View Full Version : Whitnal's first term good enough for me
Magnificence
2 Sep 2007, 18:41
Red showing plenty in the first term in a side getting smashed... if we flick him we are stupid... class above most of our side
james Dean
2 Sep 2007, 18:59
His leg is gone, he can't even kick 30 metres...Give him a coaching position and keep him at the club but as a player Lance is finished
**** me its good enough? are you kidding me 3 points and a out on the full from 30 out, get real we are a joke and you wana keep another idiot wow
MAKE THAT 4 points
1 out on the full
WOW yeah keep him.... idiot
4 points and one out on the full. :rolleyes:
I think Lance has the big posts mixed up with the small posts.
Kouta_legend
2 Sep 2007, 19:04
Well done to him hes playing really well.
I hope he keeps playing next year, but hopefully at another club where which will be better for him
Well done to him hes playing really well.
I hope he keeps playing next year, but hopefully at another club where which will be better for him
Yeah playing great... nearly made it from 50 thats good sign... we need more shit players who do nothing...
Magnificence
2 Sep 2007, 19:05
Name another player in our fwd line winnning the ball as much as he is?
Bluebear
2 Sep 2007, 19:10
I suspect that if he pulls up o.k. then he will play on.
His kicking lacks penetration and accuracy, but its his mobility that is the key.
If he is beating his man to the ball and taking marks, setting up chances, they will take the punt on him, hoping that a pre-season will put some power back into his legs and accuracy with his kicking.
Saddo being omitted from the worst defence in the competition is not a good sign for him and will be delisted, unless someone wants a trade.:D
AndyWalkersGirl
2 Sep 2007, 19:20
How good was it seeing Lance fly and take that mark??
was a great sight! :):thumbsu:
Name another player in our fwd line winnning the ball as much as he is?
You are right, it is not as if he isn't getting the ball is it?
blues4flag
2 Sep 2007, 19:28
See what Lance will get us elsewhere, if we can get a 2nd rounder for him, take it. He'll be 28 next year, and let's face it, with his body the way it is he won't be around much longer. Take what we can now because he won't be part of Carlton's next push.
Magnificence
2 Sep 2007, 19:33
Half time 13 possessions and 8 contested possessions, yes 8 contested possessions.... clearly not up to it.
NOT!
mediumsizered
2 Sep 2007, 19:35
Yeah playing great... nearly made it from 50 thats good sign... we need more shit players who do nothing...
I would suggest that Lance's kicking at goal is right up there with what Jarrod Waite has displayed for much of this season. The only difference being that Waite does not have a dodgy knee.
He finally lands one from bang on 50....just. :D
Magnificence
2 Sep 2007, 19:38
MAKE THAT 4 points
1 out on the full
WOW yeah keep him.... idiot
Red ALert 14 stats 1.4 and counting!!!!
Blu3_Boy
2 Sep 2007, 19:38
bahahahaha ANYONE SEE LANCE WHITNALL'S SCREAMER!>??????
WHAT A STAR :D:thumbsu:
bahahahaha ANYONE SEE LANCE WHITNALL'S SCREAMER!>??????
WHAT A STAR :D:thumbsu:
4 points... out on the full... YEAH ****ING STAR
grade A IDIOT
See what Lance will get us elsewhere, if we can get a 2nd rounder for him, take it. He'll be 28 next year, and let's face it, with his body the way it is he won't be around much longer. Take what we can now because he won't be part of Carlton's next push.
hahahahahahahahahaha
blues4flag
2 Sep 2007, 20:55
hahahahahahahahahaha
Given his form over the last couple, if a team feels they are one decent forward short of a serious crack then why not take a punt on Whitnall? Obviously, they'll have to make sure his knees are right, but if he can recreate his form of the first half today (big IF), would be an asset in a better team.
**** me its good enough? are you kidding me 3 points and a out on the full from 30 out, get real we are a joke and you wana keep another idiot wow
I can understand you wanting to get rid of Whitnall but pull your abusive head in. He is Carlton's captain, a son of a former great, a champion player from years gone by who has mostly done his best for the jumper.
And you sit there and call him an idiot???
Give me a break.
I can understand you wanting to get rid of Whitnall but pull your abusive head in. He is Carlton's captain, a son of a former great, a champion player from years gone by who has mostly done his best for the jumper.
And you sit there and call him an idiot???
Give me a break.
His dad a great? Hardly at 60 odd games over 7 seasons. Serviceable at best, just like his son now.
