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philhawk
4 Sep 2007, 14:45
Fremantle plays hard ball with Hasleby

by Stephen Rielly
The Age (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fremantle-plays-hard-ball-with-hasleby/2007/09/03/1188783158078.html)

THE idea that this year's October trade period will witness more activity than last gained currency last night with confirmation that Fremantle's Paul Hasleby will have to accept a substantial pay cut to continue his career in purple.
The Dockers have invited their former rising star winner and 2003 All-Australian to test the transfer market if, as his manager Anthony Van Der Wielen insists, he wants a new deal on similar or better terms than he has played on for the past three seasons.
Hasleby signed a three-year deal at the end of 2004 worth as much as $420,000 a season. It is understood that the Dockers have not yet put an offer to the 26-year-old midfielder, preferring instead to settle with the likes of Matthew Pavlich, Ryan Crowley, Daniel Gilmore, Aaron Sandilands and Brett Peake, but intend to offer no more than a two-year, $260,000 a season deal.
Van Der Wielen said yesterday that it was Hasleby's preference to remain with Fremantle, where he has played 166 matches and twice finished runner-up in the best and fairest, but not on lesser terms.
"They can't expect a player who is 26 and coming into the period of his career where traditionally players produce their best to accept less, particularly when the salary cap has risen an average of seven per cent per annum over the life of his current contract," Van Der Wielen said.
"The expectation that the club's highest possession winner will take a pay cut is … if anything he should be on the same or more. He won't be taking a pay cut, I've made that clear. If they're not prepared to match his current arrangement, that would probably force us to look elsewhere."
Fremantle chief executive Cameron Schwab suggested Van Der Wielen do so. "If he wishes to test the market, that's his right and he should. It's our preference that Paul continues to play for Fremantle but clearly we have some negotiations ahead of us and we won't be conducting those negotiations through the media," said Schwab, who added that a list-management meeting would be held later in the week that could have a bearing on the midfielder's future, among others.
Ryan Murphy's future is also less than certain as the Dockers consider how they might trade to acquire some speed. The Western Bulldogs' Farren Ray is thought to be in Fremantle's considerations.
Hasleby has been beset by physical problems over the life of his current contract, including issues with his feet, back and groin, but has missed only eight games in the three years. He played 20 this year but not round 22, after being suspended by the club for missing a recovery session six days before the match.
Van Der Wielen said Hasleby understood he "let himself and the club down" by missing the session, especially as the match, against Port Adelaide, was a farewell for stalwart Troy Cook. He denied, though, that a split was inevitable.
"Paul wants to be a part of Fremantle's future. That's not to say that he mightn't end up at another club. Like anyone out of contract … if we can't close the deal on a new contract in the next three or four weeks then I suppose a trade is a possibility, something either party might want to investigate. But right now, both parties are keen to stay together."
Meanwhile, Schwab and chairman Rick Hart met Mark Harvey's management late last week to discuss terms for the caretaker coach to take the job on a permanent basis. An announcement is expected next week.

Would we be interested? Would add some more class to our midfield.

Number 24
4 Sep 2007, 14:57
Too slow and injury prone. We have enough players of this type in the team at present and with the likes or Muston, Tuck, Moss, Ellis, Clarke, Kennedy etc., what we need is real foot speed and a player who can get and use the ball, all in the one body. I reckon somebody like Bateman but with better disposal.

BigAl3001
4 Sep 2007, 15:01
His currency has devalued but I reckon he would be a tremendous addition to our midfield. Freo is a grave-yard for good players. History suggests most players who leave Freo go onto bigger and better things.

Delisted
4 Sep 2007, 15:01
If the price is right, sure. Can never have to much class.

Gary Shadforth
4 Sep 2007, 15:04
We have sufficient midfielders.

Our current personnel: Highly rated.

Upcoming talent: Great - as mentioned in a previous post.

If the Shockers are going to devalue him, why would we look at him?

philhawk
4 Sep 2007, 15:05
If we put him on the Josh Thurgood diet, I daresay he could come good for us.

Mojo
4 Sep 2007, 15:10
I'm divided and confused.. :(

Who wouldn't want Paul Hasleby?

Perhaps only if the deal is right or the price is right.. :rolleyes:

kirbatron
4 Sep 2007, 15:46
i think you have to weigh up the sacrifice and draft picks compared with our current midfield talent and do we need to focus on this area more than others..

haselby would be a great acquisition but at the expense of possibly bolstering the stocks of other important areas.

i think we need to focus on a goalsneak, break the line flankers and a KP backman.

Boogoos
4 Sep 2007, 15:53
He has also been playing forward this year I like the idea of having him at the hawkers. Add more depth

Hedgehodgy
4 Sep 2007, 16:05
Not a chance, goes against our recruiting policy of the last 3 years anyway he is too old. Besides i think we have the midfield talent just need to get some game time into it and draft a bit more pace

shawthing09
4 Sep 2007, 16:42
your midfield isn't in a dire stat to add a player who the game is slowly moving past, you need more outside flairy mids, run and carry/line breaking type players. Muston was one who you hoped would fill this role yeh?

delirious1
4 Sep 2007, 16:45
Would LOVE him, his value is low due to two injured years, when he has the fitness base hes a top 20 midfielder

although we are well stocked in his types of players, with hodge+mitchell+sewell

Trickstar
4 Sep 2007, 16:50
No wouldn't worry about him. He is not consistent enough and doesn't have the tank for our style of play.

Better talent on our books now.

Nightwolf
4 Sep 2007, 16:52
The game has no time for plodders these days.

Mervyn Beasley
4 Sep 2007, 16:54
given we lack pace - No.

RustyHawk
4 Sep 2007, 17:21
given we lack pace - No.

what he said

WheresHawka
4 Sep 2007, 18:43
If they throw in Pav as compensation we should look at it.

chrismew
4 Sep 2007, 18:57
If he can get his body right, and we can get him at the right price why not?

Freo would want Williams, as a suitable trade and I wouldn't trade Haselby for Williams.

Haselby is dreaming if he thinks he is worth 420k a year, good player but not that good.

mulhollanddrive
4 Sep 2007, 22:33
Assuming that 99% of the time you have to pay ball park market rate in terms of salary of trades.

So most trades have a 50/50 chance of benefiting one team, lets just assume that.

The only way you can benefit from a trade is if you rip someone off (1% likely), or if you gain a player that fulfills a hole in your team, hence the benefit is greater than just his ability. His ability improvement compared to the current player - Lets say Harris for Dawson/Gilham, is what helps teams benefit from a trade that is fairly even.

We pay market rate for Harris, that would be a win. We pay market rate for Haselby (player improvement on Sewell/Lewis/Hodge/Mitchell/McGlynn).. Nothing.

brookers#5
4 Sep 2007, 22:48
If we can get a deal where it doesn't cost as over the top odds i'd take it for sure he'd be our 4th midfielder & when on song he is brilliant so if we can get him fit i'd think he'd be great at his best i believe hsi a better player them Mitchell with a couple more strings to his bow & better skills.

hawker39
5 Sep 2007, 12:13
There is no question that Haselby has talent and that should never be dismissed. He has some injury concerns and this is an issue but lets say the Haselby gets a medical OK. Do we want/need him?

We don't need him to provide a role we currently don't have. We do have inside midfielders but he is better than some and at his best he is close to Mitchell's level. Always look to provide depth as well as what is missing.

So, we decide he is useful then the big question is what is he worth. It should be a given that our 1st round should be used to adddress a need. That need is outside midfield. So Haselby isn't worth our 1st pick. Then it is or 2nd pick onwards/player package.

I would think about it.

Roughie
5 Sep 2007, 12:25
Maybe he could be the next Peter Bell trade out of Freo? Comes to us, runs a muck, wins a premiership, then Freo want him back?

haha

Beckers
5 Sep 2007, 15:22
Maybe we can get him and Des Headland in a package deal and have two useless front runners:rolleyes:

Beckers
5 Sep 2007, 15:33
If we can get a deal where it doesn't cost as over the top odds i'd take it for sure he'd be our 4th midfielder & when on song he is brilliant so if we can get him fit i'd think he'd be great at his best i believe hsi a better player them Mitchell with a couple more strings to his bow & better skills.

I believe that you need professional help!

How embarrasing for you!!!!!!!!!

brookers#5
5 Sep 2007, 17:25
I believe that you need professional help!

How embarrasing for you!!!!!!!!!
Mitchell is a gun but i personally think Haselby has abit more cream, There is a reason why one got over looked & the other pick one, not saying haselby is better but potentially a threesome of Mitchell Hodge & Haselby all in there prime looks good.

Coathanger
5 Sep 2007, 22:48
One club wants to trade one player and the other club wants to make their man captain!

Not even in the same league!:cool:

Beckers
6 Sep 2007, 09:04
Mitchell is a gun but i personally think Haselby has abit more cream, There is a reason why one got over looked & the other pick one, not saying haselby is better but potentially a threesome of Mitchell Hodge & Haselby all in there prime looks good.

Haselby had big wraps but has been found out to be lacking 1/2 a yard of pace and quite a bit of hardness. He is a front runner that can look brilliant if Freo was killing the opposition, but like so many others, gets found out and goes missing if the chips are down.

Sammy Mitchell is all class and is the current barometer for the Hawks. If he is on fire, we usually win. The reason he was overlooked in the draft was probably due to the facination with drafting athletes rather than footballers a few years ago.

brookers#5
6 Sep 2007, 10:54
What your saying is true, but a change of enviroment could help him realise his undoubted talent, ppl constantly said brissy's midfield was slow but it didn't effect them they just kept getting the footy forward & winning the hard ball which Haselby will make us even better at, If muston, tucky, young & mossy can kick on + maybe some outside help our midfield will have an extremely good balance that most teams would love to have.

Beckers
6 Sep 2007, 11:03
What your saying is true, but a change of enviroment could help him realise his undoubted talent, ppl constantly said brissy's midfield was slow but it didn't effect them they just kept getting the footy forward & winning the hard ball which Haselby will make us even better at, If muston, tucky, young & mossy can kick on + maybe some outside help our midfield will have an extremely good balance that most teams would love to have.

You could have a point.

My final word on this issue and the difference between Mitchell and Haselby are:
Mitchell is one of the quality midfielders in the AFL based on performances. Haselby is one of the most overrated mids in the AFL with a big reputation but yet to deliver a great deal.

Albo's opinion
6 Sep 2007, 11:15
Aside from the obvious (Pavlich) the only freo player i would be interested in at hawthorn is Mundy.
Victorian boy that has sublime skills, good size and is deceptively quick across the turf. With Mundy on one back flank and birch on the other we would have the best rebounding half back line in the comp imo.

brookers#5
6 Sep 2007, 11:22
You could have a point.

My final word on this issue and the difference between Mitchell and Haselby are:
Mitchell is one of the quality midfielders in the AFL based on performances. Haselby is one of the most overrated mids in the AFL with a big reputation but yet to deliver a great deal.
Yea so far in there careers thats right but when i've seen Haselby fire his been brilliant & kick goals aswell, i think he'd be a welcome addition. If he can get to where he should be his a top 10 midfielder & you dont get the oppurtunity to get one of them to often.

FatBoy's Wombats
6 Sep 2007, 12:07
I think anyone who doesn't think a fit Paul Haselby to the club is crazy. If his body was right Paul Haselby is in the top division of elite midfielders. When he was fit and we haven't seen it for a couple of years he could tear games to peices. It would all depend on the peice we have to pay! In my opinion he is a Robert Harvey style player, who is supremely strong through the hips and has a great ability to break tackles, in his mid 20's he may be an extremely handy addition to our side.