Kruezer, Hampson, Cloke & Ackland?

[Bentick's My Man.]

If the blues pick up Kruezer with their #1 Draft Pick this year (which has been basically confirmed by Greg Swann) how is this going to affect our future ruck stocks?
Who will play and who will miss out?

Hampson & Kruezer will take a while to develop but if Leuenberger from the Lions is any indicator, Kruezer could be playing seniors late next season.

For next year I would say Ackland and Cloke would do our ruck work whilst Hampson and Kruezer work in tandom in the VFL until they both develop and learn a bit more and give them 5-6 games each in the 1's for the season then after that...

Where is the room for Kruezer, Hampson, Cloke and Ackland?

Well we all know (well hope) Ackland will be gone after his contract finishes.

Cloke will have to be developed into a rucking forward like Ottens to give room for Kruezer and Hampson to rotate off the bench.

I also forgot Aisake O'hAilpin who the blues are developing into a ruckman.

What are we doing?

Is this on anybody else's minds?

[Jeremias]

Ackland doesn't have a long term future at the club, and Cloke is no certainty to be on the list in a few years time either.

[as0l0]

Asaike is my great hope.

[BluesRules]

I would draft Cotchin. I have high hopes for Hampson and Aisake.

[Bentick's My Man.]

Yes, I forgot Aisake.
That means 5 ruckman on the list for next year???

[WorthTheWaite]

There's a strong case for drafting Cotchin... Kreuzer is 199cm, hasn't grown since last year, isn't an outstanding tap ruckman (more to do with his work around the ground), we have Hampson & Aisake coming through (two isn't enough, but there WILL be future drafts to pick other ruckmen), and Cotchin, from what I've heard, could be the next Judd/Ablett jr.

[marcmurphy3]

There's a strong case for drafting Cotchin... Kreuzer is 199cm, hasn't grown since last year, isn't an outstanding tap ruckman (more to do with his work around the ground), we have Hampson & Aisake coming through (two isn't enough, but there WILL be future drafts to pick other ruckmen), and Cotchin, from what I've heard, could be the next Judd/Ablett jr.

I was also in favour of Cotchin but Swan confirmed that we would be picking Kreuzer (which is a bit of a surprize to do so early)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22428781-2722,00.html

"Swann said Carlton, which has the first and third selections in the November draft, would use its No.1 pick to secure Northern Knights teenage ruckman Matthew Kreuzer."

[Faz 2000]

I'd say there's only 3 of those 5 guys who can potentially be good AFL-level ruckman: Hampson, Kreuzer and Aisake. We need two of them to really make it, so having three increases the chances that two makes it. And hey, if all three do, we're covered for injuries or we have a huge trading chip.

Ackland and Cloke are not and will not be GOOD AFL-level ruckmen, so saying we have five ruckmen (assuming Kreuzer is taken at #1) is a furfy. We have ZERO good ones, and three guys who COULD be good.

[Bentick's My Man.]

Yea good point but will the team be quite slow if Cloke plays forward, throw Whitnall into the team plus the 2 ruckman?

[Faz 2000]

Yea good point but will the team be quite slow if Cloke plays forward, throw Whitnall into the team plus the 2 ruckman?

The next "good" Carlton side will not feature Whitnall and is very unlikely to feature Cloke, either. I wouldn't worry about it. 2-3 years from now these guys will not be involved, unless Cloke shows some huge improvement and previously un-sighted talents.

[TkMarx08]

Goodbye Hackland..;):thumbsu:

[Bluebear]

Next year (fitness assumed):
Seniors

Cloke
Aisake/Hampson/KreuzerAnts

Ackland
Whichever above isn't playing seniorsAckland delisted at end 2008.


2009:

Hampson
Kreuzer
Aisake - CHBCloke may push forward if fit and able........?? may struggle.

Fingers crossed he has a good year next year.

Just my thoughts.:thumbsu:

[Faz 2000]

I haven't seen much of Aisake, but several people have mentioned him as a key posi defender. Is that at all likely, or even possible? Has he shown aptitude for that?

[Bluebear]

I haven't seen much of Aisake, but several people have mentioned him as a key posi defender. Is that at all likely, or even possible? Has he shown aptitude for that?
These Irish boys can do anything mate. :thumbsu:

[Mayesy_23]

Don't see Ackland or Cloke as part of our long term future. To have Kreuzer who can go forward, Aisake who can go back and Hammer who could be anything, would be the most powerful and versatile ruck trio in the history of the game!!!

[Faz 2000]

Hehehehe. They've played, what.... 2 AFL games between them? "Best trio ever". Awesome.

Ah, what the h3ll, it's time to be optimistic as a Carlton fan.

[MyBloodIsBlue]

Hehehehe. They've played, what.... 2 AFL games between them? "Best trio ever". Awesome.

Ah, what the h3ll, it's time to be optimistic as a Carlton fan.

