Congratulations Adam Mcphee on 100 games with Essendon.

[carnthedons07premiers]

Didn't realise this untill they put the banner up. Good stuff Mcphee.

[DaSawx]

Yep, well done, now can we trade him?

[Shane Hird]

Being at the game yesterday made me realise a few things..


1st one was....we have to trade McPhee before he's worth nothing at all..

2nd thing....we have to trade Mcphee..

3rd....can we trade McPhee? Will anyone want him?..


Very disappointing effort...


I've had it with him:(

[donvito]

I am usually a bit of a fan of mcphee but last night as it has been for a number of weeks but his decision making has been ****ing ordinary indeed and cost us at important times in the match...not the smartest footballer in the world that is for sure

[Merv]

Yep, well done, now can we trade him?

LOL, was that in the small print at the bottom of the banner? :D

Couldn't agree more

[BomberAce7]

Every 1 of those 100 games i will cherish forever!!! I said 2 months ago on here he was a overrated player! Now i can see why Fremantle pissed him off!

[BomberAce7]

Being at the game yesterday made me realise a few things..


1st one was....we have to trade McPhee before he's worth nothing at all..

2nd thing....we have to trade Mcphee..

3rd....can we trade McPhee? Will anyone want him?..


Very disappointing effort...


I've had it with him:(

Agree!!!!!

[Mero]

Being at the game yesterday made me realise a few things..


1st one was....we have to trade McPhee before he's worth nothing at all..

2nd thing....we have to trade Mcphee..

3rd....can we trade McPhee? Will anyone want him?..


Very disappointing effort...


I've had it with him:(

Just have to convince another club they want a bloke who turns the ball over like no-one else in the comp.

Does he have a list of blokes he will kick to, and only kicks it to them?
He only ever passes to Lloyd, Lucas or Hird.
Which is not great when Lucas is in the backline, and Lloyd has 3 opponents hanging off him.

[Bomber Stu]

Who would want him?

One good year, and not much else. He will be around next year, turning the ball over and trying to be a hard man................

[Runknisse]

Who would want him?

One good year, and not much else. He will be around next year, turning the ball over and trying to be a hard man................

You forgot as well as getting his mug photographed in the 'Society section of the Hun' at some poofy hair salon opening the night before a game. Such a knobbo.

[Barts]

Didn't realise this untill they put the banner up. Good stuff Mcphee.

Usually at the footy I am well controlled and just watch the game as a spectacle but McPhee can now claim that he is the first ever bloke to rile me with such an insipid effort! :mad:

Fair Dinkum spud of the highest order!

[Ben the Gooner]

Yep, well done, now can we trade him?

I concur. Winder and NLM will do just fine as the attacking HBF.

[Darealrath]

His Essendon career has been a bell curve with me. First few games I thought there was something a bit wrong with this bloke but then he started to win me over, peaking with the AA, but he's been on a downward spiral since then.

He's very much trade bait though he's looked pretty good playing up the field the last couple weeks. Certainly presents well and finds space, it's just his footy brain (lack of) lets him down so often.

[sameolds]

agree. mcfly should be packed off to ireland in return for some martin clarkes. his papers should be signed 'never to return to OZ'.

where are his supporters now!?!? V.quiet after last nights shermozzle.

[Boris_Bewick]

I'm not necessarily a supporter and he did have a poor game decision wise but in his defence, he was one of the only players who were having a dip and actually looked like he was trying. Most of the others were pathetic.

where are his supporters now!?!? V.quiet after last nights shermozzle.
Of course they're going to be quiet, he had a shocker what do you expect. It's exactly the same as when he has a good game, all his knockers are very quiet. If you don't have ammunition you don't say anything do you. That's how it works, especially on Bigfooty.

[blues4flag]

I used to rate Mcphee very highly as a player and thought it was only injury that kept him from AA form. This year, he started off well but has gone downhill since then. His game yesterday was pretty pathetic - don't value him anywhere near what I used to, would not want him at Carlton.

[windyhill]

would not want him at Carlton.

