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He's been charged by the ACB for bringing the game into disrepute over his comments that Muralidaran is a chucker when John Elliot asked him whether he thought the Sri Lankan was indeed a chucker.
Kane McGoodwin
27 May 2002, 18:45
Being charged by your employer is not a good thing. Looks like he will get a fine for breaking some condition of his contract. I wonder if umpires Emmerson or Hair will act as character witnesses. ;) :eek:
wagstaff
27 May 2002, 19:35
Undoubtedly Elliot's most significant contribution to Australian sport so far this year.
SeinDude
27 May 2002, 20:24
I was wondering if anything would come from Adam's comments about Mutiah Muralitharan when I heard about them on the radio this morning. I guess you just can't say things like that, but I'm betting it was taken out of context.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
red+black
27 May 2002, 23:01
Gilly was a guest on The Fat tonight and seemed pretty dirty on some sly journos, and with good reason I reckon. Carlton should make a stand against them and ban them from OO until next year.
for those that saw the show, has Layne Beechley (sp?) always looked that good?
Good on Gilly I say-the more players that come out & make a stand the better.I don't know how Sri Lanka have got away with this one for so long.
Thye've got this fast/med bowler Periera over in England now & he is so blatantly a chucker it's not true but when the media mention this as is their right rather than take it on board the Lankans circle wagons & get into seige mentality.No one wants to ruin people's careers for the sake of it but at the same time we don't want to see chuckers getting away with it.
I hope Gilchrist doesn't get treated too harshly-if he does i reckon his Australia teammates should make a stand on his behalf.
London Dave
28 May 2002, 07:39
True Dipper, absolutely no doubt he was chucking it, and the umpires COULDNT CALL IT!. What happens if he takes wickets with an obvious chuck?????? Thanks for screwing up cricket, take a bow Arjuna Ranatunga and co!
GOALden Hawk
28 May 2002, 10:39
What a joke. Are the ACB and the Third Reich the same organisation???
What is the cricket world coming to when players get reprimanded for commenting on issues.
For starters the comments have been taken out of context. It's not like he just came out and said "Murali is a chucker, let's ban him." He was asked what he thought of his action, and he said something like "in the true reading of the law, it's probably a chuck, so yeah he does" He then went on to say that he was still a great bowler and a top bloke, and it's been dealt with.
What is comes down to is the absolutely pathetic pandering by the ACB to the Asian countries. They are so afraid of upsetting them that a ridiculous overreaction like this was bound to happen.
He only said what 99% of the cricket community agrees anyway. The hypocricy compared to other countries is astounding. That pr!ck Ranatunga made some blatantly racist statements about Australians having no culture and been a bunch on convicts...where was the punishment there?
I'm sick of the Asian countries using the old whinge about been victimised for been 3rd world, and Sri Lanka using the old "we are just minnows" card. They have been in international cricket 20 years! Playing the race card every time one of there players is accused of chucking is a weak mentality and does nothing to promote the game.
I say good on Gilly - at least some people have the courage to speak up, the ACB and the ICC should take note.
SeinDude
28 May 2002, 12:56
The ACB has to make a tough stand to make sure it keeps control of the situation and I'm sure Adam Gilchrist will accept whatever happens even though it may sound harsh. Adam like all other players knows that it's in his contract that he isn't allowed to make statements like he did on Sunday even if it is the truth... it's not his place to say either way.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
Richie Benaud
28 May 2002, 18:40
I remember when one of our bowlers, Ian Meckiff was no-balled out of test cricket back in the early 1960's for chucking.
Meckiff was a marvellous bowler for Australia and although he is mainly remembered as being a chucker, he will also be remembered as the man run out at the end of the game by Joe Solomon in the famous tied test in 1960/61 at the GABBA between Australia and the West Indies.
It's the ACB way ofmaking sure they can appoint Ponting as the Test captain.
So much for his clean image
you_idiot
28 May 2002, 23:06
I can't remember where I heard it today, but some commentator said that something like this makes high-profile athletes like 'Gilly' think twice whenever speaking what they feel is the truth. A "damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they-don't" situation.
