For ****'s sake. Collingwood and the Port Adelaide guernsey AGAIN. [Archive]

dyertribe

13 Sep 2007, 10:12

... Except this time it's the current Power home guernsey (1997-Present).

NEW PORT GUERNSEY FIGHT
Michelangelo Rucci
Link (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22408769-21543,00.html)

PORT ADELAIDE wants to wear its home jumper - the only guernsey that has survived the Power's journey in the AFL since entry in 1997 - in every final this year.

But Port surprisingly will not if it meets lower-ranked Collingwood in the grand final on September 29.

wharfie_1870

13 Sep 2007, 10:21

Absolute joke but not at all unexpected from the AFL. :mad:

If the AFL has ruled that Collingwood's "clash" guernsey clashes with our home guernsey then they should not have approved Collingwood's "clash" guernsey in the first place as it obviously does not meet the basic requirement of a clash guernsey.

The AFL's response will be the threat of a $150,000 fine if it (Port Adeliade) arrives in Melbourne, as West Coast did recently for a home-and-away game against the Western Bulldogs, without the sanctioned clash jumper. West Coast was fined $30,000 with $20,000 suspended after the AFL took into account the club's good record.

Surely it is Collingwoood who should be being fined for not having a clash guernsey.

Predator.

13 Sep 2007, 11:02

Surely it is Collingwoood who should be being fined for not having a clash guernsey.Yep.

RussellEbertHandball

13 Sep 2007, 11:11

But there is more BS potentially coming our way if we play Geelong. From the article;

They were both lower-ranked teams than their opponents. If the preliminary final favourites - Geelong and Port - reach the grand final, the Power's argument to keep its home jumper will be weakened by the first-placed Cats being the higher-ranked team.

IIRC in the Rd 9 game we wore our home guernsey and Geelong their normal guernsey. Was there a clah? NO! We wore the clash guernsey as the away team at Kardina Park.

Is that idiot Gilligan imposing himself again. In the words of Ted Bullpit, somebody ought to blow the AFL up!!!

missionpossible

13 Sep 2007, 11:24

Ahh let them keep the jumper that is a jinx on the club.

Ford Fairlane

13 Sep 2007, 11:38

Please refer to the game's administrators by their proper title of the VFL. Good to see the token SA additions toadying to the party line.

Still as mission has pointed out, Collingwood have done so well in their preferred jumper in so many GF's that if by the unlikely event they made it, you'd almost rather they wore it. ;)

That prison-bar guernsey we wore in heritage round would go alright too ...

footyhead07

13 Sep 2007, 11:51

But there is more BS potentially coming our way if we play Geelong. From the article;

IIRC in the Rd 9 game we wore our home guernsey and Geelong their normal guernsey. Was there a clah? NO! We wore the clash guernsey as the away team at Kardina Park.

Is that idiot Gilligan imposing himself again. In the words of Ted Bullpit, somebody ought to blow the AFL up!!!

AFL once again showing its Vicentricity.

Porthos

13 Sep 2007, 12:03

If we are the higher ranked side, the lower ranked side must conform. Its very simple.

Master of Cooks

13 Sep 2007, 12:04

It doesn't really matter anyhow becuase there is no way Collingwood will make the GF. They'll be very lucky to win this week.:thumbsu:

Porthos

13 Sep 2007, 12:08

Oh, and I thought that it was normal for the grand finalists to flip a coin to determine home guernsey/choice of changerooms and so on.

wharfie_1870

13 Sep 2007, 12:18

Oh, and I thought that it was normal for the grand finalists to flip a coin to determine home guernsey/choice of changerooms and so on.Yep, that's how we ended up wearing white shorts in 2004.

Apparently that only applies if there are two Victorian clubs playing or two non-Victorian clubs playing. If a Victorian club is playing a non-Victorian club they get to pick :rolleyes:

Toots Hibbert

13 Sep 2007, 12:29

I can't see this happening unfortunately but I reckon this is an occasion where the club could dig it's heels in and insist on wearing the home strip with either black or white shorts.

Come on Greg Boulton and John James. I hope you get bolshy about this. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

PowerKat

13 Sep 2007, 12:45

RussellEbertHandball

13 Sep 2007, 13:22

Nothing stopping us from wearing our home guernsey just gotta pay the fine. If we make it Choco can use it as part of the them v us build up to the game.

The AFL's response will be the threat of a $150,000 fine if it arrives in Melbourne, as West Coast did recently for a home-and-away game against the Western Bulldogs, without the sanctioned clash jumper. West Coast was fined $30,000 with $20,000 suspended after the AFL took into account the club's good record.

AFL rules state a club can be fined $5000 for every player not in the league's sanctioned strip. This would equate to $110,000 for a 22-man team with a $40,000 premium penalty on grand final day.