I`m sure Smokey would be relieved to hear that news.

[bruce29]

Didn't realise this untill they put the banner up. Good stuff Mcphee.
how much does he look like riewoldt? its scary

seperated at burth

[Longy413]

I`m sure Smokey would be relieved to hear that news.

They chased him pretty damn hard last year...

[blues4flag]

I`m sure Smokey would be relieved to hear that news.

Because no one will want to leave the raging Bombers. :)

Thought the effort for Hird and Sheeds by the Bomber boys on the weekend was admirable, really got up for the game. :thumbsu: Good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the Tiges. ;)

[SOT4]

Because no one will want to leave the raging Bombers. :)

You do realise you're 6 wins below us and an absolute rabble, dont you?

[blues4flag]

You do realise you're 6 wins below us and an absolute rabble, dont you?

You do realise that you're 6 wins ahead of us and still a rabble? Essendon have clearly over-performed this season, had a stellar first half of the season given their list, however after the break have only won 3 games, two of those to bottom 3 sides.

Not meant as a troll, just where I think your side is at. Sheeds has persisted with the older guys too long, not putting enough gametime into the younger players. Out of your 9 players 28+, only two are realistically a chance of being apart of serious finals push, being Lloyd and Lucas, with maybe Peverill an outside chance. The other 6/7 are either too old or not good enough. Essendon obviously has the advantage in experience over Carlton - however, given the state of both lists, I'm not so sure that is an advantage.

Your youth, whilst a few gems (Gumbleton will be a star) - is not as strong as Carlton's is, and are also less experienced, given Sheedy's continued playing of the older guys. I expect it'll be a rough couple of years for the Bombers, as the burden shifts from the 28 year olds to the under 21's who are largely inexperienced. I'd give Carlton the nod in the youth category - however most are untried thus hard to call. Still, the potential addition of two elite talents will clearly push it in Carlton's favour.

In the 21-26 year olds, I'd say both sides are about even in terms of numbers, with approximately a dozen guys each who look worthy of long term options, Essendon's being (obviously wouldn't be a good a judge as you Bomber supporters, but from what I've seen):
McVeigh, Hille, Lovett, Lovett-murray, Davey, Winderlich, Laycock, Watson, Slattery, Stanton, Nash and maybe Mcphee - can't comment on Chartes or Lee. That's 11-12 out of 20.

Carlton's: Stevens, Scotland, Fevola, Houlihan, Waite, O'hAilpin, Thornton, Carrazzo, Fisher, Simpson, Walker, Jamieson, Bentick and possibly Cloke and Aisake (whom I'm confident on but yet to be seen at AFL level). That's 13-15 out of 23.

Might be biased, but I'd definitely choose Carlton's 21-26 year olds. Looking forward, neither side looks to have any immediate success. Yet I maintain that Carlton's long term future is brighter than Essendon's - we might be mediocre now but we are definitely on the rise - and back to the issue, not sure Mcphee would ideally choose either of these clubs, but Carlton to me is the more enticing option.

[Daytripper]

You forgot as well as getting his mug photographed in the 'Society section of the Hun' at some poofy hair salon opening the night before a game. Such a knobbo.

I think this sums up some supporters dislike of McPhee. Basically its for no apparant reason than he gets his head in the paper sometimes.

McPhee tried exceptionally hard again Sunday night. There were plenty of players worse than him the other night but hey, he's an east target like Kepler and Bolts so lets all get stuck into him.

The couple of times he did make poor decisions came on the end of about 3 or 4 running bounces. He was obviously stuffed and basically his body wouldn't let him do what his brain wanted. You try running full tilt for 100 meters, bouncing the ball and pin-pointing a 40 meter pass. Its not bloody easy.

Once again, some of the younger players escape criticism. Its just so easy to pin it all on McPhee.

Gumbleton for example was pathetic on Sunday. Sheedy gave him a shot at CHF Sunday night, moving Lucas down back and he failed miserably. Reimers was out-muscled constantly. Dempsey whilst showing great signs turned the ball over constantly. Monfries was again just mediocre. Welsh apparantly cannot kick more than 30 meters or how else can you explain his dinkly little 30 yard chip kicks that he attempts all the time.

