So Called Land Of The Free

[NiGHTFuRY]

Check this out. In the so called Land of the free this uni student gets tasared and arrested "for inciting a riot" for asking some plain questions to presidential candidate John Kerry. What heavy handed Cops. Makes me glad I'm an Aussie... The poor bastard gets roughed up for basically no reason.

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[GentlemanJeff]

Yep, John Kerry did not want to answer the tough questions so he set his henchmen on that poor student.

John Kerry is a typical democrat "lefty" - using police brutality to supress dissent.

[Stronzo]

You just have to look at the police response to the APEC protests last week to realise we aren't that far behind them.

[Belnakor]

The beatniks who showed up to APEC weren't welcome, and were just there to cause trouble.

[estibador]

John Kerry is a typical democrat "lefty" - using police brutality to supress dissent.

Yeah because the right have never been known to do that have they?

[Stronzo]

The beatniks who showed up to APEC weren't welcome, and were just there to cause trouble.
Granted one or two caused trouble but the police response was well over the top.

We are supposed to have the right to voice our opinions but with cops arresting jay walkers and not wearing their name badges was pretty inexusable.

You might not like protesters but you have to realise free speech is one of the founding tenents of liberal democracies.

[GentlemanJeff]

In the so called Land of the free



Whilst the clip is disturbing, the USA is still a shining light in the world when it comes to promoting freedom, justice and democracy. Clearly the Police over stepped the mark in the clip, but I don’t believe that should be used as an excuse to engage in some “Yank bashing”. In fact, the youtube clip has been met with horror in the USA and if the student complains then the incident will be investigated – that is justice at work. At least in America (and Australia) when the police over step the mark they are held accountable.

You just have to look at the police response to the APEC protests last week to realise we aren't that far behind them.

The APEC response was entirely proportionate to the threat. It is a fact that “professional protesters” were flying in to Sydney to participate in the trouble making.

A minority of Police did not wear the name tags because they are held in place by a sharp pin which could be a safety hazard. Most of the Police did wear a name tag (for all that it really matters) and those that did not were actually subject to internal investigation.

[Stronzo]

Whilst the clip is disturbing, the USA is still a shining light in the world when it comes to promoting freedom, justice and democracy. Clearly the Police over stepped the mark in the clip, but I don’t believe that should be used as an excuse to engage in some “Yank bashing”. In fact, the youtube clip has been met with horror in the USA and if the student complains then the incident will be investigated – that is justice at work. At least in America (and Australia) when the police over step the mark they are held accountable.



The APEC response was entirely proportionate to the threat. It is a fact that “professional protesters” were flying in to Sydney to participate in the trouble making.

A minority of Police did not wear the name tags because they are held in place by a sharp pin which could be a safety hazard. Most of the Police did wear a name tag (for all that it really matters) and those that did not were actually subject to internal investigation.
Come on GJ you don't really believe that pin nonsense do you?

The investigation turned out to be a whitewash.

[GentlemanJeff]

Yes, I do believe the Police over the word of some "professional protesters" that flew in from Europe to provoke violence.

The investigation was not a white wash - in fact the investigation has led to some real hard changes - from now on the badges will be made a cotton (so that there is no safety hazard).

Is that not a good result Stronzo? Protesters complained because (a minority) of Police officers did not wear badges (that were fastened on by a sharp pin). The Police officers involved responded by saying that the pins were dangerous. There was an investigation, and the result is that from now on a cotton name tag will be used which will mean that there is no excuse to not wear your name tag. How can the protesters possibly argue against that? It is a common sense response.

That is an example of our system working.

Imagine if some protesters in Iran complained about policemen "not wearing name tags". How would you go then?

[GentlemanJeff]

In fact, imagine if some "professional protesters" flew to Iran to take part in a street protest, and then complained because the riot police were not wearing "name tags".

I think those beatnik trouble makers should be very thankful that we live in a country as great as Australia.

[Stronzo]

Yes, I do believe the Police over the word of some "proffesional protesters" that flew in from Europe to provoke violence.

The investigation was not a white wash - in fact the investigation has led to some real hard changes - from now on the badges will be made a cotton (so that there is no safety hazard).

Is that not a good result Stronzo? Protesters complained because (a minority) of Police officers did not wear badges (that were fastened on by a sharp pin). The Police officers involved responded by saying that the pins were dangerous. There was an investigation, and the result is that from now on a cotton name tag will be used which will mean that there is no excuse to not wear your name tag. How can the protesters possibly argue against that? It is a common sense response.

That is an example of our system working.

Imagine if some protesters in Iran complained about policemen "not wearing name tags". How would you go then?
Ok point taken.

[peppy la pew]

I saw that guy on a news bulletin earlier and I laughed my tits off.

He was told his time was up but kept on grandstanding, and resisting arrest.


Don't Tase me Bro :D:thumbsu:

[NiGHTFuRY]

Perhaps GJ, the "professional students aka Professional protesters" are just a counterbalance to the minority of pro conservative section you are clearly placed.
You both seem to adhere to your agendas and blindly follow your leaders with Nazi like fervour.
The world is ultimately doomed as we as Humans are generally not able to compromise. It's always the need to push your agenda onto someone else, as you do with your liberal posts or your opposite the far right does with extreme socialism.
Greed too, is our undoing. Religion, to will also our downfall. The inability of any religion to tolerate anything thats not within the defined "rules" leads to the terrible violence and human suffering we see throughout the globe today. It will never ever end until there is only one holding sway, which will never happen.
At the very least we can debate this here on a forum, we are the lucky ones. Imagine if we lived in a troubled region like Da For in Sudan. We'd all be gunned down for even having the balls to voice such opinions.
The action's in the video hight light this new post Spt. 11 era of ultra fear that the West has. The Dark ages lasted 600 years. What's to say we haven't entered into another era of madness.
I draw all this from the heavy handed actions in a video.:p;)

[GentlemanJeff]

The action's in the video hight light this new post Spt. 11 era of ultra fear that the West has.

Mate, the video highlights that some Cops overstepped the mark.

Thankfully, in the USA and Australia when the police exceed their authority then they get investigated and punished.

If the rest of the world would embrace American values of freedom, justice and democracy then things would be alot better for everyone.

[Stronzo]

Perhaps GJ, the "professional students aka Professional protesters" are just a counterbalance to the minority of pro conservative section you are clearly placed.
You both seem to adhere to your agendas and blindly follow your leaders with Nazi like fervour.
The world is ultimately doomed as we as Humans are generally not able to compromise. It's always the need to push your agenda onto someone else, as you do with your liberal posts or your opposite the far right does with extreme socialism.
Religion is also our downfall. The inability of any religion to tolerate anything thats not within the defined "rules" leads to the terrible violence and human suffering we see throughout the globe today.
At the very least we can debate this here, we are the lucky ones. Imagine if we lived in a troubled region like Da For in Sudan. We'd all be gunned down for even having the balls to voice such opinions.
The action's in the video hight light this new post Spt. 11 era of ultra fear that the West has. The Dark ages lasted 600 years. What's to say we haven't entered into another era of madness.
I draw all this from the heavy handed actions in a video.:p;)
You make some good points. Historical forces move backwards just as quickly as they move forwards.

Have you heard of the Milgram experiments?

These experiments showed that the psychological power of following orders is very strong, even if those orders are to inflict pain on another person.

[Stronzo]

Mate, the video highlights that some Cops overstepped the mark.

Thankfully, in the USA and Australia when the police exceed their authority then they get investigated and punished.

If the rest of the world would embrace American values of freedom, justice and democracy then things would be alot better for everyone.
Its funny though these values are not really followed in the US.

[estibador]

If the rest of the world would embrace American values of freedom, justice and democracy then things would be alot better for everyone.

The Americans don't exactly have spotless values when it comes to overthrowing or attempting to assassinate democratically elected foreign leaders for their own ends. Nor when it comes to arming terrorists who are friendly to American interests.

Freedom and justice? Tell that to the Guantanamo Bay prisoners who've been held without charge for years. Or to prisoners who are tortured by proxy by American underlings working in other countries.

The American policy of freedom, justice and democracy applies to America and America only. Their foreign policy is breathtaking in it's hypocrisy. If the world followed America's example they'd invade every country whose government they didn't like.

But who cares why the US invaded Iraq right? Saddam was an evil man who deserved to be overthrown. No one would argue with that. So why then are the US allowing Mugabe to continue his reign of terror in Zimbabwe? Because there's no self interest for America at stake that's why. It's ok to be a murderous dictator as long as American interests aren't threatened. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Truth, justice and the American way - as long as you're fortunate enough to be born American. Otherwise let's kill em all and let Allah sort em out, right?

[NiGHTFuRY]

.... and we are tied in with this American Imperialism whether we like it or not.

Afghanistan was at least in theory the right move in trying to dismantle an terrorist state. The taliban ran a 10th century regime that including mass murder of their own people (religious & tribal intolerance) and wiping out 1000's of years of their own unique culture and history because it wasn't Islamic enough for them.
Iraq was a mistake, as has been proven time and again. Now a power vacuum has been created by an poorly spoken President. How stupid is he. He declared the end of active war, only now to have more troops than ever fighting in Iraq. What a tool - that only spurred on the insurgents and various factions in that nations descent into anarchy, civil war and oblivion. The west created that maelstrom.
GJ and Belkanor seem to like to run Rudd down so much - but we have a Prime Minister who went along with that whole Iraq lie knowingly.

It's time to go.. John Howard. :thumbsd:

[dockers_bengals]

Mate, the video highlights that some Cops overstepped the mark.

Thankfully, in the USA and Australia when the police exceed their authority then they get investigated and punished.

If the rest of the world would embrace American values of freedom, justice and democracy then things would be alot better for everyone.

Ilmao,you forgot to say if the media show police exceeding their authority then they get punished.
Oh and its freedom,justice and the american way