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Basil Fawlty
17 May 2002, 19:40
We didn't get off to a good start yesterday at all. Sri Lanka smacked us all around the park, scoring 3/314. We will have to play really well to get out of this one.
SeinDude
18 May 2002, 01:59
Originally posted by Basil Fawlty
We didn't get off to a good start yesterday at all. Sri Lanka smacked us all around the park, scoring 3/314. We will have to play really well to get out of this one.
I didn't even know the game had started yet.... and it's on the Foxtel too which is a bonus!! Sri Lanka are doing extremely well so far, piling on the runs at 534 for 7.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
Flat pitch Sein. there is nothing in it for anyone which is unusual for Lord's, but then again it is England's worst Test venue on home soil.
SeinDude
18 May 2002, 23:48
In reply to Sri Lanka's huge 1st innings score of 8 for 555 declared, England are 3 for 170 with Vaughn 51* and Thorpe 15*.
England still trail by 385 runs with 7 wickets remaining.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
SeinDude
19 May 2002, 01:45
England are collapsing like a deck of cards... 8 for 239 needing another 117 to avoid the follow on of 356.
The thing that confuses me is why on earth have England reverted back to players such as Alex Stewart and John Crawley?? Goodness gracious me, if England don't start finding some decent young players and keep playing them, they'll never get anywhere near beating Australia!!
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
red+black
19 May 2002, 03:20
quite obvious that the game was over before it started. two teams in a completely different class, with or without murali.
atapattu must have been disappointed with his 185, one of his poorest centuries. you listening mark waugh - learn to convert your hundreds into match winning scores!!!
i just look at the sri lankan batting line-up and think "Fcuk that's impressive!"
Brett Li
20 May 2002, 04:36
"quite obvious that the game was over before it started. two teams in a completely different class, with or without murali. "
Ha, ha, ha, ha.........
Is that why they beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka last year?.
Booze Hound
20 May 2002, 18:48
And Sri Lanka have another chucker, possibly even worse than their famed off break 'bowler'.
Perera should take up the javelin.
SeinDude
20 May 2002, 19:17
Originally posted by Booze Hound
And Sri Lanka have another chucker, possibly even worse than their famed off break 'bowler'.
Perera should take up the javelin.
Booze Hound,
Yeah, it was interesting to see Perera's action the other night. The ICC will definately have to have a look at his action more closely as it does appear suspect.
As for the test match, England look to have played themselves into safety, ending the 4th day at 2 for 321 in their 2nd innings. Vaughn made 115, guiding England to a lead of 41 runs with 8 wickets in hand and one day to play.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
red+black
20 May 2002, 20:11
England have performed superbly in the second innings, very hard to see a result now. I still think that Sri Lanka will win the series, but yesterday's batting by England will instill confidence for the rest of the series.
SeinDude
20 May 2002, 22:04
Originally posted by red+black
England have performed superbly in the second innings, very hard to see a result now. I still think that Sri Lanka will win the series, but yesterday's batting by England will instill confidence for the rest of the series.
red+black,
I wouldn't be writing England off just yet, especially at home. They just need to become more consistant with their batting, and bowl much better than they did in the first test.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
red+black
20 May 2002, 22:30
Originally posted by SeinDude
red+black,
I wouldn't be writing England off just yet, especially at home. They just need to become more consistant with their batting, and bowl much better than they did in the first test.
Well England look in trouble with Daryl Harper officiating! Supposedly one of the 8 best umpires in the world! Given out LBW when the ball pitched outside leg and hit the roll and would have gone over.
I am sick and tired of poor lefties getting so many shocking LBW decisions go against them. Why is this issue never addressed? It's about time that lines were drawn down the pitch leg stump to leg stump and off stump to off stump. Luckily the terrible decision won't change the result (a draw).
Umpires might see a lot of cricket but they obviously don't realise how difficult it is for a right arm over the wicket bowler to get an LBW (unless you're Ooh Aah).
NYPomme
20 May 2002, 22:52
Originally posted by red+black
quite obvious that the game was over before it started. two teams in a completely different class, with or without murali.
