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So Bentick ended up in the top 3 tacklers in the AFL for both average and total.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2007&rt=LA&st=TA
I count this as Bentick being in the elite for the important skill of tackling. I know he hasn't had the greatest second half of the season, but I am proud of what he has done with his tackling.
one_twelve112
3 Sep 2007, 15:21
Football has become so uncontested that the art of tackling has less and less importance in todays game.
Good effort though by Benchy and I really wish this guy had just one more yard of pace.
He had a bet with Libba at the start of the season I heard, to see if he could get to 100 tackles for the season...
Anyways its a good effort by Adam, hopefully he can work on those aspects of his game that he needs to over the summer.
honest goer.....thats our problem at the moment, our coaching had an honest goer (Pagan) at the helm and 2 og the 4 remaining were the same.....Libba and Crossisca.....everyone knows we are not that sort of club, we win flags because of our brilliance, arrogance and well because as Kernahan said 'we are Carlton F@#k the rest'....look at our past brilliance; Williams, Jezza, Silvagni, Johnno, Buckley, Doull, Madden, Sticks, Southby, Sheldon, Nichols, Walls, Bradley, McKay, Ratten, I could go on....we are not a club of honest goers, we are a club built on great champions and is the reason we have been so succesful, we want guns and flags, not honest goers and mediocrity...the quicker we get out of this mindset which has given me the Shi#s over the last few years the quicker we will be great again....we dont settle for second best, we settle for flags......
Jarrod Waiteee
3 Sep 2007, 16:45
gotta go,hurts us too much
honest goer.....thats our problem at the moment, our coaching had an honest goer (Pagan) at the helm and 2 og the 4 remaining were the same.....Libba and Crossisca.....everyone knows we are not that sort of club, we win flags because of our brilliance, arrogance and well because as Kernahan said 'we are Carlton F@#k the rest'....look at our past brilliance; Williams, Jezza, Silvagni, Johnno, Buckley, Doull, Madden, Sticks, Southby, Sheldon, Nichols, Walls, Bradley, McKay, Ratten, I could go on....we are not a club of honest goers, we are a club built on great champions and is the reason we have been so succesful, we want guns and flags, not honest goers and mediocrity...the quicker we get out of this mindset which has given me the Shi#s over the last few years the quicker we will be great again....we dont settle for second best, we settle for flags......
i'm pretty sure those fellas had some help.
i'm pretty sure those fellas had some help.
Another thing to keep in mind is why do u think he is getting so many tackles in???? Is it because his man has always got the pill, because he is toooo slllooooowwwwwwww.....
Another thing to keep in mind is why do u think he is getting so many tackles in???? Is it because his man has always got the pill, because he is toooo slllooooowwwwwwww.....
then how does he catch them?
then how does he catch them?
speed includes reaction time as well, he obviously has neither...he cathes them in the stop start in the middle of the ground in the congestion, he catches them the ball is gone, goal to the opposition....lets bring it back so AB can get another tackle.....i would rather he be the one getting tackled and Carlton kicking goals......his ball speed when kicking the ball is slow as well all these little things contribute.....the ball speed is a thing that worries me about Carrots, if u have a guy getting the pill as much as him, then he is influencing a game....if his disposal is off, thats a lot of bad influence to Carlton......I think we should persist with Carrots tho as he reads the play a lot better than AB.....
honest goer.....thats our problem at the moment, our coaching had an honest goer (Pagan) at the helm and 2 og the 4 remaining were the same.....Libba and Crossisca.....everyone knows we are not that sort of club, we win flags because of our brilliance, arrogance and well because as Kernahan said 'we are Carlton F@#k the rest'....look at our past brilliance; Williams, Jezza, Silvagni, Johnno, Buckley, Doull, Madden, Sticks, Southby, Sheldon, Nichols, Walls, Bradley, McKay, Ratten, I could go on....we are not a club of honest goers, we are a club built on great champions and is the reason we have been so succesful, we want guns and flags, not honest goers and mediocrity...the quicker we get out of this mindset which has given me the Shi#s over the last few years the quicker we will be great again....we dont settle for second best, we settle for flags......
