View Full Version : Who do we draft then?
james Dean
2 Sep 2007, 20:52
Pick 1 - Kreuzer
Pick 3 - Masten/Ebert/Palmer??? Cotchin if available? A KPP?
I haven't payed much attention to this years' draft because apparently it is pretty weak, so who do we go for... Is Kreuzer the best available player because I've heard he can often get beaten in hitouts, besides Hammer looked pretty good today
my ideal would be
Kreuzer @ 1
Cotchin @ 3
dont think Richmond will pass on Cotchin so it may end up like this
Kreuzer @ 1
Masten @ 3
(i will probably change my mind to Palmer at 3 then back to Masten then to Morton then to Masten ..... etc)
There has been some serious arguing on this board about wining and losing recently, now the 'who do we draft' arguments are about to kick in.
wish that WA Fijian Ruckman was a few days older. He looks a freak
james Dean
2 Sep 2007, 21:09
wish that WA Fijian Ruckman was a few days older. He looks a freak
Well maybe we can tank again next season to get hiim, surely you will all have no problem with that
walkers a legend
2 Sep 2007, 21:52
pick 1 kreuzer
pick 3 morton if available
my ideal would be
Kreuzer @ 1
Cotchin @ 3
dont think Richmond will pass on Cotchin so it may end up like this
..
That would be ideal, but unlikely. :)
TheGeneral
2 Sep 2007, 22:16
Do we really need a player like Palmer if the club thinks Benjamin(6'2" and lightning quick) can be the goal kicker we need?
A class inside mid like Masten wouldn't be a bad get if we think players like Benjamin, Walker, Grigg, Russell and Murphy will take the next step next year.
I'd disgrace myself if Cotchin was available at pick three. :o
marcmurphy3
2 Sep 2007, 22:39
Benji has shown very little in the VFL to suggest that he will make it. Palmer is a completely diferent type of player anyway.
bluegal1983
2 Sep 2007, 22:45
I saw the Knights play yesterday for the first time and I was very impressed with Trent Cotchin.
Reads the play well, pace, shows great awareness and his use of the ball is sublime.
Kreuzer was good but apparently not as good as he has been previously....
Another player that got my attention was Veszpremi. Played up forward, good hands and is a thumping kick.
Carlton will take Kreuzer because they couldn't not take him after all the hype. I just pray to God that Richmond pass on Cotch and we snag him with our third pick :)
marcmurphy3
2 Sep 2007, 22:52
I saw the Knights play yesterday for the first time and I was very impressed with Trent Cotchin.
Reads the play well, pace, shows great awareness and his use of the ball is sublime.
Kreuzer was good but apparently not as good as he has been previously....
Another player that got my attention was Veszpremi. Played up forward, good hands and is a thumping kick.
Carlton will take Kreuzer because they couldn't not take him after all the hype. I just pray to God that Richmond pass on Cotch and we snag him with our third pick :)
I'd actually prefer Cotchin to Kreuzer but I think we will take Kruez after all the hype.
I'm also a big fan of Veszpremi and have heard a couple of times that we have shown interest. I'd be thrilled if we got him with our second rounder.
I keep jumping all over the place, but considering the club have come out and said that they will be looking at mids this year, I would imagine that would rule Morton out at 3. So, if that is the case, I would still take Kreuzer.
That gives us a ruck duo of Hampson/Kreuzer in the next few years, with Aisake as back up, and even Carlos to back those 3 guys up. We just have so many 190cm+ on our list, that even though Morton is so good, we'd have to look at a mid at 3.
My choice of mids at 3 would be: Cotchin/Palmer/Masten, with very very little between Palmer and Masten. Very very little!
marcmurphy3
2 Sep 2007, 23:01
I keep jumping all over the place, but considering the club have come out and said that they will be looking at mids this year, I would imagine that would rule Morton out at 3. So, if that is the case, I would still take Kreuzer.
That gives us a ruck duo of Hampson/Kreuzer in the next few years, with Aisake as back up, and even Carlos to back those 3 guys up. We just have so many 190cm+ on our list, that even though Morton is so good, we'd have to look at a mid at 3.
My choice of mids at 3 would be: Cotchin/Palmer/Masten, with very very little between Palmer and Masten. Very very little!