Just dropped in today to find your typically measured remarks, R+B -Nice one! ;)
red+black
20 May 2002, 23:02
Originally posted by NYPomme
Just dropped in today to find your typically measured remarks, R+B -Nice one! ;)
yeah thanks mate, it was all downhill until i opened my mouth, so i think i'm doing my bit for the English cricket team. good to see that they took inspiration from my words.
as i speak, ENG 3/403 with butcher on 97 and thorpe on 17.
but watch out, murali's back in town!
Booze Hound
20 May 2002, 23:15
Red+Black
If you put lines down the pitch to show the off and leg stumps how long do you think it would be before, in the normal course of play, they would be erased and unusable?
I'd give it about 40 minutes, and that is a conservative guess.
Trescothicks's LBW yesterday wasn't a problem of line or height. He got rather a lot of wood on the ball before it struck his pad.
Butcher's just got his 100:)
red+black
20 May 2002, 23:21
Originally posted by Booze Hound
If you put lines down the pitch to show the off and leg stumps how long do you think it would be before, in the normal course of play, they would be erased and unusable?
I'd give it about 40 minutes, and that is a conservative guess.
Yeah it wouldn't work, but at least it wouldn't be a blatant mistake as giving a leftie out LBW when it's OBVIOUS, yes OBVIOUS that it pitched outside leg.
either change the rule or umpires should actually pay attention to where a ball pitches.
red+black
20 May 2002, 23:24
Originally posted by red+black
Umpires might see a lot of cricket but they obviously don't realise how difficult it is for a right arm over the wicket bowler to get an LBW (unless you're Ooh Aah).
Clarification: Obviously I meant
"yada yada yada"... against a left handed batsmen.
Booze Hound
20 May 2002, 23:42
R+B
Speaking as an umpire I can assure you that certain things which may appear obvious after five magnified freeze frame action replays on TV may not be in the blink of an eye and the heat of the moment (how many cliches can one man use?) during a match.
red+black
20 May 2002, 23:43
MA Butcher run out (Vaas/Sangakkara) 105 (296b 10x4 0x6) SR: 35.47
at least he made his hundred this time before getting run out.
55.3 overs left, effectively 4/161. slight chance for a result, but highly doubtful.
red+black
20 May 2002, 23:47
Originally posted by Booze Hound
R+B
Speaking as an umpire I can assure you that certain things which may appear obvious after five magnified freeze frame action replays on TV may not be in the blink of an eye and the heat of the moment (how many cliches can one man use?) during a match.
forget replays, i think i'm a pretty good judge of scenarios as i have described (without slo-mo etc). if umpires erred on the side of the batsmen, as they are supposed to, then i'd rather hear the occasional complaint that a batsmen was given not out when he was plum.
they say it's better to acquit a guilty man than incarcerate an innocent one. in some way, i'd like to apply that logic to umpiring decisions (but even as i read this myself i'm struggling :D)
Harper's done Hussain with one that pitched miles outside leg stump (& would have gone over the stumps as well), it was from a left arm bowler so it's exactly the same thing that R + B was talking about with 'poor lefties'
As for this game England picked a screwed up team & then bowled crap.It was bad enough leaving out a spinner but then picking 4 quicker bowlers, 3 of whom all take their wickets by bowling away swing is a joke-so what happens when the ball doesn't swing?exactly what we saw- the opposition rattle up 500+ dec.
It seemd bloody onvious to me that Tudor should have played before Cork (or Hoggard) to give the attack something different-ie a front line bowler who hits the deck hard & gets a bit of bounce.Obviously Flintoff does this but he's hardly a front line bowler at test level.
The England selectors are a joke, how many time shave we picked a 4 man 'pace' attack that lacks any genuine pace but comprises of 4 bowlers who can't take wickets if the pitch is flat & the ball doesn't swing?I think you've gotta go with a spinner in nearly every game except perhaps if it's a real green top which this one clearly wasn't (I don't care about history this track started the match almost white) & it's not worth picking fast bowlers who all bowl the same thing (ie swing) you need someone to do somehting on a flat pitch with little sideways movement & as far as I can see you only do that with extreme pace or with steepling bounce combined with accuracy (such as McGrath & in our case that should be Tudor's job)
Watching Caddick/Hoggard/Cork running in getting no swing & giving away half their runs on the leg side gave me the sh1ts big time.
