Oakley-Nicholls

[The Royal Sampler]

I was watching the Coburg vs. Williamstown game last week, and although my ABC reception isn't flash, I was having a good look at Oakley-Nicholls at times. He looks to have put on some real muscle!

The Richmond official website has him at 75 kgs, and he looks like he's more than that now. He was a drink of water when he was drafted, right?

I hope Brad Dick gets on whatever program JON is on, because it seems to be working.

[PHX]

Yeah looks around 85ish now. Was an absolute stick, his legs still are but core seems strong.

Putting on some good muscle. Just needs to get confidence now. :(

[krustyman]

jon run and carry from defense was a feature of the game.

[RichosGuns]

He needs a whole lot more then confidence...he needs skills - he needs to do ALOT next year to show he should be kept with.

Skills: 2/10
Height: 10/10
Weight: 5/10
Mark:7/10
Pace; 3/10 (never uses it)

2nd year player, pick 9.... waste

We need to stop drafting athletes in hope of stealing a Goodes or Pendlebury (our most succesful attemp has been Jackson) and instead draft football players like Coughlan and Conners

[JSFish]

Bigger but still shit

[RichosGuns]

He has not had 1 effective possesion today as far as i have seen.... as i say this he takes a promosing mark:o.... and kicks it out on the full:(

[hougie]

He needs a whole lot more then confidence...he needs skills - he needs to do ALOT next year to show he should be kept with.

Skills: 2/10
Height: 10/10
Weight: 5/10
Mark:7/10
Pace; 3/10 (never uses it)

2nd year player, pick 9.... waste

We need to stop drafting athletes in hope of stealing a Goodes or Pendlebury (our most succesful attemp has been Jackson) and instead draft football players like Coughlan and Conners

pick 8... even worse.

[RichosGuns]

He kicked a goal...but that still doesn't count as an effective pass:o

[jackson_rules]

He kicked a goal...but that still doesn't count as an effective pass:o
you said effective possession not pass

[RichosGuns]

you said effective possession not pass

...meh, hardy the point don't ya think

[UpTheGuts]

Toilet.

Hasn't really ever looked anything other than that though.

Would probably win 2 Brownlows at Port

[Bazzar]

6 possesions - 5 clangers - 1 goal

[ImaBeliever!]

I was watching the Coburg vs. Williamstown game last week, and although my ABC reception isn't flash, I was having a good look at Oakley-Nicholls at times. He looks to have put on some real muscle!

The Richmond official website has him at 75 kgs, and he looks like he's more than that now. He was a drink of water when he was drafted, right?

I hope Brad Dick gets on whatever program JON is on, because it seems to be working.


No, it was just your TV reception. ;)

[cairo tiger]

hes rubbish

[richcogs]

Wouldn't be surprised if we delist him! Absolute crap!

[Truetiger]

I dont give a stuff if he has just signed a 3 year contract. He has to go he does not have any sort of future on the football field. Sooner we offload him the sooner we can move on.

[Realistic Tiger]

So many experts after seeing a kid play 2 seasons without a real pre season under his belt. Would hate for another kid to get the arse from Richmond only to end up having a dozen threads in 12 months time stating how much we stuffed up by letting him go. Seems to be a bit of that happening at present as it is.

[Truetiger]

So many experts after seeing a kid play 2 seasons without a real pre season under his belt. Would hate for another kid to get the arse from Richmond only to end up having a dozen threads in 12 months time stating how much we stuffed up by letting him go. Seems to be a bit of that happening at present as it is.

It wont be a stuff up by letting him go. He is clearly not up2 it.

[hougie]

I dont give a stuff if he has just signed a 3 year contract. He has to go he does not have any sort of future on the football field. Sooner we offload him the sooner we can move on.

This is exactly what people were saying about Rodan last year, now we have threads calling out Miller for letting him go.

JON will get better, hopefully to the point where he'll make in the AFL. But giving him the chop now is just silly. Considering he was such a lank, I would treat him like a KPP in terms of length of time needed for development.

At the moment though, I concur in that he is crap and I cringe every time he gets the ball.

[Realistic Tiger]

It wont be a stuff up by letting him go. He is clearly not up2 it.
Go read the Rodan posts from 12 months ago when the same things were being said about him. Coburg was beaten by 12-13 goals and you expect a kid to be outstanding or something. Bit like Laidley labelling McIntosh, Hale and a few others as the culprits for their hiding last night when they had at least 12-16 teammates who were in the same boat.

[RichosGuns]

give him 1 more year

[crowsarethebest]

He really needs to work on his kcking. Watched him on telle a few times this year and his kicking especially the way he drops the ball is not flash. He doesn't hit the tagets often enough. Needs to back his pace more... you can tell he has explosive pace but he doesn't use it. Get him to work on his kicking... I think he can get enoguh of the ball fine but really needs a lot of work on his kicking. BTW what position do you guys think he plays best in? Looks a utility type.

[Deledio2Tambling]

Use him in the potential Morton trade.

