a game we were in control of and to lose in the dying minutes...
YES, I'M ****ING UNHAPPY. :mad:
I know that losing to the scum is terrible, but another preseason for the young kids, a possible boom draft pick or 3 and a fresh outlook from a new coach...that will erase the pain :)
I hope so anyway
Most of us agree with him Bee. I am smiling inside.:):):):):):):)
No! Most of us don't agree with him. Most of us are devastated by today's loss. Most of us don't think losing is honourable. Most of us would rather win than be accused of tanking. Most of us are not smiling on the inside, but hurting!
It's not like he will catapult us to success again.
No, but the young kids with another year's experience will. 12 months on and Carlton would have won this match.
bruce29
18 Aug 2007, 18:20
No, but the young kids with another year's experience will. 12 months on and Carlton would have won this match.
I'll hold you to that
tough call, with essendons youngsters booming today aswell
I know that losing to the scum is terrible, but another preseason for the young kids, a possible boom draft pick or 3 and a fresh outlook from a new coach...that will erase the pain :)
I hope so anyway
We'll be getting a top 10 pick anyway.
We already have a solid young core to build on.
Smart drafting will ensure that we don't waste our other draft picks.
ONE player isn't going to make a squat of difference if we embrace a losing culture.
ONE player isn't going to single handedly led us to the finals.
Our future won't be ruined if we miss out on this ONE player.
It certainly won't set us back 3 years if we miss this ONE player.
As of this moment, this ONE player hasn't played a single game yet, and we will never know for sure how he will turn out until it happens.
No! Most of us don't agree with him. Most of us are devastated by today's loss. Most of us don't think losing is honourable. Most of us would rather win than be accused of tanking. Most of us are not smiling on the inside, but hurting!
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359974 most??
I agree with u HFC082 - tell Bee how u would give back Buddy and Roughy for a higher finish that year.
Not in my lifetime ;). Watching Buddy, Roughy and Lewis all from that draft period makes me smile.
bruce29
18 Aug 2007, 18:23
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359974 most??
that poll is not completely representative, but the general feel is that blues fans dont mind tanking
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359974 most??
I'll see if I can dig up my tanking thread, it had a poll. The majority were AGAINST.
ONE player isn't going to make a squat of difference if we embrace a losing culture.
ONE player isn't going to single handedly led us to the finals.
Our future won't be ruined if we miss out on this ONE player.
It certainly won't set us back 3 years if we miss this ONE player.
As of this moment, this ONE player hasn't played a single game yet, and we will never know for sure how he will turn out until it happens.
Apply all that to us in 2005-2006
I believe Buddy has single handedly led us to the finals. It could be argued that we would have made it without him, but i reckon it's bollocks. The kid is the reason this club is flying.
I believe we would be a challenger in 3 years, and not this year, had buddy not been picked by the club.
At this moment, Buddy has turned games like no other has in a long time...and what if Kruezer is this player to turn the current losing culture of the club around? To take 15 marks and kick 7 goals in a quarter in his second year and swing a game into your favour?
Better to give the new coach and the kid a chance than to win another match and wonder what could have been.
I believe Buddy has single handedly led us to the finals. It could be argued that we would have made it without him, but i reckon it's bollocks. The kid is the reason this club is flying.
The reason being is that your entire team is playing very well. Take out the senior support, confidence and some of your other key players and Buddy wouldn't have made much of a difference.
And you DID beat us by 100 without Buddy. ;)
At this moment, Buddy has turned games like no other has in a long time...and what if Kruezer is this player to turn the current losing culture of the club around?
You can say the same for the multitude of other players in the draft. Having a player picked at #1 doesn't mean he'll turn out the best. That said, missing out on that PP will not be detrimental to our future - how can it be? We're not drafting a god.
I'll see if I can dig up my tanking thread, it had a poll. The majority were AGAINST.
Yeah but this was recent, more and more are jumping on. Last round it will be about 80/20
The reason being is that your entire team is playing very well. Take out the senior support, confidence and some of your other key players and Buddy wouldn't have made much of a difference.
True, but your young kids are coming into that stage where they are beginning to exert some seniority, and with a good preseason and elite drafting prospects, there is no reason why you cannot push for finals next year. You have the nucleus yet need some kpp's and better luck with injuries.