A team is made of up a small number of deadset champions and a larger number of honester goers.
If they were all champions, some of them might be afraid to tackle someone because they might break a nail.
A team is made of up a small number of deadset champions and a larger number of honester goers.
If they were all champions, some of them might be afraid to tackle someone because they might break a nail.
Can u name them in 95 side??? Bradley, Kouta, Brown, Williams, urrrrrrr no honest goers in there champ....honest goers might get u to eighth, maybe even 6th.....they dont win u flags, this is a ruthless comp....and to win flags u have to be ruthless....
Can u name the honest goers in the West Coast, Geelong midfields....probably one Ling who has kicked about 30 goals this yr...if AB can do that he could stay.....honest goers yes they are essential but notin the starting midfield...in a back pocket maybe.....
Can u name them in 95 side??? Bradley, Kouta, Brown, Williams, urrrrrrr no honest goers in there champ....honest goers might get u to eighth, maybe even 6th.....they dont win u flags, this is a ruthless comp....and to win flags u have to be ruthless....
pearce, hogg, clape, rice, whitehead, manton, might even add christou.
keeping in mind that this was the greatest team ever to walk onto a football field.
pearce, hogg, clape, rice, whitehead, manton, might even add christou.
keeping in mind that this was the greatest team ever to walk onto a football field.
Christou and Rice, bith played for Victoria....for starters, not honest goers....Hogg was a tagger of high quality i think he even made the Vic side as well.......Whitehead was a young gun who was 19 at the time unfortunately got struck down by injuries and he played in the back pocket anyway....Manton was another back pocket....Pearce was a pretty good third forward and Clape was another flanker who I would take every minute of the day before Bentick.....
Of the above mentioned players would you take Bentick in front of any of them?????
I doubt it....
TorresIsGod
3 Sep 2007, 21:20
21. Craig Bradley
20. Fraser Brown
16. Scott Camporeale
39. Ang Christou
6. Matt Clape
35. Peter Dean
13. Mil Hanna
33. Matthew Hogg
4. Stephen Kernahan
43. Anthony Koutoufides
44. Justin Madden
22. Glenn Manton
5. Andrew McKay
19. Brad Pearce
7. Brett Ratten
23. Dean Rice
14. Michael Sexton
1. Stephen Silvagni
11. Earl Spalding
32. Adrian Whitehead
2. Greg Williams
21. Craig Bradley
20. Fraser Brown
16. Scott Camporeale
39. Ang Christou
6. Matt Clape
35. Peter Dean
13. Mil Hanna
33. Matthew Hogg
4. Stephen Kernahan
43. Anthony Koutoufides
44. Justin Madden
22. Glenn Manton
5. Andrew McKay
19. Brad Pearce
7. Brett Ratten
23. Dean Rice
14. Michael Sexton
1. Stephen Silvagni
11. Earl Spalding
32. Adrian Whitehead
2. Greg Williams
Spot on mate and there were a few in the ressies that I would take before him as well.......
He is too slow, isnt a tagger and isnt creative enough, on top of that he doesnt get enough of the pill.....that is the reason Ratten dropped him as soon as he got the job....
KBSHERRIN
3 Sep 2007, 21:49
For christ sake some of you people have no idea what u are talking about what so ever.. Your all looking for that brilliant fast player that can run 50 metres with the ball and kick a miracle goal.. Well thats just the thing, you wouldn't have these players doing these brilliant flashy things if you didn't have the in and under get the ball players like Adam Bentick, who get the ball to ur flashy players..
Look i don't even go for Carlton but still i have watched him the last 3 weeks and he is a gun.. He is one of the best, if not the best at getting the hardball at Carlton.. Cause i tell ya what for the last couple of weeks he has been the only one playin for Carlton that actually looked like he wanted to be there..
In all games this year he has averaged 18.5 disposals with 60% game time.. And ya can't say they aren't effective because he has an average 80% effective rate with his possesions.
His stats for his last 4 games are phenomonal.. He has averaged 29 disposals and 59% game time.. Yes that is right 59% game time.. So next time ya think about baggin Adam Bentick, actually have a think who does that little block or give out the handball for betts or gibbs to run on and kick the goal.. With the way football is going these days it is getting flashier and flashier, but i ask don't forget that guy under the pack given out the handball because that is how you win Grand Finals sir, winning the ball, and he is one off the best at that..
Christou and Rice, bith played for Victoria....for starters, not honest goers....Hogg was a tagger of high quality i think he even made the Vic side as well.......Whitehead was a young gun who was 19 at the time unfortunately got struck down by injuries and he played in the back pocket anyway....Manton was another back pocket....Pearce was a pretty good third forward and Clape was another flanker who I would take every minute of the day before Bentick.....
Of the above mentioned players would you take Bentick in front of any of them?????
I doubt it....
keeping in mind thqat this was the greatest team ever to walk onto a football field.
For christ sake some of you people have no idea what u are talking about what so ever.. Your all looking for that brilliant fast player that can run 50 metres with the ball and kick a miracle goal.. Well thats just the thing, you wouldn't have these players doing these brilliant flashy things if you didn't have the in and under get the ball players like Adam Bentick, who get the ball to ur flashy players..
Look i don't even go for Carlton but still i have watched him the last 3 weeks and he is a gun.. He is one of the best, if not the best at getting the hardball at Carlton.. Cause i tell ya what for the last couple of weeks he has been the only one playin for Carlton that actually looked like he wanted to be there..
In all games this year he has averaged 18.5 disposals with 60% game time.. And ya can't say they aren't effective because he has an average 80% effective rate with his possesions.
His stats for his last 4 games are phenomonal.. He has averaged 29 disposals and 59% game time.. Yes that is right 59% game time.. So next time ya think about baggin Adam Bentick, actually have a think who does that little block or give out the handball for betts or gibbs to run on and kick the goal.. With the way football is going these days it is getting flashier and flashier, but i ask don't forget that guy under the pack given out the handball because that is how you win Grand Finals sir, winning the ball, and he is one off the best at that..
Yeah urrrr i beg to differ mate, he is not creative and the last 3 weeks we have lost, just because u have effective disposal doesnt mean u are a gun......with so much disposal he is influencing games, and obviously not in our favor, he is playing in the pivotal role an in and under is vital true but if he's getting it to the wrong options.....he is influencing games badly for us......
Yes I would love that flashy player, but just as important is ur in and under who gets plenty of it, in fact he would probably be more important, however Bentik is not that bloke...i think if anyone wants him we should trade but I highly doubt he has any trade value...
mediumsizered
3 Sep 2007, 23:23
For christ sake some of you people have no idea what u are talking about what so ever.. Your all looking for that brilliant fast player that can run 50 metres with the ball and kick a miracle goal.. Well thats just the thing, you wouldn't have these players doing these brilliant flashy things if you didn't have the in and under get the ball players like Adam Bentick, who get the ball to ur flashy players..
Look i don't even go for Carlton but still i have watched him the last 3 weeks and he is a gun.. He is one of the best, if not the best at getting the hardball at Carlton.. Cause i tell ya what for the last couple of weeks he has been the only one playin for Carlton that actually looked like he wanted to be there..
In all games this year he has averaged 18.5 disposals with 60% game time.. And ya can't say they aren't effective because he has an average 80% effective rate with his possesions.
His stats for his last 4 games are phenomonal.. He has averaged 29 disposals and 59% game time.. Yes that is right 59% game time.. So next time ya think about baggin Adam Bentick, actually have a think who does that little block or give out the handball for betts or gibbs to run on and kick the goal.. With the way football is going these days it is getting flashier and flashier, but i ask don't forget that guy under the pack given out the handball because that is how you win Grand Finals sir, winning the ball, and he is one off the best at that..
Great post, KB. It is refreshing to get an opinion from someone outside, looking in. AB will never play football that can be described as aesthetic, but then it was only just over 2 years ago that the AFL chief bagged the Swans for playing unattractive football & we all know what happened after that.
Those that choose to compare AB to the members of our 1995 premiership side are missing the point. That '95 premiership side would match up favourably against most of the recent premiership sides. Times have changed though, & you probably won't ever see a side like that one or Essendon's 2000 team again. A properly enforced salary cap makes sure of that, but so does the greater emphasis on defence in the current game.
A Brett Kirk or Michael Braun is just as important as a Ben Cousins or a Barry Hall. St Kilda's best half a dozen players are as good as any in the competition, but the bottom half a dozen lack the hardness/mental toughness that is required to complement the stars, hence their inability to achieve the ultimate success. A player like AB will ensure that Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Cotchin/Palmer/Masten can do the flashy stuff that they are renowned for.
As you say, AB is a consistent accumulator of possessions & his effectiveness with his disposals outshines some of the better Carlton players. Having just turned 22, he still has plenty of improvement left in him & I would suggest the coaching staff & MC at Carlton recognise his value to the club.
Great post, KB. It is refreshing to get an opinion from someone outside, looking in. AB will never play football that can be described as aesthetic, but then it was only just over 2 years ago that the AFL chief bagged the Swans for playing unattractive football & we all know what happened after that.
Those that choose to compare AB to the members of our 1995 premiership side are missing the point. That '95 premiership side would match up favourably against most of the recent premiership sides. Times have changed though, & you probably won't ever see a side like that one or Essendon's 2000 team again. A properly enforced salary cap makes sure of that, but so does the greater emphasis on defence in the current game.
A Brett Kirk or Michael Braun is just as important as a Ben Cousins or a Barry Hall. St Kilda's best half a dozen players are as good as any in the competition, but the bottom half a dozen lack the hardness/mental toughness that is required to complement the stars, hence their inability to achieve the ultimate success. A player like AB will ensure that Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Cotchin/Palmer/Masten can do the flashy stuff that they are renowned for.
As you say, AB is a consistent accumulator of possessions & his effectiveness with his disposals outshines some of the better Carlton players. Having just turned 22, he still has plenty of improvement left in him & I would suggest the coaching staff & MC at Carlton recognise his value to the club.
Please dont compare Kirk an All Autralian to AB, Kirk is a gun tagger.....and Braun would be a gun midfielder in any team bar Westcoast which he nearly is anyway, he is quick and has a penetrating quick kick,.....i just can't see any asset that AB has I think his decision making is very poor........
mediumsizered
4 Sep 2007, 00:03
Please dont compare Kirk an All Autralian to AB, Kirk is a gun tagger.....and Braun would be a gun midfielder in any team bar Westcoast which he nearly is anyway, he is quick and has a penetrating quick kick,.....i just can't see any asset that AB has I think his decision making is very poor........
Cast your mind back 4 or 5 years ago when Brett Kirk was being criticised for being too slow, lacking in skills & using questionable tactics as a tagger. With more experience & maturity he developed into one of Sydney's most important players, but he will never be compared with Hall, O'Loughlin, Goodes, Jude Bolton.
It is your perogative to dislike AB, but don't let this dislike for him cloud over what he has provided to our team this year. He has certainly outperformed some of the more highly rated youngsters at Carlton, this season.
TorresIsGod
4 Sep 2007, 00:11
All I was doing was naming the Premiership Side in 1995, I wasn't saying who I'd have infront of AB or not...
Would Greg Williams make it in todays game?
Blue Dimension
4 Sep 2007, 00:19
Yeah urrrr i beg to differ mate, he is not creative and the last 3 weeks we have lost, just because u have effective disposal doesnt mean u are a gun......with so much disposal he is influencing games, and obviously not in our favor, he is playing in the pivotal role an in and under is vital true but if he's getting it to the wrong options.....he is influencing games badly for us......