Do you rate Ebert?
Do you rate Ebert?
Just haven't seen enough of him murph. And, to make matters worse, he was in a pretty weak SA team, and didn't have a huge influence over the game I did see him in down at Casey Fields.
Perhaps if we didn't have Gibbs I would look at him, however, there are better players at 1 & 3 IMO, and he won't be around at 20.
trueblue_91
2 Sep 2007, 23:06
Just haven't seen enough of him murph. And, to make matters worse, he was in a pretty weak SA team, and didn't have a huge influence over the game I did see him in down at Casey Fields.
Perhaps if we didn't have Gibbs I would look at him, however, there are better players at 1 & 3 IMO, and he won't be around at 20.
HBF i was looking at some highlights from the carnival, and Palmer looks like a gun... what are your thoughts on him?
TheGeneral
2 Sep 2007, 23:13
Benji has shown very little in the VFL to suggest that he will make it.
He's had an injury interrupted year and your call is premature.
Palmer is a completely diferent type of player anyway.
I never said Benjamin was a midfielder.
I haven't seen much of CB, but he could be running be the goal kicking wingman the side needs. I think he'd leave both Daveys for dead in a sprint and would be off before they knew it if he's as quick as they say.
Free Willy
2 Sep 2007, 23:19
Who we pick with 20 & 36 will be crucial...........
lets not get it wrong.
1. Kreuzer
3. Cotchin
19. Veszpremi
??
marcmurphy3
2 Sep 2007, 23:24
;8616275']1. Kreuzer
3. Cotchin
19. Veszpremi
??
That is my dream draft as I wrote a couple of days ago. I would cry with joy if that happened.
Gilly1972
2 Sep 2007, 23:32
Apparently somebody very wise in recruiting circles said don't make up your mind on players too early. I want to wait for TAC finals and draft camp....but i'm going to upset the apple cart a little, if we think that Cotchin is a class above the other mids amongst his peers (I certainly do) and I don't rate ruckmen as much as an A-grade midfield and given we have Hammo/Aisake/Setanta as a future ruck combo, then I am tossing about the idea of:
#1 - Car - Cotchin
#2 - Ric - Kreuzer
#3 - Car - McEvoy
McEvoy (199cm, Murray Bushrangers) kicked 7 today. He isn't as good as big Kreuz around the ground and with the 1%ers, but is excellent overhead and marks everything that comes his way.
Just another scenario to keep in mind.
doh its me
2 Sep 2007, 23:32
Cotch @ 3 seems optomistic
I say we back Hammer and Aisake
1 - Cotchin
3 - Masten (need a gun extractor)
19 - Maric
2 gun mids and a gun midsized forward
trueblue_91
2 Sep 2007, 23:33
What are peoples thoughts on Palmer?
He looks like a gun
Jeremias
2 Sep 2007, 23:39
IMO, the ideal situation:
1: Kruezer
3. Cotchin
But I won't be too upset if we get:
1. Kruezer
3. Palmer
Whatever happens, I am convinced that a loss tonight was exactly what we need, and I'm glad it happened.
We now have the opportunity to get 2 of the best 3 young talents in the country. We will get a combination of 2 of Kruezer, Cotchin, Morton, Palmer and Masten. I'm not sure which way we should go, but having seen all 5 of the above, I am convinced that at the end of the day we will end up with 2 more players of excellent quality.
Jeremias
2 Sep 2007, 23:42
What are peoples thoughts on Palmer?
He looks like a gun
He IS a gun.
Pacy midfielder with plenty of skill, aggression, confidence and poise, and he is a goal kicker.
He is exactly what we need, but having said that, every player in the top 5 is exactly what we need. This period leading up to and including draft day will be incredibly interesting. I sure as hell know I wouldn't want to be the one having to make the choice of who to take. I just can't decide.
Dream Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Cothcin
19 Masten/Palmer
Likely Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Masten
19 KPP
He IS a gun.
Pacy midfielder with plenty of skill, aggression, confidence and poise, and he is a goal kicker.
He is exactly what we need, but having said that, every player in the top 5 is exactly what we need. This period leading up to and including draft day will be incredibly interesting. I sure as hell know I wouldn't want to be the one having to make the choice of who to take. I just can't decide.
I wouldnt mind Palmer, think he is exactly what we need. But, I heard (someone correct me if incorrect) that his footskills have a question mark over them... I want us to draft players with sublime footskills because our skills are what let us down the most IMO, that's why Morton seems a good prospect.....
Jeremias
2 Sep 2007, 23:46
Dream Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Cothcin
19 Masten/Palmer
Oh. My. God.
If that was to happen, I would be the happiest man alive. I don't know what I would do :eek: :D
However, in saying that, there's no chance of it happening.
Western Blue
2 Sep 2007, 23:49
What are peoples thoughts on Palmer?
He looks like a gun
I've seen this kid the past 3 weeks at senior level at East Freo, he's my choice for pick 3, very composed player and importantly a goalkicker, not sure why people are rating Masten ahead of him.
I have him ahead of Morton also, as i think he's a better fit for the Blues.
Dream Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Cothcin
19 Masten/Palmer
Likely Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Masten
19 KPP
Pick 1 Kreuzer
pick 3 cotchin
Pick 19 Lachlen Henderson or Alex Rance
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 00:02
Pick 1 Kreuzer
pick 3 cotchin
Pick 19 Lachlen Henderson or Alex Rance
Good luck with that too :o
marcmurphy3
3 Sep 2007, 00:07
I've seen this kid the past 3 weeks at senior level at East Freo, he's my choice for pick 3, very composed player and importantly a goalkicker, not sure why people are rating Masten ahead of him.
I have him ahead of Morton also, as i think he's a better fit for the Blues.
His kicking looked a bit awkward at the champs. Is he generally damaging and accurate by foot? Does he make good decisions with the ball?
Good luck with that too :o
I think we need another Eddie Betts type. Maybe a Rioli and there is kid in SA named Austin Wonaerri - incorrect spelling. Heard he is a dynamite in the forward pocket lightning speed.
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 00:16
I think we need another Eddie Betts type. Maybe a Rioli and there is kid in SA named Austin Wonaerri - incorrect spelling. Heard he is a dynamite in the forward pocket lightning speed.
I prefer Cruize Garlett, silky sublime skills.....but I don't think we need another Eddie......a 6 foot goal kicking HF/mid would do.
Western Blue
3 Sep 2007, 00:22
His kicking looked a bit awkward at the champs. Is he generally damaging and accurate by foot? Does he make good decisions with the ball?
Uses the ball very well, and appears to have plenty of time when using it.
Really think he would compliment our young midfield, plus he's a leftie which offers up variety.
I prefer Cruize Garlett, silky sublime skills.....but I don't think we need another Eddie......a 6 foot goal kicking HF/mid would do.
Rhys Palmer, come on down.
XXX KINGS
3 Sep 2007, 00:38
Greenwood.
XXX KINGS
3 Sep 2007, 00:39
Greenwood.
Who?
XXX KINGS
3 Sep 2007, 00:39
Who?
Greenwood
big_bad_blue
3 Sep 2007, 00:43
Lets LOAD up our midfield :cool:
Lets have the best midfield in the comp
so I would pick up the best 2 mids (based on getting and using the ball - goal kicker +++ :D)
We have some talls that should be able to do the job:thumbsu:
Don't think it will happen though (although rats does love a midfielder)
Lets LOAD up our midfield :cool:
Lets have the best midfield in the comp
so I would pick up the best 2 mids (based on getting and using the ball - goal kicker +++ :D)
We have some talls that should be able to do the job:thumbsu:
Don't think it will happen though (although rats does love a midfielder)
We're getting very close to that bbb.
Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson and Stevens
marcmurphy3
3 Sep 2007, 00:54
We're getting very close to that bbb.
Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson and Stevens
Cotchin/Palmer :D
big_bad_blue
3 Sep 2007, 01:05
Cotchin/Palmer :D
ahummm :)
Carrots too. Just think we have some talls that can do a good job. Not saying that Kreuzer isn't going to be amazing I never seen him but i personally rate a GUN midfield
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 01:10
Rhys Palmer, come on down.