Porthos

13 Sep 2007, 13:24

One wonders if the fine gets any more significant if we `accidentally' pack the prisonbars instead.

RussellEbertHandball

13 Sep 2007, 13:26

One wonders if the fine gets any more significant if we `accidentally' pack the prisonbars instead.

:D I'd donate to cover that fine!

Phhht

13 Sep 2007, 13:45

One wonders if the fine gets any more significant if we `accidentally' pack the prisonbars instead.

What a fantastic idea. If we are gunna cop the $150k anyway, might as well make it wothwhile.

Jeez I know I shouldnt look to what will happen come GF day because we still have to somehow win a tough prelim 1st but to see the prisonbars running around on the MCG in September......sheeesh, drooooool.

Andre

13 Sep 2007, 13:45

One wonders if the fine gets any more significant if we `accidentally' pack the prisonbars instead.
At what point can we stop wearing the sanctioned kit?
Ie. if it's during the match we have to wear it, then if we got to the GF and won (hypothetically for this discussion), have the players take off their tops after the siren goes and put on prisonbars before medallions are handed out ;)

Edit: If the fine is $150k, then wearing the prison bars wouldn't cost the $150k. In a losing GF they'd average around $3k each auctioned. That's $66k. If in a winning GF, more like $5k-$6k - almost covering the fine.

captain ebert

13 Sep 2007, 13:54

AFL once again showing its Vicentricity.

gilligan is from s.a. too!

wharfie_1870

13 Sep 2007, 14:06

gilligan is from s.a. too!Yes, but he knows how to keep his job.

Lenny29

13 Sep 2007, 14:28

Clearly the problem lies with the AFL as there is no clash between our white jumper and your home jumper.

How ridiculous this "clash" issue farce has become.

RussellEbertHandball

13 Sep 2007, 15:28

Clearly the problem lies with the AFL as there is no clash between our white jumper and your home jumper.

How ridiculous this "clash" issue farce has become.

That's right. If you wear your design from 1990 GF which was white sides and not black, and white shorts there is no bloody clash. Even if the shorts were changed around the clash would be very little.

I had no problems telling the difference between the teams in the 2002 QF and 2003 PF when both sides played in their home guernseys. What has changed in the last few years. Has global warming effected our eye sight that much!

Sandola

13 Sep 2007, 15:55

At what point can we stop wearing the sanctioned kit?
Ie. if it's during the match we have to wear it, then if we got to the GF and won (hypothetically for this discussion), have the players take off their tops after the siren goes and put on prisonbars before medallions are handed out ;)

Edit: If the fine is $150k, then wearing the prison bars wouldn't cost the $150k. In a losing GF they'd average around $3k each auctioned. That's $66k. If in a winning GF, more like $5k-$6k - almost covering the fine.

Yes! Change jumpers while we're organising getting the players' kids on the field.

And if we throw in the profit from the $10.00 pre-booking "handling" fee and the income from Anchor sales, hell, no worries!

Geoffa32

13 Sep 2007, 18:45

what clash....the jumpers dont look anything alike.....Vics must be colour blind...

TheFridge

13 Sep 2007, 18:47

I had no problems telling the difference between the teams in the 2002 QF and 2003 PF when both sides played in their home guernseys.

Absolutely spot on, REH!:thumbsu:

dyertribe

13 Sep 2007, 18:48

I love how it's "hmmm, white and black instead of black and white... approved!" - now it's "nahhh, soz pr0t. You clash with them. Wear your clash guernsey."

Honestly. The current administration would get a testicle stocktake wrong.

TheFridge

13 Sep 2007, 18:51

[quote=RussellEbertHandball;8746498]We wore the clash guernsey as the away team at Kardina Park.
[quote]

:rolleyes:This is a good reason for wanting to wear the clash strip if we do play Geelong....

dyertribe

13 Sep 2007, 19:00

I had no problems telling the difference between the teams in the 2002 QF and 2003 PF when both sides played in their home guernseys. What has changed in the last few years. Has global warming effected our eye sight that much!

2003 PF was actually the teal/white lightning bolt/black number.

I actually agree with the AFL's basic premise - I am a massive supporter of true clash guernseys to allieviate any sort of mistaken identity/visual diarrhea for everyone. Players, spectators at the ground, TV audience. Essendon and Collingwood have been terrible on this issue - whereas in contrast, sides with just as much rich tradition and history have conformed impressively, Carlton, Melbourne and North Melbourne, not to mention Port.

As it stands Collingwood vs. Port Adelaide with any guernsey (bar the Power's innovative teal and silver clash numbers) is a helluva lot of black and white to deal with.

The problem I have is that the onus is always on Port Adelaide to supply the alternate, regardless of whether the Power is home, away or is the higher ranked team in finals. It's bullshit.

The sooner Collingwood develop an all-white guernsey with a standard-sized Magpie logo/monogram on the front the better.

Carnport

13 Sep 2007, 19:03

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, but if this were to come about then I for one would want the club to simply wear the home strip, stuff the consequences and stuff Vlad and Big Heady. I'll donate to help cover it, but:

Allan Scott - it's time to get controversial again, a public statement on this would get much more than $150K worth of national TV exposure...

Carnport

13 Sep 2007, 19:05

portentous

13 Sep 2007, 22:03

Lenny29

14 Sep 2007, 12:12

Who wears what if Collingwood and Geelong play in the prelim?

Sorry it might have been mentioned earlier but I didn't see it. The cats got to retain the "home jumper advantage" against the Kangaroos so why should Collingwood be any different?
Assuming the AFL, again, uses common sense, Geelong will play in their normal strip with white shorts and we'll play in our normal strip with black shorts.

Easy.

portentous

14 Sep 2007, 20:00

Assuming the AFL, again, uses common sense, Geelong will play in their normal strip with white shorts and we'll play in our normal strip with black shorts.

Easy.

Why should Geelong be the ones wearing white shorts??

bomberclifford

14 Sep 2007, 21:57

If Collingwood wear what they're wearing tonight against us, there would be no problem with a clash.

Why is this even an issue FFS?

marcus

15 Sep 2007, 13:22

I thought the same thing watching last nights game.

Port's clash jumper would clash more with what Collingwood wore last night than our home strip does.

Vlad has lost the plot.

Ford Fairlane

16 Sep 2007, 11:22

Of all people, Chris McDermott's advice is:

"My suggestion to those at Alberton is to wear the prison bars and stick it right back up 'em"

Power King

16 Sep 2007, 20:14

^lmao from chris mcdermott?? good stuff lol

16 Sep 2007, 23:34

I'm never surprised how far this always goes, but it never stops me from getting more and more outraged.

Someone lock me in a room with Andrew Demitriou and Eddie McGuire.

raikkonen

16 Sep 2007, 23:41

Id be happy for my team to wear pink and purple if it meant winning a Grand Final. You are remembered by what you did, not what you wore. :)

marcus

17 Sep 2007, 00:01

IF we win the premiership this year against Collingwood and we HAVE to wear the clash jumper then when I buy the DVD I will always have a reminder that this competition favours those that bring in the biggest $$$$

I'd rather not have that constant reminder.

Not taking a dig at you, just stating how I feel about it.

Ford Fairlane

21 Sep 2007, 10:42

Even Caro's taken notice. Must've gotten a call from her boyfriend ... ;)

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/power-afl-in-clash-over-jumper/2007/09/20/1189881683015.html

Power, AFL in clash over jumper
Caroline Wilson | September 21, 2007

PORT ADELAIDE and the AFL are waging a low-key but potentially inflammatory battle over the league's attempt to force the club to wear a clash jumper should it reach the 2007 grand final.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson wrote to the Port Adelaide club this week insisting it be equipped with its predominantly teal, and less-preferred, strip should Collingwood reach the grand final while stating a Port Adelaide-Geelong play-off could also cause issues with clashing guernseys.

Determined not to get ahead of itself and focus upon tomorrow's preliminary final clash with the Kangaroos, Port is understood to be furious at the heavy-handed tactics dictating the logistics of its finals campaign.

The Port clash jumper normally bears the logo of its co-major sponsor, Vodaphone, but a grand final berth could require the logo of the club's other major sponsor, Scotts, and the club would need to order those jumpers before tomorrow's Kangaroos clash to ensure they will be ready.

Port and Collingwood signed a deal earlier this year allowing the South Australians to wear their traditional prison-bar strip selectively over the next decade in return for the Magpies being allowed to wear their main jumper at any Collingwood-Port clash given that the AFL has deemed that the two club mainstream guernseys clash.

Port Adelaide has argued that there is not a clash with the Geelong jumper but the AFL disagrees and, should those two clubs play off in the grand final — as the bookmakers have predicted — the decision over Port's jumper has been placed on hold until next week.

Should the AFL insist upon the Port clash strip the club could miss the deadline to produce the correct jumper and could face a dispute with its major sponsor Scotts

Sandola

21 Sep 2007, 11:14

Port Adelaide has argued that there is not a clash with the Geelong jumper but the AFL disagrees and, should those two clubs play off in the grand final — as the bookmakers have predicted — the decision over Port's jumper has been placed on hold until next week.

Should the AFL insist upon the Port clash strip the club could miss the deadline to produce the correct jumper and could face a dispute with its major sponsor Scotts

Oh, wow. Tell you what, though, if it comes down to Port v. Geelong, I'll bet this problem just quietly disappears. It's only Collingwood who like to make dorks of themselves by pulling this sort of stunt.

Port and Collingwood signed a deal earlier this year allowing the South Australians to wear their traditional prison-bar strip selectively over the next decade in return for the Magpies being allowed to wear their main jumper at any Collingwood-Port clash given that the AFL has deemed that the two club mainstream guernseys clash.

Hey, another wonky deal with Collingwood to argue about for the next decade or so. It's probably just me, but I don't remember the part of the deal saying the Pies were allowed to wear their main jumper at all of our games. And why would that apply to a GF game anyhow, with its time-honoured coin-toss method for determining who wears what jumper.

Gotta despise Collingwood.

Porthos

21 Sep 2007, 11:49

We absolutely shouldn't have signed that deal, and that the AFL required it is probably the most damning thing against their equitable treatment of clubs since Fitzroy was ousted.

But we're not Victorian enough for the `national' media to beat them over the head with it.

P.A.F.C

21 Sep 2007, 14:41

Even Caro's taken notice. Must've gotten a call from her boyfriend ... ;)
Power, AFL in clash over jumper
Caroline Wilson | September 21, 2007

PORT ADELAIDE and the AFL are waging a low-key but potentially inflammatory battle over the league's attempt to force the club to wear a clash jumper should it reach the 2007 grand final.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson wrote to the Port Adelaide club this week insisting it be equipped with its predominantly teal, and less-preferred, strip should Collingwood reach the grand final while stating a Port Adelaide-Geelong play-off could also cause issues with clashing guernseys.

Determined not to get ahead of itself and focus upon tomorrow's preliminary final clash with the Kangaroos, Port is understood to be furious at the heavy-handed tactics dictating the logistics of its finals campaign.

The Port clash jumper normally bears the logo of its co-major sponsor, Vodaphone, but a grand final berth could require the logo of the club's other major sponsor, Scotts, and the club would need to order those jumpers before tomorrow's Kangaroos clash to ensure they will be ready.

Port and Collingwood signed a deal earlier this year allowing the South Australians to wear their traditional prison-bar strip selectively over the next decade in return for the Magpies being allowed to wear their main jumper at any Collingwood-Port clash given that the AFL has deemed that the two club mainstream guernseys clash.

Port Adelaide has argued that there is not a clash with the Geelong jumper but the AFL disagrees and, should those two clubs play off in the grand final — as the bookmakers have predicted — the decision over Port's jumper has been placed on hold until next week.

Should the AFL insist upon the Port clash strip the club could miss the deadline to produce the correct jumper and could face a dispute with its major sponsor Scotts
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/power-afl-in-clash-over-jumper/2007/09/20/1189881683015.html
Our clash strip is actually predomininantly silver and our sponsors name is Vodafone. Poor journalism again from Caro.

Power King

21 Sep 2007, 15:21

agreed. i don't even think it really clashes to any significant extent with the collingwood guernsey anyway.

i'd love for us to wear the prison bars should we make it on grand final day and collingwood are our opponent, just so that eddie mcguire can cry like a ****ing 10 yr old girl who lost her barbie doll.

BWST

21 Sep 2007, 16:38

A queery i'm not too sure on.

If we make the GF, against Geelong. Do we wear our home guernsey, or clash strip ?

wharfie_1870

21 Sep 2007, 17:31

A queery i'm not too sure on.I'm not too sure about queeries either :p

If we make the GF, against Geelong. Do we wear our home guernsey, or clash strip ?Read the article in this earlier post by Ford (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8859831&postcount=41).

dyertribe

21 Sep 2007, 17:52

You get the feeling the AFL would judge the home guernsey clashed with a team of gay teletubbies at this point.

21 Sep 2007, 18:04

This is the very thing why I got so pushy when the Heritage deal was made....because the PAFC remained tight-lipped and didn't tell the fans anything about what deals they made. We only found out when Cwood released a statement while the PAFC was trying to spin only positive things about how we finally get to wear the heritage guernsey....yeah, but not when you sell out on every other issue (if that's what you did).

It wouldn't surprise me yet again if one of the Eddie-Afl conditions was that we always wear teal for ALL games. It's like an Eddie ego-trip and vindictiveness laughing his head off that he can force our club into doing unfair things like not allowed to have rights to a Home guernsey at Home games! How the **** does our home jumper even worry Eddie over stripes? Just because we have black in our jumper is like a red-flag to him.

Absurd. The AFL is a joke imo. And all these deals the PAFC made they should be ashamed of making because look where it gets them! Then the PAFC wants to complain about how unfair it is - well why bend over and make that 10 year long deal??? Should've held their ground back then when they had rights to wearing black-silver prison-bar, or wearing Home guernsey for all Home games (like a GF with Cwood), etc.