Are we turning into Richmond?

[angus6]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22351790%255E19742,00.html

When will people learn and just move on :mad:

[Smyth94]

The group is not asking for the return of sacked coach Kevin Sheedy, which was its original agenda, but is asking that he remain employed by the club in a marketing role.

Have they ever thought that perhaps Sheedy doesn't want to hang around Essendon at the moment?

[Longy413]

Have they ever thought that perhaps Sheedy doesn't want to hang around Essendon at the moment?

Didn't you know it's not about Sheeds.

It's about doing what these people define as best for the club, unfortunately it appears they are only thinking of their own emotions.

We're not turning into Richmond because this group doesn't hold any weight.

They're embarrassing, sure. But they are a faceless group without a leader and I can't see them achieving anything.

[dapto]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22351790%255E19742,00.html

When will people learn and just move on :mad:


could not agree more. Its finished.

Sheedy would be a hinderance at any club if he was not coach more so at Essendon, his capacities are now limited to the AFL or the media. This action is what the Essendon football Club is NOT about. Instability.

[ant555]

They are up to plan number 5 now. If they seriously think a new coach can be allowed to operate at his best with Sheedy in the background then they are kidding themselves. It will end up being like Pagan trying to hold the group together with Kernahan working the other way in the background.
So far they have thrown up keeping Sheedy for another two years before moving onto Sheedy for one year with Hirdy taking over (too bad they didnt ask Hird what he wanted to do). Then once that was shot down it was Kevin mentoring someone else until Sheeds came out and said that wasnt going to happen. Then we move on to big Ray and Jackson.And now they are demanding a position for Sheedy at the club.
All of this without ever really putting up any canditdates or many names who are driving it.

[TheMagicRat]

I do not support this group 1 little bit, i think they should really be called 'Destroy Essendon' rather than Save Essendon. However in the unlikely event they succeed and remove Peter Jackson, who do they honestly think would be a good CEO for our club. As far as I can tell there is only one man in footy qualified for this job. That man is Stephen Trigg the Crows CEO. This man is one of the most intelligent football administrators going around. If any of you save Essendon whack jobs are reading this, if you win (ps over my dead, decaying corps), do whatever is needed to get this man!!!!!!!

[understudy]

If I was an Essendon member Id support the removal of Jackson and Horsborough, they have absolutely botched this season and are setting the club up on a road to nowhere.

Essendon need to get competent board members and administrators in place ASAP.

[Longy413]

If I was an Essendon member Id support the removal of Jackson and Horsborough, they have absolutely botched this season and are setting the club up on a road to nowhere.

Essendon need to get competent board members and administrators in place ASAP.

Yep, you're spot on.

We want an admin in place that can oversee the improvement of the club and football department. An improvement in the vacinity of 6-7 wins would be ideal.

[understudy]

Yep, you're spot on.

We want an admin in place that can oversee the improvement of the club and football department. An improvement in the vacinity of 6-7 wins would be ideal.

I'd say a board and admin that delivers a flag not three consecutive bottom eight finishes is what you are after.

The bottom eight finishes are not a massive concern per se if the rebuild put in place is likely to bear fruit, but at this stage I dont see that happening in the foreseeable future.

[Faz 2000]

Take it from a fan from a team that's juuuuuust about ripped itself apart, the club needs to get the supporters, officials and leaders on the same page quickly. Having the fans rise up and cause trouble every time they don't like a decision is a recipe for disaster. I think these people are absolutely clowns for protesting Sheedy's sacking - it was going to happen some time, folks, way to NOT deal with it.

[Longy413]

I'd say a board and admin that delivers a flag not three consecutive bottom eight finishes is what you are after.


See, this is what Merv Neagle was highlighting when he pointed out you offer up inaccuracies.

This board has only been in place for 10 months.
They've made changes and put a plan in place because of the lack of success.

They're not actually just sitting on their hands and waiting for things to unfold. They've gone in, developed a plan and have began implementing it.

at this stage I dont see that happening in the foreseeable future.

Well it's just as well we are all comfortable with the fact you know little about the game.

[understudy]

See, this is what Merv Neagle was highlighting when he pointed out you offer up inaccuracies.

