A New Era? [Death Of The Journey]

[NiGHTFuRY]

So, with the apparent firm hand Harvey is now wielding with the playing group, and with some well known Dockers players futures with the club now uncertain, do you think there is a changing of the guard at Freo'.
Perhaps a new era in team discipline. The changes made to this weeks team are significant and by no means just a trivial punishment. A message is definitely being sent Harvs. Do you think it's good? Do you think it's bad?
What do you guys think? Fremantle fans only please.

[Peel Supporter]

It certainly seems like the actions of a coach who is not trying to get through one more game. I would put money on Harvs being there next year.

I would put some small money on some big(?) names Headland and Hasleby being shopped while they have currency.

At times Hase seems to live on reputation alone, top player when fully fit. Is he all he could be? I say good, could be great.

Headland is a flat track champ, only my view.

[David_Brent]

Hitting Jeff for 6 wasnt a firm hand?

[NiGHTFuRY]

Hitting Jeff for 6 wasn't a firm hand?

That was still in the CC era.I think the board had a bit to do with it [Gentleman Jeff & Belkanor can expand on that for you if you like], and if you remember at the time, the Ben Cousins thing and associated hysteria of player behavior was at a peak so I think in some ways the clubs hand was forced. But it also was a season killing move. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Firm hand - I cannot say??

I am more referring to the period from which Harvey has been our caretaker, and hopefully official Head Coach. Makes you wonder if Headlands & Haselby in particular, amongst a few others days are numbered at the club.

[footyfix]

I genuinely think Jeff does have a drinking problem so all the disciplinary measures in the world will eventually fail until he addresses this issue. The club will hopefully take a more productive tac otherwise.....And I am thrilled to pieces someone has finally seen Des for what I have thought Des is for years now,a very talented footballer who recons he's earned his medal and can now spend the rest of his career resting on his laurels except for the odd game here and there to tease us with what he is capable of. How many years did CC threaten endlessly to take a hard line then drop Macca or Cookie as the sacrificial lamb? I love the way Harvs has walked the walk not just talked it and I'll bet this has put a few on notice! Let the chips fall where they may!

[sumavich]

I am all for it !! Even if I'm going to get hammered by "Don't Bowl There" coz he is such a sage when it comes to all things footy.
I've said it before, Harvey is a winner !!
You need winners to take you all the way.
It'll be his way, or the highway.
And maybe that call about Dessie not doing what he was told in a game is ringing truer every week.
Go Harvey, he will be our first Premiership Coach, that there can be no question.

[Belnakor]

This could be a watershed moment.

[freocynic]

I am all for a new era in team discipline! Full marks to Harvey for this one. If Haselby, Grover, Headland & Dodd couldn't wait one more week to have a few drinks then you have to question their mindset. Sure there are no finals, but you have to prepare yourself for every game.

I don't think any of them will be traded or delisted because of this incident, and i don't think they should be, but it *should* be a wake up call for those guys. As long as Harvey keeps the same approach, and there is nothing to say that he wouldn't, then I would have him next year as senior coach in a heartbeat.

Personally I'm still excited about seeing the likes of the Drill, A Browne, Dunn, Drum and guys like Foster who played last week anyway, taking on Port. Some of these guys are playing for their futures on the list so it is a smart move from Harv's, he knows they'll be keen. We owe Port for round one and I think we'll take it up to them.

Finally, a thinking coach, not a PR guy

[dugrene]

He has got a better list than what CC started with so he will be able mix and match a bit during the trade and draft period.

I'm not about make any predictions except to say what happened today would have sent a strong clear message to the whole squad.

New era ? I think so.

[inferno66]

Harvey made the right decision. We have to show the players that player indiscipline is just just not acceptable at our club. In the past we have let players indiscipline just slide and it has been detrimental for our club.

[DOCKER MAN]

I am all for a new era in team discipline! Full marks to Harvey for this one. If Haselby, Grover, Headland & Dodd couldn't wait one more week to have a few drinks then you have to question their mindset. Sure there are no finals, but you have to prepare yourself for every game.


Finally, a thinking coach, not a PR guy
He wasn't with that lot he missed a recovery session, Solomon wasn't either he was late to the recovery session.

Yeh I like the look of our team this weekend even without some of our best 22, they did choose the right time to get suspended. I think Browne is in our best 22 or very close anyway and I know he will make the most of his oportunity so he gets re-signed with the club. I don't know anything about Obrien so it will be good to see him get a shot, hopefully we get a rising star nomination from some one this week.

[macka6210]

do you think this could have any impact on bells decision to play on . i mean could he be thinking ill stay if we play finals then the guys show they dont have the disipline to even finish a season . shows no respect to harvey or the FFC these guys should be disiplined harshly. haselby and headland should have reduced offers for their new contracts

[freocynic]

I stand corrected, Hasleby wasn't with them. He did miss a recovery session. Not sure if that means he just had a sickie and didn't ring in?

I can't help but think in part, with the season gone Harvey just wants to throw in some new blood (old blood as well) just to see where they sit in the list. This is a grand final for Haddrill, Browne, Cook, possibly McManus & possibly (but hopefully not) Bell.

I don't think this will have any impact on Bell playing on...if anything he might see that with Harvey as coach, you earn you spot in the team, something which Peter Bell was vocal about when under Connolly. He is more likely to play on I think. Hopefully he hasn't made up his mind to leave already

[dugrene]

do you think this could have any impact on bells decision to play on . i mean could he be thinking ill stay if we play finals then the guys show they dont have the disipline to even finish a season . shows no respect to harvey or the FFC these guys should be disiplined harshly. haselby and headland should have reduced offers for their new contracts

He is becoming a bit of an enigma. I dunno if this good for the Club.
The longer he procrastinates (publicly at least) the more he has influence over the Club.
So I'll say this to him.
"Hurry up and tell us, you aren't doing any one any favours by keeping your intentions to yourself"

[NiGHTFuRY]

Bell is a smart fella, we all know this. He may be a quiet man, but he leads by example. You can tell by the aura he has on field. He plays better than many players in their twenties in the league. He is a bona fide champion. If he needs one more week to tell everyone than so be it in my book. I understand everyones frustrations, but in regards to the media he has always gone his own way so we should not be surprised.

Lets be honest here, we're all half expecting him to quickly and nonchalantly announce his retirement this weekend.

I hope he plays on - he is a club legend... but if he plays for us next season we have a better chance of getting that maiden premiership.

[Lach72]

He wasn't with that lot he missed a recovery session, Solomon wasn't either he was late to the recovery session.

Yeh I like the look of our team this weekend even without some of our best 22, they did choose the right time to get suspended. I think Browne is in our best 22 or very close anyway and I know he will make the most of his oportunity so he gets re-signed with the club. I don't know anything about Obrien so it will be good to see him get a shot, hopefully we get a rising star nomination from some one this week.

According to the great sage, Barra, Haselby was out on the piss with a few others on Saturday night celebrating with Sean-y Mac after the birth of his child and didn't turn up for training/recovery the next day.

[FootyEater]

According to the great sage, Barra, Haselby was out on the piss with a few others on Saturday night celebrating with Sean-y Mac after the birth of his child and didn't turn up for training/recovery the next day.

doesnt matter why he missed the recovery, he is a proffessional footballer, needs to act like one. im loving the way harvs is being firm, it is what we needed in 95, and it has taken us untill the end of 07 to finally get a good hard coach halleluja!

[NiGHTFuRY]

Bans a sign of change at Freo

By Mike Sheahan, Herald Sun football commentator
August 31, 2007 10:00am

NORMALLY, West Coast chortles at any bad news emanating from Fremantle.
Given the history, Fremantle's tough disciplinary action against six players on Thursday should have had the Eagles giggling themselves silly. Not this time. The giggles have given way to frowns and mutterings of ill will.

Freo has chosen to overlook 25 per cent of its best line-up for a game that will decide whether West Coast can pinch second place, and a first-up home final.

