View Full Version : Brent Staker - Why the Discontent?
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 03:14
From what I witnessed tonight he was more than servicable. The only foward who looked like he knew what he was doing as the ball was on its way.
Starting in the middle and gave West Coast a presence at the stoppages, excellent with his tackling.
Fairl clean footskills and worked as hard as a CHF could who had played the first quarter of final in the centre clearances.
Underdog
15 Sep 2007, 03:22
indeed - solid game by him
18 disposals, 6 marks and 5 tackles is handy.
Staker is a genuine 3rd tall, not a KP player. So when Hansen went down he was forced to play as one. He is clearly not suited to the role. But he did a solid job tonight.
TheBigUnit
15 Sep 2007, 03:25
I was pleased with his performance. I think most supporters expect too much of him.
94_Eagles
15 Sep 2007, 03:33
At least he doesn't miss 50% of a season unlike his Victorian House-mate.
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 03:33
I thought he was very impressive around the ball. Positions himself well and creates a lot of space.
Tackles well and can find the ball if he needs to. Incredibly versatile, but I think the time may have come where he needs to make one spot his own.
I think most supporters expect too much of him.
That's how I feel. Maybe other clubs are the same, but WCE supporters seem to be very unforgiving to me.:confused:
Special Agent
15 Sep 2007, 03:36
I thought that he was alright tonight.
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Sep 2007, 04:03
Staker is a genuine 3rd tall, not a KP player. So when Hansen went down he was forced to play as one. He is clearly not suited to the role. But he did a solid job tonight.That's fine.
But if he's the 3rd tall, he's going to be playing deep, on the 3rd best defender.
In light of that, he simply doesn't kick enough goals.
He's tradeable. Everyone rates Mitch Brown highly. Why shouldn't we shop Staker and remodel our forwardline without him in 2008?
How much would we miss Staker, given he doesn't really have a position and isn't a reliable goal-kicker?
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 04:10
That's fine.
But if he's the 3rd tall, he's going to be playing deep, on the 3rd best defender.
In light of that, he simply doesn't kick enough goals.
Well thats just plain wrong. Staker rarely plays deep and when he has, from what I have seen he does kick goals.
The Dogs/Bombers/Swans were examples of his efforts deep.
This is a bloke who can run with Goodes one week then play deep on Longmuir.
If it were a constant role you could argue that this is the case, but it is too infrequent to make such a claim.
Underdog
15 Sep 2007, 04:10
That's fine.
But if he's the 3rd tall, he's going to be playing deep, on the 3rd best defender.
In light of that, he simply doesn't kick enough goals.
He's tradeable. Everyone rates Mitch Brown highly. Why shouldn't we shop Staker and remodel our forwardline without him in 2008?
But how often do we have a stable and full forward structure? And even then, how often is Staker moved around as a utility?
If Hansen could get on the bloody park it would make a huge difference. Or even anyone with a presence at CHF to assist Lynchy
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Sep 2007, 04:14
This is a bloke who can run with Goodes one week then play deep on Longmuir.
If it were a constant role you could argue that this is the case, but it is too infrequent to make such a claim.We need an extra goal-kicker.
Even in his variety of roles, I don't think Staker has delivered.
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 04:19
We need an extra goal-kicker.
Even in his variety of roles, I don't think Staker has delivered.
But that wasnt your argument, you said he doesnt kick enough goals.
If there was one player who hasnt delivered over the course of 2 years it's Andrew Embley.
Selfish, Lazy and Greedy.
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Sep 2007, 04:22
But that wasnt your argument, you said he doesnt kick enough goals.He doesn't.
I ackowledge that he plays other roles, but I think that's a flow-on from the fact he's not a reliable goal-kicker. If he delivered in that role, he wouldn't be rotated elsewhere.
There are just too many games where he has no impact, and he's a player we could afford to trade.
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 04:27
He doesn't.
I ackowledge that he plays other roles, but I think that's a flow-on from the fact he's not a reliable goal-kicker. If he delivered in that role, he wouldn't be rotated elsewhere.
There are just too many games where he has no impact, and he's a player we could afford to trade.
Again, couldnt agree less. Cant be traded when players like Hansen and Seaby are the only other options up foward.
Hansen is injury prone, Seaby is average.
Too many games where he has no impact?
If you were to line his year and highlight the games where had no impact it would be on par with Daniel Kerr.
MeAdY^87
15 Sep 2007, 04:35
I think what frustrates most people is his inconsistancy, thats why he was dropped and missed our Priemiership last year.
I like Staker, i think his good football is awesome but is bad football is horrible. Also, i'm not convinced he gets up for the moment, I know he was on an angle but surely, he had to nail that goal in Extra Time
I hope we keep him, i mean, Seaby was horrible last season IMO, i once thought we only used him because we needed to help cox. His improvment this year has been awesome, maybe Staker can do the same
Independent Observer
15 Sep 2007, 04:41
I think what frustrates most people is his inconsistancy, thats why he was dropped and missed our Priemiership last year.
I like Staker, i think his good football is awesome but is bad football is horrible. Also, i'm not convinced he gets up for the moment, I know he was on an angle but surely, he had to nail that goal in Extra Time
I hope we keep him, i mean, Seaby was horrible last season IMO, i once thought we only used him because we needed to help cox. His improvment this year has been awesome, maybe Staker can do the same
Are you suggesting Seaby has improved more than Staker this year or even had a better year than Staker?
If so, that is laughable.
MeAdY^87
15 Sep 2007, 04:57
Are you suggesting Seaby has improved more than Staker this year or even had a better year than Staker?
If so, that is laughable.
No, im not suggesting that at all. What i am suggesting is that Seaby has improved significantly over this season, not to the extent that hes one of our better players, more that he has earnt is spot now, rather than just being there because hes the only other ruckman
If Staker could improve in his possition as much as Seaby has in the ruck, maybe he would be improved to the extent hes consistant in his role and kicking more goals and not just there because we need a tall.
Special Agent
15 Sep 2007, 05:03
People were praising him in the first half of the year before his injury on the great job he was doing downback and folks were calling him a natural defender who was finally delivering and playing consistently. He came back from a few weeks out and had some very good games and kicked a couple of decent bags and again people were talking him up. His form has peetered off (I wouldn't say he's been bad) but he has been playing under duress.
I think he's taken significant forward steps this year. I wouldn't like to see him traded, and I doubt there is anyone else on the market who offers what Staker can give us.
I'm convinced the club's forward is made up of Lynch, Hansen and Staker as the three talls. Both Lynch and Staker have kicked more goals with Hansen in the team.