What should we offer west coast for judd?

[carnthedons07premiers]

Maybe Gumbleton and a third round pick? your thoughts

[Darealrath]

He wouldn't want to go to us, we play at the Dome too much and I'm almost certain I've heard him say he doesn't want to play for a team that plays many home games on that surface. Especially now with the groin probs he's had.

[Hirdismyhero]

Maybe Gumbleton and a third round pick? your thoughts

hmm.... how about we drug the west coast recruiting team and trade midifields?

[carnthedons07premiers]

hmm.... how about we drug the west coast recruiting team and trade midifields?

Sounds good. Except there probably already drugged up.;)

[jonoman89]

Maybe Gumbleton and a third round pick? your thoughts

ahh mate im not saying this as a carlton supporter here but....that wouldn't get you 1/4 of judd even.

[darkhorse4000]

how about pick 6,jetta and bradley??

[bombersno1]

Maybe Gumbleton and a third round pick? your thoughts

You are stupid..Gumbleton is a CHF that will be our CHF for 10 years!

I'd give up

1st round pick + Jetta + Johns + 4th rounder

[carnthedons07premiers]

You are stupid..Gumbleton is a CHF that will be our CHF for 10 years!

I'd give up

1st round pick + Jetta + Johns + 4th rounder

It was an idea:confused:

[bombersno1]

It was an idea:confused:


Yes..problem I would have thought you would think that our first pick in a SUPERDRAFT would be worth keeping!

[KING-JAMES]

Lets move back to the G anyway regardless of Judd. You play the big one there, and our sides needs to learn how to play on the biggest stage.

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

our 1st rounder, our 2nd rounder and Kepler.

P.S Mods, please don't move this thread, the man himself deserves his on thread does he not?

[Merv]

our 1st rounder, our 2nd rounder and Kepler.

P.S Mods, please don't move this thread, the man himself deserves his on thread does he not?

He sure does. I will sticky it

[Crave]

Yeah, our 1st rounder pick and Bradley would be a great result for Judd

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

1st round pick and Leroy Jetta.

The most I would be prepared to offer would be Gumbleton and 2nd round pick.

[greysong]

If West Coast would only settle for Gumbleton and first round pick I would take the deal.

[OzBomber]

Only problem is his groin. Is it permanent damage? That'll be the question.

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

Or maybe Lovett, Bradley and pick 6. Then hopefully pick up Prismall with our 2nd rounder.

[marcuz]

Nothing

[occy_2003]

Nothing. He won't become an Essendon player so why waste time trying to get him. Also I don't think the strain it would put on the salary cap is worth it.

[BOMBERSG8]

Jetta+ Bradley+ first round pick

[marcuz]

Nothing. He won't become an Essendon player so why waste time trying to get him. Also I don't think the strain it would put on the salary cap is worth it.

Lets not forget the fact that we have many holes to fill and creating more holes by trading young kids for judd doesnt make much sense.

We have nothing to offer WC so move on and persist with youth. Let carlton offer the kitchen sink for Judd.

[Darealrath]

We have nothing to offer WC so move on and persist with youth.

I don't want to offer a lot for him and I don't think we're really in the race for him anyway, but surely they'd be interested in quite a few of our guys - Gumby, Ryder, Lucas, Lloyd, Jetta, Davey, Winderlich, Stanton, Lovett etc. Plus our 1st round pick.

[marcuz]

I don't want to offer a lot for him and I don't think we're really in the race for him anyway, but surely they'd be interested in quite a few of our guys - Gumby, Ryder, Lucas, Lloyd, Jetta, Davey, Winderlich, Stanton, Lovett etc. Plus our 1st round pick.



We are in no position to let guys with talent go especially with a high first round pick attached. WC will want a lot and the price is too high for our club.

[occy_2003]

I don't want to offer a lot for him and I don't think we're really in the race for him anyway, but surely they'd be interested in quite a few of our guys - Gumby, Ryder, Lucas, Lloyd, Jetta, Davey, Winderlich, Stanton, Lovett etc. Plus our 1st round pick.
The only one of those I'd be willing to give up with our first pick is Jetta, although Lucas is a player that may be dispensible that might turn the Eagles' heads. Still though I don't think we are seriously in for Judd, and I don't think we should be.

[Darealrath]

We are in no position to let guys with talent go especially with a high first round pick attached. WC will want a lot and the price is too high for our club.

I agree. Was just saying we do have something to offer.

[retroparty]

They might take Lovett, Stanton and a few picks. Add Kepler Bradley to spice it up.

[occy_2003]

Every team has something to offer. Not many teams will be willing to offer it.

[marcuz]

I agree. Was just saying we do have something to offer.

of course there would be players that wc would want but im sure they'd be off limits as far as the essendon management is concerned. What i should have said was players we'd be willing to trade there wouldnt be much currency. carlton holds the whip hand with picks 1,3 and 20.

[blumfieldisback]

the only reason I can think that might make us over compensate for him is that after sacking sheedy the board might say Ok lets get judd to put us on the good side with those morons that are part of save essendon.

we have the cash, but I still think carlton or even richmond are in the box seat. would the tigers trade deledio and pick 2?? would carlton trade pick 3 and fevola? i think the latter is highly possible and that would take us out of the equation, unless we traded lucas and our first pick?

the biggest trade since plugger lockett, maybe bigger then that.

[TOA.]

You'd have to deal Gumby and draft pick, I dont think you will though.

[marcuz]

You'd have to deal Gumby and draft pick, I dont think you will though.

And that sums up my point, by looking to fill one hole we just create another. In a couple of years Judd would have nobody to kick to...it would be just like old times.:p

[hulld]

if we trade hille and our 3rd rounder to the saints we can probably get their pick 9.

then we can trade our two top 10 picks and jetta or cj for judd

so we would be trading hille, pick 6 and jetta for him. i'd prefer that than pick 6 and gumby. than we could pick up a mature ruckman in the PSD to be our backup

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

if we trade hille and our 3rd rounder to the saints we can probably get their pick 9.

then we can trade our two top 10 picks and jetta or cj for judd

so we would be trading hille, pick 6 and jetta for him. i'd prefer that than pick 6 and gumby. than we could pick up a mature ruckman in the PSD to be our backup
I wouldn't mind seeing something like that minus Jetta, because he's a super talent and i think that he will become an awesome player in the future. pick 6, pick 9,and Johns/Bradley sounds alright though.

[fish_bowl]

im not willing to part with any players from our core lineup. i was thinking we could trade Mj and second rounder to port for there first. they will have a late first, so we are moving up the draft a few positions.

then we can off trade ports first rounder with johns for the dogs first rounder.

then we offer west coast our pick (6) the dogs pick we off traded (5) and add kepler.

i think if judd wants to come to essendon then west coast would accept that trade. we may need to sweeten the deals a bit to get port and dogs first rounder, but they are the trades i would be looking at.

[TeeBee]

Let's just wait till he nominates a club he wishes to go to. Without that, a bidding war will just make the winning club give up far more than what they would want to.

But if I had to come up with a possible trade, and he does nominates us, then we'll be in a better position for trade than trying to match or out do other clubs. No doubt it will end up as a complicated, 3-way or 4-way trade in which we could involve a club like the bulldogs.

The dogs need talls, we have talls. We and the bulldogs both have high picks, and both could end up at the eagles along with a player like Kepler Bradley (unlike many whom have written him off, I rate highly as a player who has been mis-used and would flourish on the wide expanses in the west, back home).

The dog's in return could get a tall forward in Johns and our 2nd pick.

The bulldogs could also tell us to shove that deal and want Hille as a straight swap for their first pick as a ruckman would also be high on their shopping list with the retirement of Darcy or West Coast could also throw Daniel Chick to the bulldogs as a sweetener.

So the eagles get, pick 5 (WBD) & 6 (Ess) plus Kepler Bradley.
Bulldogs get, pick 22 (ess), Daniel Chick and Courtney Johns
Essendon get Judd

Essendon lose, pick 6, 22, Kepler Bradley & Courtney Johns
West Coast loss Judd and Chick
Bulldogs lose pick 5

So essentially Essendon would write off this seasons draft as they would give up their top 2 picks. Round three would likely be used for father/son Daniher, after that is just a bunch of 4 or 5 picks over 40.

Personally I'm not sure if I'd be happy to do that.

[mojon95]

Let's just wait till he nominates a club he wishes to go to. Without that, a bidding war will just make the winning club give up far more than what they would want to.

But if I had to come up with a possible trade, and he does nominates us, then we'll be in a better position for trade than trying to match or out do other clubs. No doubt it will end up as a complicated, 3-way or 4-way trade in which we could involve a club like the bulldogs.

The dogs need talls, we have talls. We and the bulldogs both have high picks, and both could end up at the eagles along with a player like Kepler Bradley (unlike many whom have written him off, I rate highly as a player who has been mis-used and would flourish on the wide expanses in the west, back home).

The dog's in return could get a tall forward in Johns and our 2nd pick.

The bulldogs could also tell us to shove that deal and want Hille as a straight swap for their first pick as a ruckman would also be high on their shopping list with the retirement of Darcy or West Coast could also throw Daniel Chick to the bulldogs as a sweetener.

So the eagles get, pick 5 (WBD) & 6 (Ess) plus Kepler Bradley.
Bulldogs get, pick 22 (ess), Daniel Chick and Courtney Johns
Essendon get Judd

Essendon lose, pick 6, 22, Kepler Bradley & Courtney Johns
West Coast loss Judd and Chick
Bulldogs lose pick 5

So essentially Essendon would write off this seasons draft as they would give up their top 2 picks. Round three would likely be used for father/son Daniher, after that is just a bunch of 4 or 5 picks over 40.

Personally I'm not sure if I'd be happy to do that.

McPhee, Johns/Bradley and MJ for Judd and pick 13

[akingofkong]

Gumby and Ryder should not be used as bargaining tools if we want to get Judd- both kids are our future and I don't see the point in doing a trade like this, If essendon want to get Judd, they are going to have to offer some lesser name players and or draft picks- which pretty much rules out essendon getting Judd.

[Smell The Glove]

I reckon that Essendon could quite possibly land Judd from under everyone's nose (at least, if you guys get a coach before trade week). However, I think you would need to offer maybe Monfries plus first round pick, Gumby plus first round pick. Stanton plus first round pick would get the job done perhaps, but would I be right in suggest you probably wouldnt?

EDIT: I meant all of those trades plus your second round pick as well.

[jhgoat]

jetta, dyson, johns, 2nd round, for judd, 4th round

[Philzsay]

It's time for one last great sacrifice for our Club from the only name associated with Essendon that holds any clout: Hird

Yep, Jimmy needs to declare that he has changed his mind, he wishes to play on. He needs to state that he is fit and healthy and raring to go.

Then we trade Hird for Judd...the Ultimate sacrifice.


... Then of course once the deal is done Hird changes his mind and tells the eagles he cant play.

...He then spends a year on the eagles list ala Watson..Then in 2009 He makes a come back, and with Hird and Judd we win the 09 Flag.. :D

[ParisBoy.]

Fletcher - Michael - Judd - Lucas - Lloyd

Best spine in the AFL, one would say.

Now you can merge this thread to the trade options but I think this needs its own thread.

Now we know its official Judd wants to return melbourne;
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=51189

What would have to give up to have Judd?
Do you want him at the club?
Would you considered trading Gumby or Ryder?
So what are your thoughts on it?

Carlton are the fount runners at the moment
With probably us and Richmond coming in second.
10 teams have the oppurtunity to get him.
Collingwood are not interested.
That makes it 9.
We have in 1 in 9 chance!


Cheers.

[Smyth94]

I reckon that Essendon could quite possibly land Judd from under everyone's nose (at least, if you guys get a coach before trade week). However, I think you would need to offer maybe Monfries plus first round pick, Gumby plus first round pick. Stanton plus first round pick would get the job done perhaps, but would I be right in suggest you probably wouldnt?

EDIT: I meant all of those trades plus your second round pick as well.

If WCE were interested in Monfries and Jetta we could give them those two plus a 2nd round...its probably the only way Essendon would be willing to deal for Judd. Highly unlikely that he'll come to us.

[B-Bomber]

If we give up Ryder or especially Gumby we are effectively saying that we think we can threaten for the flag next year or at the latest the year after.

Whilest I think we can do that even without Judd, I know that is in part because I love essendon so much.

[Smyth94]

Whoever thinks that Essendon will let go of Gumby has rocks in their heads - absolutely no chance. We need KPP for our future not midfielders.

Fletcher, Mal, Lucas and Lloyd will be retired in 4-5 years time some maybe even sooner...have you noticed what type of players these are? Yep you got it KPPs. We can't afford to get rid of our promising KPPs

[Smokin]

there are obviously so many variables and possibilities, but I dont think it's being unreasonable to say that we have a 25% chance to get him, in that I just cant see him not going to either one of the big three, or Melbourne.

The first hurdle is IF he nominates a club to West Coast. That club is then nearly over the line already.

Secondly, what do West Coast want? I am nearly certain they would want a ready made forward, as their first choice. Id say Fev would be extremely high on that list. Their window is now, and I think they will want to replace their captain with at least one now player, and one gun youngster/high draft pick. But, will Fev agree to go?

The other issue which shouldnt be ignored is the psychological factor in that they will be devastated they are losing a superstar to return home. They may be in a "local" frame of mind, and it just happens we have a stack of WA bred talent right now. Potential stars in Ryder, Gymby, Jetta plus sweeteners in Johns & Bradley. Maybe Im looking at it with my one red n black eye, but I wouldnt rule out this factor having some sort of influence.

Outside of Fev, we are in as good a position as anyone trading wise with West Coast. I cant really see who Collingwood could realistically offer, especially if they want forwards outside of Cloke. THey dont have a high enough first draft pick to be able to package him either IMO. I cant see Collingwood getting rid of Rusling after all they have gone through with him.

Also, we probably "need" Judd more than the other 3, in that our midfield needs an injection (or two). I think we will have a fair crack at him to be honest, while its hard to fathom losing Ryder or Gumby in particular (surely we cant trade both), plus a draft pick or Johns/Bradley or whatever it is, there is no doubt that simply - Judd makes sense! Our club is craving someone like him right now, probably more so than any other in the league.

Then lastly, the whole issue of his injury/future. Dunno how any club can protect themselves in that area, but its the gamble that must be made.

[Tonche]

Let's just wait till he nominates a club he wishes to go to. Without that, a bidding war will just make the winning club give up far more than what they would want to.