Also did we really need 6 front line batsmen & Stewart at wk & Flintoff at 8?Surely we could have left Crawley at home.
In mitigation we batted as well as them in the second innings & although we had a terrible collpase in the first it was the only day where there was cloud cover & a bit of rain so batting was at it's worse-although there wasn't a grewat deal of swing & they really should have avoided the follow on.
Booze Hound
21 May 2002, 00:58
I think the England team for this game were a little 'underdone'. With the exception of Cork, Stewart and Crawley (who had played every County game) they should all have had one more four day match behind them.
Caddick seemed to lack rhythm and was the worst of the bowlers but he'll come back.
Lets face it, would you have rather batted under the sun on Thursday, 27 degrees and consequent flat pitch, or 20 degrees under the cloud on Saturday. If you doubt the difference the sun made to the bowling conditions compare Saturday and Sunday.
Brett Li
21 May 2002, 02:05
England 505-5 at Tea. Draw seems the only result. The English go crazy, they grind out a draw against a side they are in a different class from. Sri Lanka huge favourites before the game had even started must be disappointed they didn't kick pommie butt on this Lords surface.......:rolleyes:
All up on a flat track and with Murali I think Dav Whatmore and the boys would be relatively happy with a draw. It still leaves another 3 tests to go.
SeinDude
21 May 2002, 13:13
Marcus Trescothick was terribly unlucky to be given out LBW when he clearly got bat onto it, but in the true spirit of the game, he walked off and accepted the umpire's decision which was fantastic to see!!
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
red+black
21 May 2002, 14:20
Originally posted by Brett Li
England 505-5 at Tea. Draw seems the only result. The English go crazy, they grind out a draw against a side they are in a different class from. Sri Lanka huge favourites before the game had even started must be disappointed they didn't kick pommie butt on this Lords surface.......:rolleyes:
the teams on past and current form are in a different league. you could question SL on the fact that they have played a heap of tests at home against questionable opposition at times, but their numbers stack up.
but well done to England. with that result, definately heading to the 2nd test with heads held up high. the team needs rejigging though.
Originally posted by Booze Hound
Lets face it, would you have rather batted under the sun on Thursday, 27 degrees and consequent flat pitch, or 20 degrees under the cloud on Saturday. If you doubt the difference the sun made to the bowling conditions compare Saturday and Sunday.
Yeah I've mentioned that but after watching the whole of Saturday & Sundays' play (& most of the other 3 as well) I can assure that the Sri Lankan bowlers didn't get that much swing at all & whatever the weather the pitch was a vbelter it didn't suddenly give movement off the seam for those two days.
Whilst Hussain & Vaughn were batting it in the first innings it looked easy, Hussain was in especially good touch but he gave it away in a manner that the Sri Lankan top order didn't & there followed a painful & habitual collapse which was especially uncomfortable considering we had 8 front line batmen playing.
Anyway in today's Telegraph they labelled the England bowlers the 'Attack of the Clones' due to their similarity to one another & Hussain goes onto to say that on these pitches they won't beat the Lankans with spin but with 'raw pace' which begs the question if he knew this all along then why didn't the England selectors & he's not totally blameless as he may not pick the squad but him & Fletcher decide who to leave out from the 13 they're given & for my money they couldn't have made a worse choice.
Still we're 0-0 & if we play them in a Test where the ball swings & even seams around then they haven't got a prayer, play them in another one like this with Murali back & it's us who haven't an earthly.
Booze Hound
21 May 2002, 22:39
I saw more of this Test, particularly on the weekend, than I have done in any recent one and I thought there was much more movement available, and greater variations in bounce, on the Saturday than on any other day. Not as bad as you get at Headingley but still notable.
BTW Perera has been 'reported' by the umpires. I doubt he'll be seen for a while.
Originally posted by Booze Hound
BTW Perera has been 'reported' by the umpires. I doubt he'll be seen for a while.
You'd think so wouldn't you but I read that he's going to be allowed to play in the next Test.