Out went Peake, Dodd, Grover, Hasleby and Solomon, joining Headland, who missed last Sunday's win against Melbourne.

All for doing the wrong thing. For bringing Mad Monday forward by a week. That's on top of Josh Carr's suspension.

The Dockers will face Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Saturday night with a skeleton staff.

So, if Port can win by more than West Coast beats Essendon earlier in the day, Port stays second - for the first-up final against the Eagles.

The stakes are high. High enough, perhaps, to determine the premiership hopes of both.

Gerard Daffy, of the betting agency Lasseters, said last night that he had cut Port's premiership quote from $8 to $6.50 on the Dockers' news.

Freo, though, acted in its own best interests. It has taken a stand. Made a statement to its players and a cynical football world.

Hopefully, it is Mark Harvey's doing. Someone needs to assert some authority at Fremantle and who better than the coach-in-waiting?

The Dockers have wasted a year of their football lives. If not all of them, most of them.

They have been undisciplined on and off the field and Harvey has the chance to change the culture.

He can underline a new order at the club by making one or two tough decisions on players in the next month, too.

The Dockers' failure to play finals this year is a bigger indictment on their club than Geelong's miss last year.

The West Coast boys also know how to play up, but there's a fundamental difference. When it comes time to play football, they know what must be done.

The Eagles will be driven by the latest events at Fremantle, and work even harder to crush Essendon tomorrow.

If they still can manage to pinch second place and go on to win another flag, imagine the bragging rights in the west over summer.

Herald Sun

[Lach72]

Bans a sign of change at Freo

By Mike Sheahan, Herald Sun football commentator
August 31, 2007 10:00am

NORMALLY, West Coast chortles at any bad news emanating from Fremantle.
Given the history, Fremantle's tough disciplinary action against six players on Thursday should have had the Eagles giggling themselves silly. Not this time. The giggles have given way to frowns and mutterings of ill will.

Freo has chosen to overlook 25 per cent of its best line-up for a game that will decide whether West Coast can pinch second place, and a first-up home final.

Out went Peake, Dodd, Grover, Hasleby and Solomon, joining Headland, who missed last Sunday's win against Melbourne.

All for doing the wrong thing. For bringing Mad Monday forward by a week. That's on top of Josh Carr's suspension.

The Dockers will face Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Saturday night with a skeleton staff.

So, if Port can win by more than West Coast beats Essendon earlier in the day, Port stays second - for the first-up final against the Eagles.

The stakes are high. High enough, perhaps, to determine the premiership hopes of both.

Gerard Daffy, of the betting agency Lasseters, said last night that he had cut Port's premiership quote from $8 to $6.50 on the Dockers' news.

Freo, though, acted in its own best interests. It has taken a stand. Made a statement to its players and a cynical football world.

Hopefully, it is Mark Harvey's doing. Someone needs to assert some authority at Fremantle and who better than the coach-in-waiting?

The Dockers have wasted a year of their football lives. If not all of them, most of them.

They have been undisciplined on and off the field and Harvey has the chance to change the culture.

He can underline a new order at the club by making one or two tough decisions on players in the next month, too.

The Dockers' failure to play finals this year is a bigger indictment on their club than Geelong's miss last year.

The West Coast boys also know how to play up, but there's a fundamental difference. When it comes time to play football, they know what must be done.

The Eagles will be driven by the latest events at Fremantle, and work even harder to crush Essendon tomorrow.

If they still can manage to pinch second place and go on to win another flag, imagine the bragging rights in the west over summer.

Herald Sun

O rly Mike?

[Roundhouse]

The reaction to this weeks events by Freo supporters as a whole is quite surprising. I wouldn't have thought heralding a new era of discipline in the aftermath of breaches of team rules by a number of senior players is a bit hypocritical.

People saying that dropping players for these breaches is evidence of a "new hard line" approach are absolutely kidding themselves. I understand that a new regime brings about a new sense optimism, and rightly so, but ignoring the fact that players met very similar, and sometimes even harsher sanctions, for similar indiscretions under the old regime makes the unbridled nature of said optimism a bit disturbing.

By all means get 100% behind the coach, I am, I'm concerned that those who unquestioningly see the midas touch in everything Harvs does now will be the first to point the finger at him as the sole cause of all our woes when things go pear shaped, as they did with Connolly.

[NiGHTFuRY]

So Roundhouse...
are you calling people hypocritical, disturbed and I think you allude to labelling people white ants in the last paragraph, if we think the senior group and Harvey's punishment of players not towing the line is a good thing.:confused:

Would you rather they were not punished?

Beleive me - I have the good oil from some mail that gives me hope that a new era has indeed begun to descend on our club, and not a moment too soon.

Good bye and good riddance to the Journey.

[Roundhouse]

So Roundhouse...
are you calling people hypocritical, disturbed and I think you allude to labelling people white ants in the last paragraph, if we think the senior group and Harvey's punishment of players not towing the line is a good thing.:confused:

Would you rather they were not punished?

Beleive me - I have the good oil from some mail that gives me hope that a new era has indeed begun to descend on our club, and not a moment too soon.

Good bye and good riddance to the Journey.

Don't be so precious.

You know very well what I'm saying. I said, quite clearly, that people (including yourself) who are citing the dropping of players for a week for disciplinary reasons as a "new hard-line" stance are ignoring the fact that the same disciplinary measures have been taken before.

"The Journey" is over when we win a flag, and I am just as eager for that to happen as anyone. I'm 100% behind Harvs for as long as he is in charge of making that happen. But declaring the journey is over because a bunch of senior players broke team rules and were duly dropped as a result is not doing Harvey, or anyone else, any favours.

If you have some "mail" that he's the new messiah then great. I'm all for hearing it, and suggest you pass it onto the players as well because quite frankly this weeks actions by the playing group have amounted to a big slap in the face for Harvs, and one he doesn't deserve.

[NiGHTFuRY]

Don't be so precious.

You know very well what I'm saying. I said, quite clearly, that people (including yourself) who are citing the dropping of players for a week for disciplinary reasons as a "new hard-line" stance are ignoring the fact that the same disciplinary measures have been taken before.

"The Journey" is over when we win a flag, and I am just as eager for that to happen as anyone. I'm 100% behind Harvs for as long as he is in charge of making that happen. But declaring the journey is over because a bunch of senior players broke team rules and were duly dropped as a result is not doing Harvey, or anyone else, any favours.

If you have some "mail" that he's the new messiah then great. I'm all for hearing it, and suggest you pass it onto the players as well because quite frankly this weeks actions by the playing group have amounted to a big slap in the face for Harvs, and one he doesn't deserve.

I not being precious. Just summarising what you typed. I almost feel like your telling me off...

Allow me to expand on some things..

"The Journey" was a CC concept.
He is now gone, so it's dead. That is what I'm referring to. "The Journey" is what we could call the CC era. Has nothing to do with player discipline

I cannot really elaborate on my info, I gave my word not to and my word is my honour, but trust me when I say I trust the source.
Harv's is an arse kicker. It's what we need. Thats no big secret anyways...

Roundhouse - do you think Des has been "injured" all the time he's missed games under Harvs?

And yes we have droped players before... but that was under Connolly - who never really managed to assert control and had a hard time keeping team balance.

This is a new era because we have a new coach, and from what I've seen, Harv's won't be using little stories and terms to describe our situation. He calls a spade a spade. He's aloof and intimidating and gives it to the press at times as well. I think it's great.

[Roundhouse]

I not being precious. Just summarising what you typed. I almost feel like your telling me off...

Allow me to expand on some things..

"The Journey" was a CC concept.
He is now gone, so it's dead. That is what I'm referring to. "The Journey" is what we could call the CC era. Has nothing to do with player discipline

I cannot really elaborate on my info, I gave my word not to and my word is my honour, but trust me when I say I trust the source.
Harv's is an arse kicker. It's what we need. Thats no big secret anyways...

Roundhouse - do you think Des has been "injured" all the time he's missed games under Harvs?