[mudgeathon]

I've watched him a few times [for Coburg and against West Coast] [I'll admit only about 5 times though]

However, for a guy touted to be one of the faster players from his draft - I don't think I've ever seen him use it

His confidence looks shot as well, doesn't wan't to back himself, tries to get rid of the ball too quickly without assesing other options

I hope he comes good though

Looked a real talent back in the draft camp

[Truetiger]

Go read the Rodan posts from 12 months ago when the same things were being said about him. Coburg was beaten by 12-13 goals and you expect a kid to be outstanding or something. Bit like Laidley labelling McIntosh, Hale and a few others as the culprits for their hiding last night when they had at least 12-16 teammates who were in the same boat.

I rated Rodan. Always have. However this kid i dont.

[dipper86]

6 possesions - 5 clangers - 1 goal

Rodan > JON :)

[tigertiger]

Rodan > JON :)


hey dipper86 no one asked you **** off back to the hawscum board

[Stripes666]

I like him and always have. I exploded when he kicked a goal

[Realistic Tiger]

I rated Rodan. Always have. However this kid i dont.
The point of it was the side got thumped today and you can't expect to have many winners or even good performances in a game like that. FWIW let the kid do a pre season and then go into a season with a solid fitness base to work with and see what happens in 08.

[ImaBeliever!]

The point of it was the side got thumped today and you can't expect to have many winners or even good performances in a game like that. FWIW let the kid do a pre season and then go into a season with a solid fitness base to work with and see what happens in 08.

Wisdom, RT.

[Richo=Champion]

still a dud!!! get rid of him waste of time:thumbsd:

[Realistic Tiger]

Wisdom, RT.
I'm just sick of the crap that gets thrown up when one of kids has a poor stretch and gets labelled a dud then when they finally blossom you have people jumping on back slapping them like they loved them all along. Not having a go at anyone who has posted here but this is more a general comment. I reckon if I went back over the last 12-18 months I would find people who have wanted Jackson, Moore, McGuane & Pattison amongst others to be given the flick for apparently not being up to it and yet those same people would be one of the first in the line wanting to heap praise on these kids now that they have shown something.

[TOA.]

You guys are stiff, JON looked like a very good prospect as a junior. Maybe not worth pick 8 but definitley inside the top 12.

Maybe its your player development thats at issue. JON and Meyer were talented kids who just havent fired a shot.

[benny_furs]

He's still on track to be better than Pettifer when you compare their careers.

But oh damn, the experts have spoken, just like they told me Rodan was no good 12 months ago! Geez common sense would tell you that delisting someone like JON this year would be about the dumbest thing we could do.

I guess you are the same people hoping we pick up Silvester and Neville :thumbsd:

[ImaBeliever!]

I'm just sick of the crap that gets thrown up when one of kids has a poor stretch and gets labelled a dud then when they finally blossom you have people jumping on back slapping them like they loved them all along. Not having a go at anyone who has posted here but this is more a general comment. I reckon if I went back over the last 12-18 months I would find people who have wanted Jackson, Moore, McGuane & Pattison amongst others to be given the flick for apparently not being up to it and yet those same people would be one of the first in the line wanting to heap praise on these kids now that they have shown something.


Yep, the trouble is that most of us are success-starved and need to see instant impact from our young players, no matter their physical or technical development.

The other problem is we all wear our heart on our sleves, and if a guy puts in some poor performances we take it as a personal insult, and react accordingly.

Just hope that kids like JON don't look at these forums; they should be kept in a cocoon and protected from the sort of potentially confidence-destroying comments that can be posted here.

[French Tiger]

It looks like he has never played the game until we picked him up.He seems to have no idea.I think he will stay on the list though due to us not wanting to look like we have stuffed another early pick.They will tell us he just need time.:rolleyes:

[Truetiger]

:confused:


Why did Richmond re sign him for 3 more bloody years. He has done nothing to warrant a new contract let alone a place on the list for more then a day.

It looks like he has never played the game

Wish he never played a game on todays form and all years form as well.

[French Tiger]

[QUOTE=Truetiger;8891197]:confused:


Why did Richmond re sign him for 3 more bloody years. He has done nothing to warrant a new contract let alone a place on the list for more then a day.



Tell me your kidding ? Why on earth would they sign JON for 3 more years,does anyone down there no what they are doing?

[hougie]

Tell me your kidding ? Why on earth would they sign JON for 3 more years,does anyone down there no what they are doing?

Well the name Richmond is often associated with the word basketcase. ;)

[Bazzar]

can anyone post some factual evidence. I doubt it very much. If they have ass needs to be kicked.

[ImaBeliever!]

It looks like he has never played the game until we picked him up.He seems to have no idea.I think he will stay on the list though due to us not wanting to look like we have stuffed another early pick.They will tell us he just need time.:rolleyes:


Actually thats pretty funny. He does seem like one of those Irish experiments such as Setanta. Hopefully he can get a hang of the 'foreign' code after a while as well.

[deliberate!!]

I'm just sick of the crap that gets thrown up when one of kids has a poor stretch and gets labelled a dud then when they finally blossom you have people jumping on back slapping them like they loved them all along. Not having a go at anyone who has posted here but this is more a general comment. I reckon if I went back over the last 12-18 months I would find people who have wanted Jackson, Moore, McGuane & Pattison amongst others to be given the flick for apparently not being up to it and yet those same people would be one of the first in the line wanting to heap praise on these kids now that they have shown something.

He where your point falls flat on it's ass RT....
Jackson is now an above average VFL.....nothing more....not a Senior AFL player....we've tested that dud over and over again.
Moore....should stay at VFL level for ever....that's his footballing ceiling.
McGuane's a Senior player.(So you've got 1 out of 3 so far!)
Pattison - not a rucking choice in any other team with fit ruckmen, so please tell me where the heck are going to play him? And don't BS, you wouldn't start Patto anywhere normally.
So 1 out of your 4 you want people to rave about will be long term AFL Players. Who's wrong? You are!

All bar McGuane were not up to consistent AFL Football then and still aren't. You have no proof these players are any better than when they first started except McGuane.

So anybody that said the 4 were crap are 75% right (with McGuane omitted). That's a lot better than your blind 100% that they are all good players.

[Calcium Man]

We need to stop drafting athletes in hope of stealing a Goodes or Pendlebury (our most succesful attemp has been Jackson) and instead draft football players like Coughlan and Conners

Yeah Jackson took 4 years and was able to complete pre seasons. Was always a long term project.

Is really lacking confidence ATM but has the tools to work with.

[deliberate!!]

Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls....
Was there a consensus around the boardroom table to pick up this dud?
Was it Miller and Wallace?
I'd love to know who made the final decision on this guy, because he hasn't
changed since he walked in the door. He was hopeless then, and still is.

Who is it at Richmond that saw something in him that has not eventuated.
Do we to test our recruiting department for the use of hallucinatory substances?

We're paying membership money for these crap selections!

[deliberate!!]

He's still on track to be better than Pettifer when you compare their careers.

But oh damn, the experts have spoken, just like they told me Rodan was no good 12 months ago! Geez common sense would tell you that delisting someone like JON this year would be about the dumbest thing we could do.

I guess you are the same people hoping we pick up Silvester and Neville :thumbsd:

Are you looking in your 'Stats Crystal Ball' again?
Never Benny......Pettifer still could get the footy......you're tripping!

[Stripes666]

I want this thread to be bumped when he becomes a player and I want my post here to be recognised.
He will be a player!!!

[Realistic Tiger]

He where your point falls flat on it's ass RT....
Jackson is now an above average VFL.....nothing more....not a Senior AFL player....we've tested that dud over and over again.
Moore....should stay at VFL level for ever....that's his footballing ceiling.
McGuane's a Senior player.(So you've got 1 out of 3 so far!)
Pattison - not a rucking choice in any other team with fit ruckmen, so please tell me where the heck are going to play him? And don't BS, you wouldn't start Patto anywhere normally.
So 1 out of your 4 you want people to rave about will be long term AFL Players. Who's wrong? You are!

All bar McGuane were not up to consistent AFL Football then and still aren't. You have no proof these players are any better than when they first started except McGuane.

So anybody that said the 4 were crap are 75% right (with McGuane omitted). That's a lot better than your blind 100% that they are all good players.
I never suggested they were AFL standard just merely pointing out that as soon someone on our list shows something, in fact anything, the back slapping begins and when they don't show something, the daggers in the back replace the slaps on the back.

The other thing is most of the list is 2-3 years into their careers and here we have a board full of posters, most of whom I gather have never played higher that park footy with their mates, calling them duds. I get we are all entitled to our opinions but to slag these kids off and its not just JON others cop it too, without knowing the full story, to me is a bit stupid.

[Richmond FC]

JON in my eyes is a similar case to Fremantles Michael Johnson however slightly smaller he can be a very good HBF for mine. He is 190cm extremely pacey. As said before he simply needs a serious confidence boost.

[deliberate!!]

I never suggested they were AFL standard just merely pointing out that as soon someone on our list shows something, in fact anything, the back slapping begins and when they don't show something, the daggers in the back replace the slaps on the back.

The other thing is most of the list is 2-3 years into their careers and here we have a board full of posters, most of whom I gather have never played higher that park footy with their mates, calling them duds. I get we are all entitled to our opinions but to slag these kids off and its not just JON others cop it too, without knowing the full story, to me is a bit stupid.

No RT...
You are using a generalization that is creeping onto this board.....and it goes like this...

A poster here (any guy....you in this instance) gets all excited cause a player who has performed badly, regularly (who you want to defend anyway) has 1 or 2 good games and you start with this rant...(I've broken it down)

"So I bet now that X is playing well, I could go back so far and find that the same people who said X was crap are now back-slapping him"

So you come off as the great freakin football wizard.. wow..IN HINDSIGHT...

Well if you're going to come up with this old piece of BS drivel.....PROVIDE NAMES TO BACK UP THAT EASY GENERALIZTION THAT JUST ROLLS OFF SOME PEOPLE'S TONGUES...

If you think you know people who have changed opinion OUT THEM!
Otherwise, you're talking through you're ass.

I know for a fact I'll stand by my opinions. (Example: All those Richmond- VFL-Coburg clowns today, except Jack & Mcguane - rest are rubbish)
If I'm PROVEN wrong I'll admit to it.
(I was probably wrong on the Gas-Kellaway goings. I thought we should have kept one for safety reasons. But then again, who was to know Thursty and McGuane would develop together so quickly. We basically replaced Gas-Kellaway overnight!)

So do me a favor and drop the 'I know baggers who are backslappers now' BS unless you can prove it. Otherwise you look a dicck.

[Bojangles17]

a few times he trapped the ball well, moved nicely only to %&^$ it up with a poor decision kicking to pressure situations....Not sure where to from here with htis fella...Id be looking to use him in the trade for Morton

[goodie]

hes a tough one, personally no time for him but he is quite sizey and has pace. was beaten by davenport quite early which resulted in a change. not very accountable i thought.

[Realistic Tiger]

No RT...
You are using a generalization that is creeping onto this board.....and it goes like this...

A poster here (any guy....you in this instance) gets all excited cause a player who has performed badly, regularly (who you want to defend anyway) has 1 or 2 good games and you start with this rant...(I've broken it down)

"So I bet now that X is playing well, I could go back so far and find that the same people who said X was crap are now back-slapping him"

So you come off as the great freakin football wizard.. wow..IN HINDSIGHT...

Well if you're going to come up with this old piece of BS drivel.....PROVIDE NAMES TO BACK UP THAT EASY GENERALIZTION THAT JUST ROLLS OFF SOME PEOPLE'S TONGUES...

If you think you know people who have changed opinion OUT THEM!
Otherwise, you're talking through you're ass.

I know for a fact I'll stand by my opinions. (Example: All those Richmond- VFL-Coburg clowns today, except Jack & Mcguane - rest are rubbish)
If I'm PROVEN wrong I'll admit to it.
(I was probably wrong on the Gas-Kellaway goings. I thought we should have kept one for safety reasons. But then again, who was to know Thursty and McGuane would develop together so quickly. We basically replaced Gas-Kellaway overnight!)

So do me a favor and drop the 'I know baggers who are backslappers now' BS unless you can prove it. Otherwise you look a dicck.
I'm not going to go out and pull up the previous posts of posters and cause them humiliation because the slagged off a bloke and then changed their mind we all do it from time to time regardless.

The point I was trying to get across is too often we (I do mean we as a whole) are too quick to pass judgement on a kid and say they are no good only to see that kid get some game time and start to develop into a decent footballer then we start talking them up as potentially good footballers. I just don't see why we can't just let the players develop and then pass judgement after 3 years in the system rather than the first 1-2 years when they are still finding their feet.

[The Royal Sampler]

Wow, I got four pages after asking how much weight he'd added since being drafted! :eek: :D

[tigertiger]

Wow, I got four pages after asking how much weight he'd added since being drafted! :eek: :D

nice work sampler

Richmond are in the midst of rebuilding there list, it was identified a few years ago that our senior list were not up to it. Every list has project players JON looked good in patches today and may yet come good he has size pace skill and age on his side. So we let him go then the same tools who want to get rid of anyone who is not a star in there first year will come on and say oh why cant we develop players

If we are to build a list with depth we need players like this who may come on at some point. I think he is worth the risk.

[W. Smithers]

Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls....
Was there a consensus around the boardroom table to pick up this dud?
Was it Miller and Wallace?
I'd love to know who made the final decision on this guy, because he hasn't
changed since he walked in the door. He was hopeless then, and still is.

Who is it at Richmond that saw something in him that has not eventuated.
Do we to test our recruiting department for the use of hallucinatory substances?

We're paying membership money for these crap selections!
Miller and Wallace may have known back then that Judd would leave the Eagles in 2007.

We picked JoN, Hughes and Casserley in that draft to tank for the 2007 #1 PSD pick.

At least one of these 3 should be playing frequent AFL senior football after 2 years. Instead, Hughes played in the thirds GF, JoN somehow keeps getting a game in the Coburg twos and Casserley has never played a senior game in 2 years.

[benny_furs]

In the paper it had his weight. Forget the figure, but I noticed he weighed MORE than Pat Bowden :confused: Is the paper correct because it sounds unusual.

[Rayzorwire]

In the paper it had his weight. Forget the figure, but I noticed he weighed MORE than Pat Bowden :confused: Is the paper correct because it sounds unusual.


Muscle weighs more than cream? ;)

[lids_tiger_army]

I was watching the Coburg vs. Williamstown game last week, and although my ABC reception isn't flash, I was having a good look at Oakley-Nicholls at times. He looks to have put on some real muscle!

The Richmond official website has him at 75 kgs, and he looks like he's more than that now. He was a drink of water when he was drafted, right?

I hope Brad Dick gets on whatever program JON is on, because it seems to be working.
it doesnt matter how much weight he puts on, he will always have the strengh, awareness and ability of an under 12s kid who plays playstation all week..

[delricho12]

Wouldn't be surprised if we delist him! Absolute crap!
No wonder other clubs rubbish our supporters all i hear is delist I will ask how many players should we get rid off this pre season. I reakon so far there has been about 15-20 names thrown up.UNBELEIVABLE!!!!! Then when jon goes to another club and becomes a good player you will all be the first to say what is wrong we delist a good player. I bet last year evreyone would have Rodan on there list to delist.GET BEHIND THE CLUB AND STOP CRITICIZING.Go TIGES 2008 and prove these negative so called supporters wrong.j

[delricho12]

Wouldn't be surprised if we delist him! Absolute crap!
I hope we keep him and give him a chance he has had injury proplems as well.

[Goldust]

No wonder other clubs rubbish our supporters all i hear is delist I will ask how many players should we get rid off this pre season. I reakon so far there has been about 15-20 names thrown up.UNBELEIVABLE!!!!! Then when jon goes to another club and becomes a good player you will all be the first to say what is wrong we delist a good player. I bet last year evreyone would have Rodan on there list to delist.GET BEHIND THE CLUB AND STOP CRITICIZING.Go TIGES 2008 and prove these negative so called supporters wrong.j


:)Sorry.............won't be a good player.

Shown nothing in two years. make all the excuses you like....injury, lack of confidence, played out of position, small feet, shorts too tight, jumper number etc......the guy needs to have shown some glimpse of ability by now...but hasn't!! Bon Voyage. Only pride will save him this year. That is pride from Milkler and recruiters not to be proven wrong!
If the likes of Edwards, Riewoldt and Connors can string together games in season 1, this guy shoulkd have been ble to if up to it! But he ain't!

[True Thylacine]

Congratulations on your 1st award JON, you are now the official scapegoat and replacement for Tivendale. Peirhaps we could organise a special number like 17 for the captain, one for scapegoat??

The only thing that saddens me is that the bulk of these comments demonstrate most either only watched on tv or were there and simply just have NFI. A more serious critic might get off the case of a guy who actually won his fair share of the footy and concentrate on some of the other legends who were found out badly on Sunday. Oops hang on ..I forgot Connors is a gun....sorry, or was I watching a different game? In trhe one I was watching Riewoldt failed to get even 1 kick, Connors turned it over on almost every occassion by being way to clever and getting caught, Jackson kicked in twice for 2 goals over his head, White was barely sighted after the 1st quarter and Travis who? They were all totally outclassed and JON was no where near the worst in my book.

[polakthetiger]

A more serious critic might get off the case of a guy who actually won his fair share of the footy and concentrate on some of the other legends who were found out badly on Sunday. .


Thanks TT for the valid point that has been completely overlooked. Unfortunately the 'it was very game' posters will come in now, good someone has seen something to work with in him. A full preseason and if he hasn't shown anything by this time next year, when he at least won't be a teenager anymore!

[Richmond FC]

The criticism of JON is ridiculous go watch his game against WCE and discount the kick to the top of the square and he was impressive. He is 19 he is also aboriginal and they are known to be late developers.

[wotdoiput]

I'm not a Tigers fan, but surely JON is worth perserving with?

Has had a few injuries in his time, still on 19 and had 2 years on the Richmond list.

Perhaps this is why the Tigers rebuilding never works. Want to get rid of players too soon and not let them develop. Not everyone on every teams list needs to be able to jump in and play seniors rght off the bat. Some players need to be developed and I feel JON is one of these.

[GhostofJimJess]

I'm not a Tigers fan, but surely JON is worth perserving with?

Has had a few injuries in his time, still on 19 and had 2 years on the Richmond list.

Perhaps this is why the Tigers rebuilding never works. Want to get rid of players too soon and not let them develop. Not everyone on every teams list needs to be able to jump in and play seniors rght off the bat. Some players need to be developed and I feel JON is one of these.

You've got to realise you're on a Richmond Board here. You know, those that need to target specific individuals as a scapegoat for collective deficiencies.

[wotdoiput]

You've got to realise you're on a Richmond Board here. You know, those that need to target specific individuals as a scapegoat for collective deficiencies.

Sorry my mistake, how I could I forget about that? Even for a second?? Lol :p

[sabre_ac]

I am sure freo would take him off you hand's.

[deliberate!!]

I am sure freo would take him off you hand's.

Done then...JON for Pavlich......let's shake....
;)

[Tyger]

JON has had only two years and is only 19. Just like Pendlebury, Jones, Hurn, Murphy, Higgins, Birchall, Swallow and Gilbert.
Luckily for us he is a year in advance of Gibbs, Boak, Thorp, Selwood, Alwyn Davey, Goldsack and Westhoff.

[beaver fever]

Luckily for us he is a year in advance of Gibbs, Boak, Thorp, Selwood, Alwyn Davey, Goldsack and Westhoff.
How can you say he is a year in advance of those types? They are all showing something with the exception of thorp. Unless you meant age wise, which is not correct for Davey and Westoff who were mature age recruits.

[Tyger]

How can you say he is a year in advance of those types? They are all showing something with the exception of thorp. Unless you meant age wise, which is not correct for Davey and Westoff who were mature age recruits.

Career wise.

[roostertalk]

I am sure freo would take him off you hand's.

precisely why he needs to be traded now...there are gooses willing to gamble on potential...trade him now or next season he'll be discarded and roving to Ty Esler at nar nar goon in 09.

[Don Logan]

precisely why he needs to be traded now...there are gooses willing to gamble on potential...trade him now or next season he'll be discarded and roving to Ty Esler at nar nar goon in 09.

Not Ty. Adam Slater

[RichosGuns]

He can't be a skape goat like Tivendale beause he doesn't play in the 22 like Tivendale does...besides Tiva was a rookie pick so he has done more then enough considering his expectations this year.

Funny how the scapegoats have changed over the year

- At the start of the season it was mainly Tivendale, Jackson, Moore, Krakouer, etc.
- Tivendale was poor at the start of the year and took the tag
- Pettifer had a couple of crap rounds making him the second
- Hyde and Tivendale were dropped...taking the tag away from Pettifer
- Then Johnson's crappy captaincy made him the scape goat with JBowden for rounds 10-18.
- After a couple of solid final rounds by these two, the younger blokes like Schultz, Hughes and JON became the scapegoats again

:p:D ROFL

[delricho12]

I'm not a Tigers fan, but surely JON is worth perserving with?

Has had a few injuries in his time, still on 19 and had 2 years on the Richmond list.

Perhaps this is why the Tigers rebuilding never works. Want to get rid of players too soon and not let them develop. Not everyone on every teams list needs to be able to jump in and play seniors rght off the bat. Some players need to be developed and I feel JON is one of these.
I can not beleive sack JON give some time or lets send him to Port were he can have a great year and the you can all come back next year and say "CANT BELEIVE WE GOT RID OF JON RICHMOND BOARD IS CRAP AND THEY DONE IT AGAIN"well done tiger supporters!!!!!!!

[deliberate!!]

I can not beleive sack JON give some time or lets send him to Port were he can have a great year and the you can all come back next year and say "CANT BELEIVE WE GOT RID OF JON RICHMOND BOARD IS CRAP AND THEY DONE IT AGAIN"well done tiger supporters!!!!!!!

Put a sock in it !
JON hasn't gone to Port !
Hasn't got a kick there either...(lol...never will get a kick)
He's not in a Grand Final.
So stop making up shit.

(Do you sit at home at night....too scared to throw the rubbish out, just in case you open it up in 5 years time....and it's full of diamonds?)
NO.

So grow some walnuts...and get over yourself.

[hudson22]

Put a sock in it !
JON hasn't gone to Port !
Hasn't got a kick there either...(lol...never will get a kick)
He's not in a Grand Final.
So stop making up shit.

(Do you sit at home at night....too scared to throw the rubbish out, just in case you open it up in 5 years time....and it's full of diamonds?)
NO.

So grow some walnuts...and get over yourself.
i have never read any post from you that makes any sense or provides any insight into ANYTHING. Everything you say is merely reactive crap or abuse of anybody who offers something even remotely insightful or analytical. Your knowledge of the game and club is even a worry. These calls to delist JON are typical of the uninformed irrational supporters like you who call for heads when there is no immediate success then do the same when a player like rodan makes a career somewhere else. seriously buddy, its an internet forum, just chill out, relax and u might come out with something remotely useful

[sabre_ac]

Done then...JON for Pavlich......let's shake....
;)

Ha
I was thinking more along the line's for draft picks.

Unless of course you want Walker and Longmuir

[Yellow n Black]

i watched oakley nichollas against geel the first wk of the finals, bullants n then willy.

he surely lacks confidence. he seems to panic when he has the ball. he's slow to dispose of it n i always see him run down from behind. he seems clumsy n looks like a twig on the field. how about a straight trade for mitch morton from wc ?

why does richmond always draft badly. in that draft we should have taken someone like higgins, hurn, nath jones, birchall before even thinking about this lanky dude?

frustrated richmond supporter

[Tiger07]

Why is Richmonds recruiting such a widespread joke among other clubs supporters? Surely there is some merit in such criticism? Jarred-Oakley Nicholls struggles to get a kick at VFL level, and whenever he does he just turns it over anyway! I applaud those supporters sticking strong with their teams recruits, but in some cases, they need to accept that a poor recruiting decision was made and move on!!!

[tony_montana]

Why is Richmonds recruiting such a widespread joke among other clubs supporters? Surely there is some merit in such criticism? Jarred-Oakley Nicholls struggles to get a kick at VFL level, and whenever he does he just turns it over anyway! I applaud those supporters sticking strong with their teams recruits, but in some cases, they need to accept that a poor recruiting decision was made and move on!!!


bc we're easy targets, some decent tiger posters have dispelled the myth by posting a list of every other clubs recruiting over the past decade and you know what? every team has more than its fair share of shockers. We do not stand out

now piss awff

[delricho12]

Put a sock in it !
JON hasn't gone to Port !
Hasn't got a kick there either...(lol...never will get a kick)
He's not in a Grand Final.
So stop making up shit.

(Do you sit at home at night....too scared to throw the rubbish out, just in case you open it up in 5 years time....and it's full of diamonds?)
NO.

So grow some walnuts...and get over yourself.
I think you miss my point i dont want to sack JON evreyone else does. And then they cry when they have success at there new club. Thats the point im trying to make. No rumor starting mate.

[ImaBeliever!]

Why is Richmonds recruiting such a widespread joke among other clubs supporters? Surely there is some merit in such criticism? Jarred-Oakley Nicholls struggles to get a kick at VFL level, and whenever he does he just turns it over anyway! I applaud those supporters sticking strong with their teams recruits, but in some cases, they need to accept that a poor recruiting decision was made and move on!!!


What, move JON on after only 2 years on the list, a guy that was universally accepted as very talented but a developmental player several years from reaching his potential?

You need to join deliberate and others in the 'Gun Jumpers Club'.

[SnakeMan86]

Why is Richmonds recruiting such a widespread joke among other clubs supporters? Surely there is some merit in such criticism? Jarred-Oakley Nicholls struggles to get a kick at VFL level, and whenever he does he just turns it over anyway! I applaud those supporters sticking strong with their teams recruits, but in some cases, they need to accept that a poor recruiting decision was made and move on!!!

being a geelong supporter or not he has a very good point. Lets look at our track records. Fiora traded, oakley nicholls is a spud, tiny frame, limited foot skills and rarely considered for a call up. Tambling has given us very little and looks nothing more than a flash in the pan player. he has speed and that is it. Ezra poyas high ish and then delisted. Our reqruiting managers are an absolute joke and we need a change. We keep gambling on washed up hacks from other clubs and it must stop!!!! (kingsley, clinton king, Aaron james, hudson blumfield,etc)

[True Thylacine]

being a geelong supporter or not he has a very good point. Lets look at our track records. Fiora traded, oakley nicholls is a spud, tiny frame, limited foot skills and rarely considered for a call up. Tambling has given us very little and looks nothing more than a flash in the pan player. he has speed and that is it. Ezra poyas high ish and then delisted. Our reqruiting managers are an absolute joke and we need a change. We keep gambling on washed up hacks from other clubs and it must stop!!!! (kingsley, clinton king, Aaron james, hudson etc)

The basic flaw in that is that at the start of this year you would have said exactly the same thing about Jackson and McGuane and Pattison and they had all had regular pre-seasons. JON hasnt had one pre-season yet and was bottom age. A bit early to jettison IMHO. I wonder how our Geelong friend would have felt re Johnson 8 months ago but hindsight is always 20/20.

Also for some reason I keep seeing people saying that he can't get a kick...what a crock of shit that is. I have seen him 6-7 times this year and he gets plenty, its his use and decision making that needs work and a lot of that is due to lazy players up the field who fail to create options resulting in a kick under pressure, refer last weeks GF disgrace. Whats more a worry is blokes who have those skills but cant find the bloody pigskin to save themselves and we have quiet a few of those flying under the radar.

[Don Logan]

The basic flaw in that is that at the start of this year you would have said exactly the same thing about Jackson and McGuane and Pattison and they had all had regular pre-seasons. JON hasnt had one pre-season yet and was bottom age. A bit early to jettison IMHO. I wonder how our Geelong friend would have felt re Johnson 8 months ago but hindsight is always 20/20.

Also for some reason I keep seeing people saying that he can't get a kick...what a crock of shit that is. I have seen him 6-7 times this year and he gets plenty, its his use and decision making that needs work and a lot of that is due to lazy players up the field who fail to create options resulting in a kick under pressure, refer last weeks GF disgrace. Whats more a worry is blokes who have those skills but cant find the bloody pigskin to save themselves and we have quiet a few of those flying under the radar.

JON is also a very good/safe mark and is getting bigger/bulkier - More upside than most has the East Perth TEENAGER

[Rookie]

I know very little about J.O-N, but I can see the similarities between him and Tim Walsh. Injury problems... limited preseasons, a 'project' type player...

If a player has the potential and ability to succeed at AFL level, surely flashes of ability must have been shown. You can't keep waiting for potential. We did that with Walsh for years even though he never really showed enough to suggest he would make it. If J.O-N hasn't shown anything yet (and I have no idea whether he has or not, I'm just speculating) then you have to ask yourselves why not?

The discussion is a moot point, he'll be kept for pride as much as anything, even if he is rubbish.

[Don Logan]

I know very little about J.O-N, but I can see the similarities between him and Tim Walsh. Injury problems... limited preseasons, a 'project' type player...

If a player has the potential and ability to succeed at AFL level, surely flashes of ability must have been shown. You can't keep waiting for potential. We did that with Walsh for years even though he never really showed enough to suggest he would make it. If J.O-N hasn't shown anything yet (and I have no idea whether he has or not, I'm just speculating) then you have to ask yourselves why not?

The discussion is a moot point, he'll be kept for pride as much as anything, even if he is rubbish.

9 marks (4 contested) against GFC in that towelling at the Dome showed me enough, plenty of work to do on his foot skills and overall footy education though.

He's like a big ungainly colt who doesn't yet know how to put one hoof in front of the other .. May come - May not.. Time will tell

[RichosGuns]

I know very little about J.O-N, but I can see the similarities between him and Tim Walsh. Injury problems... limited preseasons, a 'project' type player...

If a player has the potential and ability to succeed at AFL level, surely flashes of ability must have been shown. You can't keep waiting for potential. We did that with Walsh for years even though he never really showed enough to suggest he would make it. If J.O-N hasn't shown anything yet (and I have no idea whether he has or not, I'm just speculating) then you have to ask yourselves why not?

The discussion is a moot point, he'll be kept for pride as much as anything, even if he is rubbish.

I was discussing this exact thing with a mate earlier in the year.

- In his first 10 or so match Tambling showed a few flashes of what he might develop into - and I stick by this.
- Edwards, Riwoldt, Conners from this years draft have all done the same
- From JON's draft Hughes, has shown a few good things in his back to back 3 goal hauls

The most I've see JON do is kick that behind against Essedon last year which really spoke more of Bowden and Kellaway then JON and a good contested mark against Geelong in the 150 point thumping (this has probably been his best game for the club)

[Calcium Man]

9 marks (4 contested) against GFC in that towelling at the Dome showed me enough, plenty of work to do on his foot skills and overall footy education though.

He's like a big ungainly colt who doesn't yet know how tom put one hoof in front of the other .. May come - May not.. Time will tell

The west coast game the week before was another good game and his games in his first season were very encouraging. Really showed pace and awareness, something he has struggled with this season but he does have it when he gets some confidence back.

The way he plays football is also far better suited to AFL.

[davemills]

He needs a whole lot more then confidence...he needs skills - he needs to do ALOT next year to show he should be kept with.

Skills: 2/10
Height: 10/10
Weight: 5/10
Mark:7/10
Pace; 3/10 (never uses it)

We need to stop drafting athletes in hope of stealing a Goodes or Pendlebury (our most succesful attemp has been Jackson) and instead draft football players like Coughlan and Conners

It's hard to disagree because he does look shocking out there... I am still under the possibly misguided belief that he will massivley improve in the next two years. His poor looking skills are actually not that bad if he is not under pressure...which seems to be the problem...he is going to be under pressure out there, so can he adjust to the pace in time?

If he is to do that he probabably needs to see a sports shrink to work out what's mentally in the way of him being the best he can out there. I have said this on another forum, I was watching him train in special drills last year and his reaction time to my eye was first rate, so it's not like he hasn't a brain that works with the footy.

As for drafting footballers, yes and no. There is not much point in drafting a slow small player with skills when he will not be able to keep up with the pace of the game. Conners is not slow is he btw...? I think Conners is an all around talent that may be the steal of the draft.

Keep in mind it's not just the players you draft that's important, it's how you develop them...and we haven't looked to be doing well in that area. (Finances?) Bartell and Abblett are good examples of players developing. A couple of years ago, they were only good average players with skills. (Jon will never be this good...)

If you look at his field kicking, the way he drops his head to feed the ball onto the boot, he looks like he is re-learning how to kick or something... it's odd. BUT IT CAN BE CORRECTED. His basic kicking seems fine.

Oh, and as for his pace, it's his agility for his height that got him drafted so high over his out and out pace. But yes, I hope he can have a good look at Shane Edwards...now that boy has confidence. (And btw makes just as many mistakes as JON...just looks better doing them!)

[Woody80]

It's hard to disagree because he does look shocking out there... I am still under the possibly misguided belief that he will massivley improve in the next two years. His poor looking skills are actually not that bad if he is not under pressure...which seems to be the problem...he is going to be under pressure out there, so can he adjust to the pace in time?

If he is to do that he probabably needs to see a sports shrink to work out what's mentally in the way of him being the best he can out there. I have said this on another forum, I was watching him train in special drills last year and his reaction time to my eye was first rate, so it's not like he hasn't a brain that works with the footy.

As for drafting footballers, yes and no. There is not much point in drafting a slow small player with skills when he will not be able to keep up with the pace of the game. Conners is not slow is he btw...? I think Conners is an all around talent that may be the steal of the draft.

Keep in mind it's not just the players you draft that's important, it's how you develop them...and we haven't looked to be doing well in that area. (Finances?) Bartell and Abblett are good examples of players developing. A couple of years ago, they were only good average players with skills. (Jon will never be this good...)

If you look at his field kicking, the way he drops his head to feed the ball onto the boot, he looks like he is re-learning how to kick or something... it's odd. BUT IT CAN BE CORRECTED. His basic kicking seems fine.

Oh, and as for his pace, it's his agility for his height that got him drafted so high over his out and out pace. But yes, I hope he can have a good look at Shane Edwards...now that boy has confidence. (And btw makes just as many mistakes as JON...just looks better doing them!)

Will be delisted

[tigerfan1961]

Will be delisted
rubbish- give the 19 year old some time to at least have a full pre season and show us what he can do- he has the right attitude and will give it his best shot- he will make it

[Woody80]

rubbish- give the 19 year old some time to at least have a full pre season and show us what he can do- he has the right attitude and will give it his best shot- he will make it

Cant kick for shit and doesnt Know what to do with it when he gets it

[RichosGuns]

Rumour has it we have a trade for Mitch Morton... maybe a straight swap for players? That would probably be a little crap considering Morton was pick 45 and JON 9... Ohwell:(

[Woody80]

Rumour has it we have a trade for Mitch Morton... maybe a straight swap for players? That would probably be a little crap considering Morton was pick 45 and JON 9... Ohwell:(

Lets hope you are Right.

[tigerfan1961]

Cant kick for shit and doesnt Know what to do with it when he gets it
We can agree to disagree, but he will not be delisted or traded- mark my words

[Woody80]

We can agree to disagree, but he will not be delisted or traded- mark my words

You are proberly right but it is very sad to watch and a bad choice by the club

[tigerfan1961]

You are proberly right but it is very sad to watch and a bad choice by the club
Look, I agree he has shown little to date, but he is only 19, went alright as a Junior, and with a good pre-season and a reasonable run with injury, he will get his confidence back and you never know what he may show.
I can tell you one thing for certain, he has the right attitude/determination to succeed and will not die wondering if he gave it his best.