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14 Sep 2007, 10:55
Seriously when is he going to pull his head of out his ass about his matchday coaching in the elimination final. It was bad, just admit it and actually learn from it, more people will be impressed if he came out and admitted he was wrong rather than trying to justify it being correct and learning nothing from the mistakes that were made.
If he looks at things being a great learning experience then he must learn and as grow as well.
I am getting annoyed hearing and reading justification for his decisions rather than saying something like "well they are things that have happened that we cant change, but we will analyse them, find where we went wrong both up in the coaches box and on the field and learn and grow from it".
SpringChoke
14 Sep 2007, 11:07
The last 18 months haven't been good for Craigy. Yeah he's been good with the number of injuries we have had to endure, but there are also glaring weaknesses that "hasn't he done a great job with an ordinary list" can no longer hide:
1) Matchday coaching.
2) Wasting of a quality wingman in Marty Mattner.
3) Failure to bring more teenagers into the club. A promise he is still yet to deliver on.
4) The use of newbies. The way first gamer Campbell was treated was a disgrace.
5) Ayres like (probably more so) stubborness. He says if he had his time again, he would still play Massie on Franklin is both arrogant and stupid. Insulting to the AFC supporterbase.
6) Lack of daring. Why not try Johncock or Mattner in the middle.
You're losing me Craigy.
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 15:31
Methinks not lately.
He has stubbornly said everything he did was right, and he seems to be getting the full support of the board.
Such disastrous finals coaching surely deserves a private rebuke from the board and a public statement of contrition from Craig. So we realise they at least accept some blame.
I'm agreeing with all of Rucci's articles lately. Scary.
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14 Sep 2007, 15:49
Rucci is taking some pot shots, but in this case they are valid. As I said in another post Craig needs to pull his head out of his ass in relation to some of his matchday coaching.
Sitting there claiming all is well and trying to justify that everthing he does is right will get him and us nowhere.
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 15:58
It's worrying that Jonas wants to get out of the box and work with the youngsters but is being refused. Why does he want to get out and why is he being refused?
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 16:22
Methinks not lately.
He has stubbornly said everything he did was right, and he seems to be getting the full support of the board.
Such disastrous finals coaching surely deserves a private rebuke from the board and a public statement of contrition from Craig. So we realise they at least accept some blame.
I'm agreeing with all of Rucci's articles lately. Scary.
no offence that says alot more about you that it does Rucci.
It looks like Rucci ability to have an influence at AFC continues. Thanks largely to the supporters :rolleyes:
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 16:33
Sometimes Rucci is right. And this time he is.
Optimistic Crow
14 Sep 2007, 16:47
Neil Craig's attitude reminds me of this quote by Benjamin Franklin;
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 17:06
Sometimes Rucci is right. And this time he is.
to me this board has a love hate relationship with Rucci
Hate him when were are up, everything he says is garbage etc etc
as soon as we have a bad year, Rucci all of a sudden is on the money and everyone uses his articles as points when arguing why our coach sucks and people who don't agree have their head in the sand, despite the logical answers Craig offers (which seems to be acceptable when we win).
this was exactly the same with Aryes, Rucci starts the crap and the supporters follow) Rucci must laugh at posters on this board who continually rubbish him, then support his garbage when the chips are down. F***'n fickle, thats all I can say.
Crowaholic
14 Sep 2007, 17:15
Methinks not lately.
He has stubbornly said everything he did was right, and he seems to be getting the full support of the board.
Such disastrous finals coaching surely deserves a private rebuke from the board and a public statement of contrition from Craig. So we realise they at least accept some blame.
I'm agreeing with all of Rucci's articles lately. Scary.
Oh god, don't be ridiculous! The disasterous finals were because of diasterous play. What do you want Craig to do, go out there and play the game for them!!?! The whole point, is that they played rubbish football. Craig can't get out of the box everytime a player marks the ball infront of goals and go and kick it for them can he!
Rucci is pathetic, he just has to try and put us down because he has low self esteem because he looks like a nerdy turtle!
I think it's pathetic how just because we lost everyone turns on Neil. Not true supporters. Did he make some bad decisions? Yes, but did he lose the match for us? No! The Players did that themselves! :mad:
Sometimes Rucci is right but if people dont agree with him thats their choice. Rucci will always find something negative to write about the Crows either in good years or bad years. Even most of my extended family that are Port supporters think that he is a joke.
AndrewJo
14 Sep 2007, 18:19
Rucci is taking some pot shots, but in this case they are valid. As I said in another post Craig needs to pull his head out of his ass in relation to some of his matchday coaching.
Sitting there claiming all is well and trying to justify that everthing he does is right will get him and us nowhere.
I disagree with much of the negative comments about Neil Craig on this board. In his press conference he admitted that there were areas that can be improved and he also explained some of the tactics in this game. I admire the guy for the positive way that he has handled negativity from Some supporters and the media (Rooch and Chris Mac in particular).
Given the injuries this year I believe we have been given some great moments, even though we lost the final match. Some of the clangers by players cost us the match, not the coach. Luck plays a big part in football and with an ounce of it we would have been playing this week.
Look at the coaches around and I still rate Neil Craig as one of the best.
I have been disappointed by the lack of loyalty and respect shown by some of the supporters in the media this week. Rooch must be loving this feral element that has surfaced this week. I though our club had a bit of class. I still think it has but it has suffered a bit this week by the reaction of a few. As they say "empty drums make the most sound".
Of course he is accountable. What rubbish you write:thumbsd:
He is accountable to the Board. The Board , publically, back him. We, and especially you, nor Rucci , dont know what is said behind closed doors...and dont pretend you do
Welcome back ... you took 5 days longer than I thought :thumbsd:
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 18:53
to me this board has a love hate relationship with Rucci
Hate him when were are up, everything he says is garbage etc etc
Because often it is garbage. Because all he does is talk about negatives.
as soon as we have a bad year, Rucci all of a sudden is on the money and everyone uses his articles as points when arguing why our coach sucks and people who don't agree have their head in the sand, despite the logical answers Craig offers (which seems to be acceptable when we win).
Craig doesn't have logical answers. He has ridiculous media spun sweet nothings. They don't 'answer' anything, they just avoid the issue.
If you think that's logical, maybe you should be working for Crosby & Textor.
this was exactly the same with Aryes, Rucci starts the crap and the supporters follow) Rucci must laugh at posters on this board who continually rubbish him, then support his garbage when the chips are down. F***'n fickle, thats all I can say.
It's nothing to do with that.
I'm not saying all the negative stuff is right. I'm saying that what he has written recently has been on the money.
Ruminate on that.
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 18:55
Of course he is accountable. What rubbish you write:thumbsd:
He is accountable to the Board. The Board , publically, back him. We, and especially you, nor Rucci , dont know what is said behind closed doors...and dont pretend you do
Welcome back ... you took 5 days longer than I thought :thumbsd:
Don't worry, I've been reading the board occasionally despite not posting, and I notice your typical grumpy and self-important demeanour hasn't exactly made you endeared to anyone lately.
Typical response from you, not even considering that you might be wrong.
Cove Cobra
14 Sep 2007, 19:12
Yes. To a certain degree. The match up betwen Massie n Buddy was all wrong. You try alternatives when a mix-up occurs. It happened. We didn't adjust.
Coaching error.
Playing the Roo. IMO they played Roo for all the wrong reasons. The bloke was not fit for full AFL footy. 1 man down.
Selection error.
Players having 'down' games. McLeod, Edwards etc. Did the opposition match up well? Yes. Did we make necessary changes? Minimal.
Coaching error.
Not enough moves were made to ruffle the Hawks feathers IMO.
Check out 97, 98. Blight could turn the side upside down.
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 19:18
Because often it is garbage. Because all he does is talk about negatives.
Craig doesn't have logical answers. He has ridiculous media spun sweet nothings. They don't 'answer' anything, they just avoid the issue.
If you think that's logical, maybe you should be working for Crosby & Textor.
It's nothing to do with that.
I'm not saying all the negative stuff is right. I'm saying that what he has written recently has been on the money.
Ruminate on that.
I'm saying its the same old rubbish - you have just changed your views to agree with him
- if you listen to his discussion re: Massie v Franlklin it makes sense from a qtr to qtr basis as well as saying Roughhead seemed like the one to watch. Hindsight is great but Craig didn't know the whole team was going to submit like it did in the last qtr. I'm happy with what NC did during that match. Not i'm not a rose glass supporter.
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 19:21
I'm saying its the same old rubbish - you have just changed your views to agree with him
Not at all. While I disagree with a lot of what Rucci writes, he certainly doesn't say the same thing over and over again.
- if you listen to his discussion re: Massie v Franlklin it makes sense from a qtr to qtr basis as well as saying Roughhead seemed like the one to watch. Hindsight is great but Craig didn't know the whole team was going to submit like it did in the last qtr. I'm happy with what NC did during that match. Not i'm not a rose glass supporter.
It doesn't make sense at all. No amount of spin and self-promotion can change the fact it was an awful match-up to start with and a match-up that should have been changed as soon as the first quarter. We have a truly abysmal coach if he thinks Franklin dropping marks when well ahead of Massie on the lead is due to anything Massie did.
A good coach is PROactive, not REactive. Franklin's unfulfilled dominance of Massie in the first quarter should have been enough of a portent to make a change.
dyertribe
14 Sep 2007, 19:29
I'm saying its the same old rubbish - you have just changed your views to agree with him.
Just assuming it is 'the same old rubbish', what if he was right all along?
Don't worry, I've been reading the board occasionally despite not posting, and I notice your typical grumpy and self-important demeanour hasn't exactly made you endeared to anyone lately.
Typical response from you, not even considering that you might be wrong.
So now you have that off your chest..would you like to respond to my point...my correct point... that he is accountable to the Board.
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 19:35
Not at all. While I disagree with a lot of what Rucci writes, he certainly doesn't say the same thing over and over again.
It doesn't make sense at all. No amount of spin and self-promotion can change the fact it was an awful match-up to start with and a match-up that should have been changed as soon as the first quarter. We have a truly abysmal coach if he thinks Franklin dropping marks when well ahead of Massie on the lead is due to anything Massie did.
A good coach is PROactive, not REactive. Franklin's unfulfilled dominance of Massie in the first quarter should have been enough of a portent to make a change.
Firstly
Craig is essential neither of these two things if you look at the complaints that you are your buddies have.
Secondly
You can't win every position to win a game, you do lose 1 position - i 1 player kicks 7 goals and the team loses what the damage ? 35 seconds longer at it wouldn't have mattered, it was a move which Craig deemed the team benefit obviously out weighed the team/ negative.
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 19:37
Just assuming it is 'the same old rubbish', what if he was right all along?
FFS you can't be serious :rolleyes:
dyertribe
14 Sep 2007, 19:41
FFS you can't be serious :rolleyes:
Just asking the question. Naked Roochey bashing is so passe.
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 19:43
Just asking the question. Naked Roochey bashing is so passe.
:eek:
what happened to Old School being cool :(
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 19:55
So now you have that off your chest..would you like to respond to my point...my correct point... that he is accountable to the Board.
It may not be correct. That's what I'm asking. You don't know. You just go along in your little 'everything AFC does is right and good' and let's not speak further of it. :)
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 19:56
Firstly
Craig is essential neither of these two things if you look at the complaints that you are your buddies have.
Yup.
Secondly
You can't win every position to win a game, you do lose 1 position - i 1 player kicks 7 goals and the team loses what the damage ? 35 seconds longer at it wouldn't have mattered, it was a move which Craig deemed the team benefit obviously out weighed the team/ negative.
Franklin was tearing the game apart and brought them back into the game. Of course it bloody mattered.
It may not be correct. That's what I'm asking. You don't know. You just go along in your little 'everything AFC does is right and good' and let's not speak further of it. :)
Who else is he accountable to? The SANFL?
just maybe
14 Sep 2007, 19:58
Who else is he accountable to? The SANFL?
Read the OP question.
Methinks not lately.
He has stubbornly said everything he did was right, and he seems to be getting the full support of the board.
Such disastrous finals coaching surely deserves a private rebuke from the board and a public statement of contrition from Craig. So we realise they at least accept some blame.
I'm agreeing with all of Rucci's articles lately. Scary.
Read the OP question.
Yeah I was right, you think he is also accountable to the Board. So why the argument?
Ohhhhhh you want him to personally visit you and say he was sorry? If he doesnt feel he is wrong how can he apologise?
Capitalist
14 Sep 2007, 20:04
Yup.
so whats your complaint then.
Franklin was tearing the game apart and brought them back into the game. Of course it bloody mattered
So Hodge, Crawford and Roughhead had nothing to do with or our complete lack of intensity in the last qtr ?
CrowMagnum
14 Sep 2007, 23:21
Everyone's accountable at the end of their contract.
Premiership = contract extension.
No premiership = no job. Will he walk or will he be pushed?
NikkiNoo
14 Sep 2007, 23:44
Everyone's accountable at the end of their contract.
Premiership = contract extension.
No premiership = no job. Will he walk or will he be pushed?
So many coaches would be out of a job at the end of each of their contracts under that theory.
CrowMagnum
15 Sep 2007, 00:49
So many coaches would be out of a job at the end of each of their contracts under that theory.
I'm talking about Craig in particualar.
After so many near misses and the flack he's copped now, I doubt that anything less than a flag will save him when the contract's up. His continued obstinancy over the years has cost him a lot of credit points. Triggy was very unhappy, and I don't think it was just at the players.
NikkiNoo
15 Sep 2007, 00:51
I'm talking about Craig in particualar.
After so many near misses and the flack he's copped now, I doubt that anything less than a flag will save him when the contract's up. His continued obstinancy over the years has cost him a lot of credit points. Triggy was very unhappy, and I don't think it was just at the players.
You are comparing a coach that has only been an AFL coach for 3 years and saying that he's spent all his brownie points? That is just plain ridiculous. So many near misses - 2 by my count.
CrowMagnum
15 Sep 2007, 01:02
You are comparing a coach that has only been an AFL coach for 3 years and saying that he's spent all his brownie points? That is just plain ridiculous. So many near misses - 2 by my count.
No I'm talking about a coach who will have been there for 5 years by the time his contract is up. If he's got us a flag by then he'll stay, if not then the history of the club says he'll go.
Love 5AA after a Crows loss.... I hate my second team losing but some of the fans are laughable
Its hard for a coach to change his style... Craigy is a good prep coach (probably one of the best) and not so great game day results
Whats preferable though???? Having good prep which means you're a chance for a win, or good game day coaching which doesn't count for sh!t if the team is unprepared or prepared badly.
CrowMagnum
15 Sep 2007, 01:15
Love 5AA after a Crows loss.... I hate my second team losing but some of the fans are laughable
Its hard for a coach to change his style... Craigy is a good prep coach (probably one of the best) and not so great game day results
Whats preferable though???? Having good prep which means you're a chance for a win, or good game day coaching which doesn't count for sh!t if the team is unprepared or prepared badly.
An AFL coach should be able to do both, just like an AFL player should be able to both mark and kick not just one of the two.
We're not talking rocket science here either. Most of the tactics he's been criticised for are pretty obvious to anyone who knows football. And if you don't do it so well, listen to your assistant coaches.
jenny61_99
15 Sep 2007, 01:26
Name me a coach that has it all. Match day nouse and player development. Is there such a beast? EVERY coach, no matter how good, has weaknesses. Craig has harnassed his strengths to counter-act his weaknesses and until this year, it worked nicely thanks very much. He does make moves... Ive seen him do it in some games. Not in others. His reasoning and rationale behind why he doesn't do what everyone else thinks is logical, even sounds logical when you read them. But I would bet my bottom dollar, that even the very best coach (whoever that may be) had weaknesses too.
An AFL coach should be able to do both, just like an AFL player should be able to both mark and kick not just one of the two.
We're not talking rocket science here either. Most of the tactics he's been criticised for are pretty obvious to anyone who knows football. And if you don't do it so well, listen to your assistant coaches.How many coaches CAN actually competently do both??? And considering Adelaide's list, some tactics are always going to more successful than others..... I can't image Crows giving no credit for the defence and winning... Crows can;t win via attack, most of their strength comes from defence.... Key defensive losses hurt this year especailly Bassett who would have done wonders against the Hawks....
EDIT - Yes sometimes I do think coaches are overrated though
Drummond
15 Sep 2007, 01:48
Name me a coach that has it all. Match day nouse and player development. Is there such a beast? EVERY coach, no matter how good, has weaknesses.
Of course every coach has weaknesses, but not too many, at least not the successful ones, would leave Massie on Franklin and single handedly watch him knock us out of the finals.
Craig has harnassed his strengths to counter-act his weaknesses and until this year, it worked nicely thanks very much. He does make moves... Ive seen him do it in some games. Not in others
Wow! :eek: Really?
His reasoning and rationale behind why he doesn't do what everyone else thinks is logical, even sounds logical when you read them.
Really? Because to me, it's the same old response time after time. "We'll learn from it", when clearly we're not learning. If we were, why would we continously find ourselves in the same position?
jenny61_99
15 Sep 2007, 01:53
Drummond.... Craig's strengths are his player development, fitness training and preparation. He has a game plan and trains them accordingly. On some match days he DOES make moves... many of you say he never makes a move, well that's plainly untrue. But I am telling you, the coach that may very well have made that move on match day, may not have even got this team of misfits into the finals in the first place due to his inferior preparation and development.
What we miss on the swing, we gain on the round-a-bout.
earlsta
15 Sep 2007, 02:04
Drummond.... Craig's strengths are his player development, fitness training and preparation. He has a game plan and trains them accordingly. On some match days he DOES make moves... many of you say he never makes a move, well that's plainly untrue. But I am telling you, the coach that may very well have made that move on match day, may not have even got this team of misfits into the finals in the first place due to his inferior preparation and development.
What we miss on the swing, we gain on the round-a-bout.
lol, funniest read ever.
1. Perrie, Doughty etc should not have played a single game this year if Craig's strengths were his player development.
2. Who doesn't make moves on match days? lol!
out of order
15 Sep 2007, 02:07
Name me a coach that has it all. Match day nouse and player development. Is there such a beast? EVERY coach, no matter how good, has weaknesses. Craig has harnassed his strengths to counter-act his weaknesses and until this year, it worked nicely thanks very much. He does make moves... Ive seen him do it in some games. Not in others. His reasoning and rationale behind why he doesn't do what everyone else thinks is logical, even sounds logical when you read them. But I would bet my bottom dollar, that even the very best coach (whoever that may be) had weaknesses too.
yep i agree. He can coach the club as long as he wants imo.
Crow-mo
15 Sep 2007, 03:51
So now you have that off your chest..would you like to respond to my point...my correct point... that he is accountable to the Board.
fairly redundant statement though.
Crow-mo
15 Sep 2007, 03:52
You are comparing a coach that has only been an AFL coach for 3 years and saying that he's spent all his brownie points? That is just plain ridiculous. So many near misses - 2 by my count.
agree. by that standard.
have we really progressed? you'd start to wonder...
CrowMagnum
15 Sep 2007, 12:38
How many coaches CAN actually competently do both???
The ones that win a premiership
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 12:46
Yeah I was right, you think he is also accountable to the Board. So why the argument?
No, I didn't say that at all. Let's not make things up now.
Ohhhhhh you want him to personally visit you and say he was sorry? If he doesnt feel he is wrong how can he apologise?
And therein lies the problem.
Done with you, thanks.
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 12:57
Love 5AA after a Crows loss.... I hate my second team losing but some of the fans are laughable
Its hard for a coach to change his style... Craigy is a good prep coach (probably one of the best) and not so great game day results
Whats preferable though???? Having good prep which means you're a chance for a win, or good game day coaching which doesn't count for sh!t if the team is unprepared or prepared badly.
Except that it recent times our team has been unprepared or prepared badly.
Our skills are the worst they've been in many a year. That's Craig's responsibility. Maybe he should put down the Zen Recovery Techniques book and start ensuring our team is up to scratch with their skills.
King Elvis
15 Sep 2007, 13:35
Mattner just doesn't have the football brain. People forget his brain fades were an issue when he played on the wing, regardless of whether he's better in that position than defense.
Trade him - package him with McGregor or Jericho or Doughty, get a good draft pick or something.
Burton is a stupid footballer as well, but that doesn't mean he isn't a bloody good footballer on his day.
Mattner has brain fades, we all know it - but at least his brain fades generally occur when he's got the ball in hand and is running hard into the forwardlines with it; I'd rather we didn't crucify a bloke who actually took risks and try to take the opposition on.
The press conference worried me, if he could live the day over again, he wouldn't make any changes?
So we'd lose again.
King Elvis
15 Sep 2007, 13:48
What I found very interesting was the report that Jonas in the second quarter suggested moving someone else onto Franklin, and the suggestion was ignored.
Didn't we recruit Jonas for his match day instincts, and to make calls like that?
Craig at times, wants to have his cake and eat it too.
If he's got the right people in the right places (like Jonas), why isn't he listening to them?
If he has such strong faith in his players, why doesn't he show that faith in his assistant coaches when they throw up a move?
If every game is a learning experience, why isn't our Coach learning from HIS mistakes?
If we demand flexibility from players like Mattner, why do we not demand the same from our Coach?
I've said it many a times - I love Craigy, and I want him to be our Coach for a long time; but he is not perfect, and if he can't identify his own failings and rectify them, then I doubt he'll be the ten year coach that most of us want him to be.
King Elvis
15 Sep 2007, 13:52
Mattner is not as good a player as Burton, nowhere near it. Trade him.
He is when he's played in position.
I expect he'll request a trade, unfortunately.
CrowMagnum
15 Sep 2007, 14:03
Drummond.... Craig's strengths are his player development, fitness training and preparation. He has a game plan and trains them accordingly. On some match days he DOES make moves... many of you say he never makes a move, well that's plainly untrue. But I am telling you, the coach that may very well have made that move on match day, may not have even got this team of misfits into the finals in the first place due to his inferior preparation and development.
What we miss on the swing, we gain on the round-a-bout.
I'm not convinced about this best preparation and development thing.
Our skills were quite poor in many games this year and cost us wins, and we ran out of puff in the last quarter against Hawthorn when they ran all over us, so our fitness level has to be questioned.
As for player development, Port have undoubtedly been better than us this year, and I suspect there are other teams ahead of us in recent times.
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 14:09
Well said, KE.
What I found very interesting was the report that Jonas in the second quarter suggested moving someone else onto Franklin, and the suggestion was ignored.
Didn't we recruit Jonas for his match day instincts, and to make calls like that?
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We recruited Jonas to give his opinions... NC has stated he will take all comments on board and then make the final decision. So yes while Jonas made the call it doesnt mean NC has to do the change
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 14:13
Drummond.... Craig's strengths are his player development, fitness training and preparation.
Pretty weak strengths then.
I've seen little 'player development' in his time. I've seen a lot of squeezing the life out of the old list, but little development of the new players, unless his hand is forced.
Fitness training has turned into an absolute disaster. After all the hype about 'loading', we've had one of the highest injury rates in the comp. Unless you want to sit with you fingers in your ears, you're going to admit that a fitness training affects susceptibility to injury.
As for preparation...the most disastrous of all. Our team has gone from one of the most skilled in the comp to an embarrassing schoolyard rabble this year. Craig has forgotten that a team needs to have skills. And he has forgotten that he needs to have more than one gameplan.
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 14:14
We recruited Jonas to give his opinions... NC has stated he will take all comments on board and then make the final decision. So yes while Jonas made the call it doesnt mean NC has to do the change
Maybe he should start taking the advice of people who are recruited for their match-day nous and actually have match-day nous.
Maybe he should start taking the advice of people who are recruited for their match-day nous and actually have match-day nous.
Agreed
Except that it recent times our team has been unprepared or prepared badly.
Our skills are the worst they've been in many a year. That's Craig's responsibility. Maybe he should put down the Zen Recovery Techniques book and start ensuring our team is up to scratch with their skills.
Too much science and technology going into it..... It ain't that important, not important at all really.
Our team has gone from one of the most skilled in the comp to an embarrassing schoolyard rabble this year. Craig has forgotten that a team needs to have skills. And he has forgotten that he needs to have more than one gameplan.
That is due to the lack of confidence at times due to those prelim final defeats to the Eagles. We struggled mentally this year and we are 6-16 in close games since 2003 (this dosent include 2005). But thank you very much for a vintage white backed jumper Collingwood beating West Coast last night. Hopefully the Eagles will collapse next year and we will rise back to contention.
just maybe
15 Sep 2007, 20:24
That is due to the lack of confidence at times due to those prelim final defeats to the Eagles. We struggled mentally this year and we are 6-16 in close games since 2003 (this dosent include 2005). But thank you very much for a vintage white backed jumper Collingwood beating West Coast last night. Hopefully the Eagles will collapse next year and we will rise back to contention.
It's not just due to that at all. Your skills don't just desert you through a couple of prelim final defeats. They desert you through lack of practice.
Crow-mo
16 Sep 2007, 05:03
If he's got the right people in the right places (like Jonas), why isn't he listening to them?
If he has such strong faith in his players, why doesn't he show that faith in his assistant coaches when they throw up a move?
that's precisely what I was saying about the collins references.
Crow-mo
16 Sep 2007, 05:05
So yes while Jonas made the call it doesnt mean NC has to do the change
that's a slight misrepresentation of what is being said. no one denies this, however, what is being said is that he has to wear it too.
not cling like to blanky and hope the criticism will go away.
tell me why he should have listened to jonas. At half time franklin had 4 goals. One from a free (from torney), one from a snap, and two from marks. Then in the third quarter massie kicked his arse, franklin 2 possesions, and gave away 2 50m penalties. At this stage massie on top. 4th quarter, we all no what happened 3 goals, two from outside 50 and one with scott stevens on him. The delivery to franklin at times was awesome. No one in our team could have stopped him on those leads. Bock, great player, but not fast enough and has the turning circle of queen mary. Stevens - no, Rutten - no.
Massie had 5 goals that could be attributed to him. NC blames other players defense for some of them. Franklin is a freak, and the delivery to him was awesome.
Interesting to see who north put on him last night. Not their biggest and best defenders pratt and watt, but their fastest, gibson 189cm (massie 188cm). The delivery was no where near as good to him last night, primarily because of up field pressure, that is where we lost it, not massie.
Massie was still the right player to play on him despite him getting beaten in the end. Massie getting beaten does not make it the wrong decision. It would only be the wrong decision if there was someone else that could do a better job. NC knows his players and their limitations a lot better than us. I agree with him, we did not have another player that could do better.
just maybe
16 Sep 2007, 15:18
tell me why he should have listened to jonas. At half time franklin had 4 goals. One from a free (from torney), one from a snap, and two from marks. Then in the third quarter massie kicked his arse, franklin 2 possesions, and gave away 2 50m penalties. At this stage massie on top. 4th quarter, we all no what happened 3 goals, two from outside 50 and one with scott stevens on him. The delivery to franklin at times was awesome. No one in our team could have stopped him on those leads. Bock, great player, but not fast enough and has the turning circle of queen mary. Stevens - no, Rutten - no.
Massie had 5 goals that could be attributed to him. NC blames other players defense for some of them. Franklin is a freak, and the delivery to him was awesome.
Interesting to see who north put on him last night. Not their biggest and best defenders pratt and watt, but their fastest, gibson 189cm (massie 188cm). The delivery was no where near as good to him last night, primarily because of up field pressure, that is where we lost it, not massie.
Massie was still the right player to play on him despite him getting beaten in the end. Massie getting beaten does not make it the wrong decision. It would only be the wrong decision if there was someone else that could do a better job. NC knows his players and their limitations a lot better than us. I agree with him, we did not have another player that could do better.
Rubbish. Stevens was far more suited. Quicker than Massie and better height.
Franklin mauled Massie. Outmarked him, outplayed him in every respect. He was NEVER the right match-up. NEVER. What an awful suggestion.
It could have been 12 goals if Franklin had held his marks in the first quarter.
King Elvis
16 Sep 2007, 15:42
that's precisely what I was saying about the collins references.
I couldn't really care less what you say anymore CrowMo.
Last night showed that Buddy isn't as unstoppable as everyone claims he is.
He got rattled, he got frustrated, and while he still played a good game, he wasn't the gamebreaker he was against us.
Crow-mo
16 Sep 2007, 18:26
I couldn't really care less what you say anymore CrowMo.
and yet you adopt my views as your own? confused much? :p
what a completely defensive and inappropriate response, to a comment that was essentially agreeing with you (me) ;)
Last night showed that Buddy isn't as unstoppable as everyone claims he is.
He got rattled, he got frustrated, and while he still played a good game, he wasn't the gamebreaker he was against us.
um... how many marks did Buddy drop? it was measured, how many?
there's your answer.