This board has only been in place for 10 months.
They've made changes and put a plan in place because of the lack of success.

They're not actually just sitting on their hands and waiting for things to unfold. They've gone in, developed a plan and have began implementing it.



Well it's just as well we are all comfortable with the fact you know little about the game.

Plans are great mate but results are what counts. They havent even got a coach yet for crying out loud.

Fact is Peter Jackson runs your club, has been there for an eternity and has overseen your clubs lack of success over the last three years !

[Longy413]

Plans are great mate but delivering on promises is what counts. They havent even got a coach yet for crying out loud.

We were critisised when we panicked and outed Sheedy and probably rightly so.

Now you want us to panic again and announce a coach?

Dean Bailey and Brett Ratten were never options at Essendon.

Mark Harvey will be interviewed this week. We have the whole field to choose from, the coach will be named in due course. We're no longer in the position where we will miss out on someone.

They have delivered on promises, they promised they wouldn't accept mediocrity and non-finals finishes. They promised we would improve and play young players. They promised that more resources would be given to recruiting and the football department.

All of that has happened and we've gone from 3 wins to 10.

Peter Jackson runs your club and hes been there for an eternity !

And he's a damn good business man and one of the best CEO's in the AFL.

PJ is not the problem, but he can be part of the solution. But that won't be decided until the new coach is selected and how much input PJ has on footy decisions moving forward.

[Samuri Pizza Cat]

nah not turning into richmond, you are already the new richmond. hahaha

[understudy]

We were critisised when we panicked and outed Sheedy and probably rightly so.

Now you want us to panic again and announce a coach?

Dean Bailey and Brett Ratten were never options at Essendon.

Mark Harvey will be interviewed this week. We have the whole field to choose from, the coach will be named in due course. We're no longer in the position where we will miss out on someone.

They have delivered on promises, they promised they wouldn't accept mediocrity and non-finals finishes. They promised we would improve and play young players. They promised that more resources would be given to recruiting and the football department.

All of that has happened and we've gone from 3 wins to 10.

And he's a damn good business man and one of the best CEO's in the AFL.

PJ is not the problem, but he can be part of the solution. But that won't be decided until the new coach is selected and how much input PJ has on footy decisions moving forward.

What I mean by delivering on promises is securing your next flag which is presumably what you are all about. They are now promising to correct mistakes they never should have made in the first place. They are miles behind the competition and it will take years to catch up.

Clubs that missed the finals are planning for 2008 now, every day you delay appointing your coach puts you behind the competition imo.

What does PJ know about football ? What has he done at Essendon in recent years ?

Overseen a club thats missed the last three finals series thats what and not increased spending where it was vitally needed.

He may have been a good CEO but time certainly seems to have passed him by.

[Daytripper]

What I mean by delivering on promises is securing your next flag which is presumably what you are all about. They are now promising to correct mistakes they never should have made in the first place. They are miles behind the competition and it will take years to catch up.

Clubs that missed the finals are planning for 2008 now, every day you delay appointing your coach puts you behind the competition imo.

What does PJ know about football ? What has he done at Essendon in recent years ?

Overseen a club thats missed the last three finals series thats what and not increased spending where it was vitally needed.

I may have been a good CEO but time certainly seems to have passed him by.

CEO's don't have to know about football.
Their job is to run a business.

Have you seen the budgets for 04,05,06 and 07. Please advise us what monies have not been spent where and with the figures involved.

Most clubs will say that the coach has little input into draft selections. Thats the job of the recruiting officer so the lack of a coach at present is not that much of a hindarance.

Also any new prospective coach would I assume present to the board his plans for the future - who to delist, who to look to trade, what positions need to be filled. They will come to the club fully prepared.

Miles behind the competition !!!

I'm sorry, you really don't have a clue. Its just pure guesswork on your behalf as you look on from afar.

[Longy413]

What I mean by delivering on promises is securing your next flag which is presumably what you are all about.

Because flags are easy to win. It happens over night.
You just snap your fingers and it gets delivered.

We're not talking about a pizza.

They are now promising to correct mistakes they never should have made in the first place.

What mistakes?