And yes we have droped players before... but that was under Connolly - who never really managed to assert control and had a hard time keeping team balance.

This is a new era because we have a new coach, and from what I've seen, Harv's won't be using little stories and terms to describe our situation. He calls a spade a spade. He's aloof and intimidating and gives it to the press at times as well. I think it's great.

The bit I highlighted illustrates what I'm saying.

The argument that we have dropped players before in pretty much the same manner but .....somehow this time is different because Harvs is a hard-arse and Connolly was a softie. The statement that Connolly couldn't assert control, yet Harvey somehow has (coming on the back of rule breaches by a number of senior players) does seem without merit.

Talk is cheap. I've heard that Harvey is well respected among the playing group too, but it really means Jack if they break team rules en mass like they have this week. I don't blame him at all for it, but on the other hand I'm a little dissappointed that its happened in this supposed new era of discipline that was supposedly assured by Connolly's departure.

As for your "inside sources", I'm sorry but I've heard too many dribble baseless shyte about footy clubs (both on these boards and in reals life) over the years to give any creedence whatsoever to anything people claim to have on "good authority" without backing it up.

[NiGHTFuRY]

The bit I highlighted illustrates what I'm saying.

The argument that we have dropped players before in pretty much the same manner but .....somehow this time is different because Harvs is a hard-arse and Connolly was a softie. The statement that Connolly couldn't assert control, yet Harvey somehow has (coming on the back of rule breaches by a number of senior players) does seem without merit.

Talk is cheap. I've heard that Harvey is well respected among the playing group too, but it really means Jack if they break team rules en mass like they have this week. I don't blame him at all for it, but on the other hand I'm a little dissappointed that its happened in this supposed new era of discipline that was supposedly assured by Connolly's departure.

As for your "inside sources", I'm sorry but I've heard too many dribble baseless shyte about footy clubs (both on these boards and in reals life) over the years to give any creedence whatsoever to anything people claim to have on "good authority" without backing it up.

You get fired up easily. Don't try and get personal with me. So you saying I'm full of shit. Well - fine - dont respond to my posts then. Your not a very nice person Roundhouse.

[Roundhouse]

You get fired up easily. Don't try and get personal with me. So you saying I'm full of shit. Well - fine - dont respond to my posts then. Your not a very nice person Roundhouse.

Where did I get personal?

I have a problem with your particular argument about the recent suspensions somehow indicating a firmer hand than previous suspensions.
I also have a problem with any argument based on "inside information" for the reasons I outlined above. I attacked these arguments. How does that make me "not a very nice person"?

It is possible to argue against a persons position without it being a declaration of war.

[since82eags]

Maybe if you got rid of a few chronic offenders you might start get something out of the change in coach

[NiGHTFuRY]

Where did I get personal?

I have a problem with your particular argument about the recent suspensions somehow indicating a firmer hand than previous suspensions.
I also have a problem with any argument based on "inside information" for the reasons I outlined above. I attacked these arguments. How does that make me "not a very nice person"?

It is possible to argue against a persons position without it being a declaration of war.

Don't be condescending to me. Perhaps look at the tone in which you type your messages champ. I have never before addressed you with disrespect. Welcome to my ignore list.

[NiGHTFuRY]

Maybe if you got rid of a few chronic offenders you might start get something out of the change in coach
I have to agree, however some so called Dockers fans attack you for stating such.
Apprantley your full of shit if you happy that Harv's is asserting his authority.

[dominguez]

By all means get 100% behind the coach, I am, I'm concerned that those who unquestioningly see the midas touch in everything Harvs does now will be the first to point the finger at him as the sole cause of all our woes when things go pear shaped, as they did with Connolly.


Harvey, like Connolly, will be judged on results. We've missed the finals in 3 of the last 4 years, if Harvey has the same results then he'll be gone too and rightly so.

The dropping of 6 players this week will hopefully be a large step in sorting out the discipline problems at the club. Will it help us win games of footy next year? Only time will tell.

[dominguez]

Maybe if you got rid of a few chronic offenders


Like who? Cousins? Kerr? Fletcher?