Some of you lot need to watch the game properly and stop just finding the first easy target to blame available.

Those of you calling for him to be traded have absoloutly no idea about where our list is in regards to 23-26 year olds at the moment. To put it frankly, its not great and getting rid of McPhee would just make it worse.

Leave him alone. All of you.

[BlacK'n'ReD]

Was just about to say...He ran all night on Sunday. He made some bad decisions, but our whole team did (Even wonder-boy Jim). At least he put the effort in fellas; can't say the same for many others on our list.

[bacon buster]

i'd have to agree. he was one of the few players on sunday night who busted their ass and ran all night. he did make some terrible decisions though, and has done consistently for pretty much the last 2 years.

[Longy413]

Sheeds has persisted with the older guys too long, not putting enough gametime into the younger players.

Of course, in saying that you are completely ignoring that Jason Johnson and Campo were pushed out of our best side for a lot of the year.

That Bolton, Peverill have also been pushed out of the side and Mark Johnson's fate looks similar.

That as of Saturday, we will have debuted 8 players for the season.

That players 21 y/o and under, or with less than 50 games experience such as Lovett, Stanton, Winderlich, Davey, Monfries, Nash, Watson, Dempsey, Jetta, Slattery, Laycock are all in our best 22-25 and have played a number of games this season.

That McPhee, NLM and Welsh are in our best 22 and are only 24.
McVeigh 26.

That's 18 players. Under 26, all with varying levels of improvement in them.

Yep, we're really old.

No, we haven't played kids at all.

Apart from Hocking, Bradley, Hislop, Houli, Reimers, Gumbleton that have also played this year.

That's not to say they're any good, or will be any good, but for you to pretend we haven't played young players shows you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

If you want to talk quality. Winderlich, McVeigh, Watson, Welsh will all finish top 6 in our best and fairest. Davey would have been up there if it wasn't for his injury. Stanton top 10. All 26 and under, in a team that has won 6 and a half more games than you.

You can pretend Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher carried us. But that would be ignoring the performances of many.

That would be ignoring that Monfries and Lovett tore you apart last weekend.

As for McPhee making a choice, he had a choice last year. He chose Essendon, regardless of the fact Carlton offered him much more money.

[blues4flag]

Of course, in saying that you are completely ignoring that Jason Johnson and Campo were pushed out of our best side for a lot of the year.
Since when was Campo ever a part of your best side? :confused:
That Bolton, Peverill have also been pushed out of the side and Mark Johnson's fate looks similar.
Bolton yes, Peverill now only that the season is over.
That as of Saturday, we will have debuted 8 players for the season.
Seven debutants, with the most having played only 5 games? Seven debutants who played less than 3 games on average?
That players 21 y/o and under, or with less than 50 games experience such as Lovett, Stanton, Winderlich, Davey, Monfries, Nash, Watson, Dempsey, Jetta, Slattery, Laycock are all in our best 22-25 and have played a number of games this season.

If you read my post, you'll see that I counted the youth as 20 year olds and under. I agreed that all the 21 year olds listed there will be part of your future. And I think you'll find that Winders, Laycock, Watson, Lovett and Davey are all over 21 one, with the last two being 24 and 23.

However, Dempsey and Jetta in your 22-25? Jetta hasn't played a game since round 4 and spent time in the VFL reserves, hardly in your 25. Dempsey has played only one game this season - not sure if he was injured but definitely not a member of the 25.
That McPhee, NLM and Welsh are in our best 22 and are only 24.
McVeigh 26.
Point being? Every team in the competition would have numerous guys of that age in their starting 22.
That's 18 players. Under 26, all with varying levels of improvement in them.
Again, as would all teams in the competition. Including Carlton.
Yep, we're really old.

No, we haven't played kids at all.

