View Full Version : Trade deal - Tim Boyle for Farren Ray .....
Noel Gallagher
21 Sep 2007, 09:54
Before everyone bags the crap out of me on this one just hear me out....
Everyone is acutely aware of the fact that the Bulldogs are screaming out for KP players. I would suggest that the addition of two quality KPP would put them back in the ball park as a serious contender in 08. With guys like Griffen, Cooney, Cross in the midfield and a good run with injuries, they can seriously challenge next year.
With our great team, I feel that once Dowler and Thorpe come on, someone has to miss out amongst the talls. Don't get wrong i love Boyler and despite him lowering his colours late in the year (after doing his hammy) I think that we should explore a trade whilst he still has some currency.
So how about a staright swap with Footscary for Farren Ray? For a high draft pick (#2) a few a go, I hear that the club feels that he hasn't come on as much as they would have liked. All in all though Ray is a quick outside mid who can kick goals. I also feel that he would really blosson playing amongst amongst Hodge Lewis and Mitchell in the midfield.
Boyler is no more than two years older than Ray so I believe that this is a genuine staright swap.
What are your thoughts???
NOOO
Boyle will be a star! - He can kick, mark, he's smart, adds diversity to our forward line.
Until Thorp and Dowler do show something, why should we begin disecting our forward line now?
We also don't need an 'outside midfielder'. We have so many players like him coming through.. Muston, Tuck - the gem of outside mids, ect..
Only target players we NEED!
Tasmaniac
21 Sep 2007, 10:01
No, Farren Ray is/will be a dud. Has been quite disappointing from what I've seen.
Physically small, timid, not ultra pacy, not an excellent kick.
So no.
Hawkers Hero
21 Sep 2007, 10:03
Before everyone bags the crap out of me on this one just hear me out....
Everyone is acutely aware of the fact that the Bulldogs are screaming out for KP players. I would suggest that the addition of two quality KPP would put them back in the ball park as a serious contender in 08. With guys like Griffen, Cooney, Cross in the midfield and a good run with injuries, they can seriously challenge next year.
With our great team, I feel that once Dowler and Thorpe come on, someone has to miss out amongst the talls. Don't get wrong i love Boyler and despite him lowering his colours late in the year (after doing his hammy) I think that we should explore a trade whilst he still has some currency.
So how about a staright swap with Footscary for Farren Ray? For a high draft pick (#2) a few a go, I hear that the club feels that he hasn't come on as much as they would have liked. All in all though Ray is a quick outside mid who can kick goals. I also feel that he would really blosson playing amongst amongst Hodge Lewis and Mitchell in the midfield.
Boyler is no more than two years older than Ray so I believe that this is a genuine staright swap.
What are your thoughts???
I like it although I dont think the doggies would go for it. In the limited games I have seen, I thought Ray was better than a few of their other picks in Cooney and Griffen. Another positive is that I am pretty sure hes a right footer which in our team would make him near priceless.
I'm with you on Boyle, with some of our kids coming through next year, it looks like either Dowler or Boyle could become a regular for Box Hill and while I rate him as a player, I do think it would be better to offload him now while he has 'currency' instead of letting him diminish in value (and hurt his career) sitting in Box Hill next year.
Robber Baron
21 Sep 2007, 10:08
Key position players are more valuable then midfielders so Boyle is worth a lot more then Ray. I reocn hes worth Cooney or Griffen. If Pelchin can get us one of them then thats a fair trade.
The TACHawks
21 Sep 2007, 10:18
Nope...why make the doggies any stronger?
Boyle will add more to that team than Ray to ours!
PADJUAN
21 Sep 2007, 10:22
Clinton Young is becoming twice the player Farren Ray is, so we dont need him. we have Birchall, Muston & Tuck who play the same role.. theres enough depth there. No point trading Boyle until Dowler or Thorp are ready to fill his spot either.
kirbatron
21 Sep 2007, 10:51
I reocn hes worth Cooney or Griffen.
lmao
no chance in hell
I rate Josh Thurgood ahead of Farren Ray....
Higgins and Higgins only from the Dogs.
Why would you bother posting such a stupid question? I feel dumber even responding to your proposal to consider trading someone like Boyle, its people like you that are ruining football. If you don't know what you're talking about why would you post? Get a life ya loser....so gay!
Smiggs Pig
21 Sep 2007, 11:13
I like it although I dont think the doggies would go for it. In the limited games I have seen, I thought Ray was better than a few of their other picks in Cooney and Griffen. Another positive is that I am pretty sure hes a right footer which in our team would make him near priceless.
WHAT??
Key position players are more valuable then midfielders so Boyle is worth a lot more then Ray. I reocn hes worth Cooney or Griffen. If Pelchin can get us one of them then thats a fair trade.
WHAT??
The comments above are not worth discussing any further.
JezzHawk
21 Sep 2007, 11:15
Why would you bother posting such a stupid question? I feel dumber even responding to your proposal to consider trading someone like Boyle, its people like you that are ruining football. If you don't know what you're talking about why would you post? Get a life ya loser....so gay!
Mate, what your talking about. This is a discussion and your comments is a disgrace.
Noel has raised a valid arguement in that our forward line is top heavy in Roughead, Franklin, Boyle, Dowler and Thorp. This year we were exposed with a lack of a small forward..(when the rain comes the KPP are useless). We are in desperate need of a speedy crumbing type of forward.
As for me, I would consider trading Boyle once Dowler and Thorp progress more.
Boyle for Cooney:D
i wish
brookers#5
21 Sep 2007, 12:20
I understand where the oringinal poster is coming from but i dont think Ray is the man, i'd rather Gia if anyone from there. Higgins is the most overrated kid, his won the grand total of 3 hardball gets in his career & is just like the rest of his team front runners who won the going gets tough go missing.
Roughie
21 Sep 2007, 12:22
He is a girl trapped in a boys body
hawkheart
21 Sep 2007, 12:26
Higgins and Higgins only from the Dogs.
The Dogs have two Higginses? Do we need two of them?
No, Farren Ray is/will be a dud. Has been quite disappointing from what I've seen.
Physically small, timid, not ultra pacy, not an excellent kick.
So no.
Just plain wrong here,
Thin yes but not small, quite courageous for his size, very quick and excellent kick of both feet.
I don't advocate trading Boyle for him at all, but even if we attempted the Dogs would want added value
Boyler_Room
21 Sep 2007, 13:09
We need KP backmen and goalsneaks, if you could get a decent one of those for Boyle, then maybe.
Londoner86
21 Sep 2007, 13:34
The Dogs have two Higginses? Do we need two of them?
Yes, there are two:
1. Mr Higgins
2. Missy Higgins
The latter is a better footballer, though.
.
dipper86
21 Sep 2007, 13:39
Key position players are more valuable then midfielders so Boyle is worth a lot more then Ray. I reocn hes worth Cooney or Griffen. If Pelchin can get us one of them then thats a fair trade.
You have some serious issues. Take of those rose colored glasses and be realistic for once in your life.
Each time i read your posts i get dumber for the experience. :thumbsd:
FriarTuck
21 Sep 2007, 13:40
Boyle for Higgins works for me. They need a tall forward, we need a snappy HFF.
Boyle has been great this year. We look like having a surplus of marking forwards. Dowler, Thorp, Morton, Roughie, Buddy and Willo all play a mark and kick game.
The doggies have got to do something. They were exposed this year.
angry steve
21 Sep 2007, 13:54
Key position players are more valuable then midfielders so Boyle is worth a lot more then Ray. I reocn hes worth Cooney or Griffen. If Pelchin can get us one of them then thats a fair trade.
That is seriously one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Have you even watched a game of football before?
You need to go to the brain shop and buy a new one.....
Why would you bother posting such a stupid question? I feel dumber even responding to your proposal to consider trading someone like Boyle, its people like you that are ruining football. If you don't know what you're talking about why would you post? Get a life ya loser....so gay!
Mate, what your talking about. This is a discussion and your comments is a disgrace.
Noel has raised a valid arguement in that our forward line is top heavy in Roughead, Franklin, Boyle, Dowler and Thorp. This year we were exposed with a lack of a small forward..(when the rain comes the KPP are useless). We are in desperate need of a speedy crumbing type of forward.
As for me, I would consider trading Boyle once Dowler and Thorp progress more.
I agree, go away....that was so uncalled for.
You have some serious issues. Take of those rose colored glasses and be realistic for once in your life.
Each time i read your posts i get dumber for the experience. :thumbsd:
Oh robber....maybe he should go and robber brain .....hahahahahahahaah
Oh my.... jokes are fun.
Hedgehodgy
21 Sep 2007, 16:11
Farren Ray is so bad he doesnt even have a proper name
Tasmaniac
21 Sep 2007, 16:17
Just plain wrong here,
Thin yes but not small, quite courageous for his size, very quick and excellent kick of both feet.
I don't advocate trading Boyle for him at all, but even if we attempted the Dogs would want added value
We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought he was pitiful against us. In general I haven't been impressed Re: what he's accomplished for pick 4. His skills are good, but not excellent, and he's defintely small.
Rexcellent
21 Sep 2007, 16:20
I like it although I dont think the doggies would go for it. In the limited games I have seen, I thought Ray was better than a few of their other picks in Cooney and Griffen. Another positive is that I am pretty sure hes a right footer which in our team would make him near priceless.
I'm with you on Boyle, with some of our kids coming through next year, it looks like either Dowler or Boyle could become a regular for Box Hill and while I rate him as a player, I do think it would be better to offload him now while he has 'currency' instead of letting him diminish in value (and hurt his career) sitting in Box Hill next year.
limited games, are u actually serious? i cant think of many games well Ray has stood out, ESPECIALLY not compared to Cooney and Griffin
right........:confused:
Rexcellent
21 Sep 2007, 16:21
He is a girl trapped in a boys body
haha ive been looking for a way to describe it, :D:p
We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought he was pitiful against us. In general I haven't been impressed Re: what he's accomplished for pick 4. His skills are good, but not excellent, and he's defintely small.
Fair eough mate,
I agree he was poor against us but he had a few friends, not indicative of what he can produce.
BTW 187 cm and 87 kg is not small,
wiry, thin yup, not small!
OP should be banned for stupidity. l agree with with the guy getting flamed a moment ago, Ant V l think.
Seriously, Farren Ray is a certifiable dud. Boyle was a revelation. Why trade away someone that's making our forward line dangerous for a middy who'd be battling with Tuck and Muston for a gig next year.
Stupid.
Tasmaniac
21 Sep 2007, 17:30
Fair eough mate,
I agree he was poor against us but he had a few friends, not indicative of what he can produce.
BTW 187 cm and 87 kg is not small,
wiry, thin yup, not small!
Shi-ite, sorry mate. That's definitely decent size, are you sure you've got that stat's for the right guy?
I'm amazed he's that big. (I better go and have a look).
Hawk0373
21 Sep 2007, 17:51
I'd swap him for Ladson.
Londoner86
21 Sep 2007, 18:19
I'd swap him for Ladson.
Why swap Tim Boyle for Ladson?
We already have Ladson. :rolleyes:
Hawk0373
21 Sep 2007, 18:22
Why swap Tim Boyle for Ladson?
We already have Ladson. :rolleyes:
fray for laddo londoner, but somehow i think you already knew that..;)
Before everyone bags the crap out of me on this one just hear me out....
Everyone is acutely aware of the fact that the Bulldogs are screaming out for KP players. I would suggest that the addition of two quality KPP would put them back in the ball park as a serious contender in 08. With guys like Griffen, Cooney, Cross in the midfield and a good run with injuries, they can seriously challenge next year.
With our great team, I feel that once Dowler and Thorpe come on, someone has to miss out amongst the talls. Don't get wrong i love Boyler and despite him lowering his colours late in the year (after doing his hammy) I think that we should explore a trade whilst he still has some currency.
So how about a staright swap with Footscary for Farren Ray? For a high draft pick (#2) a few a go, I hear that the club feels that he hasn't come on as much as they would have liked. All in all though Ray is a quick outside mid who can kick goals. I also feel that he would really blosson playing amongst amongst Hodge Lewis and Mitchell in the midfield.
Boyler is no more than two years older than Ray so I believe that this is a genuine staright swap.
What are your thoughts???
Farren Ray will be at Fremantle next year.
I agree with the out Boyle bit but not with the In Ray bit. As some posters have already said, Higgins looks the goods.
Would a straight swap: Boyle for Higgins work?
Maybe they could throw in their 3rd pick.
croady_fan24
21 Sep 2007, 18:38
NOOO
Boyle will be a star! - He can kick, mark, he's smart, adds diversity to our forward line.
Until Thorp and Dowler do show something, why should we begin disecting our forward line now?
We also don't need an 'outside midfielder'. We have so many players like him coming through.. Muston, Tuck - the gem of outside mids, ect..
Only target players we NEED!
yeh agree. Boyle is a star..but didnt show it the end of this year.
dipper86
21 Sep 2007, 18:49
I thought Boyle had really turned it around this year, but sadly in one moment against North in the final last week, he absolutley shat his pants and squibbed it, which totally changed my mind on him, to do this in a final on the big stage has put a cross through his name in my opinion. Trade the pea heart, you can't carry weak minded players in finals.
If we can get a quality player out of this then do it, Farren Ray is not the answer. We do have back up in Dowler and Thorpe coming through so if we can find the right trade then do it.
Adelaide Hawk
21 Sep 2007, 19:26
So how about a staright swap with Footscary for Farren Ray? For a high draft pick (#2) a few a go, I hear that the club feels that he hasn't come on as much as they would have liked.
That's because he hasn't. I haven't seen every game he's played but he hasn't impressed me all that much. On what I've seen, I'd rather keep Boyle.
Flashhh
21 Sep 2007, 20:05
Ok well as an outside with no real interest in the club I have a few things to say....
Number One - Ant V, i think it is, your are an absolute joke mate.
Number Two - To Robber someone?? or whoever it was that said Boyle was on par or as valuable and had as much currency as Cooney or Griffen you are also an absolute joke. Ryan Griffen is worth waaaaaaaayyyyy more.
Number Three - I think that Tim Boyle should be traded, not because he is no good but because you already have tall forwards like Roughead, Franklin, Dowler, Thorp, Williams (plays tall). You may as well trade Boyle now and get something good for him to improve deficencies.
As a Melbourne supporter I would be happy to take Boyle if they right deal came there but wouldn't go after him as our main focus should be a key defender but yeh thats my view.
That's deliberate
21 Sep 2007, 20:15
I'd take Farren Ray over Tim Boyle all day every day....there you go:thumbsu:
The Kipster
22 Sep 2007, 02:24
I'd take Farren Ray over Tim Boyle all day every day....there you go:thumbsu:
You have obvioulsy seen alot of Farren Ray :rolleyes: he was a friggin hack here and he is a hack there..you can take the hack out of the state but you can't change the state of the hack :eek: