Didak suits Craig's needs

[J-Ro-20]

NEIL Craig says Adelaide will take an aggressive approach to trading next month, with two forwards - a tall and a small - at the top of his shopping list.


Already eyeing a possible swoop for All-Australian Collingwood goalsneak Alan Didak, Craig says the Crows have few "untouchables" as he attempts to find more goalkicking power for a side which ranked 15th in scores (85.5 points a game) for this season.
"I think we need to refresh our forward line and bolster that area of our footy club," Craig said.
"Obviously there is a need for a key forward if we can find one and small forwards seem to be becoming more and more dominant in the AFL, so we'll look at that too.
"We saw what Geelong's smalls did on the weekend and from a fashionable point of view that sort of player has become pretty important."
Craig has small forwards Matthew Bode, whose Crows future is uncertain because of injury, and Jason Porplyzia at his disposal but neither is a big goalkicker.
"It's a matter of finding out who is available versus who's not on the (trade) table, but if you're asking if Didak satisfies our criteria when you talk about a small forward, yes he does," Craig said.
Speculation is rife that Didak could be seeking a return home to SA after becoming embroiled in off-field trouble in Melbourne this year.
At his end-of-season press conference, Craig yesterday indicated a desire to be far more active in trade talks than in previous years, where he has rebuilt through the draft.
But Craig, who in the past has been anti-trading, stressed that wanting to trade is one thing, being able to do it successfully is another.
"It's going to depend on what's available," he said, indicating the club would probably make five or six changes to its list.
"We're not going to go into trade week (from October 8-12) just to trade someone to show people that we can be aggressive. It's a matter of making sure whatever you trade for adds to your football club, not just keeps it the same."
Craig and the Crows had intended making a big splash for Fremantle captain and key forward Matthew Pavlich but he has been taken off the table after signing a new three-year deal with the Dockers.
While the Crows search for another key forward - Craig said Carlton Coleman Medallist Brendan Fevola probably did not fit the culture of the club - they appear certain to cut two of them loose.
Ian Perrie, whose knees are crippled, is likely to be delisted, while popular (with the fans) Ken McGregor appears up for trade.
He kicked four goals in Adelaide's elimination final defeat to Hawthorn but doesn't appear to have the coach's vote of confidence, being in and out of the side all season and prompting Craig to look elsewhere for his key forward needs. Craig said there already had been trade interest in several Crows players and that some tough decisions would be made.
"So there will be a fair bit of discussion with our players, not only about what we want but what the players want as well," he said. Craig didn't rule any trade out but he said it was unlikely rival clubs would offer big packages for established veterans such as Andrew McLeod and Tyson Edwards.
"They are not players they come to you about, it's more like a Ken McGregor," he said.
Adelaide will complete its player reviews and fitness assessments today before the players begin their eight weeks holiday. Craig said no delistings would be announced until after trade week.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22415041-21543,00.html


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Explosive Alan Didak takes a mark over Bomber Henry Slattery.

http://www.mantamedia.com.au/TheBench/CrowDidak.jpg
my "artists" impression

[jonesy86]

how would a trade of Didak for pick #10 and one of Bock/Van Berlo/Reilly sound?

considering that this years draft isn't very deep after the top 5-6 picks

[Stiffy_18]

how would a trade of Didak for pick #10 and one of Bock/Van Berlo/Reilly sound?

Stupid!

[thomo]

Hopefully Adelaide will target him aggrisivly. Would love to see Didak come to the crows

[Crowked]

how would a trade of Didak for pick #10 and one of Bock/Van Berlo/Reilly sound?

considering that this years draft isn't very deep after the top 5-6 picks

Um, no thanks. I have no doubt that would be a loss for the AFC.

I realise thats the sort of trade the Pies would want and wouldnt accept much less, but we would decrease the over all quality of our list with that trade.

The more I think about it, the less I want Didak. The cost is pretty clearly higher than the gain IMO.

[J-Ro-20]

The more I think about it, the less I want Didak. The cost is pretty clearly higher than the gain IMO.

Yes id agree there..

id like to see the crows try and lure Aaron Davey as channel 10 mentioned last nite he along with Didak are targets the crows are looking at.

[cro_Magnum]

how would a trade of Didak for pick #10 and one of Bock/Van Berlo/Reilly sound?

considering that this years draft isn't very deep after the top 5-6 picks
Trade Rule #1: Never trade with Collingwood

[jmorg1]

Trade Rule #1: Never trade with Collingwood or Port Adelaide

Fixed.