Yes I would love that flashy player, but just as important is ur in and under who gets plenty of it, in fact he would probably be more important, however Bentik is not that bloke...i think if anyone wants him we should trade but I highly doubt he has any trade value...
Mate, can you talk anymore crap? Honestly.
Do you honestly think one player can single-handedly win a match himself? No, of course not - it has to be a team effort - and if you think so that you're even more naive and uneducated on the game as i thought.
You're totally contradicting yourself - you allude to the fact that he has effective disposal but then state that he is, in your words, "getting it to the wrong options".
You clearly have no idea of his role, and his ability as a player. His efforts in the past few weeks have been absolutely fantastic, and it is clear that you are too biased to see that.
For christ sake some of you people have no idea what u are talking about what so ever.. Your all looking for that brilliant fast player that can run 50 metres with the ball and kick a miracle goal.. Well thats just the thing, you wouldn't have these players doing these brilliant flashy things if you didn't have the in and under get the ball players like Adam Bentick, who get the ball to ur flashy players..
Look i don't even go for Carlton but still i have watched him the last 3 weeks and he is a gun.. He is one of the best, if not the best at getting the hardball at Carlton.. Cause i tell ya what for the last couple of weeks he has been the only one playin for Carlton that actually looked like he wanted to be there..
In all games this year he has averaged 18.5 disposals with 60% game time.. And ya can't say they aren't effective because he has an average 80% effective rate with his possesions.
His stats for his last 4 games are phenomonal.. He has averaged 29 disposals and 59% game time.. Yes that is right 59% game time.. So next time ya think about baggin Adam Bentick, actually have a think who does that little block or give out the handball for betts or gibbs to run on and kick the goal.. With the way football is going these days it is getting flashier and flashier, but i ask don't forget that guy under the pack given out the handball because that is how you win Grand Finals sir, winning the ball, and he is one off the best at that..
Amen mate, Couldn't have said it better myself...I can't believe it takes an outside supporter to explain Bentick's use in the Carlton side.
Thankgod some of the people on this forum don't run the club.
TorresIsGod
4 Sep 2007, 00:21
I think there's meant to be a don't in there BD.
Some of the people on this forum 'don't' run the club?
XXX KINGS
4 Sep 2007, 00:23
Levi Greenwood.
Blue Dimension
4 Sep 2007, 00:48
I think there's meant to be a don't in there BD.
Some of the people on this forum 'don't' run the club?
Haha, yeah i noticed it - sounded like a bit of a dill. Thanks mate ;)
I pose a question to you all:
Would we get a trade done for Adam Bentick during trade week? If so, what would we get?
so anyway, was meant to be a positive thread about something good that happened in 2007.
so anyway, was meant to be a positive thread about something good that happened in 2007.
Firstly, some of u blokes, don't get personal as I have played a lot of footy and watched Carlton for over 30 yrs, so i have seen what makes a successful team.....
Yes I am probably a bit disgruntled however I don't think be should be getting into a culture of accepting 2nd best.....what I meant to say is if he is getting and disposing it effectively into the wrong areas...the stats will say it was an effective disposal if he gets it to another Carlton player standing still etc or running the wrong way, yes its effective for him but not constructive for the team............he is in the most important area of the ground and plays as the pivot, hence he needs to be constructive for the team, his decision making can influence games....
I pose a question do you think he is good enough to be in any of the last 10 Premiership sides??? I don't think so....Like i stated before it's a ruthless comp and to be successful you should only be looking at players that will win u flags nothing shorter than that......he is an honest hard working player.....and don't compare him to Kirk as he gets it 30 times a game and is a lot more constructive..........
Again I hope i eat my words if he stays but I think we should be looking elsewhere, Carlton has never settled for 2nd best apart from the last few yrs due to necessity, its now time to get back to the old ways and only think of the ultimate success and not mediocrity....
Someone in a thread asked if we would get a trade for him, does anyone think we would????
BlueWorld
4 Sep 2007, 12:57
I pose a question to you all:
Would we get a trade done for Adam Bentick during trade week? If so, what would we get?How many other teams would he get a regular game for?