Pagan on Fev (great article)

[marcmurphy3]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fevola-can-scale-greater-heights-so-dont-trade-him/2007/09/01/1188067438434.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

[Jimmy Gwilt]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fevola-can-scale-greater-heights-so-dont-trade-him/2007/09/01/1188067438434.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

yes that was a very good article - he is a character and i had a chat to him and he loves the club and wants to be there for the rest of his career and im sure he will be

[cong8]

Without even realising it, he can divide a group very quickly and I'm yet to encounter an individual who verbalises his thoughts as immediately as Brendan does.

This trait can bring him unstuck, as was the case this year upon learning that he had been overlooked as acting captain in favour of the less-experienced Jarrad Waite. Brendan's disappointment manifested itself in him telling the senior coach that he might not make himself available for the coming game!

As much as I admire all that is good in Brendan, he has caused me considerable angst at various times. The antics he served up in the round-13 match against Fremantle at Subiaco Oval were simply unacceptable. Most disappointing was that Brendan had nobody to blame but himself.

In the days leading up to this game, Brendan was noticeably flat, hence the decision to send him to Perth a day ahead of the main travelling party. Sadly, Brendan's idea of freshening up involved a Thursday night outing to play cards at Burswood Casino.

Sending Brendan away from the club to contemplate his immediate playing future certainly cost Carlton a possible victory against Melbourne the following week. Yet for the club's long-term benefit, no other course of action was possible.

Mind you, not everyone agreed with Brendan's one-game absence. One senior player told me in no uncertain terms that the sanction should have been longer.

having read the article and in particular those 2 passages, it has only reinforced my opinion that we should trade him

[Rambo Stallone]

having read the article and in particular those 2 passages, it has only reinforced my opinion that we should trade him

I understand that, but you have to prepare for us possibly winning the spoon next year and struggling for a few years or more without him as we are likely to struggle kicking scores in plenty of games.Their might be Ohailipin,Fisher and Waite but they haven't gone bang bang bang just yet only done it one year and Whitnall is finished you expect.

[Jarrod Waiteee]

then your an idiot.hes not going anyway get over it

[Austin_McCrabbs]

I think it's a great article.

But it's a bit sad that as good a spirit Brendan is, that he doesn't sound like he's matured or developed emotionally in four years.

[Dramoth]

I think it's a great article.

But it's a bit sad that as good a spirit Brendan is, that he doesn't sound like he's matured or developed emotionally in four years.

I think that it was more to do with Fev's stuff up with his missus last year that caused a lot of problems for him...

[blues4flag]

having read the article and in particular those 2 passages, it has only reinforced my opinion that we should trade him

Yet your ignoring all the good Pagan mentioned in the article? :confused: How many know Brendan the footballer as well as Pagan - very, very few would. He obviously believes we should keep Fev - and if Brendan can eradicate the bad, or at the very least minimize it, then he'll be fantastic.

[thylacine60]

Hall, Locket and to a lesser extent Gehrig and Spider Everitt all transformed themselves from boneheaded ****wits into consistent match-winners for their teams (jury still out on Spider I guess). Conspicuously they all managed the turnaround after moving clubs (and cities).

I hope that's not what Fev needs. Surely the many goings on politically and culturally, along with the comings and goings at PP on every level could replicate a fresh beginning for him without an actual move. We are virtually looking at a whole new club now with even more exciting intakes and necessary culling to come.

Keep Fev, maintain the rebuild.

[as0l0]

it is a good article. thanks very much for posting the link.

[BlueWorld]

Sending Brendan away from the club to contemplate his immediate playing future certainly cost Carlton a possible victory against Melbourne the following week. Yet for the club's long-term benefit, no other course of action was possible.We can thank him for the PP's!

[cong8]

Yet your ignoring all the good Pagan mentioned in the article? :confused: How many know Brendan the footballer as well as Pagan - very, very few would. He obviously believes we should keep Fev - and if Brendan can eradicate the bad, or at the very least minimize it, then he'll be fantastic.

:rolleyes: - the good points which everyone already knew about? - all of which are well known - passionate, the coach loves me incident, sense of family (where was that with ms bingle?), great with kids, a big influence on the younger players on the club - what was covered there that wasnt known?

As opposed to the bits surrounding circumstances that were less well known.

Did you know that fev threatened not to play upon learning the waite had been picked to captain the side ahead of him? - its certainly different to all the reports that had been coming out in the various forums of him (some of which included getting into a physical altercation with coaching staff etc). Threatening to make oneself unavailable for selection due to not agreeing with a decision of the leadership group smacks of petulance and he should have been suspended for it.

With respect to the second incident, there were various rumours on the forums/radio airwaves about what happened prior to the freo game - this has been the only account of what actually happened and actually explained the reason for the suspension. Is it not a concern that at least one senior player was upset enough to actually voice (in no uncertain terms) that fev should have been suspended for a lot longer than just the one match?

Ask yourself this - at a club where the majority of the senior list will be young, developing players and with little around in terms of leadership, can we afford to have a player show such signs of petulance, poor judgement and selfishness? Particularly, given the shadow that he casts over the playing group - what type of example is he going to set to the youngsters within the club next year when we will be even more light on for leadership (kouta, lappin already gone - lance a possibility)

[cong8]

I understand that, but you have to prepare for us possibly winning the spoon next year and struggling for a few years or more without him as we are likely to struggle kicking scores in plenty of games.Their might be Ohailipin,Fisher and Waite but they haven't gone bang bang bang just yet only done it one year and Whitnall is finished you expect.

Its impossible to know what will happen once we trade fev as we havent won enough games the past few years to be able to compare win ratios with and without fev.

Similarly its difficult to project how many goals we might be able to kick under a different forward structure (in the absence of fev) given that we tend to focus upward of 90% of all forward 50 entries towards fev.

Also, even without fev the spoon we arent likely to win the spoon again next season - you could reasonably expect most of our youngsters to provide improved performances (murphy, gibbs, kennedy etc) whilst the return of stevens will significantly bolster the midfield rotation. Rucks will have improved as well even if we end up having to ruck aisake full time (cant get much worse than the non-contests of ackland)

Ask yourself these following questions - what would you do if fev transgresses again next year? Will our leadership group be strong enough to enforce sanctions? and if they dont, what example is it going to set the younger players of the club? - Also how many chances can we, as a club afford to give fevola to 'mature'

To suggest that the loss of anyone player will automatically confine us to the spoon is ludicrous and doesnt take into account potential acquisitions from a trade. Lets not be too afraid to make the hard decisions - sometimes change is necessary.