His dad a great? Hardly at 60 odd games over 7 seasons. Serviceable at best, just like his son now.
OK, I'll give you the father wasn't a great...that was hyperbole, but his son gave the club good service. Deserves respect. That was my only point.
JavaBlue
2 Sep 2007, 21:20
I think Lance knew what he was doing re kicks at goal.
Poor kicks=good picks.
I think Lance knew what he was doing re kicks at goal.
Poor kicks=good picks.
Thats rite. They have always said Lance had a good football brain
I would suggest that Lance's kicking at goal is right up there with what Jarrod Waite has displayed for much of this season. The only difference being that Waite does not have a dodgy knee.
Waite has kicked 28 goals 15 this year. Lance has kicked 19 goals 16. But more importantly since returning from "injury", Lance has managed 4 goals 9 and that does not include the numerous out of bounds recently and the times when he has not made the distance from 45m out.
Given his form over the last couple, if a team feels they are one decent forward short of a serious crack then why not take a punt on Whitnall? Obviously, they'll have to make sure his knees are right, but if he can recreate his form of the first half today (big IF), would be an asset in a better team.
If Lance plays forward next year then Kennedy wont get a game. The midfield will be under pressure when the ball hits the ground and Lances opponent will sweep it out. Cant put Lance at FF to prevent this hurting as much as Fev will be there (if he is not traded). Then there is Waite and Fisher and thats why the decision with Lance is not cut and dry.
Kennedy needs games and game time and going into his 3rd year next year he needs to be developed.
blues4flag
2 Sep 2007, 21:42
If Lance plays forward next year then Kennedy wont get a game. The midfield will be under pressure when the ball hits the ground and Lances opponent will sweep it out. Cant put Lance at FF to prevent this hurting as much as Fev will be there (if he is not traded). Then there is Waite and Fisher and thats why the decision with Lance is not cut and dry.
Kennedy needs games and game time and going into his 3rd year next year he needs to be developed.
It's mainly because of Kennedy that I want Lance gone. Kennedy will be there long term - Lance won't.
And it's because of Kennedy that I want Lance given a 1 year contract. The worst Lance could do is take some of the physical burden of CHF off JK who is only going to be 20 next year.
Sure as hell I don't want the kid to have to play 22 games at CHF next year. Too early.
And it's because of Kennedy that I want Lance given a 1 year contract. The worst Lance could do is take some of the physical burden of CHF off JK who is only going to be 20 next year.
Sure as hell I don't want the kid to have to play 22 games at CHF next year. Too early.
Play Waite there and Fisher and rotate them through with Kennedy. Push Setanta through there as well if it does not work out for him down back.
His leg is gone, he can't even kick 30 metres...Give him a coaching position and keep him at the club but as a player Lance is finished
Exactly right.
He just cannot get the journey from 40m anymore. Dermott said it perfectly on SEN. The club need to develop the kids, and get some more game time into them. Lance has been a great servant of the club, however, his time has passed, and he should be "let go" with some dignity.
Setanta will play down back and ruck, Waite will be needed all over the park and Fisher is a 3rd forward type. Whitnall for a year is a much better option.
Setanta will play down back and ruck, Waite will be needed all over the park and Fisher is a 3rd forward type. Whitnall for a year is a much better option.
Fisher is a better mark and plays a lot "taller" than Lance and can cover the ground and can actually convert. So if Fisher is a 3rd tall type then I would not know how to describe a bloke who is 190cms and apart from a mark today can barely get off the ground...........
If you believe that Lance is a better option than Fish then fair enough. But I cant agree. If Setantya plays back then Waite plas forward and a forward line of Fev, Fisher, Waite and Kennedy is more than enough talls and most likely 1 will have to come off the bench and that will most likely be Kennedy.
Setanta wont be needed in the ruck and Kreuzer will play almost straight away as a backup to either Cloke or Ackland and Aisake will be given opportunities as well.
Lots of young talls and some need game time and Kennedy is one of those. Some are not ready and need VFL time but some need to come through now and Lance will hold 1 of those up.
Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite
2 Sep 2007, 22:13
I originally wanted Lance gone, but not any more. Now that we've lost Kouta and Lappin (and will probably delist Saddington), our side has no experience whatsoever. I think someone said our oldest player was 28? Lance has shown enough the last 2 weeks that iwould wnat to give him a 1 year contract - we need all the experience we can get. My only worry is what it will do to JK's development
With no experience, I don't want our kids getting owned and their confidence destroyed. Their development is vital
mediumsizered
2 Sep 2007, 22:14
It's mainly because of Kennedy that I want Lance gone. Kennedy will be there long term - Lance won't.
It is mainly because of Kennedy that Lance should be given one more year. As both Gerard Healy & Danny Frawley said during the call of the game, Kennedy needs another couple of seasons in the gym before he will be ready to hold down CHF. I would think that next season Kennedy & Whitnall should rotate through the CHF position, protecting Kennedy from doing too much heavy work until his body is fully ready. At the end of next season, Lance announces his retirement & goes out on his terms, as he deserves, in much the same way that the struggling Kouta & Lappin have just done.
The only way I'd agree with moving Lance on is if the club thinks O'hAilpin Jnr is ready to play a fair bit of senior football in 2008.
Setanta will play down back and ruck, Waite will be needed all over the park and Fisher is a 3rd forward type. Whitnall for a year is a much better option.
We have that many talls, we don't know what to do with them.
Forwards: Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Kennedy
Backs: Thornton, O'hailpin, Austin, Bower and Jamison
Rucks: Cloke, Ackland, Hampson and Aisake.
And we are talking about taking Kreuzer as well. Wow. There are only a certain amount of talls we can play in any 22, let alone 18.
Should be an interesting few months down at Princes Park.
It is mainly because of Kennedy that Lance should be given one more year. As both Gerard Healy & Danny Frawley said during the call of the game, Kennedy needs another couple of seasons in the gym before he will be ready to hold down CHF. I would think that next season Kennedy & Whitnall should rotate through the CHF position, protecting Kennedy from doing too much heavy work until his body is fully ready. At the end of next season, Lance announces his retirement & goes out on his terms, as he deserves, in much the same way that the struggling Kouta & Lappin have just done.
Where do you fit Fisher, Waite and Fevola in that forward line? Jamison, Bower and Thornton along with Setanta will play back I imagine.
Clubs do not play a "tall" on the interchange bench at the start of games these days. Its normally 3 runners and the backup ruck. Otherwise you get run over at the end of games.
Forwards: Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Kennedy
Backs: Thornton, O'hailpin, Austin, Bower and Jamison
Rucks: Cloke, Ackland, Hampson and Aisake.
Still a reasonable chance he'll be elsewhere next season IMO...
I agree - it'll be an interesting next few months.
TheGeneral
2 Sep 2007, 22:27
You can add Austin and Hartlett, Flint and Edwards to the list of talls that will play next year if the last three names survive the cut. You'd imagine that Kreuzer will play next year if we pick him and be rested up forward for games whilst swapping into the ruck.
I can't see how we can fit Lance into our best 22 next year.
Saddington is gone.
doh its me
2 Sep 2007, 22:29
We have that many talls, we don't know what to do with them.
Forwards: Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Kennedy
Backs: Thornton, O'hailpin, Austin, Bower and Jamison
Rucks: Cloke, Ackland, Hampson and Aisake.
And we are talking about taking Kreuzer as well. Wow. There are only a certain amount of talls we can play in any 22, let alone 18.
Should be an interesting few months down at Princes Park.
Add Jake Edwards to the list
Too many talls........Saddington and Whitnall need to be cut and its time to get game time into the kids
mediumsizered
2 Sep 2007, 22:32
Where do you fit Fisher, Waite and Fevola in that forward line? Jamison, Bower and Thornton along with Setanta will play back I imagine.
Clubs do not play a "tall" on the interchange bench at the start of games these days. Its normally 3 runners and the backup ruck. Otherwise you get run over at the end of games.
Waite will see action both forward & back, Setanta hopefully will spend more time around the ground playing a similar role to Adam Goodes. Fisher will always be the player providing the link between defence & attack, while dropping in to take contested marks closer to goal every now & then.
Waite should never be looked at as a 'tall'/CHF, because he is not big enough, or strong enough to fulfil this role. Kennedy will be our next CHF, but he needs to be eased into the role otherwise his body will be worn out well before its time. That is where Whitnall comes in as he can absorb a lot of the heavy stuff that goes on. Put Kennedy through that for 4 quarters in every game next season & you will hinder his progress & potentially prevent him from fulfilling his potential.
Waite will see action both forward & back, Setanta hopefully will spend more time around the ground playing a similar role to Adam Goodes. Fisher will always be the player providing the link between defence & attack, while dropping in to take contested marks closer to goal every now & then.
Waite should never be looked at as a 'tall'/CHF, because he is not big enough, or strong enough to fulfil this role. Kennedy will be our next CHF, but he needs to be eased into the role otherwise his body will be worn out well before its time. That is where Whitnall comes in as he can absorb a lot of the heavy stuff that goes on. Put Kennedy through that for 4 quarters in every game next season & you will hinder his progress & potentially prevent him from fulfilling his potential.
I would suggest that Waite is plenty big enough to play CHF. But in the modern game you do not need a huge monster at CHF for every minute of every game. Thats why Lance and Kennedy will not work together. Its just to slow and be killed when the ball hits the ground.
Fisher, Waite, Fevola, Setanta, Bower, Jamison, Fevola, Kennedy and Thornton are plenty enough talls for next year. Adding in Lance just holds one of the younger ones up. Austin and Edwards as well might push for games next year. Then Aisake mightr be used as a tall as well as a backup ruck. Then there is Kreuzer who wont take long to be able to play a bit of time in the ruck and rest up forward.
Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite
2 Sep 2007, 23:08
You can add Austin and Hartlett, Flint and Edwards to the list of talls that will play next year if the last three names survive the cut. You'd imagine that Kreuzer will play next year if we pick him and be rested up forward for games whilst swapping into the ruck.
I can't see how we can fit Lance into our best 22 next year.
Saddington is gone.
Hartlett's been given a 1 year contract
Bluebear
2 Sep 2007, 23:08
Waite has kicked 28 goals 15 this year. Lance has kicked 19 goals 16. But more importantly since returning from "injury", Lance has managed 4 goals 9 and that does not include the numerous out of bounds recently and the times when he has not made the distance from 45m out.
Neither do Waites stats.
Nor Fisher for that matter........who also cannot get the journey from >45m and struggles with accuracy unless right in front 30m out.
But hey, lets just keep bagging the big bloke - he's an easy target.
Lucky no one on this board has anything to do with Carlton's list managment. The last few games of the season should have shown people how raw and underdeveloped are kids are. Yes there is serious potential but we are far from it. Having Lance gives stability and guidance to the younger guys. More importantly he I believe he is a good role model unlike that schmuk Fevola. If Fevola wasn't the greatest full forward in the league I would rather we trade him. But Lance is still 27, if hes knees are ok and is willing ot stay on top of his fitness, based on today he looked very good and could offer 3 to 4 years still of very good service.
Does anyone on this board no anything about list DEPTH!!! We have enough talent on the list already, its about sifting through the best of our youngsters after this point in time. Teams need stability not 8 debutants every year!
And if you still don't want Whitnall at the club, thats cool, thats your opinion, stop downgrading his performace over his career and calling him an idiot. Done a lot more than majority people could do with his body type. Knows how to use his assets effectively.
Bluebear
2 Sep 2007, 23:11
Still a slim chance he'll be elsewhere next season IMO...
I agree - it'll be an interesting next few months.
[Edit];)
No-one will offer what we want.
Had we not got the PP I think it was more likely Fev could have been traded for a ruck, as we would have missed out on Kreuzer.
Now that we will take him I can't see us trading Fev, as we will ask over the odds for him.
Neither do Waites stats.
Nor Fisher for that matter........who also cannot get the journey from >45m and struggles with accuracy unless right in front 30m out.
But hey, lets just keep bagging the big bloke - he's an easy target.
Fisher is actually pretty good from 45m out and is a better kick for goal than Lance. Waite is a much better kick than Lance.
I could bring in stats if you like?
Lance has kicked 19 goals 16 this year and in the last 3 games has kicked 4 goals 9 and not made the distance a number of times that a league footballer should. Probable done it more in those 3 games than Fisher or Waite has all season.
Fisher 39 goals 15.
Waite 28 goals 15.
Cant recall Fisher not making the distance from 45m out 3 or 4 times in a game and then kicking out on the full. Fisher is not a long kick but is reliable if a little ungainly and I would back him from 45m out over Lance anyday of the week and same for Waite.
The way Kennedy sails them through from 45m out in comparison is embarassing for Lance really. His time has passed.
Bluebear
2 Sep 2007, 23:38
Fisher is actually pretty good from 45m out and is a better kick for goal than Lance. Waite is a much better kick than Lance.
I could bring in stats if you like?
This year you'd be right.
Both Waite and Fisher have improved, while Lance has lost some penetration......but has NEVER been a reliable kick from > 45m and usually puts a huige hook on the ball to get the distance.
My point wasn't to start a pissing comp about who is technically (with stats) the marginally better kick.
It was to say that all three have their issues with kicking, yet it seems to be Lance who is copping it........but people will always find a reason to grind their axe.
Lance has kicked 19 goals 16 this year and in the last 3 games has kicked 4 goals 9 and not made the distance a number of times that a league footballer should. Probable done it more in those 3 games than Fisher or Waite has all season.
Fisher 39 goals 15.
Waite 28 goals 15.
OOF........fall short?
Where's your stats?
Cant recall Fisher not making the distance from 45m out 3 or 4 times in a game
He knows his distance and usually passes from 50m out or sets it up to the top of the square.
and then kicking out on the full. Fisher is not a long kick but is reliable if a little ungainly and I would back him from 45m out over Lance anyday of the week and same for Waite.
This year, with two guys injury free............gee.....your brave.:rolleyes:
The way Kennedy sails them through from 45m out in comparison is embarassing for Lance really. His time has passed.
No doubt JK is starting to deliver, but I could equally say the same thing about his marking ability vs Lance...........and the pissing continues.:cool:
.......and the point remains on the wall behind you about 6 inches above your head.
serenityNow
2 Sep 2007, 23:45
I can understand you wanting to get rid of Whitnall but pull your abusive head in. He is Carlton's captain, a son of a former great, a champion player from years gone by who has mostly done his best for the jumper.
And you sit there and call him an idiot???
Give me a break.
His an idiot because he has had chance after chance to get his weight right his been supported during his form slumps and his continual fitness issues. Also been given the captaincy but that didnt seem to mean much to him. You cant say "well he came good at seasons end so lets keep him" His contract was up and he knew he had to lose the weight and put in to get another. For petes sake today there was No Fisher No Fev ( a depleted demons back half)and he still didnt kick a bag. Eddie who made the most out of our depleted forward today kicked 4 Jk also showed some promise. Bring those guys back in 100% fit next year and lance contributes NOTHING.
He must go the club has to make a stand.
I would take anything for him and give stevo ( who should of got it this year) the Captaincy.
This year you'd be right.
Both Waite and Fisher have improved, while Lance has lost some penetration......but has NEVER been a reliable kick from > 45m and usually puts a huige hook on the ball to get the distance.
My point wasn't to start a pissing comp about who is technically (with stats) the marginally better kick.
It was to say that all three have their issues with kicking, yet it seems to be Lance who is copping it........but people will always find a reason to grind their axe.
OOF........fall short?
Where's your stats?
He knows his distance and usually passes from 50m out or sets it up to the top of the square.
This year, with two guys injury free............gee.....your brave.:rolleyes:
No doubt JK is starting to deliver, but I could equally say the same thing about his marking ability vs Lance...........and the pissing continues.:cool:
.......and the point remains on the wall behind you about 6 inches above your head.
The point is that Lance is unable to kick with any sort of penetration. That inclused field kicking and fgor goal. Its not 1 kick or 1 game but 3 where his kicking has been abysmal. 30 or 40 kicks and maybe 5 spun correctly and he actually hit them okay.
His legs are much smaller and he is unable to plant his left leg and get any sort of momentum through the ball and swing his leg through.
He might be a lot lighter but he is still unable to run the required kms to play CHF and Kennedy leaves him for dead with that. Lance wont chase and has barely layed a tackle all year which is again something that Kennedy will do.
I could provide stats if you like?
Waite can play either end and is not the most reliable player but his kicking has a long way to go but is on another planet to Lances based on the last 3 games.
You are the one who started the pissing contest really. It seems you think that talking about Lances inability to kick now is some sort of biased view. I think you are not watching the games close enough. Must be close to 20 shots for goals inside the F50 and has turned into 4 goals only and is unacceptable. Lance provides little else other than goals and is not setting any up. Did he even pass off to anyone today? He is not putting any pressure on the defenders and is a mark and kick player only nowadays who has to camp inside the F50 and wait for delivery.
Something Waite, Fisher and even an improving Kennedy do not have to. They will venture up the ground and meet the ball or put some pressure on the defenders once the ball hits the ground.
what people dont realise is that when you lose a lot of weight fast you are also losing muscle. ok he was fat but also you cannot lose that much weight that fast and expect everything to be the same!
he would have lost a bit of muscle and therefore his kicking has been affected!
if he can stay this weight from now on he will build the required muscle and kicking will improve!
wow, 17 possessions, 8 marks, 1.4 and people are bagging him? Just imagine if he hardly touched it