Apart from Hocking, Bradley, Hislop, Houli, Reimers, Gumbleton that have also played this year.
I never said they weren't experienced, I said they were less experienced than Carlton's. Which is clearly the case.
That's not to say they're any good, or will be any good, but for you to pretend we haven't played young players shows you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.
No idea? Again I never said they weren't played, I said they were less experienced. Which is definitely accurate, when you consider that Micheal, Fletcher, Hird, Mark Johnson, Peverill, and to a lesser extent, Lloyd and Lucas have played the vast majority of the season. I am saying that most of those guys aren't worthy of being in the starting 22, quite a few of them are, however realistically most of those guys will not be around come Essendon's next finals push, and thus are taking the spot of younger guys. Deserve their spot, but are not helping list development.
If you want to talk quality. Winderlich, McVeigh, Watson, Welsh will all finish top 6 in our best and fairest. Davey would have been up there if it wasn't for his injury. Stanton top 10. All 26 and under, in a team that has won 6 and a half more games than you.

Scotland - 27, Fevola, Carrazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Waite, Walker, Murphy - 26 and under, all likely to be in the top 10 B&F. Again, this is the same as Carlton's list. It is the experience which we lack, given Stevens injury, Kouta and Lappin's age and Whitnall's issues that has hurt us from winning a few more.
You can pretend Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher carried us. But that would be ignoring the performances of many.
A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

[windyhill]

Because no one will want to leave the raging Bombers. :)

Thought the effort for Hird and Sheeds by the Bomber boys on the weekend was admirable, really got up for the game. :thumbsu: Good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the Tiges. ;)

silvagni`s 300 ?
last game at princes park ?
blue m&M jumpers ?
1993 ?

Thought the effort by the blue boys on the weekend of "sos`s" 300 was admirable, good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the tiges.

[blues4flag]

silvagni`s 300 ?
last game at princes park ?
blue m&M jumpers ?
1993 ?

Thought the effort by the blue boys on the weekend of "sos`s" 300 was admirable, good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the tiges.

Sad to lose the game - however it was a two goal loss to a top 4 side, not a 5 goal loss to the bottom side.

[windyhill]

Explain the "last game at princes park" one, that was a classic, with old light fingers nicholls holding the ball up to everyone at the end,did he try and sell the ball later ? what was that margin ?

[blues4flag]

Explain the "last game at princes park" one, that was a classic, with old light fingers nicholls holding the ball up to everyone at the end,did he try and sell the ball later ? what was that margin ?

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.

[windyhill]

I still want to know if light fingers sold the ball

[mojon95]

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.
I can't wait to see Kouta's last game and how you spoil the ending for a Draft Pick;)lol:p

[RyderFahey]

I used to rate Mcphee very highly as a player and thought it was only injury that kept him from AA form. This year, he started off well but has gone downhill since then. His game yesterday was pretty pathetic - don't value him anywhere near what I used to, would not want him at Carlton.

He is better than lance whitnall at least he can run... how would u like to have a fat slob as your captain

[blues4flag]

I can't wait to see Kouta's last game and how you spoil the ending for a Draft Pick;)lol:p

Kouta's last game? :confused: Sorry mate, your about a month too late. His last game was the narrow defeat to the Saints - not that anyone knew, as he retired during the following week.

[sameolds]

I'm not necessarily a supporter and he did have a poor game decision wise but in his defence, he was one of the only players who were having a dip and actually looked like he was trying. Most of the others were pathetic.


Of course they're going to be quiet, he had a shocker what do you expect. It's exactly the same as when he has a good game, all his knockers are very quiet. If you don't have ammunition you don't say anything do you. That's how it works, especially on Bigfooty.

the problem is even when he has a dip and looks pathetic. Trust me mate, his supporters have been there when he has been ordinary trying to convince me otherwise. This is one of the very rare times they have not piped up due to the magnitude of his incompetence. He has rarely played well this year, and everyone can say its 'just his decision making process' but the fact is games are won and lost on this very process. fair nuff i'm a newbie, and maybe i dont know 'how it works' but im not daft and neither are people that see him play at present.