But if I had to come up with a possible trade, and he does nominates us, then we'll be in a better position for trade than trying to match or out do other clubs. No doubt it will end up as a complicated, 3-way or 4-way trade in which we could involve a club like the bulldogs.

The dogs need talls, we have talls. We and the bulldogs both have high picks, and both could end up at the eagles along with a player like Kepler Bradley (unlike many whom have written him off, I rate highly as a player who has been mis-used and would flourish on the wide expanses in the west, back home).

The dog's in return could get a tall forward in Johns and our 2nd pick.

The bulldogs could also tell us to shove that deal and want Hille as a straight swap for their first pick as a ruckman would also be high on their shopping list with the retirement of Darcy or West Coast could also throw Daniel Chick to the bulldogs as a sweetener.

So the eagles get, pick 5 (WBD) & 6 (Ess) plus Kepler Bradley.
Bulldogs get, pick 22 (ess), Daniel Chick and Courtney Johns
Essendon get Judd

Essendon lose, pick 6, 22, Kepler Bradley & Courtney Johns
West Coast loss Judd and Chick
Bulldogs lose pick 5

So essentially Essendon would write off this seasons draft as they would give up their top 2 picks. Round three would likely be used for father/son Daniher, after that is just a bunch of 4 or 5 picks over 40.

Personally I'm not sure if I'd be happy to do that.

I would do this deal. In the end, we're losing 2 fringe tall forwards and yes, we write ourselves off from this draft but the reality is that we will have the elite midfielder every team dreams about. Also, our drafting last year was phenomenal and Jetta, Houli, Reimers and Hislop have all shown signs that they will be able to make an impact.

[Rohan Otway]

What should we offer west coast? How 'bout directions to princess park?

West Coast will make teams pay through the nose and our list will suffer for it.

[HarryH]

there are obviously so many variables and possibilities, but I dont think it's being unreasonable to say that we have a 25% chance to get him, in that I just cant see him not going to either one of the big three, or Melbourne.

The first hurdle is IF he nominates a club to West Coast. That club is then nearly over the line already.

Secondly, what do West Coast want? I am nearly certain they would want a ready made forward, as their first choice. Id say Fev would be extremely high on that list. Their window is now, and I think they will want to replace their captain with at least one now player, and one gun youngster/high draft pick. But, will Fev agree to go?

The other issue which shouldnt be ignored is the psychological factor in that they will be devastated they are losing a superstar to return home. They may be in a "local" frame of mind, and it just happens we have a stack of WA bred talent right now. Potential stars in Ryder, Gymby, Jetta plus sweeteners in Johns & Bradley. Maybe Im looking at it with my one red n black eye, but I wouldnt rule out this factor having some sort of influence.

Outside of Fev, we are in as good a position as anyone trading wise with West Coast. I cant really see who Collingwood could realistically offer, especially if they want forwards outside of Cloke. THey dont have a high enough first draft pick to be able to package him either IMO. I cant see Collingwood getting rid of Rusling after all they have gone through with him.

Also, we probably "need" Judd more than the other 3, in that our midfield needs an injection (or two). I think we will have a fair crack at him to be honest, while its hard to fathom losing Ryder or Gumby in particular (surely we cant trade both), plus a draft pick or Johns/Bradley or whatever it is, there is no doubt that simply - Judd makes sense! Our club is craving someone like him right now, probably more so than any other in the league.

Then lastly, the whole issue of his injury/future. Dunno how any club can protect themselves in that area, but its the gamble that must be made.


I very much agree. Essendon may almost be in the box seat in what we have to offer, or at least even with Carlton. WCE will want either very high draft picks or young WA guns...no one can match our WA players in Gumby and Ryder. IF Judd chose Essendon then I think we smust part with one of them (plus pick 6), its a risk because both could turn out to be great players (especially Ryder IMO), but surely worth it

AND if we could get judd imagine if we could coax Sir James back for one more season...allow him very flexible training requirements and limit him to 16 games even if fully fit. It won't happen but how exciting would next season be! Our membership would skyrocket

[bombersno1]

More I think of it what about this:

Johns + Lucas + 1st round pick + Jetta

What do you recon?

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

More I think of it what about this:

Johns + Lucas + 1st round pick + Jetta

What do you recon?

LMAO

[marcuz]

More I think of it what about this:

Johns + Lucas + 1st round pick + Jetta

What do you recon?

not enough, maybe we could add Lloyd, Fletch and a free lapdance just to grease the wheels a little bit.

[bombersno1]

LMAO


What is so bad about that deal? WCE get 2 midfielders (1st draft pick) plus Jetta, plus they get a CHF as well in Lucas!

[High Ryder]

More I think of it what about this:

Johns + Lucas + 1st round pick + Jetta

What do you recon?
Lucas is a club Champion, i can't see us trading him like a peace of meat nor can i see him wanting to leave and go to West Coast. Its just not going to happen. The only way we'll get him is if a) he chooses us as his team of choice or b) we trade one of our gun WA youngsters.