Optomistic - no, ARROGANT - yes :D

[Amers]

Next year (fitness assumed):
Seniors
Cloke
Aisake/Hampson/KreuzerAnts
Ackland
Whichever above isn't playing seniorsAckland delisted at end 2008.


2009:
Hampson
Kreuzer
Aisake - CHBCloke may push forward if fit and able........?? may struggle.

Fingers crossed he has a good year next year.

Just my thoughts.:thumbsu:

This is what I had in mind too, I think this could be very close to how it ends up being played out.

[blues4flag]

I'd say there's only 3 of those 5 guys who can potentially be good AFL-level ruckman: Hampson, Kreuzer and Aisake. We need two of them to really make it, so having three increases the chances that two makes it. And hey, if all three do, we're covered for injuries or we have a huge trading chip.


Agreed. :thumbsu:

[Poz_Utd_V.2]

There is not even a guarantee on how good Aisake and Hampson are gonna be. Who says they are gonna even make it? It's good to be optimistic but be realisitc at the same time. Young Irish hasn't even played a game yet, Hampson has played what two games??? Just because he was taken in the top 20 doesn't mean he will be a gun.

We would be crazy not to take Kruezer he is a one of a kind player

BTW everyone seems to have forgotten about Sam Jacobs, just though i would throw that in

[matty_hawk]

There is not even a guarantee on how good Aisake and Hampson are gonna be. Who says they are gonna even make it? It's good to be optimistic but be realisitc at the same time. Young Irish hasn't even played a game yet, Hampson has played what two games??? Just because he was taken in the top 20 doesn't mean he will be a gun.

We would be crazy not to take Kruezer he is a one of a kind player

BTW everyone seems to have forgotten about Sam Jacobs, just though i would throw that in

you are full of crap mate, you pick up good players, then doubt them. they are all going to be good, u just wait.

[Homer Simpson for Lance]

There is not even a guarantee on how good Aisake and Hampson are gonna be. Who says they are gonna even make it? It's good to be optimistic but be realisitc at the same time. Young Irish hasn't even played a game yet, Hampson has played what two games??? Just because he was taken in the top 20 doesn't mean he will be a gun.

We would be crazy not to take Kruezer he is a one of a kind player

BTW everyone seems to have forgotten about Sam Jacobs, just though i would throw that in


You would think the Carlton coaching staff who have been watching Aisake and Hammer on a constant basis going through ruck drills as well as all the other training and matches would feel confident about predicting whether they will make the grade or not. They have had a better look at these 2 guys on our list that have been training/competing against men than they have had of Kreuzer.

Even though he only played 2 games last year Hammer showed enough to suggest that he would be more useful than Ackland next year. Aisake is more developed than Hampson, so I expect to see a fair bit of those 2 guys next year.

BTW according to reports from coaching staff Aisake looked more comfortable playing back than we he played forward in the Ants reserves in 06

[Faz 2000]

BTW according to reports from coaching staff Aisake looked more comfortable playing back than we he played forward in the Ants reserves in 06

Sounds good. Look forward to seeing him develop. It is a *reasonably* long way from Ants reserves to standing Jonathan Brown, though.

[Pamam]

Sounds good. Look forward to seeing him develop. It is a *reasonably* long way from Ants reserves to standing Jonathan Brown, though.

wasnt that long for Setanta!!

[BlueYoss]

wasnt that long for Setanta!!

Top call!

[Poz_Utd_V.2]

you are full of crap mate, you pick up good players, then doubt them. they are all going to be good, u just wait.

your full of crap mate what the hell would u know go back to your own board ya shit kicker

[Poz_Utd_V.2]

You would think the Carlton coaching staff who have been watching Aisake and Hammer on a constant basis going through ruck drills as well as all the other training and matches would feel confident about predicting whether they will make the grade or not. They have had a better look at these 2 guys on our list that have been training/competing against men than they have had of Kreuzer.

Even though he only played 2 games last year Hammer showed enough to suggest that he would be more useful than Ackland next year. Aisake is more developed than Hampson, so I expect to see a fair bit of those 2 guys next year.

BTW according to reports from coaching staff Aisake looked more comfortable playing back than we he played forward in the Ants reserves in 06

How good are our staff at having a fair understanding of whether a player will be good or not? Who knows but i am hoping it is reasonably good. Hammer did show alot in those two games and i am hoping he does make it.

But remember how much can u read into so early in their career, early prospects does not necessarily mean a long and successful career, time will tell i suppose I hope full our sakes he does become an A grade player.

Another point to ponder is whether we want our players to become run of the mill average acceptable AFL standard players, or do we want players to be the best in their position??

Not saying Hammer will be only an average player, noone knows what he will be or Aisake for that fact, what i am saying is we want the best of the best we want a Dean Cox or Brendan Lade type ruckman.

Kruezer is the best bet IMO