And you DID beat us by 100 without Buddy. ;)
Yes, but the pick 2 kicked 6 or something. :eek:
You can say the same for the multitude of other players in the draft. Having a player picked at #1 doesn't mean he'll turn out the best. That said, missing out on that PP will not be detrimental to our future - how can it be? We're not drafting a god.
Hodge, Riewoldt, Murphy, Gibbs, Deledio...few decent pick ones there. No matter what, the Pick 1 will be outstanding and now you are still in the race for it. All it takes is one astute scout to uncover a diamond and the future is set. Ratten can do this.
Yeah but this was recent, more and more are jumping on. Last round it will be about 80/20
So you are saying that every time you watch Carlton play you are cheering whenever Fev misses a goal, you cheer when the opposition kick a goal. You go to game to watch Carlton lose? That's what you do?
So you are saying that every time you watch Carlton play you are cheering whenever Fev misses a goal, you cheer when the opposition kick a goal. You go to game to watch Carlton lose? That's what you do?
Nope, not every time I watch Carlton play. But I did today, I didn't cheer Carlton misses or even want them to miss, but I sure as hell cheered when Lovett kicked the sealer. Yep I went along today hoping to lose, because I'm not myopic
So you are saying that every time you watch Carlton play you are cheering whenever Fev misses a goal, you cheer when the opposition kick a goal. You go to game to watch Carlton lose? That's what you do?
I wouldn't say fans are that masochistic, but seen a young side plug away and battle manfully...getting into good positions but letting themselves down due to inexperience is kind of inspiring. Knowing that losing will allow you first dibs at the best young kids in the land, it is impossible that all fans will be distraught when the lose the match.
The team put in such an effort that better times are coming closer...and Pick 1 could be yours :)
Nope, not every time I watch Carlton play. But I did today, I didn't cheer Carlton misses or even want them to miss, but I sure as hell cheered when Lovett kicked the sealer. Yep I went along today hoping to lose, because I'm not myopic
LOL i did that against Richmond at TD a few years ago. We were up by 50 odd at half time and lost, but we got to keep our PP and i was happy :D
LOL i did that against Richmond at TD a few years ago. We were up by 50 odd at half time and lost, but we got to keep our PP and i was happy :D
And getting Franklin while losing that game really set you back
And getting Franklin while losing that game really set you back
Nah, that was a year later. We clinced 14th that day and ended up getting Ellis and Dowler with that loss.
Also getting Birchall at 14 was fantastic.
Buddy kicked 3 that day though and showed what talent he had.
sameolds
18 Aug 2007, 19:06
blueboys. first time i have ever gone into a dons blues match confident of the outcome. pity that isnt based on our ability v yours. i know the majority of you just want a win, but its clear your board doesnt. the diff between us was fevs "injury".
tanks for the game
kruezer v gumbleton should make future ess/carl games pretty cool to watch
kruezer v gumbleton should make future ess/carl games pretty cool to watch
More like Kruezer vs Gumbleton and Ryder. One man is not enough for the Kruezer ;)
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 19:09
Why the **** would they be unhappy?
Play well, ease off to lose and get the Kruezer™
Well done Blues, the future is getting brighter
How about you eat the peanuts out of my shit talking about tanking...
Last think that I want is the team to lose matches
it's scum like you that just encourages DBlues and his bunch of happy tankers
How about you eat the peanuts out of my shit talking about tanking...
Last think that I want is the team to lose matches
it's scum like you that just encourages DBlues and his bunch of happy tankers
I guess we see things differently. Winning isn't in the best interest of the club, but in the best interests of your self esteem.
The club is bigger that any one supporter or group.
KING-JAMES
18 Aug 2007, 19:13
If i was a blues supporter i would too be damn right pissed off, shoulda blown us away early on. First half was shocking, thank god it picked up in the 2nd. Good game in the end and coulda gone either way.
TheGeneral
18 Aug 2007, 19:13
More like Kruezer vs Gumbleton and Ryder. One man is not enough for the Kruezer ;)
We'll just throw Kennedy and Austin at Essendon's defence and forwards for good measure. ;) :thumbsu:
Fletcher was off as well so Carlton weren't the only team who lost one of their guns.
Fletcher was off as well so Carlton weren't the only team who lost one of their guns.
Fletcher isn't what he used to be. Ask Buddy that :thumbsu:
True, but your young kids are coming into that stage where they are beginning to exert some seniority, and with a good preseason and elite drafting prospects, there is no reason why you cannot push for finals next year. You have the nucleus yet need some kpp's and better luck with injuries.
Yep. And we don't necessarily need the PP to achieve those aims either.
Yes, but the pick 2 kicked 6 or something. :eek:
He wasn't the only one who contributed though. That night your whole team was playing very well, and as a team. Even if he went missing, it still would've been a smashing. ;)
Hodge, Riewoldt, Murphy, Gibbs, Deledio...few decent pick ones there.
There are also quite a few who aren't too decent. Then again, I can list plenty of topline players who weren't PPs. Simon Black, Adam Goodes, Dean Cox, Darren Glass, James Hird, Luke Power, etc...
No matter what, the Pick 1 will be outstanding and now you are still in the race for it. All it takes is one astute scout to uncover a diamond and the future is set. Ratten can do this.
Let's hope so, but even without the PP we can still have a good future and build a great list.
Fletcher isn't what he used to be. Ask Buddy that :thumbsu:
Didn't really pay attention in those games did you?
Let's hope so, but even without the PP we can still have a good future and build a great list.
Yeah, but this losing...the loss to Essendon, would cut deeper because there is no silver lining left to hold ;)
Didn't really pay attention in those games did you?
I payed attention to the 5 he kicked on Dustin in the 2nd :thumbsu:
Don't let that get in the way though
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 19:32
I guess we see things differently. Winning isn't in the best interest of the club, but in the best interests of your self esteem.
The club is bigger that any one supporter or group.
As least I am showing passion and I am angry about losing rather than bending over and taking a rim shot while talking about tanking and how losing is winning and is good for the future of the club...
I still fail to see how losing is winning and how losing is good for the club long term because as far as I see, it just reinforces a losing culture which is detrimental to the well being of the club.
As least I am showing passion and I am angry about losing rather than bending over and taking a rim shot while talking about tanking and how losing is winning and is good for the future of the club...
I still fail to see how losing is winning and how losing is good for the club long term because as far as I see, it just reinforces a losing culture which is detrimental to the well being of the club.
I get angry about losing and get very passionate, but i see now how the loss of meaningless matches helped the club to turn itself around.
During the Schwab era pre-Clarkson changeover, we were beginning to embrace this losing culture, when we totally scrapped the list and rebuilt around a few KPP's that were PP's. Clarkson got rid of the players he saw not going to be around during the next GF push and acquired picks and young yet unestablished players to fill the holes.
Had we won the games with Schwab in 2004, kept the coach and not got the kids, and kept the list intact for longer, then we would still be wallowing in the depths of the AFL's abyss.
Losing is winning as the coach can select the kids he wants in the new Carlton and to scrap his own dead wood and to follow a formula to success. it isn't a given but the signs are there.
mustapha
18 Aug 2007, 19:41
Nope, not every time I watch Carlton play. But I did today, I didn't cheer Carlton misses or even want them to miss, but I sure as hell cheered when Lovett kicked the sealer. Yep I went along today hoping to lose, because I'm not myopic
The AFL has become a farce. Is their another competition in the world where a large proportion of supporters want their team to lose? It would be fantastic if the AFL at least scrapped the ridiculous PP system at the end of this year (after the next draft of course. Carlton have "earned" their pick)
I really miss the proud and arrogant Carlton that existed over five years ago. I always hated Carlton but I always respected them.
blueboys. first time i have ever gone into a dons blues match confident of the outcome. pity that isnt based on our ability v yours. i know the majority of you just want a win, but its clear your board doesnt. the diff between us was fevs "injury".
tanks for the game
kruezer v gumbleton should make future ess/carl games pretty cool to watch
So what are you saying? Fevola isn't really injured? According to the latest news he is out for the rest of the season.
Are you saying we tanked? Okay, if that's the case then Essendon must be really bad. Is that what you are trying to say?
The AFL has become a farce. Is their another competition in the world where a large proportion of supporters want their team to lose? It would be fantastic if the AFL at least scrapped the ridiculous PP system at the end of this year (after the next draft of course. Carlton have "earned" their pick)
I really miss the proud and arrogant Carlton that existed over five years ago. I always hated Carlton but I always respected them.
The proud and arrogant Carlton is still here amongst most of us. It's just that a few have lost their way and need to be given a reminder of what supporting the Carlton Football Club really means.
Bad luck against the Bombers today, I was really hoping that you would win. Good luck for next season!!
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 20:14
The proud and arrogant Carlton is still here amongst most of us. It's just that a few have lost their way and need to be given a reminder of what supporting the Carlton Football Club really means.
Dont worry Bee...
In a couple of years, all the latte swillers will be out in force bragging about how losing games was good for the club when the club starts really climbing up the ladder again and destroying teams like we used to...
They will have all the fake arrogance of Carlton supporters who want to appear to be real Carlton supporters...
The Real Carlton supporters will never give up the passion or the arrogance of being true blue bloods... You can always tell a true Carlton supporter... we are the ones crying after a match when we lose... the pseudo Carlton supporters are the ones high-5'ing each other saying another one down for the PP...
Dont worry Bee...
In a couple of years, all the latte swillers will be out in force bragging about how losing games was good for the club when the club starts really climbing up the ladder again and destroying teams like we used to...
So in fact, the losing of games for PP's will help your cause? Losing these matches that mean nothing is actually good for the long term Carlton?
But because you cry and have a different opinion of how the club and its supporters should feel after losses, makes you a real supporter and the others 'Fake Arrogants'.
:rolleyes:
So in fact, the losing of games for PP's will help your cause? Losing these matches that mean nothing is actually good for the long term Carlton?
But because you cry and have a different opinion of how the club and its supporters should feel after losses, makes you a real supporter and the others 'Fake Arrogants'.
:rolleyes:
Why are you so worried about the CFC? Wouldn't you be better off worrying about how long the Tasmanian Government will prop Hawthorn up?
AndyWalkersGirl
18 Aug 2007, 20:27
The proud and arrogant Carlton is still here amongst most of us. It's just that a few have lost their way and need to be given a reminder of what supporting the Carlton Football Club really means.
You tell 'em Bee :thumbsu:
The Old Dark Navy's
18 Aug 2007, 20:29
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359974 most??1 Roos supporter, 1 Richmond supporter, 1 Essendon supporter, 1 Geelong supporter, 2 Collingwood supporters, another unlisted who seems to be a Roos supporter, and a few Blues supporters who curiously have rarely posted despite being on a long time. The early going of that poll also had the pro-winning set way ahead. I call shenanigans.
Question to pro-tankers? Why would you come on BigFooty and tell anyone who listens how you want to lose and how happy you are to tank? What benefit does it give us to have us ridiculed as a supporter base like that. Do you think if you were more quiet about wanting to tank, that it wouldn't happen? Do you think that your proud declaration is swaying what Ratten and the boys are doing out there?
I just don't see the point on heaping more scorn on us. It doesn't make sense to even talk about it.
Why are you so worried about the CFC? Wouldn't you be better off worrying about how long the Tasmanian Government will prop Hawthorn up?
I've always kept an ear close to Carlton, as my family are mostly Carlton and i know a few ex Carlton players and their families.
I haven't been spruiking Hawthorn anywhere in this board in a disparaging way. I have been using a few HFC examples on PP's, but don't try to attack me because your views and those of others disagree with how i feel Carlton will benefit from their current situation.
If you don't like it, just ban me and get it over with.
The Old Dark Navy's
18 Aug 2007, 20:31
So in fact, the losing of games for PP's will help your cause? Losing these matches that mean nothing is actually good for the long term Carlton?
But because you cry and have a different opinion of how the club and its supporters should feel after losses, makes you a real supporter and the others 'Fake Arrogants'.
:rolleyes:It's not really your debate now is it?
It's not really your debate now is it?
It once was. It's just an opinion, and we all know they are like ********s.
I just didn't agree with that post, and it seems others agree too.
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 20:37
So in fact, the losing of games for PP's will help your cause? Losing these matches that mean nothing is actually good for the long term Carlton?
But because you cry and have a different opinion of how the club and its supporters should feel after losses, makes you a real supporter and the others 'Fake Arrogants'.
:rolleyes:
The aim of the game is to win matches...
If you dont win matches, you get upset... If you dont get upset when the team you supports loses, then you are either inured against losing or, you arent 100% behind your team...
I prefer to be behind my team 100% and to have the team winning matches...
If that goes against what some supporters want, then I am happy to be different.
The Old Dark Navy's
18 Aug 2007, 20:38
It once was. It's just an opinion, and we all know they are like ********s.
I just didn't agree with that post, and it seems others agree too.Yes others agree. Just don't want to get in a situation where you are bagging posters out as they are bagging each other, given you don't have the same latitude as they have.;)
1 Roos supporter, 1 Richmond supporter, 1 Essendon supporter, 1 Geelong supporter, 2 Collingwood supporters, another unlisted who seems to be a Roos supporter, and a few Blues supporters who curiously have rarely posted despite being on a long time. The early going of that poll also had the pro-winning set way ahead. I call shenanigans.
Question to pro-tankers? Why would you come on BigFooty and tell anyone who listens how you want to lose and how happy you are to tank? What benefit does it give us to have us ridiculed as a supporter base like that. Do you think if you were more quiet about wanting to tank, that it wouldn't happen? Do you think that your proud declaration is swaying what Ratten and the boys are doing out there?
I just don't see the point on heaping more scorn on us. It doesn't make sense to even talk about it.
On another note, there is this (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358413) thread you created with a poll that shows 35/57 wanted/expected a win (give or take a few due to opposition supporters). Then there's my thread (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344276) on tanking where the majority who posted didn't advocate it.
The aim of the game is to win matches...
If you dont win matches, you get upset... If you dont get upset when the team you supports loses, then you are either inured against losing or, you arent 100% behind your team...
I prefer to be behind my team 100% and to have the team winning matches...
If that goes against what some supporters want, then I am happy to be different.
Fair enough. But some people like to see bright sides of bad situations.
When the times are good, just embrace the whole club/supporters and enjoy the wins that come.
Yes others agree. Just don't want to get in a situation where you are bagging posters out as they are bagging each other, given you don't have the same latitude as they have.;)
I wouldn't call it Bagging, but a slight difference of opinion from an outside observer. ;)
Oh well, i'll keep my head in. :o
ManWithNoName
18 Aug 2007, 20:45
Well done boys and cheers for a good game, as they always are. Atmosphere was great and I reckon your mob has a fair bit to look forward too. Who wears #33 for your lot? He looks pretty good.
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 20:49
On another note, there is this (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358413) thread you created with a poll that shows 35/57 wanted/expected a win (give or take a few due to opposition supporters). Then there's my thread (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344276) on tanking where the majority who posted didn't advocate it.
And dont forget my post (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360195) telling the tankers that some of us supporters want to win and dont accept their attitudes...
Well done boys and cheers for a good game, as they always are. Atmosphere was great and I reckon your mob has a fair bit to look forward too. Who wears #33 for your lot? He looks pretty good.
Errrrm, that would be Ryan Houlihan. If I didn't know better I'd think you were taking the piss.
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 20:51
Well done boys and cheers for a good game, as they always are. Atmosphere was great and I reckon your mob has a fair bit to look forward too. Who wears #33 for your lot? He looks pretty good.
That would be Ryan Houlihan wearing the #33 guernsey
That would be Ryan Houlihan wearing the #33 guernsey
Ryanne Houilhan would be more apt.
ManWithNoName
18 Aug 2007, 21:01
That would be Ryan Houlihan wearing the #33 guernsey
Was it? Could've fooled me. Looked fairly decent.
What impressed me about your mob was that you kicked such a high score with Fev doing exactly nothing.
Smokin_Joe
18 Aug 2007, 21:03
A true blue bagger would never want their team to lose for picks.
Johnny Friendly
18 Aug 2007, 21:04
You can have Houla Hoops (#33) if you like. He runs real hard. :rolleyes:
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 21:07
You can have Houla Hoops (#33) if you like. He runs real hard. :rolleyes:
He is actually a good player down on the forward line where he was supposed to be...
He has been played down back because our defence over the last couple of years has been crap
Johnny Friendly
18 Aug 2007, 21:18
Dramouth said: "He is actually a good player down on the forward line where he was supposed to be...
He has been played down back because our defence over the last couple of years has been crap"
Too little too late as far as I'm concerned I'm afraid. My 2 year old son can run faster than him- Houla Hoops has the skills, that's not up for argument- he's just born 20 years too late to be a quality footballer I reckon: i.e the game has quickened, he's too slow.
Who would pick him up if we floated him as trade bait you reckon?
bluebrew
18 Aug 2007, 21:21
Fair enough. But some people like to see bright sides of bad situations.
When the times are good, just embrace the whole club/supporters and enjoy the wins that come.
And some people support their clubs regardless of its circumstances and do go missing when things go bad.
Its also intriguing just how is these draft picks supposed to turn our club into a champion team without having played 1 game of AFL this draft must be one of the greats and not shallow as reported.
thylacine60
18 Aug 2007, 21:33
Dont worry Bee...
In a couple of years, all the latte swillers will be out in force bragging about how losing games was good for the club when the club starts really climbing up the ladder again and destroying teams like we used to...
They will have all the fake arrogance of Carlton supporters who want to appear to be real Carlton supporters...
The Real Carlton supporters will never give up the passion or the arrogance of being true blue bloods... You can always tell a true Carlton supporter... we are the ones crying after a match when we lose... the pseudo Carlton supporters are the ones high-5'ing each other saying another one down for the PP...
Your saying in a couple of years you'll be still bawling your eyes out because we lost a H & A game to Melbourne or the like in 2007? A game people will remember as much as they remember the result of Round 20 2005 today? That makes you a better supporter than some others? Have you any idea how ridiculous that is? Get a grip.
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 21:46
Your saying in a couple of years you'll be still bawling your eyes out because we lost a H & A game to Melbourne or the like in 2007? A game people will remember as much as they remember the result of Round 20 2005 today? That makes you a better supporter than some others? Have you any idea how ridiculous that is? Get a grip.
thats good... really good...
I'm saying that the true supporters are the ones who get upset when we lose... not like the supposed supporters who are revelling in the losses because they think that we will get something special out of the draft.
The AFL has become a farce. Is their another competition in the world where a large proportion of supporters want their team to lose? It would be fantastic if the AFL at least scrapped the ridiculous PP system at the end of this year (after the next draft of course. Carlton have "earned" their pick)
I really miss the proud and arrogant Carlton that existed over five years ago. I always hated Carlton but I always respected them.
So true. What a joke that a system is set up that encourages supporters to want to lose.
What is best for the competition is the system is fixed so that winning is the be all and end all.
They will have all the fake arrogance of Carlton supporters who want to appear to be real Carlton supporters...
The Real Carlton supporters will never give up the passion or the arrogance of being true blue bloods... You can always tell a true Carlton supporter... we are the ones crying after a match when we lose... the pseudo Carlton supporters are the ones high-5'ing each other saying another one down for the PP...
I really don't care what kind of supporter you are, whether you are pro or anti tank.....its not actually a question any more of what is best for Carlton. Its not like these crappy threads don't exist on other boards.........A groundswell should be building to have Demetriou and his handbags removed from their positions. Are they really this deaf?
About time that all Carlton supporters acknowledge that we all love the club, and we are allowed to disagree on a strategy for future success.
About time all this anger and venom is directed to the superfluous idiots that bizarrely still run this game.
mediumsizered
18 Aug 2007, 21:54
I get angry about losing and get very passionate, but i see now how the loss of meaningless matches helped the club to turn itself around.
During the Schwab era pre-Clarkson changeover, we were beginning to embrace this losing culture, when we totally scrapped the list and rebuilt around a few KPP's that were PP's. Clarkson got rid of the players he saw not going to be around during the next GF push and acquired picks and young yet unestablished players to fill the holes.
Had we won the games with Schwab in 2004, kept the coach and not got the kids, and kept the list intact for longer, then we would still be wallowing in the depths of the AFL's abyss.
Losing is winning as the coach can select the kids he wants in the new Carlton and to scrap his own dead wood and to follow a formula to success. it isn't a given but the signs are there.
Is it really PP's that have lifted Hawthorn up the ladder this season? How about the contribution of the following players: Chance Bateman (pick 48), Tim Boyle (pick 51), Campbell Brown (pick 32), Robert Campbell (rookie), Stephen Gilham (rookie), Brent Guerra (PSD), Rick Ladson (pick 16), Jordan Lewis (pick 7), Ben McGlynn (rookie), Sam Mitchell (pick 36), Brad Sewell (rookie), Simon Taylor (pick 53), Clinton Young (rookie)?
Of course Luke Hodge is a star, but you didn't have to tank to get him. Buddy Franklin is pretty damn good, but you only had to use pick 5 to get him. Jarryd Roughead has shown some good signs this season (we probably made him look better than what he really is), but realistically it isn't the PP's that Hawthorn obtained following their ordinary 2004 & 2005 seasons that have led the turnaround, but the more mature, lesser lights, who it would seem are being well developed by the Hawks. If/when Carlton & Hawthorn enjoy premiership success in coming years, it won't because of a priority pick, it will be because they have drafted wisely & done the hard work in developing the kids taken later on in the draft.
Dramoth
18 Aug 2007, 22:01
So true. What a joke that a system is set up that encourages supporters to want to lose.
What is best for the competition is the system is fixed so that winning is the be all and end all.
I really don't care what kind of supporter you are, whether you are pro or anti tank.....its not actually a question any more of what is best for Carlton. Its not like these crappy threads don't exist on other boards.........A groundswell should be building to have Demetriou and his handbags removed from their positions. Are they really this deaf?
About time that all Carlton supporters acknowledge that we all love the club, and we are allowed to disagree on a strategy for future success.
About time all this anger and venom is directed to the superfluous idiots that bizarrely still run this game.
I agree 100% with this...
Maybe the superfluous idiots who are still running the game have altered the draft rules to put Carlton into a position where they can have another slap at us for abusing the system.
But I agree, the draft system as it stands now is severely flawed and needs to be changed.
I think that it was Malthouse who suggested using a system based on some American draft system where the teams outside of the finals teams go into a lottery and the winner gets the PP.
I believe that this would be a fair and equitable system as it give the bottom 8 teams an equal chance of getting the PP.
Rather than rewarding the worst performing team over 2 years.
I agree 100% with this...
Maybe the superfluous idiots who are still running the game have altered the draft rules to put Carlton into a position where they can have another slap at us for abusing the system.
But I agree, the draft system as it stands now is severely flawed and needs to be changed.
I think that it was Malthouse who suggested using a system based on some American draft system where the teams outside of the finals teams go into a lottery and the winner gets the PP.
I believe that this would be a fair and equitable system as it give the bottom 8 teams an equal chance of getting the PP.
Rather than rewarding the worst performing team over 2 years.
A while back I got howled down for suggesting that the premier should get the no.1.......Thats probably fair enough, but at least all teams would be trying 100% all year to improve their ladder position.
Don't mind the lottery.
What if the No. 1 went to the team in the bottom eight that scored the most Brownlow votes?
thylacine60
18 Aug 2007, 22:27
God I love this Club!
(Hands raised to sky Willem Defoe style in Platoon).
borissey
19 Aug 2007, 20:01
I'm saying that the true supporters are the ones who get upset when we lose... not like the supposed supporters who are revelling in the losses because they think that we will get something special out of the draft.
True supporters? Someone who disagrees with you about the future of the Club isn't a true supporter?
Sort of like you're part of the Aryan race of Carlton fans?
thylacine60
20 Aug 2007, 00:39
True supporters? Someone who disagrees with you about the future of the Club isn't a true supporter?
Sort of like you're part of the Aryan race of Carlton fans?
Lad comes across that way sometimes. Whatever happened to taking a loss like an adult? As though if you aren't weeping in your beer or belting your wife or kicking your dog after a loss you don't qualify as a "true supporter". What toss. Good call B. :thumbsu:
Dramoth
20 Aug 2007, 00:41
True supporters? Someone who disagrees with you about the future of the Club isn't a true supporter?
Sort of like you're part of the Aryan race of Carlton fans?
No... anyone who supports the club losing is obviously supporting the wrong team.
Dramoth
20 Aug 2007, 00:42
Lad comes across that way sometimes. Whatever happened to taking a loss like an adult? As though if you aren't weeping in your beer or belting your wife or kicking your dog after a loss you don't qualify as a "true supporter". What toss. Good call B. :thumbsu:
Are we talking about Carlton supporters or collingwood supporters here?