[bombersno1]

not enough, maybe we could add Lloyd, Fletch and a free lapdance just to grease the wheels a little bit.


We are not giving up alot, Gumby can replace Lucas, and Judd replaces Jetta and our 1st rounder this year. Johns is just there as a plus on the side.

[Bomber Bill]

How can we make a serious play for Judd without a senior coach? Maybe this will force Essendon to name a coach (very soon) as surely Judd wouldnt want to go to a club without one?

[bombersno1]

We could offer him the captaincy as well, which could be a big drawcard for him.

[angus6]

How can people honestly believe that west coast would be interested in Kepler or Johns? Just because they are from WA means F*$K all!
Why do people believe that west coast needs forwards. They have Hansen and Lynch in the key posts, they have staker down there, they have le cras down there and did anyone remember that young kid they drafted last year by the name of brown. He wasnt too bad a forward either.

Essendon just cannot afford to get rid of Ryder and Gumby. They are CHB and CHF for the next 10 years and instant replacements for Fletcher and Lucas. And why would people even consider trading Lucas a club great and at this minute probably the teams best player.

West Coast might actually be looking at backmen. With Chick going and also Wirrpanda they will need replacements for them players.

My proposal would be something like 1st round pick + Adam McPhee + either Lovett or Dempsey or Winderlich.

[angus6]

How can we make a serious play for Judd without a senior coach? Maybe this will force Essendon to name a coach (very soon) as surely Judd wouldnt want to go to a club without one?
Maybe the board can sign up Peter Sumich as coach and that might just sway Judd to nominate Essendon as his club of choice :thumbsu:

[d-mac3276]

Maybe the board can sign up Peter Sumich as coach and that might just sway Judd to nominate Essendon as his club of choice :thumbsu:
U have a point there bud i bet nobody thought of that.
Horsborough sign Suma up right now

[donsman4eva]

I dont think we should go after him. We will look, because everyone will. Its a duty of care. But we will have to give up too much to get him. We should be able to get a quality midfielder with pick 6 in the draft. Im not saying he will be as good as Judd, but there must be a serious ? over Judd's injury. That will stop some clubs going after him surely.

[Bomber Bill]

Maybe the board can sign up Peter Sumich as coach and that might just sway Judd to nominate Essendon as his club of choice :thumbsu:

Sounds good in theory...

Who would be Essendons untouchables? Would there be any? If I had to choose three they would be:

1. Ryder
2. Gumbleton
3. Monfries

When you look at our list I dont think there would be many more...

Im not including the older brigade such as Lloyd, Lucas & Fletcher for obvious reasons.

[d-mac3276]

Just give em our 1st 2 picks McPhee and Johns/Bradley

[HarryH]

There is no way that our mid rank players will be part of a deal - Kepler and Johns our not in our best 22 so why would a much better team want them? Mcphee, Stanton, Lovett ect also do not have much currency because they will not help WCE win another premiership

We will have to give up Gumby or Ryder. We should give up one but not both

[Smyth94]

There is no way that our mid rank players will be part of a deal - Kepler and Johns our not in our best 22 so why would a much better team want them? Mcphee, Stanton, Lovett ect also do not have much currency because they will not help WCE win another premiership

We will have to give up Gumby or Ryder. We should give up one but not both

Gumby and Ryder won't help WCE win a premiership, they're only teenagers - they are still a premiership threat for at least 2-3 years. They need a proven gun key forward they would only consider Lucas or Lloyd

[Bomber Bill]

I dont think you would give up either of them.
Forget Judd, keep them and build a team around them that Im sure will be pushing for a flag within 5 years.
Do any other teams other than Carlton have a realistic chance of landing him? I wouldnt think so.
Pratt will move heaven and earth to get him and wont stop at that.

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

What is so bad about that deal? WCE get 2 midfielders (1st draft pick) plus Jetta, plus they get a CHF as well in Lucas!
Probably because we'd be getting ripped off big time. Giving up one of the best key forwards in the comp, a potential gun mid (Jetta) and another potential gun mid (Masten), plus Johns. Don't you think that's a bit much to give up just for Judd.

Lucas, Bradley/Johns and 2nd rounder would be mroe realistic.

Players i would allow to be traded for Judd would be (who they may want):
-McPhee
-Lovett
-Stants (maybe)
-Lucas (i wouldn't want to, but if we had to...)
-Johns
-Bradley

[d-mac3276]

Trust me Judd will announce his preferred club and i doubt he would want to go to Carlton. A la Aka last year.
We will make a massive play for him i have no doubt about this.

[TeeBee]

How can people honestly believe that west coast would be interested in Kepler or Johns? Just because they are from WA means F*$K all!
I agree to an extent, of course those players alone would be laughed at by west coast. These days picks are gold, especially first round picks. The guts of any trade will be the first round picks, any players on top are sweeteners. In terms of Kepler Bradley, those in the business would have a better idea of his value than the run of the mill critic. Its very easy to watch a kid played out of position and write him off as a dud as many have done. West Coast on the other hand may see him as a potential CHF to release Hanson and support Lynch.


Why do people believe that west coast needs forwards. They have Hansen and Lynch in the key posts, they have staker down there, they have le cras down there and did anyone remember that young kid they drafted last year by the name of brown. He wasnt too bad a forward either.

Another good point you make, however none offer what someone like Bradley could on the subiaco ground. A kid that can run all day, 6'6, can take a mark and kick outside 50. None you mention could meet all those requirements. I think Kep needs a change of enviroment and I honestly think he'll eventually bite us in the backside. Again I'm not saying he'll turn into a superstar that will replace Judd, my theory for this trade week is based on a sweetener on top of picks.


Essendon just cannot afford to get rid of Ryder and Gumby. They are CHB and CHF for the next 10 years and instant replacements for Fletcher and Lucas. And why would people even consider trading Lucas a club great and at this minute probably the teams best player.

I totally agree. If essendon are asked to give up either gumby or ryder, i would back out of the deal in a heartbeat. I think people lose their minds when a big name player is up for grabs. Gumby, johns, lucas, jetta and pick 1...for one player....crazy talk. The bulk of the trade for Judd, whether it be with essendon, carlton, richmond or whoever will be picks picks picks....early ones. Any players on top will just be sweeteners.



West Coast might actually be looking at backmen. With Chick going and also Wirrpanda they will need replacements for them players.

My proposal would be something like 1st round pick + Adam McPhee + either Lovett or Dempsey or Winderlich.

This is where i'll disagree, no club makes a priority for mid-sized backmen. It just doesn't happen. A club will go for top line mids and talls. Mid-sized backs are just mids that have rotated back there and found a niche. Like Wirrpunda, Wanganeen, McVeigh, McLeod. Even Chick began as a mid/forward.

West Coast will want picks, at least 2 first rounders if we don't give up gumby or ryder with our first rounder. This is why I think we'll need to involve another club, in particular the doggies. They need forwards and a ruckman, we have some. Maybe the tigers would involve coughlan or their first round pick in the deal for a fair return. But anything with Greg Millar involved you just know will not run smoothly.

[Bomber Bill]

Trust me Judd will announce his preferred club and i doubt he would want to go to Carlton. A la Aka last year.
We will make a massive play for him i have no doubt about this.

I just dont think we have the bargaining power. The only way I can see it happen is if there is some ''super trade'' that involves about 8 clubs!

Well that guy did eventually trade up his paper clip for a house, maybe we can start with Campo...

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

As Dmac has said, he will nominate the club he would like to be traded to, then the 2 clubs will have to agree on a deal that both clubs are happy with otherwise they could risk losing him in the PSD because he's out of contract.

[Bestbird]

It will only be a pick and a player, not a bundle of mid tier players

You will have to trade either Ryder or Gumbleton as part of the deal if he goes to the bombers

[HarryH]

If we were to give one of Gumby and Ryder I would give Gumby. Ryder is all class, he had a pretty flat last half of the year, but im thinking he will dominate next year

Gumby I'm not convinced about. He did not show much this year. He can't be a #2 pick for no reason so I am sure he will come good. Ryder seems better to me

Gumby and #6 pick for Judd. I think WCE would demand more but you never know

[TeeBee]

As Dmac has said, he will nominate the club he would like to be traded to, then the 2 clubs will have to agree on a deal that both clubs are happy with otherwise they could risk losing him in the PSD because he's out of contract.

Well this won't happen. Judd is a Eagle club champion, captain, and from all reports, a genuine and honorable person and there is no way he'll leave them in the lurch like that. If fact he will no doubt nominate a club and make sure the eagles and his new club get a fair deal. On that note, any Carlton supporters out there thinking that they can play hard ball in trade week, to forget it. If they are nominated as the preferred club, they will have to put up a fair trade just like any other melbourne club or Judd will go to the club where the both teams get a fair trade. It's not like Judd will think.....geez, I really wanted to go to a club with no short term future. The PSD is a place Judd will never be.

[matty lloyd the champ]

If we were to give one of Gumby and Ryder I would give Gumby. Ryder is all class, he had a pretty flat last half of the year, but im thinking he will dominate next year

Gumby I'm not convinced about. He did not show much this year. He can't be a #2 pick for no reason so I am sure he will come good. Ryder seems better to me

Gumby and #6 pick for Judd. I think WCE would demand more but you never know

has lachlan hansen delivered?
has mitch thorp delivered?
Not yet, bigger men take longer time to develop
ryder didn't really show much last year but has suprised us all this year.
Gumbleton is there to replace lloydy and lucas when they retire.

I would not trade gumbleton or ryder to west coast.
They are the future of our club, we need to think long term if we are to win another premiership

[KING-JAMES]

Keep Gumbleton and Ryder at all costs. I really want to secure another top 10 pick. Pickup an Ebert/Masten/ Palmer and a Rance/Henderson. Our side would looks so much surer for the future.

[matty lloyd the champ]

does anyone know which club, judd grew up barracking?

[Merv]

does anyone know which club, judd grew up barracking?

Melbourne from memory

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

It will only be a pick and a player, not a bundle of mid tier players

You will have to trade either Ryder or Gumbleton as part of the deal if he goes to the bombers
Well if we have to give up one of these 2 players to get Judd, then don't worry about it, let some other Victorian club overpay for him.

[SOT4]

Posted this in trade options: West Coast are having big troubles fitting in the required draft picks and all their players into the 40(?) allowed on a list. They won't take players unless they are very promising youngsters (Gumby, Ryder, jetta) or instant additions to their team (Lucas). Names like Dyson have no place in this thread.

[Merv]

All of this is pointless.

Until judd specifies which club he wants to be traded to, if he does name one, it's all just round and round and round etc etc

Most likely scenario.

He names a club.
They decide on a deal
He goes there.

Should be quite smooth

IF he doesn't name a team, it will be pandamonium

[kelvin_sheedy]

I'd be willing to part with our first round draft pick and one of Mcphee, Hille, Monfries.

I think it would be a fair deal.

They can get one of the the WA boys in Palmer, Masten, Morton and get a senior ready made player to keep them in flag contention.

[High Ryder]

Dodoro just spoke on Juddy...

We have been in cantact with Judd's manager all year and spoke to him today. Thinks we are in a good possie to get him. Will speak to Judd and his manager this week sometime.

[blumfieldisback]

has lachlan hansen delivered?
has mitch thorp delivered?
Not yet, bigger men take longer time to develop
ryder didn't really show much last year but has suprised us all this year.
Gumbleton is there to replace lloydy and lucas when they retire.

I would not trade gumbleton or ryder to west coast.
They are the future of our club, we need to think long term if we are to win another premiership

your exactly right not too mention other playes that will have to make room for judd in salary.

But he is so bloody good, damn him.

i dont know why people would want to offer johns as part of the deal, or maybe i do? to get rid of him, but seriously he wouldnt fit there structure, they have the Big Q and ashley hansen, they would want a player that can move and roam like a scotty lucas or j.kennedy or fev ( i know he was FF at carlton but with the right prepration he could play chf-FF).

But i think from us they will request ryder? he has had 2 years and is on the bubble.

carlton will get him, we havnt landed a big fish ever have we

[retroparty]

I'd be willing to part with our first round draft pick and one of Mcphee, Hille, Monfries.

I think it would be a fair deal.

They can get one of the the WA boys in Palmer, Masten, Morton and get a senior ready made player to keep them in flag contention.

WCE wouldn't take that. Wouldn't be enough

[HarryH]

I'd be willing to part with our first round draft pick and one of Mcphee, Hille, Monfries.

I think it would be a fair deal.

They can get one of the the WA boys in Palmer, Masten, Morton and get a senior ready made player to keep them in flag contention.

I am not so sure it would be fair for WCE

[matty lloyd the champ]

Dodoro just spoke on Juddy...

We have been in cantact with Judd's manager all year and spoke to him today. Thinks we are in a good possie to get him. Will speak to Judd and his manager this week sometime.

which radio station is this?

[blumfieldisback]

does anyone know which club, judd grew up barracking?

not that it matters these days, players rarely go and play for the club they barrack for, jeff white was a big saints fan but still went to melbourne for the cash and nathan brown barracked for carlton and went to richmond because they offered the most cash and incentives.

Judd grew up supporting melbourne from my knowledge, isnt that why he got number 3 because of gary lyon.

[High Ryder]

which radio station is this?
Sport 927 but just finishing now...

[retroparty]

We will only get Judd if we trade off some middle ranked midfielders. We can't afford to give away anything alse. The best thing to do would be to trade these players off (Stanton, Watson etc) and let Judd carry the midfield so we can give our gun midfielders from the superdraft the best possible experience. Then we would have the best midfield in 3-4 years. The forwards and baks in our team are too important ot our structure and we cannot afford to trade them off.

[Merv]

Where will Chris Judd go?


5:06 PM Sun 16 September, 2007
By Matt Burgan
Exclusive to AFL BigPond Network
News


WEST Coast skipper Chris Judd is flying east, and the big question is: where exactly will he land? afl.com.au’s Matt Burgan takes a look at the likely – and less likely – contenders for his services.
THE FRONT-RUNNERS
Carlton
With president Richard Pratt at the helm and renewed financial strength, the Blues are in pole position to secure Judd’s services. They have the bargaining power of some high draft selections ahead of the October exchange period, including picks No.1, 3 and 20 in the November NAB AFL Draft.
Collingwood
Regularly linked with high-profile recruiting prospects, the Magpies will again be in the hunt this time round. With a Collingwood contract comes plenty of incentives: cash, first class facilities, business contacts, and more. Skipper Nathan Buckley is nearing retirement, which would leave the captaincy vacant sometime in the near future. The flipside of the black and white coin is that Collingwood is arguably the most scrutinised Victorian club. Would that influence Judd's decision?
Essendon
The Dons are about to begin a new era without four-time premiership coach Kevin Sheedy and champion James Hird – and they’d love a ready-made champion to fill Hird’s boots. There’s plenty of uncertainty at Windy Hill, which could make the move there more or less attractive, depending on your view. Of course, a new senior coach may well be installed in time for the October 8-12 trade week.
Hawthorn
Hawthorn's recruiting model has paid dividends this year, with list manager Chris Pelchen one of the best in the business come trade time. Although an over-achiever, Judd is just 24, and certainly not too old for the Hawks’ needs. They’re a happy club on the rise, and with Richie Vandenberg retiring and the captaincy available, Judd may well find Glenferrie a perfect fit.
Melbourne
Judd barracked for the Demons as a boy, and they’ll be more than keen to put a sentimental touch on his homecoming. As with Essendon, there’s a new era unfolding at Melbourne with Dean Bailey at the helm. With Judd’s top priority reportedly family rather than megabucks, perhaps the Demons are a genuine prospect.
THE OUTSIDERS
St Kilda
The Saints having signed up some key stars this year, including Nick Riewoldt and Nick Dal Santo, and may not have the salary cap for Judd – or would have to re-jig their total player payments accordingly.
Geelong
With the competition’s strongest list, the Cats arguably have less need for a player of Judd’s calibre than any other Victorian club. Chance of success may be a lure for Judd, but if he’s moving to Melbourne to be close to family, it’s hard to see him heading off down the highway.
Kangaroos
The Roos' future has been the subject of much debate in recent years, and with a Gold Coast move potentially on the cards, they seem an unlikely fit for a Melbourne-bound Judd. Still, they are a tight-knit playing group, a team that continually delivers over a long period of time, and a lower profile club. All of which could be attractive.
Western Bulldogs
After a disappointing season, the Dogs have already signaled their intentions to rejuvenate their list. Retirements and delistings leave room for a big inclusion, and they could be a dark horse to snaffle Judd. Last year, the Dogs acquired Jason Akermanis via the trade period and will doubtless want to have a crack at this year's biggest name.
Richmond
Richmond holds some key cards in the drafting order – No.2, No.18 and No.19 – in November and it will be eager to be in the Judd mix. Where the Tigers sit though for Judd will be interesting, considering the yellow and black finished on the bottom this year. Richmond will no doubt be eager to reinvigorate its list and what better way to start with Judd.


http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=51200

[GoDons]

Everybody keep in mind...

West Coast can only accept the best offer on the table.

How much we have to give up for Judd comes down to what other clubs are prepared to offer.

I think a first round pick and McPhee would certainly be one of the better offers of the ones they will receive.

[austinthedog]

if sheeds was still around, he would get him ;)

[Merv]

if sheeds was still around, he would get him ;)

Yeah he has a great history of landing the big names :cool:

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

Trade pick #22 and Mark Johnson to Fremantle for pick 7. Trade picks #6, #7 and Keplar Bradley for Judd

[Dodgy Barry]

If West Coast would only settle for Gumbleton and first round pick I would take the deal.
If we couldn't land Fev + 3 + 20, then the above would be reasonable.

Would be excited if you threw Lucas in as well.;)

[kelvin_sheedy]

WCE wouldn't take that. Wouldn't be enough

Well no one will give up any more than there first round pick + an established player.

Carlton holds the ace in the pack as it can bargain with Pick 3 and Fevola if they are willing to trade him.

I'd doubt they'd offer Fev and pick 3 though.

I'd say it's a battle between Carlton, Richmond, Melbourne and us as West Coast will be wanting a pick as close to 1 as possible.

[GoDons]

If we couldn't land Fev + 3 + 20, then the above would be reasonable.

Would be excited if you threw Lucas in as well.;)

Get prepared to be very disappointed come trade week...

[Smyth94]

If we give away either Ryder or Gumbleton then my faith in the list management/recruiting at Essendon will be forever eroded.

I'm praying that who ever makes the decision on Judd not to get caught up in the frenzy and histeria and make a well-balanced, thought out decision.

[Big John]

Got to be honest about our list and where we're at. We're not going to get Judd, the best player in the league by throwing a bunch of midranked players at the eagles. If we want quality we'll have to give up quality. On the plus a lot of our quality is senior, which is ok for the eagles, and a lot of it if key forward which is great for them as well.

As i see it the only non tradebles are Ryder, Gumbleton, Lloyd and Fletcher. Everyone else no matter how much we love them might have to make way.

edit: lots of opportunity to be the 3rd club involved and get paid over the odds to make the trade happen. Definitely something to thinx about

[akingofkong]

Yeah he has a great history of landing the big names :cool:


i.e rene kink and ty zantuck :P lol