But to be fair, I also heard Gilchrist say that the reporter who broke the story should have done the "professional thing" by taking the time to mention to him that his comments were being recorded. And as a media professional, I think Gilchrist has a point.
Cheers,
William
Richmondfan#1
28 May 2002, 23:12
I had a feeling this would happen and I think it needs to be stopped. Let the players have some free speech and opinions to some extent!
Originally posted by London Dave
True Dipper, absolutely no doubt he was chucking it, and the umpires COULDNT CALL IT!. What happens if he takes wickets with an obvious chuck?????? Thanks for screwing up cricket, take a bow Arjuna Ranatunga and co!
Yeah LD I was thinking about umpires not being able to no ball for chucking the other day.Obviously it was brought in as a result of Murali being continually no-balled & was to safe guard bowlers whos basic action hasn't been proved to be a throw but what happens with those bowlers who have a perfectly fine & legal action for most of their deliveries but chuck when they bowl a bouncer or go for extra pace.This is something that happens but how do you deal with it?You send the guy off to get his action looked at & 99% of his deliveries are kosher so they let him back but every now & then he puts in the effort ball (as you say he may take a wicket) & the umpires can't do a thing.It may not even be every bouncer (for example) that he chucks but just the odd one so surely the umpires must be able to no ball these.
It does seem as if the whole chucking issue has been hijacked by the Asian countries having the anglo countries running scared on the race issue.It's a cynical ploy & we shouldn't cow tow to it, theEnglish bowler Kirtley got done for it in a1 dayer in Zimbawbe this winter & they sent him away with no complaints & the guy has totally remodelled his action after his best season ever.It'snot up to home cricket boards to blindly defend their players to the hilt but to safeguard the good of the game-when Murali becomes the highest wicket taker ever for me the concept of statistics in cricket will become spoiled as I will be a travesty to know that some guy picked up maybe 700 wickets with an illegal action.
London Dave
29 May 2002, 04:18
When are they gonna let the umpires call a chuck????
(We now have NEUTRAL UMPIRES, so it cant be biased, can it?)
Scenario...
world cup final.....a bowler chucks and gets vital wickets which win the game....umps can't call him, so chuckers team wins.....that is the farce the game will become.
now, if the 'chucker' happens to be someone playing Sri Lanka, imagine the outrage!
dr nick
29 May 2002, 10:23
its ridiculous how umpires are not supposed to call him because he's been cleared of chucking by the ICC. when he was cleared that was under observation of his action in the nets. (as if you wouldnt make doubly sure you didnt chuck whilst being scrutinized) when murali gets out in sri lanka, he lets loose, and there's squat anubody can do about it!
SeinDude
29 May 2002, 13:42
Originally posted by London Dave
When are they gonna let the umpires call a chuck????
(We now have NEUTRAL UMPIRES, so it cant be biased, can it?)
Scenario...
world cup final.....a bowler chucks and gets vital wickets which win the game....umps can't call him, so chuckers team wins.....that is the farce the game will become.
now, if the 'chucker' happens to be someone playing Sri Lanka, imagine the outrage!
So, are you suggesting that Mutiah needs to be checked again?? (sorry, I couldn't help that!!) LOL!! :D:D;):D:D
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
London Dave
30 May 2002, 01:41
if the ump reckons its a chuck, he should call it
SeinDude
30 May 2002, 14:08
Originally posted by London Dave
if the ump reckons its a chuck, he should call it
My main issue with all of this is that a suspect bowling action should be detected way before the player makes it to international level!! With all the academies and coaching clinics that go on around the world for young cricketers, surely these things would be picked up then. Surely they're able to video a kid's bowling action, and if there was anything wrong with it they can work on trying to fix it, but at least it would be detected before he ever plays at a higher level.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
What's wrong with chucking it when you are bowling?????
this would make sense if you have seen me bowl as I get called 'Murali'
red+black
30 May 2002, 15:32
Originally posted by SeinDude
My main issue with all of this is that a suspect bowling action should be detected way before the player makes it to international level!!