[bus24]

I've really cooled on this Didak trading idea.

IMHO, the time is now to rebuild through the draft. We should have traded in the 2 previous trade periods, when we were gunning for a premiership.

We're NOT in the race for a flag in the next few years. We need the picks to replace the Big 4.

AND some of the trades I've seen mooted for Didak would be an absolute DISASTER for us. Would just about cripple us long term and it wouldn't be long before we're sitting right down the bottom.

We CAN have a quick rebuild if we go about it the right way. If we don't it will be a 25 year rebuild.

[BlackDouglas]

Hopefully Adelaide will target him aggrisivly. Would love to see Didak come to the crows

Absolutely aggressively target him but wouldn’t go after him at any cost.

[Dandy_GO]

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5655052,00.jpg
Professional scumbag Alan Didak kicks yet another player in the back.

fixed.

[J-Ro-20]

fixed.

HAHAHAHHAHAH This actually made me laugh out loud at work. My boss probably thinks im a handicapped now!!

[smiddaz123]

People complain about Collingwood's tight arsed trading, but usually it is justified. Everyone complained when we refused to trade Didak for Stevens, and that payed off for us.

Didak was out best and fariest and all australian for a reason, he is one of the top small forwards going around. He had a knee re-co in the off season, this year was always going to be a bit down for him.

Lockyer had a knee re-co and only just got back to his best this year, it took him a couple of years to get there.

The Collingwood staff know this, they wont want to be ripped off in a trade, they'll only trade if its a guaranteed win for them.

Plus, it isn't like Didak wants to be traded is it? He imposed his own curfews and sanctions in order to stay a magpie. He certainly wont be forcing the Magpies to trade him.

Most likely scenario is Didak stays a magpie.

[Vader]

The Collingwood staff know this, they wont want to be ripped off in a trade, they'll only trade if its a guaranteed win for them.

And THAT is why nobody wants to trade with Collingwood. For a trade to work (and to be agreed to), it has to be perceived to be win-win (or win-win-win if 3 parties are involved).

No club likes to be taken advantage of, and if Collingwood aren't interested in trading unless they can take advantage of somebody else, then they can get stuffed!

[smiddaz123]

And THAT is why nobody wants to trade with Collingwood. For a trade to work (and to be agreed to), it has to be perceived to be win-win (or win-win-win if 3 parties are involved).

No club likes to be taken advantage of, and if Collingwood aren't interested in trading unless they can take advantage of somebody else, then they can get stuffed!

They don't trade needlessly.

Clubs don't trade to make the other club do they? AFL is about trying to get the edge on the other clubs, Collingwood try to do that as best they can. Sometimes they may want a bit too much, or want to give up too little, but if the other club isn't happy with it, they have every right to refuse.

What would you say is a reasonable trade offer for Didak?

[Vader]

They don't trade needlessly.

And nor should they. However, if the rumours are true that Didak DOES want to return home to SA, then they would be well advised to do so (and yes, I am aware he still has a year to run on his contract).

Clubs don't trade to make the other club do they? AFL is about trying to get the edge on the other clubs, Collingwood try to do that as best they can. Sometimes they may want a bit too much, or want to give up too little, but if the other club isn't happy with it, they have every right to refuse.

What would you say is a reasonable trade offer for Didak?

I think a direct swap of Thompson for Didak would be fair, as I outlined in another thread.

Didak is a former AA & club champion. Thompson could well become a club champion this year (likely to finish no worse than 2nd). Not quite similar players, but their credentials are not that different.

Of course, that's on the assumption that both players actually WANT to leave. I think both of us would rather we keep these exceptionally good young players right where they are.

You have to give up something of quality to gain something of quality. The problem is finding a balance, where both teams are happy that what they are giving up is roughly equivalent in value to what they are receiving.

[smiddaz123]

And nor should they. However, if the rumours are true that Didak DOES want to return home to SA, then they would be well advised to do so (and yes, I am aware he still has a year to run on his contract).



I think a direct swap of Thompson for Didak would be fair, as I outlined in another thread.

Didak is a former AA & club champion. Thompson could well become a club champion this year (likely to finish no worse than 2nd). Not quite similar players, but their credentials are not that different.

Of course, that's on the assumption that both players actually WANT to leave. I think both of us would rather we keep these exceptionally good young players right where they are.

You have to give up something of quality to gain something of quality. The problem is finding a balance, where both teams are happy that what they are giving up is roughly equivalent in value to what they are receiving.

I highly doubt Didak would want to leave since he imposed sanctions on himself, and appeared desperate to remain a Magpie.

If Didak wants to go home, and we have no choice to trade him, then Thompson for Didak would indeed be reasonable. But if Didak wants to remain a Pie, expect Collingwood to be EXTREMELY demanding in what they want for him. He is clever, skillful, has the x factor and is a crowd favourite.

I've been seeing trades posted by Adelaide fans that went along the lines of Bode + a 3rd rounder. Collingwood would laugh that trade off and probably not even dignify it with a response ;)

[SpringChoke]

And nor should they. However, if the rumours are true that Didak DOES want to return home to SA, then they would be well advised to do so (and yes, I am aware he still has a year to run on his contract).



I think a direct swap of Thompson for Didak would be fair, as I outlined in another thread.

Didak is a former AA & club champion. Thompson could well become a club champion this year (likely to finish no worse than 2nd). Not quite similar players, but their credentials are not that different.

Of course, that's on the assumption that both players actually WANT to leave. I think both of us would rather we keep these exceptionally good young players right where they are.

You have to give up something of quality to gain something of quality. The problem is finding a balance, where both teams are happy that what they are giving up is roughly equivalent in value to what they are receiving.

Thomson ????:confused:

[Capitalist]

I highly doubt Didak would want to leave since he imposed sanctions on himself, and appeared desperate to remain a Magpie.

If Didak wants to go home, and we have no choice to trade him, then Thompson for Didak would indeed be reasonable. But if Didak wants to remain a Pie, expect Collingwood to be EXTREMELY demanding in what they want for him. He is clever, skillful, has the x factor and is a crowd favourite.

I've been seeing trades posted by Adelaide fans that went along the lines of Bode + a 3rd rounder. Collingwood would laugh that trade off and probably not even dignify it with a response ;)

I don't mean to be rude - but how many collingwood posters have made the exact point your trying to make ? FFS we are not stupid, we all realise Didaks talent and we all realise its going to take something to get him to Adealide

And yes we do realise its speculation that he wants to leave, i'm sure he is desperate to stay with collingwood and would sacrfice his first child to stay loyal to the club that he has loved the whole time he has been there, but specualtion is speculation

and finally; luckily no-one from Bigfooty is going to be making an offer to Collingwood because this is a discussion board not the AFC or Collingwood boardroom so I hope you fell safe that we won't be laughed at by the colling wood board with some silly offer concieved on an internet forum.

[Vader]

Thomson ????:confused:

Apparently, someone started a rumour that he may ask for a transfer back to Melbourne. Something about his partner (and mother of his child) being homesick. No idea whether there is any truth to the rumour whatsoever.

I was asked what I would consider a fair trade - and this is what I would consider a fair trade for Didak.

Certainly Collingwood would be right to reject any or all of Meesen, Jericho, McGregor and Mattner - unless they were packaged with our #10 draft pick.

[smiddaz123]

I don't mean to be rude - but how many collingwood posters have made the exact point your trying to make ? FFS we are not stupid, we all realise Didaks talent and we all realise its going to take something to get him to Adealide

And yes we do realise its speculation that he wants to leave, i'm sure he is desperate to stay with collingwood and would sacrfice his first child to stay loyal to the club that he has loved the whole time he has been there, but specualtion is speculation

and also luckily no-one from Bigfooty is going to be making an offer to Collingwood because this is a discussion board not the AFC or Collingwood boardroom so I hope you fell safe that we won't be laughed at by the colling wood board with some silly offer concieved on an internet forum.
haha ok man, calm down, not trying to piss you off.

Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion :)

[SpringChoke]

Apparently, someone started a rumour that he may ask for a transfer back to Melbourne. Something about his partner (and mother of his child) being homesick. No idea whether there is any truth to the rumour whatsoever.

I was asked what I would consider a fair trade - and this is what I would consider a fair trade for Didak.

Certainly Collingwood would be right to reject any or all of Meesen, Jericho, McGregor and Mattner - unless they were packaged with our #10 draft pick.

Bl*ody hell, the last thing we need is to lose Thomson. He is one of the few quality players we have in the 24-29 age group.

If he does want to go back to Melbourne, to trade a potential top line midfielder for a player who is predominately a small forward would be a win for Collingwood, loss for us.

[Vader]

Bl*ody hell, the last thing we need is to lose Thomson. He is one of the few quality players we have in the 24-29 age group.

If he does want to go back to Melbourne, to trade a potential top line midfielder for a player who is predominately a small forward would be a win for Collingwood, loss for us.

Never said I wanted it to happen.

I agree that we should be doing everything in our power to prevent this from happening. Like you, I see Thompson as being one of our most important players & leading the midfield brigade for the next 5-6 years.

[jonesy86]

if the Scott Thompson rumour is true then that would be a fair trade both similar players, Thompson probably slightly more consistant but Didak more of a match winner

[Capitalist]

haha ok man, calm down, not trying to piss you off.

Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion :)

sorry - i get a bit carried away sometime :D

[Choc4Life]

When the talk of Fevola was raised as a trade to Adelaide many (including Trigg if I remember correctly) came out saying that he would have to fit in with the AFC's values - and effecively quashed the idea because of Fev's attitude/off field antics.

Didak also has a more than "colourful" history and would like to know how he would fit in the AFC value system and Fev wouldn't.

[SpringChoke]

Never said I wanted it to happen.

I agree that we should be doing everything in our power to prevent this from happening. Like you, I see Thompson as being one of our most important players & leading the midfield brigade for the next 5-6 years.

Agreed.

[Crow Envy]

apparently Didak is the right height for a match up on Franklin, hence Craigs desire to get him

[Dogga79]

They don't trade needlessly.


What would you say is a reasonable trade offer for Didak?

A first round pick and say, Meesen would be fair. If he wants to leave I think thats probably a fair deal. I know you want more but when players want to go home, which has happened to Adelaide several times there isn't much you can do to stop it. Nobody wants to re-live the Didak/ Stevens saga again where stubborness got everybody nowhere .

[- PC -]

When the talk of Fevola was raised as a trade to Adelaide many (including Trigg if I remember correctly) came out saying that he would have to fit in with the AFC's values - and effecively quashed the idea because of Fev's attitude/off field antics.

Didak also has a more than "colourful" history and would like to know how he would fit in the AFC value system and Fev wouldn't.

Thats my only concern

I would hope the club either does its due diligence or at least puts some conditions on his employment

Talented ...yes

[Capitalist]

anyone else see didak add $$$$ to his value and draft picks to the club cost if these rumours are true he wants to come home.

[SpringChoke]

anyone else see didak add $$$$ to his value and draft picks to the club cost if these rumours are true he wants to come home.

He's playing a top game tonight. What a game.

[Capitalist]

He's playing a top game tonight. What a game.

on that form I can't see him being able to go anywhere unless we pay through the nose.

[Crow Envy]

We have buckleys chance of getting Didak, excuse the pun

[crowsarethebest]

He was friken awwsome tonight. Kicked the crucial goal. He'd probably be one of the most hated players in the AFL though.

[Crow-mo]

Trade Rule #1: Never trade with Collingwood

why? we've done some decent deals with them in the past.

[J-Ro-20]

why? we've done some decent deals with them in the past.

i cant think of any?
i think people are more so talking about the nick stevens trade.

[vlbl]

After friday nights game i think the deal is all but closed. The pies won't want to let him go after what he did on the weekend. Even if they did, we'd lose out big time from that trade and in the end it might not be worth it, especially becasue they might want the likes of knights and douglas and shove in a 1st rounder. We'll lose out more then freo did in the tarrant deal and thats saying somthing.

[King Elvis]

When the talk of Fevola was raised as a trade to Adelaide many (including Trigg if I remember correctly) came out saying that he would have to fit in with the AFC's values - and effecively quashed the idea because of Fev's attitude/off field antics.

Didak also has a more than "colourful" history and would like to know how he would fit in the AFC value system and Fev wouldn't.

Exactly how I feel.

[Crow-mo]

i cant think of any?
i think people are more so talking about the nick stevens trade.

we've dealt with Collingwood as much as many clubs.
jonathan ross
brenton sanderson
Pick 3, 1998 (agreed, damn you clay sampson)
chad Rintoul

[Mong]

Freo last year traded with Collingwood too and most thought Freo got a good deal. I am sick of people saying don't trade with Collingwood. It really is a dumb thing to say. And there is nothing wrong with what Collingwood did in the Nick Stevens situation. It's what we should have done with Carey - offered less than we did.

Anyway, I'm sure Didak isn't going anywhere. Collingwood won't let him go while contracted and nor should they.

[BlackDouglas]

we've dealt with Collingwood as much as many clubs.
jonathan ross
brenton sanderson
Pick 3, 1998 (agreed, damn you clay sampson)
chad Rintoul

Chad Rintoul went to West Coast (1999 – 2001) after his time at Adelaide (1997-1999) and then was on traded to Collingwood (2001-2001). We never traded him to Collingwood; we traded him to West Coast

But what you have said is correct and if the right deal came about we should certainly do a deal with Collingwood.

[Crow-mo]

Chad Rintoul went to West Coast (1999 – 2001) after his time at Adelaide (1997-1999) and then was on traded to Collingwood (2001-2001). We never traded him to Collingwood; we traded him to West Coast

But what you have said is correct and if the right deal came about we should certainly do a deal with Collingwood.

ok my bad. Rintoul was in the original trade with Collingwood.

[cocka]

They don't trade needlessly.

What would you say is a reasonable trade offer for Didak?

What abouth McGregor and Pick 10 to Bulldogs for their Pick 5.
Pick 5 for Didak.
Then they will parcel up pick 5 to try and get Judd.

[Hells K1tch3n]

As part of a massive 5 team trade i thought up. basically as far as the crows are concerned:

Van berlo, Macgregor (Wants to go, please remember this bit) and your first rounder.

FOR

Didak, pick 13 (WC's first) and Collingwoods 2nd round pick

Effectively Didak and a 2nd rounder for VB, a player who wants to leave and a slight down grade on your first rounder

[Stiffy_18]

As part of a massive 5 team trade i thought up. basically as far as the crows are concerned:

Van berlo, Macgregor (Wants to go, please remember this bit) and your first rounder.

FOR

Didak, pick 13 (WC's first) and Collingwoods 2nd round pick

Effectively Didak and a 2nd rounder for VB, a player who wants to leave and a slight down grade on your first rounder
Whats with this wants to leave business that people ALWAYS bring up when discussing trades. As much as people like to point to "he wants to leave" to drive their own agenda in thinking that the player in question can be had for next to nothing, its is FAR FAR away from reality.

A lot of players want to leave and when its all said and done, majority of trades that go down are trade and reflective of true market value regardless of whether player wants to leave or not.

Stenglein wanted to leave and we got a very fair compensation for him. Thompson wanted to leave Melbourne and they got a fair compensation for him even though we were half a chance of picking him up in the PSD draft.

This crap that people come up with every year is laughable. For every Nick Stevens scenario, there are hundreds of deals that get done and for a fair market value regardless of whether or not the player wants to leave or not.

[J-Ro-20]

What abouth McGregor and Pick 10 to Bulldogs for their Pick 5.
Pick 5 for Didak.
Then they will parcel up pick 5 to try and get Judd.

seems pretty logical to me. Im all for it...
well done cocka

[ams4crows]

you see that does sound good but don't we really want a young gun midfielder hence why we want to upgrade our pick to get someone like Ebert

[macca23]

you see that does sound good but don't we really want a young gun midfielder hence why we want to upgrade our pick to get someone like Ebert

Yes we do.

I would spew if we got draft pick 5 and traded it on. :thumbsd:

[cocka]

you see that does sound good but don't we really want a young gun midfielder hence why we want to upgrade our pick to get someone like Ebert

I thought we (Craig) we're after a tall and small forward (the starting point of this thread). :confused: Anywho, a young gun midfielder would be good, but what guarantees us this? Pick 5 I grant you is a good start, but no guarantee. If you land Didak that is (IMO) a GUN small forward guaranteed, and I think Pick 10 and McGregor is fair value.

[CrowHop]

Yes we do.

I would spew if we got draft pick 5 and traded it on. :thumbsd:

Unless of course it was for a quality midfielder such as Adam Cooney or Ryan Griffen :thumbsu:

[macca23]

Unless of course it was for a quality midfielder such as Adam Cooney or Ryan Griffen :thumbsu:

Accepted! :thumbsu:

[SingaporeSling]

What abouth McGregor and Pick 10 to Bulldogs for their Pick 5.
Pick 5 for Didak.
Then they will parcel up pick 5 to try and get Judd.

Kenny is worth only a 3rd - 4th rounder at best not a trade down in the first round. Nice player but injuries are mounting and not the player he once was, with only 8 games in 2007.

Still key position players attract a premium ...

As a fan of Mr Craig, Like to see Crows address some young on baller needs given age of the of the great trio mcleod , goodwin and edwards and guys like Burton, Torney creeping into that age category.

[dyertribe]

Kenny is worth only a 3rd - 4th rounder at best not a trade down in the first round. Nice player but injuries are mounting and not the player he once was.

He's worth a 2nd rounder at the very least, especially to clubs who are crying out for a contested marking swingman.