HBF, I don't think we were talking about Wonemmari or Garlett at #3 you great buffoon, you have palmer on the brain :p
marcmurphy3
3 Sep 2007, 01:11
ahummm :)
Carrots too. Just think we have some talls that can do a good job. Not saying that Kreuzer isn't going to be amazing I never seen him but i personally rate a GUN midfield
Me too.
XXX KINGS
3 Sep 2007, 01:16
HBF, I don't think we were talking about Wonemmari or Garlett at #3 you great buffoon, you have palmer on the brain :p
You love Greenwood.
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 01:18
You love Greenwood.
Greenwood is the next jordan lewis :p I love Grigga!!!!
XXX KINGS
3 Sep 2007, 01:22
Greenwood is the next jordan lewis :p I love Grigga!!!!
No, I love Grigg.
Seriously, I like live in Grigg's garbage bin. He is good to stalk because we have similar things in common like sport and Carlton. :D
I kid, I kid....
Or do I?
Blue Dawn
3 Sep 2007, 02:05
1. Kreuzer
3. Cotchin (if avail) or Palmer :thumbsu:
chunk_master
3 Sep 2007, 02:32
u'll probly take some duds so u dont improve and u can tank all next season and then get the fijian bloke
scorpion2466
3 Sep 2007, 02:33
I think it will be hard to pass on Kruezer. Good big men are hard to get. Love to get Cotchin but if we can't we go for another class mid.
TheGeneral
3 Sep 2007, 02:52
u'll probly take some duds so u dont improve and u can tank all next season and then get the fijian bloke
Hopefully you complete grade two in that time frame and learn to read the sticky at the top of this thread.
TheGeneral
3 Sep 2007, 02:58
Who we pick with 20 & 36 will be crucial...........
lets not get it wrong.
Agreed.
I'm hoping for Veszpremi at 20 who sounds like he has the kicking skills we need, but I have no idea what type of player would be available at pick 36.
Midfielder, small forward or a small defender? :confused:
Hopefully someone with legspeed.
Marlon Motlop?
Oh. My. God.
If that was to happen, I would be the happiest man alive. I don't know what I would do :eek: :D
However, in saying that, there's no chance of it happening.
If we could get that... I would need to be alone in the bathroom for a couple of hours...
That said... If we do go with Kreuzer at #1, and Cotchin does go at #2 like predicted, then I would have to go with Masten at #3 because I feel that in a couple of years, he would be a direct replacement for Stevo in the centre. with the addition that he is an in and under midfielder.
Just the type of person we really need right now
u'll probly take some duds so u dont improve and u can tank all next season and then get the fijian bloke
Next time we want an opinion off a filth supporter we'll fart thank you very much...
Honestly... I think that it should be collingwood that moves to Tassie...
They have the perfect supporters and would fit right in there... The AWG can move to Melbourne... would be a fair trade really :D
Aussie Joe
3 Sep 2007, 05:26
I was some what torn about Kruezer.
Here I see that Aisake and Hammer have so much potential. Do we really need Kruezer, and shouldn't we just go for the two best midfielders in the draft?
But, then I realize that Kruezer has the potential to be much more than just a tap ruckman. I see him floating the HB or HF line with his run, pace and height ALA Kouta.
To try and see teams match up on Kruezer, Aisake and Hammer gets me truely excited.
Aussie Joe
3 Sep 2007, 05:28
u'll probly take some duds so u dont improve and u can tank all next season and then get the fijian bloke
LMAO !!
With Kruezer, Aisake and Hampson on board with the Blues, we will let you tank for him ;)
BluesRules
3 Sep 2007, 10:29
my ideal would be
Kreuzer @ 1
Cotchin @ 3
dont think Richmond will pass on Cotchin so it may end up like this
Kreuzer @ 1
Masten @ 3
(i will probably change my mind to Palmer at 3 then back to Masten then to Morton then to Masten ..... etc)
Morton>>>>>Ebert>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Masten
BluesRules
3 Sep 2007, 10:30
Well maybe we can tank again next season to get hiim, surely you will all have no problem with that
I have started already:D
AndyWalkersGirl
3 Sep 2007, 10:32
Ratts has said a few weeks ago that a ruckman is what we will be after. They went for a mid at pick one last year, overlooking Leuny, I doubt very much they will do that again this year.