They are miles behind the competition and it will take years to catch up.

In what areas?

Clubs that missed the finals are planning for 2008 now

I take it coaches, football department staff, recruiting staff, fitness staff, players all went on holidays as of 5pm Saturday then...

What does PJ know about football ?

I don't know, probably not much.
Perhaps that's why we're using external resources to hire a coach.

What has he done at Essendon in recent years ?

Apart from implementing a business plan that has seen Essendon remain a financial powerhouse despite bottom four finishes.

And implementing a business plan that has seen Essendon become the ONLY club in the AFL to have their membership grow beyond that of population growth.

and not increased spending where it was vitally needed.

Here's these inaccuracies sneaking in again.

I may have been a good CEO but time certainly seems to have passed him by.

Our business development practices says otherwise.

[understudy]

CEO's don't have to know about football.
Their job is to run a business.

Have you seen the budgets for 04,05,06 and 07. Please advise us what monies have not been spent where and with the figures involved.

Most clubs will say that the coach has little input into draft selections. Thats the job of the recruiting officer so the lack of a coach at present is not that much of a hindarance.

Also any new prospective coach would I assume present to the board his plans for the future - who to delist, who to look to trade, what positions need to be filled. They will come to the club fully prepared.

Miles behind the competition !!!

I'm sorry, you really don't have a clue. Its just pure guesswork on your behalf as you look on from afar.

The business is football.

Greg Swan knows football.

Gary Pert knows football.

PJ sacked sheedy but hasnt lined up a replacement ?

PJ doesnt have any footy nous or knowledge.

There is little if any footy knowledge on the Essendon board.

There appears little to no knowledge of football in the Essendon admin and board as a whole.

Its the blind leading the blind.

You should be trying to get Hird onto the board asap.

[understudy]

I don't know, probably not much.
Perhaps that's why we're using external resources to hire a coach.

Let me guess a HR firm lol

[kelvin_sheedy]

Plans are great mate but results are what counts. They havent even got a coach yet for crying out loud.

Fact is Peter Jackson runs your club, has been there for an eternity and has overseen your clubs lack of success over the last three years !

Maybe we should look at Eddie "No. 2" McGuire to run our club.

He's taken the Pies to second. He's taken channel 9 to second after the station was no. 1 for 30 years. ;)

Why don't you go and worry about your club and your board - the one that has rules for some and rules for others, drink driving, racism, bashing women, bikie gangs and generally portrays a culture that belongs in the gutter. :thumbsd:

[Longy413]

There is little if any footy knowledge on the Essendon board.

Again with the inaccuracies.

The Vice Chairman is a former EFC player and has experience working in professional sport in China and Australia.

McKissock has been an EFC official in some capacity or another since 1983.

Egan is an EFC Premiership player and has been an EFC and Sydney FC official.

Brown - EFC premiership player.

Epis - EFC Premiership player.

David Evans - Son of Ron, that family had a little to do with footy over his lifetime.

[Longy413]

Let me guess

See, there's your problem.

You're guessing.

Run away champ.

[understudy]

Again with the inaccuracies.

The Vice Chairman is a former EFC player and has experience working in professional sport in China and Australia.

McKissock has been an EFC official in some capacity or another since 1983.

Egan is an EFC Premiership player and has been an EFC and Sydney FC official.

Brown - EFC premiership player.

Epis - EFC Premiership player.

David Evans - Son of Ron, that family had a little to do with footy over his lifetime.

With due respect to these guys, they are not exactly at the cutting edge of todays modern day footy !

[kelvin_sheedy]

There is little if any footy knowledge in my feeble little brain


Edited for accuracy. :thumbsu:

[Longy413]

With due respect to these guys, they are not exactly at the cutting edge of todays modern day footy !

Ah, so now you're moving the goal posts.

Nice.

[understudy]

Ah, so now you're moving the goal posts.

Nice.

No it was what was implied from the very start, would of thought it was pretty obvious.

What surprises me is some of the posters disagreeing with me in here when Im sure Ive seen them complaining about a number of issues and things going on down there during the year, yet now seem to be suggesting everything is hunky dory.