[windyhill]

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.

double standards alive and well at carlton. richmond beat us twice last year and we were very lucky to get over the line earlier this year. So it`s ok for carlton to lose milestone games but not Essendon ? Fair enough. And i still want to know if light fingers nicholls flogged that ball off.

[Longy413]

Since when was Campo ever a part of your best side? :confused:

He's an example of younger players pushing older players out of the side.

Heff another example.

Bolton yes, Peverill now only that the season is over.

The season was still alive on Sunday.
Pev and Bolts were dropped before then.

Seven debutants, with the most having played only 5 games? Seven debutants who played less than 3 games on average?

Davey played 14 games before getting injured.
Jetta has only played 3-4 VFL games between injuries.
Gumby injuries.

They would have played more footy had they been fit. But again, we've played kids.

If you read my post, you'll see that I counted the youth as 20 year olds and under. I agreed that all the 21 year olds listed there will be part of your future. And I think you'll find that Winders, Laycock, Watson, Lovett and Davey are all over 21 one, with the last two being 24 and 23.

I think you'll find I also said Under 50 games.
Experience is a bigger variable in improvement than a birth certificate.

Lovett and Davey still have a huge scope for improvement that will come with playing more games of footy.

Winderlich and Laycock also fit into that category.

Watson has only just passed 50 games.

However, Dempsey and Jetta in your 22-25? Jetta hasn't played a game since round 4 and spent time in the VFL reserves, hardly in your 25. Dempsey has played only one game this season - not sure if he was injured but definitely not a member of the 25.

And you're definitely proving you're out of place commenting on this subject.

Stop guessing and go away and educate yourself.

I never said they weren't experienced, I said they were less experienced than Carlton's. Which is clearly the case.

Essendon's side last week was about 14 months older than Carlton's (on average).

That's about 17 days older per player. Hardly much of a difference.

And that was on the back of Campo and MJ coming back into the side for one last crack at a career.

Deserve their spot, but are not helping list development.

Crap.

What's better for Ryder's development?
Playing along side Mal Michael or Andrew Lee?

The kids that are playing deserve their spot, they earn a spot.
They aren't handed spots, and there's a lot of them that get a go.

If you think playing along side more kids is better for the development of young players, then you're kidding yourself.

Earn your spot, play along side good players and you improve because of it.

Scotland - 27, Fevola, Carrazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Waite, Walker, Murphy - 26 and under, all likely to be in the top 10 B&F. Again, this is the same as Carlton's list. It is the experience which we lack, given Stevens injury, Kouta and Lappin's age and Whitnall's issues that has hurt us from winning a few more.

No, you're just crap.

A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

Except for the fact that Ryder and Gumbleton have slotted in nicely.

And that our improvement this year has also come on the back of improvement from Davey, Stanton, Watson, Winderlich, Slattery, Monfries, Laycock, Ryder.

I wonder how many of them improved because they had the likes of Campo, Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas etc to draw on?

Maybe it's the reason we don't have first year players in our leadership group.

[Crave]

The majority of the kids should bear no criticism whatsoever, aside from their individual development, it takes a great deal of time to gel together as one working unit. Its the 50-100 game group that are the main concern from my perspective.

[mojon95]

Kouta's last game? :confused: Sorry mate, your about a month too late. His last game was the narrow defeat to the Saints - not that anyone knew, as he retired during the following week.

exactly my point, lol u suck

[blues4flag]

exactly my point, lol u suck

:confused:

Your formatting skills are magnificent, well done. :)

[bomberstomake8]

haha i am actually reading a carlton supporter bag another team arent i??? jeez someone doesnt have a brain

[mayhem20202]

A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

Interesting to note that our spine would be ruined if you took out all the players it is made up of. I am not sure what the point of this is. That is like saying Brisbane's CHF position would not be as strong if they didn't have Jon Brown, or WCE's best onballer wouldn't be as good if he wasn't Judd.

Obviously Essendon's second string FF, CHF, CHB and FB are not as good as their best FF, CHF, CHB and FB, that is why those players get a game every week. If they weren't any good, they wouldn't be in every week.