You can lock in Kruezer at 1. No doubt about it.
BluesRules
3 Sep 2007, 10:32
That would be ideal, but unlikely. :)
How great would it be, but im happy with Morton or Ebert, but not Masten. How many midgets do we need
BluesRules
3 Sep 2007, 10:34
I'd actually prefer Cotchin to Kreuzer but I think we will take Kruez after all the hype.
I'm also a big fan of Veszpremi and have heard a couple of times that we have shown interest. I'd be thrilled if we got him with our second rounder.
Imagine Kreuzer, Cotchin and Veszpremi
BluesRules
3 Sep 2007, 10:37
Dream Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Cothcin
19 Masten/Palmer
Likely Draft
1 Kreuzer
3 Masten
19 KPP
They would never fall that low.
If i was just picking based on need here's the type of player I would like to pick up with each pick:
Pick 1: Quick, highly skilled midfielder/half forward flank
Pick 3: Tallish hard nut inside midfielder/extractor with great skills
Pick 19: Athletic key position player
I'm not qualified to give an accurate assessment of who the best kids are at each pick and I'm not going to pretend I do.
AndyWalkersGirl
3 Sep 2007, 10:52
Well Ratten has stated on a few times that he wants us to go after a ruckman, and a tall running midfielder.
So
1. Ruckman.
3. gandaal's 'Tallish hard nut inside midfielder/extractor with great skills'
20. KPP
jumpinjimmy
3 Sep 2007, 10:53
I just pray to God that Richmond pass on Cotch and we snag him with our third pick :) Will not....I repeat ....will not happen. He is a Tigers supporter and has been a guest of the club several times this year. The only way Carlton will get Cotchin is to take him with No 1. Enjoy the quandary:)
Will not....I repeat ....will not happen. He is a Tigers supporter and has been a guest of the club several times this year. The only way Carlton will get Cotchin is to take him with No 1. Enjoy the quandary:)
Oh its a shocking situation to be in - Picks 1&3 makes our life so difficult. Cotchin is a gun, there is no doubt about it, but there is only one 200cm gun in this draft and he will be a blue. I would be quite happy with morton,palmer,masten with pick 3. Do you think cotchin will have the same impact as tambling?:)
Master of Cooks
3 Sep 2007, 11:58
#1 Kreuzer
#3 Palmer
#19 Rioli/or KPP (Defender)
Well Ratten has stated on a few times that he wants us to go after a ruckman, and a tall running midfielder.
Are you sure he wasn't talking about getting an established ruckman from another club?
Because that's the way I interpreted his comments.
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 12:08
Will not....I repeat ....will not happen. He is a Tigers supporter and has been a guest of the club several times this year. The only way Carlton will get Cotchin is to take him with No 1. Enjoy the quandary:)
Not according to my information, he follows Geelong.
AndyWalkersGirl
3 Sep 2007, 12:23
Are you sure he wasn't talking about getting an established ruckman from another club?
Because that's the way I interpreted his comments.
Not sure what he meant. Initially i thought about him going after a ruckman from another club, but then surely, he won't go past Kruezer with pick 1? And possibly pick up a ruckman in the pre-season draft?
Could be curtains for Ackland perhaps?
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 12:27
Not sure what he meant. Initially i thought about him going after a ruckman from another club, but then surely, he won't go past Kruezer with pick 1? And possibly pick up a ruckman in the pre-season draft?
Could be curtains for Ackland perhaps?
AWG, why do you say surely he won't go past Kreuzer at pick 1?? Media hype?? I know you haven't seen them so how can you say this with any authority?? If you saw Cotchin play last weekend I can guarantee you that you wouldn't be so sure. If we don't trade Fev, then Cotchin would quickly pass Murph as Fev's favourite.....I lost count of how many times Cotchin hit the Knights FF lace out off both feet.
AndyWalkersGirl
3 Sep 2007, 12:36
AWG, why do you say surely he won't go past Kreuzer at pick 1?? Media hype?? I know you haven't seen them so how can you say this with any authority?? If you saw Cotchin play last weekend I can guarantee you that you wouldn't be so sure. If we don't trade Fev, then Cotchin would quickly pass Murph as Fev's favourite.....I lost count of how many times Cotchin hit the Knights FF lace out off both feet.
The point is, i dont know. No one does.
All I said was that Ratts has said a few times he will be wanting to go after a Ruckman. Based on that, I assumed that he (Surely - based on what Ratts has said) would be going after Kruezer.
Geez you're touchy on your draft topics Gilly! :D How can i say it with any authority? I can't, and I didn't:eek::confused: I know you love CotchyWotchy Gilly, both sound like they will be superstars wherever they go, but I was just relaying my thoughts based on what Ratts has said.
bluegal1983
3 Sep 2007, 13:07
Will not....I repeat ....will not happen. He is a Tigers supporter and has been a guest of the club several times this year. The only way Carlton will get Cotchin is to take him with No 1. Enjoy the quandary:)
I heard he was a Geelong supporter...
The Old Dark Navy's
3 Sep 2007, 13:12
u'll probly take some duds so u dont improve and u can tank all next season and then get the fijian blokeWill you still be posting here then? Touch and go.
blues2010
3 Sep 2007, 13:17
Will not....I repeat ....will not happen. He is a Tigers supporter and has been a guest of the club several times this year. The only way Carlton will get Cotchin is to take him with No 1. Enjoy the quandary:)
He is a Geelong supporter. Don't know where that one came from. Why do people post on here that something is a fact when they are not sure and have it wrong anyway
*VInSaiN*
3 Sep 2007, 14:05
What about the other Selwood brother? Is he available for selection this year? Last reports he was going to be the best of them all. If he is only half as good as Joel I'd be more than happy to pick him up.
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 14:09
What about the other Selwood brother? Is he available for selection this year? Last reports he was going to be the best of them all. If he is only half as good as Joel I'd be more than happy to pick him up.
Not as good as Joel, a bit on the slowish side, broke his leg 2 weeks ago.
Not as good as Joel, a bit on the slowish side, broke his leg 2 weeks ago.
as good as Adam or Troy??
Gilly1972
3 Sep 2007, 15:20
as good as Adam or Troy??
I wasn't following it when they were juniors, but watching them now I would say that Scooter will probably play a similar style and quality to the other brothers.
Well maybe we can tank again next season to get hiim, surely you will all have no problem with that
All i said was he looked good.Thanks for your imput though, really well said
Morton>>>>>Ebert>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Masten
And why is that ?
TheHeatleyStand
3 Sep 2007, 23:01
Youd like Morton kicking to Fev wouldnt you???
And kicking it over the first line...
I like the idea of a guy who can kick big distances very accurately...
Youd like Morton kicking to Fev wouldnt you???
And kicking it over the first line...
I like the idea of a guy who can kick big distances very accurately...
Mortons a great talent but I'd rather someone explain why than use this>>>>>>all the time.
ha awesome name
"thought i was a donut, ya tried to glaze me"
really dont mind who we draft. I havent seen any of these kids play, so all ive got to go on is other peoples reports. Like what ive heard about both Kruezer on Cotchin
XXX KINGS
4 Sep 2007, 00:20
Levi Greenwood
Youd like Morton kicking to Fev wouldnt you???
And kicking it over the first line...
I like the idea of a guy who can kick big distances very accurately...
How about this then?
Morton from defensive 50, kicks a bullet to Gibbs on the wing that hits him lace out. Gibbs, takes a bounce, then sticks it down Fev's throat 30 out right in front.
The Grover
4 Sep 2007, 14:08
I was some what torn about Kruezer.
Here I see that Aisake and Hammer have so much potential. Do we really need Kruezer, and shouldn't we just go for the two best midfielders in the draft?
But, then I realize that Kruezer has the potential to be much more than just a tap ruckman. I see him floating the HB or HF line with his run, pace and height ALA Kouta.
To try and see teams match up on Kruezer, Aisake and Hammer gets me truely excited.
Yeah he could be played forward or back like Petrie from Kangas, although hopefully better than him(not bagging Petrie who is a very good player).
Levi Greenwood
aside from the fact that he just simply doesn't have the class to be taken where we have picks, I can't see WH changing his recruiting philosophy to accomodate the bullocking plodder types