Im not here to take pot shots just expressing concern about where things are at and the lack of action by the broader membership for accountability from the board.

[Lance Uppercut]

understudy you're copping a bit of a bath here mate :o

[Daytripper]

Collingwood Board members

Eddie McGuire (President)
Jack Kennedy (vice president)
Alex Waislitz
Sally Capp
Mark Korda
Ian McMullin

With all that lack of football experience you have to wonder how the club is even able to function. :rolleyes:

[Longy413]

Where did I say everything is hunky dory?

I'm aware of the issues confronting the club.
I'm aware of the issues.
I'm aware of the mistakes.

However, I've had the ability to explain those. Not make wild accusations.

I'm also of the belief the club made the right decision.

This is a new board, something that you have failed to recognised.
They aren't responsible, nor can they be made responsible for three years out of the finals.

They have inherited issues and they've gone about fixing them.

They've made one mistake, in that they didn't handle the impossible situation perfectly. But I'm happy to forgive them for that.

We've added resources to coaching, to recruiting and to administration and further resources are to be added.

New board, new coach and we've recruited more first year players the last four years than any club outside Hawthorn.

I know the facts, I'm comfortable with them. You're preaching nothing but inaccuracies and when you've been challenged to explain them you've been found wanting.

Give it up or I'll keep making you look silly.

[Merv]

No it was what was implied from the very start, would of thought it was pretty obvious.

What surprises me is some of the posters disagreeing with me in here when Im sure Ive seen them complaining about a number of issues and things going on down there during the year, yet now seem to be suggesting everything is hunky dory.

Im not here to take pot shots just expressing concern about where things are at and the lack of action by the broader membership for accountability from the board.

No what you are doing is making innacurate statements that when challenged you either don't answer or change what you were originally saying.

You have very little actual concern for us and our club and most of your posts on here are thinly veiled trolls.

This is not the place for that

[understudy]

understudy you're copping a bit of a bath here mate :o

How so mate, its your club thats been taking the bath to be honest lol

[understudy]

Where did I say everything is hunky dory?

I'm aware of the issues confronting the club.
I'm aware of the issues.
I'm aware of the mistakes.

However, I've had the ability to explain those. Not make wild accusations.

I'm also of the belief the club made the right decision.

This is a new board, something that you have failed to recognised.
They aren't responsible, nor can they be made responsible for three years out of the finals.

They have inherited issues and they've gone about fixing them.

They've made one mistake, in that they didn't handle the impossible situation perfectly. But I'm happy to forgive them for that.

We've added resources to coaching, to recruiting and to administration and further resources are to be added.

New board, new coach and we've recruited more first year players the last four years than any club outside Hawthorn.

I know the facts, I'm comfortable with them. You're preaching nothing but inaccuracies and when you've been challenged to explain them you've been found wanting.

Give it up or I'll keep making you look silly.

Cmon mate PJ has been there the whole time and is still firmly ensconsed.

I'm happy to continue the debate and am actually enjoyed it and hopeful I can make you guys see the light a bit but if you guys arent up for (ie continually labelling me a troll) happy to just let it be and agree to disagree.

[Longy413]

Cmon mate PJ has been there the whole time and is still firmly ensconsed.

He's only been on the board for 10 months.

I'm happy to continue the debate

Wouldn't that require you to answer the questions that have been asked of you?

hopeful I can make you guys see the light a bit

Ah, the I'm right and you're wrong attitude.
That's not a debate.

ie continually labelling me a troll

Haven't seen anyone call you a troll, just inaccurate, subjective and uneducated.

[understudy]

He's only been on the board for 10 months.

Wouldn't that require you to answer the questions that have been asked of you?

Ah, the I'm right and you're wrong attitude.
That's not a debate.

Haven't seen anyone call you a troll, just inaccurate, subjective and uneducated.

Hes been CEO for how long ?

Merv has been continually labelling me a troll.

[Longy413]

Hes been CEO for how long ?

He was there in 2000.

Any chance of you extending the courtesy now?

[Crave]

From my perspective, we're not in any hurry at the moment. Most positions have been filled and the season isnt over yet. Wouldnt want the club to be rushed into such a monumental decision over a coach.