Yeah before a player has 600 test wickets would be good :confused:
I've commented on this issue before, and so most of you will know my thoughts on it are opposed to most of yours. I don't want to get involved in it again, so I'll just ask this question:
What's the advantage to a spinner of chucking? As far as I've seen, Murali has beaten most batsmen with spin, and a chucking action doesn't help with spin, I would have thought.
That's just my layman's viewpoint, and I'm sure there's a logical answer to it.
As far as Gilchrist is concerned, articles in the paper during the week seem to suggest he was well aware the press were there at the time. If the ACB has a clear policy regarding statements of the kind Gilchrist made, I don't think he has much to complain about.
Originally posted by London Dave
if the ump reckons its a chuck, he should call it
Dave pick up the paper he's not the only one in trouble for the English are making the same accusations about the new Sri Lankan quick.
Originally posted by RogerC
I've commented on this issue before, and so most of you will know my thoughts on it are opposed to most of yours. I don't want to get involved in it again, so I'll just ask this question:
What's the advantage to a spinner of chucking? As far as I've seen, Murali has beaten most batsmen with spin, and a chucking action doesn't help with spin, I would have thought.
That's just my layman's viewpoint, and I'm sure there's a logical answer to it.
Well they reckon that it does help impart more spin on the ball, a lot more in fact.Go in the back garden with a tennis ball & try bowling spin whilst straitening your arm quickly & see what you think.
SeinDude
30 May 2002, 21:59
Originally posted by DIPPER
Well they reckon that it does help impart more spin on the ball, a lot more in fact.Go in the back garden with a tennis ball & try bowling spin whilst straitening your arm quickly & see what you think.
DIPPER,
That is exactly right!! It's much easier to impart more spin on the ball when your arm is bent as opposed to when your arm is straight. I've heard the cricket commentators discuss this point at length and having tried to bowl spin with a bent arm in the backyard, you definately can get more spin then you do bowling "properly".
Back to the topic of Adam Gilchrist, the meeting with him and James Sutherland from the ACB went 4 hours tonight with the Australian Vice-Captain being repremanded for his comments.
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
I'll try that Dipper. Just tried the action out in my house and I nearly put my arm out!
Point taken - thanks, I've learnt something tonight.
GoEagles
31 May 2002, 01:25
Originally posted by SeinDude
Back to the topic of Adam Gilchrist, the meeting with him and James Sutherland from the ACB went 4 hours tonight with the Australian Vice-Captain being repremanded for his comments.
I'd like to know why on earth did the hearing go for 4 hours? Still I was glad Gilchrist didnt get fined or a suspended sentence. He didnt even deserve a repremand for voicing his own opinions in what he thought was a closed forum.
London Dave
31 May 2002, 01:29
Seindude, my problem is that the umpires cannot call a chuck....its a no ball, like overstepping, and should be called as such...the Sri lankan referred to, Perierra(sorry about spelling) was BLATANTLY and OBVIOUSLY throwing in the Lords test, but couldnt get called.
Mark Butcher is now in the same boat as Gilly, said Perierra was obviously throwing in a local newspaper column here.
SeinDude
31 May 2002, 09:50
Originally posted by London Dave
Seindude, my problem is that the umpires cannot call a chuck....its a no ball, like overstepping, and should be called as such...the Sri lankan referred to, Perierra(sorry about spelling) was BLATANTLY and OBVIOUSLY throwing in the Lords test, but couldnt get called.
Mark Butcher is now in the same boat as Gilly, said Perierra was obviously throwing in a local newspaper column here.
London Dave,
Ruchira Perera is the Sri Lankan left-arm medium fast bowler who's the latest to have their bowling action questioned. I know what you're saying about the umpires being able to call a no-ball when if he believes it's an illegal delivery, but it shouldn't even get to that stage!! Why wasn't this guy's action detected before he even made the Sri Lankan team???
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude