RDFL Thread 2008 [Archive] - Page 37

Itsmyshow

6 Aug 2008, 22:35

Your dead right Omni - IMS should change his name to - APATHY - he used to have b***s, but not anymore! He has turned into a compliant whimp!

100% right.. I should have used IN MY OPINION before.. The reality is, I never said that I agreed with the decisions of where the games are held, I have my own opinions on that and they differ to everyone elses... But the reality is, the RDFL board made the call on the final locations, there is no point coming up with petty arguments about which fence is too close to the goal posts... The venues have been decided, lets move on to the action on field.. If the senior Melton club have any ownership on game day then it is a disgrace.. No doubt, totally agree.. But the information that I have received, and I can only go by the information I received not heresay, is that Centrals couldn't host both games, and as George explained, that is fair enough, so the Bloods juniors are hosting the canteen on the main ground. Whatever people's choices are in buying from which canteen is your own decision. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the venues chosen, merely attempting to pass on the facts of the finals games that were given to me.

Itsmyshow

6 Aug 2008, 22:38

Just towing the party line there again eh pal ?
You did get those Ten pieces of silver didn't you pal when you decided to dipense with your SOUL ? :eek:

I may have sold my soul but I would still never wear that thing you call a male shirt that you wore to the Centrals Macedon game last week.... :eek:

omni_wana_be

6 Aug 2008, 22:49

WRONG ...... RDJFL I believe, BIG difference Pal !
The juniors have there Finals, & good luck to them.
We have ours....... get that ? OURS, not the F****** BFL !
They can Die a slow death for all I care, & if Melton Bloods have any sense they will see the writing on the wall & ditch that League before they suck the clubs last $$$ of Life out it !

Lets not Fool ourselves here the Melton Bloods will be the ones trying to make a Buck on that Final.... & I dont care how they try & camourflage that fact..... by hiding behind their juniors, but they wont be getting ONE cent of my hard earned on that day.

And whats more I am gunna try & eat my way & drink my way through all of the Centrals Boys Food & Booze !

Load up Georgie, your gunna need it ! :thumbsu:

do i sense another mission of smuggling alcohol into the ground coming up omni ???

omni_wana_be

6 Aug 2008, 22:51

I may have sold my soul but I would still never wear that thing you call a male shirt that you wore to the Centrals Macedon game last week.... :eek:

let me guess the pink top came out to dance at the centrals game to show off the cannons ??
where you dabbling in male prostitution again in the lovely town of melton???, just remember what the police told you last time they caught you doing that !!

Halffullonfence

6 Aug 2008, 22:56

let me guess the pink top came out to dance at the centrals game to show of the cannons ??
its a crook top pal !

Try grey with canary yellow stripes cardigan.

4thburra

6 Aug 2008, 23:02

Two leagues what do you think !

Division 1: Division 2:
Sunbury Kilmore
Melton Macedon
Melton Sth Lancefield
Darley Romsey
Gisborne Wallan
Riddell Central
Kyneton Rockbank
Bacchus Marsh Kangas
Greenvale Broadford
Woodend Trentham

does diggers not deserve a spot?

omni_wana_be

6 Aug 2008, 23:08

Try grey with canary yellow stripes cardigan.

cardigan what happened to your duffle coat omni ?

OMNIPOTENT_1

6 Aug 2008, 23:26

I may have sold my soul but I would still never wear that thing you call a male shirt that you wore to the Centrals Macedon game last week.... :eek:

Hey ease up on the apparel pal.......... Guess some of us are just leaders & some of us are mere followers ! Which are you ?

I can really see you soon champ modelling the latest in official RDFL wear............. Say an RDFL Moo Moo or perhaps an RDFL Caftan or Navy Blue & White RDFL adorned Poncho maybe ?

Just make sure you dont forget to wear your Mansiere this time eh.

OMNIPOTENT_1

6 Aug 2008, 23:38

do i sense another mission of smuggling alcohol into the ground coming up omni ???

let me guess the pink top came out to dance at the centrals game to show off the cannons ??
where you dabbling in male prostitution again in the lovely town of melton???, just remember what the police told you last time they caught you doing that !!

Try grey with canary yellow stripes cardigan.

For gods sake " Get a Room " you two imbeciles, you could both do with the release !

omni_wana_be

6 Aug 2008, 23:55

For gods sake " Get a Room " you two imbeciles, you could both do with the release !

nah im putting the male organ of copulation and urination into quaratine as it paid a visit to a lady who hails from the same island as bob marley and now im itchy !!!!!

justchecking

7 Aug 2008, 08:06

Hmm I was told today that it was the senior club running the day. Irrelevant if it is the junior or senior club, it should be a senior R.D.F.L club running the day. I would prefer Rockbank or even better Macedon running the day than the Bloods. Considering both Rockbank and Centrals compete with sponsorship dollars against the bigger clubs in Melton and Melton South (which we are disadvantaged) I would have thought that this would in some way help out with our financial situations. The league needs to have a serious look at this and really need to look after the senior clubs in the R.D.F.L and their futures and not line the pockets of clubs outside of it!

Well done to Rockbank, awesome effort and I have no doubt you will knock off Kilmore this week. Good luck guys! Can anyone tell me when Rockbank last notched a win (besides last week) and when was the last time they put two wins together?? good one for the trivia buffs!

I will tell you why the Bloods senior club has to run it, because they hold the liquor licence. You can only have one liquor licence, at one location, at one point in time. You cannot apply for a temporary licence when a licence exists for that location. The Bloods liquor licence would be for the complete football season (the cricket club would have the other 6 months). Booth licences (tents) must relate back to a Location based Licence (their rooms). Without the Bloods licence you would not be able sell alcohol at the main ground. Check Mate - drop your pants!!!!

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 09:10

I will tell you why the Bloods senior club has to run it, because they hold the liquor licence. You can only have one liquor licence, at one location, at one point in time. You cannot apply for a temporary licence when a licence exists for that location. The Bloods liquor licence would be for the complete football season (the cricket club would have the other 6 months). Booth licences (tents) must relate back to a Location based Licence (their rooms). Without the Bloods licence you would not be able sell alcohol at the main ground. Check Mate - drop your pants!!!!

There will only be one location to buy alcohol....

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 09:12

Hey ease up on the apparel pal.......... Guess some of us are just leaders & some of us are mere followers ! Which are you ?

I can really see you soon champ modelling the latest in official RDFL wear............. Say an RDFL Moo Moo or perhaps an RDFL Caftan or Navy Blue & White RDFL adorned Poncho maybe ?

Just make sure you dont forget to wear your Mansiere this time eh.

By the more recent of posts it looks as though I am a follower... Lets be honest, as long as it is free, I will wear it... :p

justchecking

7 Aug 2008, 09:36

There will only be one location to buy alcohol....

You might know more than me here but let me explain the situation as I know it. Melton Centrals will sell from their clubrooms and a booth under their liquor licence. Any alcohol sold from those outlets can only be consumed in-accordance with their licence. Their licence will only cover the number 2 ground. You can not carry alcohol into another licenced area, e.g. number 1 ground as that is covered by the Bloods liquor Licence. This is why bringing alcohol in to grounds on any game day is a breach of the home clubs liquor licence. BYO is not allowed. If the RDFL thinks it can sell alcohol at the number 2 ground and then carry it into the number 1 area they need to have a look at the licencing act/rules. My understanding is it would be breaking the law.

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 09:41

You might know more than me here but let me explain the situation as I know it. Melton Centrals will sell from their clubrooms and a booth under their liquor licence. Any alcohol sold from those outlets can only be consumed in-accordance with their licence. Their licence will only cover the number 2 ground. You can not carry alcohol into another licenced area, e.g. number 1 ground as that is covered by the Bloods liquor Licence. This is why bringing alcohol in to grounds on any game day is a breach of the home clubs liquor licence. BYO is not allowed. If the RDFL thinks it can sell alcohol at the number 2 ground and then carry it into the number 1 area they need to have a look at the licencing act/rules. My understanding is it would be breaking the law.

You may be spot on.. I am only highlighting the information as I know it.... :thumbsu:

perspicuous_1

7 Aug 2008, 10:06

You may be spot on.. I am only highlighting the information as I know it.... :thumbsu:

Or highlighting the information you are fed perhaps ???? :rolleyes:

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 10:18

Or highlighting the information you are fed perhaps ???? :rolleyes:

Um.... Isn't that where you normally get information???? :confused:

davo33

7 Aug 2008, 10:26

The only thing I would agree with you is that the Board made the decision - I don't think Scott is that silly!

Your completely right, I have it on good authority that he was spewing they made the decision to have the game away from Macedon. He thought they could play the netball at another venue or even on the tennis courts.

Now he is going to cop everyones rath.......

davo33

7 Aug 2008, 10:28

WRONG ...... RDJFL I believe, BIG difference Pal !
The juniors have there Finals, & good luck to them.
We have ours....... get that ? OURS, not the F****** BFL !
They can Die a slow death for all I care, & if Melton Bloods have any sense they will see the writing on the wall & ditch that League before they suck the clubs last $$$ of Life out it !

Lets not Fool ourselves here the Melton Bloods will be the ones trying to make a Buck on that Final.... & I dont care how they try & camourflage that fact..... by hiding behind their juniors, but they wont be getting ONE cent of my hard earned on that day.

And whats more I am gunna try & eat my way & drink my way through all of the Centrals Boys Food & Booze !

Load up Georgie, your gunna need it ! :thumbsu:

Sorry SIR, no RDJFL anymore, i remember voting for us to be 1 entity now. That was two years ago....you need to update your knowledge

Kings Army

7 Aug 2008, 11:52

There is no finals schemozzle.. The board made their decision on where and when finals would be hosted. The same as they do every year.. Unfortunately for some and luckily for others.. Its a decision that has been made and passed at board level.. Story finished.

The schemozzle is the format not the location.

How is this fair - Macedon finish 6th with 10 losses for the year Riddell finish top without a loss. Riddell have a harder final against the 2nd placed team than Macedon playing the 3rd placed team. Riddell and Macedon win and they then become equal. Both have the double chance both have 2 chances to go into the Grand Final. SCHEMOZZLE!!

Wait a minute

7 Aug 2008, 13:46

Kings Army

7 Aug 2008, 13:51

I thought we all new about the Finals system at the start of the season and it has taken till now to realise it mighnt be the best final 6 system around but heres the challenge. We know there is only two final 6 systems availbe can we think or make up a better one. Remember it gave the RDFL another finals game.

The Ballarat one is not ideal but is better. The change that should be made next year is the highest winner out of 3, 4 and 5 gets to take on the winner of 1 and 2. At the moment 6th can win 2 games and be in a Grand Final - 4 and 5 have to win 3 to make it. Finishing 6th is better than 4th or 5th which does not make sense. Enough said about this topic from me.

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 14:05

1 V 6
2 v 5
3 v 4

Two highest ranked winners play off in the 2nd Semi (Winner to GF/Loser to Prelim)
Two lowest ranked losers are eliminated.
3rd highest ranked winner and 3rd highest ranked loser play off in 1st Semi (Elimination, Winner to Prelim)

First week finals held at the home of the higher ranked team.
Following weeks held at selected grounds.

Itsmyshow

7 Aug 2008, 14:08

The other idea I heard that I didn't mind either was

1st and 2nd get week 1 off and play in the 2nd Semi (Winner to GF/Loser to Prelim)

1st week
3 v 6 and 4 v 5 - Winners play off in 1st Semi (Winner to Prelim)

Sunqvist

7 Aug 2008, 16:38

good to see matt nicholls post again. any chance for bowen and flag odds again? not just matt but anyone who wants to have a go

for this weeks gamers i think my tips are

Rockbank to go two in a row against kilmore who struggling but i heard they played not too bad last week against walln. 30 points
Sunbury off beating woodsy last week should beat the cats at home by about 6 goals
Riddell to beat lanny by about 80 odd without too much problem
Diggers should smash romsey who will hit prety hard early as they would have been shattred after losing last week but diggers to good 60 points

dons08

7 Aug 2008, 18:06

to those at riddell bomber did not vomit in the pub last friday it was just a joke hope that clears the air for you bomber.:thumbsu:

OMNIPOTENT_1

7 Aug 2008, 18:22

Sorry SIR, no RDJFL anymore, i remember voting for us to be 1 entity now. That was two years ago....you need to update your knowledge

Well thank you for that, I stand corrected then.

So that then clears up the Bloods Finals fund raising issue at our Final........ be it Juniors or Seniors running it - Melton Bloods will ultimately gain our RDFL $$$ on that day !
& whats more - with the way the junior clubs make shit loads of $$$$$, it could be said that the RDFL has been Financial propping up the likes of these BFL & BFL Club/s for years now !

Good..... I am glad we sorted that out.

ronald mcdonald

7 Aug 2008, 18:29

Anyone out there. Pickles etc Who will make the top six? How many goals will James end up with? The team of the year line-up as with a much evener competition should produce an even spread of club representatives? Make for interesting reading

davo33

7 Aug 2008, 18:30

Well thank you for that, I stand corrected then.

So that then clears up the Bloods Finals fund raising issue at our Final........ be it Juniors or Seniors running it - Melton Bloods will ultimately gain our RDFL $$$ on that day !
& whats more - with the way the junior clubs make shit loads of $$$$$, it could be said that the RDFL has been Financial propping up the likes of these BFL & BFL Club/s for years now !

Good..... I am glad we sorted that out.

Maybe you should speak to Centrals and ask them why they are "subletting" the canteen to Melton JUNIOR Football Club, another RDFL club

OMNIPOTENT_1

7 Aug 2008, 18:41

Maybe you should speak to Centrals and ask them why they are "subletting" the canteen to Melton JUNIOR Football Club, another RDFL club

Because its irrelevant to me why they are doing it, I dont care why !

Its being done, they are doing it...............So I & many others wont be Financially supporting a BFL clubs Fund raising efforts at one of OUR Finals.................... end of story !

Hutchy by Name

7 Aug 2008, 19:08

Maybe you should speak to Centrals and ask them why they are "subletting" the canteen to Melton JUNIOR Football Club, another RDFL club

You've missed the whole point Davo! Who said Centrals were subletting the canteen? It's not by choice. The Bloods will not allow Centrals use their precious facilities! In the Bloods eyes, it's not Centrals canteen to sublet, it's what they are saying to make themselves look like they're helping the league! RDFL wanted to run a double headed but the pompous big wigs at Melton only agreed to this if they were to run the main oval! Melton have the council bent over with that ground. You need permission from the Bloods to run finals and school carnivals not the council. That's how it's run in Melton! Talk about corrupt!!

Again the choice to run the game here and not Macedon just stinks!!

Wonder what Centrals had to do to use the ground at the start of the year???

Mongrel

7 Aug 2008, 20:03

You've missed the whole point Davo! Who said Centrals were subletting the canteen? It's not by choice. The Bloods will not allow Centrals use their precious facilities! In the Bloods eyes, it's not Centrals canteen to sublet, it's what they are saying to make themselves look like they're helping the league! RDFL wanted to run a double headed but the pompous big wigs at Melton only agreed to this if they were to run the main oval! Melton have the council bent over with that ground. You need permission from the Bloods to run finals and school carnivals not the council. That's how it's run in Melton! Talk about corrupt!!

Again the choice to run the game here and not Macedon just stinks!!

Wonder what Centrals had to do to use the ground at the start of the year???

perhaps the rdfl should switch the matches to the m.c.g and allow centrals and the cats 2 split the takings?????

OMNIPOTENT_1

7 Aug 2008, 20:03

I rest my case !

davo33

7 Aug 2008, 20:59

I rest my case !

you dont have the facts, its easy for you to get on here and bag Melton JFC but you need the facts, ask centrals, instead of making assumptions

Mongrel

7 Aug 2008, 21:10

you dont have the facts, its easy for you to get on here and bag Melton JFC but you need the facts, ask centrals, instead of making assumptions

thers nothing wrong with your statement davo,but i think if u look a bit deeper,the community seems 2 be more than a bit upset that macedon arent hosting a final.and yes i know u are defending sum of the talk about melton juniors etc.fair enuf.but i think most people who are having a say on here deep down just wanna drink cans on the hill at macedon and watch a final.surely u cant blame them 4 that

Flo Jo

7 Aug 2008, 22:45

thers nothing wrong with your statement davo,but i think if u look a bit deeper,the community seems 2 be more than a bit upset that macedon arent hosting a final.and yes i know u are defending sum of the talk about melton juniors etc.fair enuf.but i think most people who are having a say on here deep down just wanna drink cans on the hill at macedon and watch a final.surely u cant blame them 4 that

Here here Mongrel I have had many great days on that hill watching footy at the pointy end of the season

OMNIPOTENT_1

7 Aug 2008, 22:50

you dont have the facts, its easy for you to get on here and bag Melton JFC but you need the facts, ask centrals, instead of making assumptions

We seem to be going round in circles here because you either cannot or will not accept the facts !
So look closely & I will spell it out for you exactly where I stand on this issue once again......... & for the last time:

1. I dont care where the RDFL hold that final.

2. I am not bagging the Melton FC or Melton JFC. (although I believe we established already with your help of course that they were one in the same entity)

3. I dont think it is appropiate that a Junior club make money off a Senior Final..... & vise versa.

4. I dont think that it is appropriate that a BFL Club raise Money at an RDFL Final.

5. I dont think that it is right or proper that a Junior or BFL Club raise money at an RDFL Final at the expense of one of our own Senior RDFL Clubs doing so.

Moreover the more this issue is kept running the more it will be percieved,......as it should be, in a Negative light.

I am not sure what your motives on this issue are champ, cause you just seem to keep argueing about the merits of this decision, when logic would suggest that ALL parochial RDFL people would be Aghast & Appalled at it.
I know I am !
Perhaps you should state your interest or conection in this before you make well & certain that the Melton Bloods (Juniors or Seniors) wont be able to sell a single musk stick or glass of cordial on that day !

davo33

8 Aug 2008, 08:54

We seem to be going round in circles here because you either cannot or will not accept the facts !
So look closely & I will spell it out for you exactly where I stand on this issue once again......... & for the last time:

1. I dont care where the RDFL hold that final.

2. I am not bagging the Melton FC or Melton JFC. (although I believe we established already with your help of course that they were one in the same entity)

3. I dont think it is appropiate that a Junior club make money off a Senior Final..... & vise versa.

4. I dont think that it is appropriate that a BFL Club raise Money at an RDFL Final.

5. I dont think that it is right or proper that a Junior or BFL Club raise money at an RDFL Final at the expense of one of our own Senior RDFL Clubs doing so.

Moreover the more this issue is kept running the more it will be percieved,......as it should be, in a Negative light.

I am not sure what your motives on this issue are champ, cause you just seem to keep argueing about the merits of this decision, when logic would suggest that ALL parochial RDFL people would be Aghast & Appalled at it.
I know I am !
Perhaps you should state your interest or conection in this before you make well & certain that the Melton Bloods (Juniors or Seniors) wont be able to sell a single musk stick or glass of cordial on that day !

Your second point is still wrong, Melton JFC is separate to MFC, not other than when kids get to 18s, most of the, not all go across to senior club.

My motive is your going trying to gain support for not supporting a junior RDFL club.

I ask you again before you make these statements about Melton JFC not earning a cent, speak to Central and ask them why they asked Melton JFC to open there canteen.

My interest is that I had two kids play at Melton JFC and was once the committee at Melton too so i am a little biased, but i still thinnk you need all the facts, which you clearly don't have

davo33

8 Aug 2008, 08:57

thers nothing wrong with your statement davo,but i think if u look a bit deeper,the community seems 2 be more than a bit upset that macedon arent hosting a final.and yes i know u are defending sum of the talk about melton juniors etc.fair enuf.but i think most people who are having a say on here deep down just wanna drink cans on the hill at macedon and watch a final.surely u cant blame them 4 that

I agree with you but Omni is not talking about that. I don't know all the facts about Macedon so I have not commented. All i know the man in charge at head office is spewing the board made that decision, to the point he wondered what the hell he is doing there. I hope i don't get him in trouble for that.

George 08

8 Aug 2008, 10:03

Melton Juniors run the junior grand final!!!!!!!! I don't think we are allowed access to Bloods facilities, plus I don't think the committee wants to rock the boat with the bigger club.

bakers dozen

8 Aug 2008, 15:07

the maccy park thing wont be a problem when riddell gets a 2nd ground along with league HQ being up there as well

29-little-CHAMP

8 Aug 2008, 16:44

Thought Digger's was going to be leauge HQ... Jet's use back oval in the pre-season .. Plans to make ground bigger with new entrence from vineyard road ..and new club rooms to be built ?

No Comment

8 Aug 2008, 17:51

Thought Digger's was going to be leauge HQ... Jet's use back oval in the pre-season .. Plans to make ground bigger with new entrence from vineyard road ..and new club rooms to be built ?

Omni might know something about the riddel thing. Or IMS for that matter, he seems to know whats going on in the league headquarters

OMNIPOTENT_1

8 Aug 2008, 18:00

Maybe you should speak to Centrals and ask them why they are "subletting" the canteen to Melton JUNIOR Football Club, another RDFL club

2 questions from here pal,

This subletting you speak of tends to suggest that Centrals are getting some sort of monetary recompense for doing so. Are they ?

& also how do the Central Boys sub-let something they do not own or control ?

OMNIPOTENT_1

8 Aug 2008, 18:09

Omni might know something about the riddel thing. Or IMS for that matter, he seems to know whats going on in the league headquarters

Had heard we were getting another ground, next door to the one we already have................... But there is a lot of water to go under the bridge before that happens mate.
As for the League shifting HQ...... well who knows which way they will jump, especially in the light of their recent decision making.......... Id'e say Melton may be their prefered option, or Woodend or Kilmore.
They seem to be currently enamoured with those Venues.

OMNIPOTENT_1

8 Aug 2008, 18:16

Your second point is still wrong, Melton JFC is separate to MFC, not other than when kids get to 18s, most of the, not all go across to senior club.

My motive is your going trying to gain support for not supporting a junior RDFL club.

I ask you again before you make these statements about Melton JFC not earning a cent, speak to Central and ask them why they asked Melton JFC to open there canteen.

My interest is that I had two kids play at Melton JFC and was once the committee at Melton too so i am a little biased, but i still thinnk you need all the facts, which you clearly don't have

Let me also ask you this Davo; Do you think it is appropriate that a Junior Club should be seen to be selling Alcohol at this Final ?

justchecking

8 Aug 2008, 18:24

Let me also ask you this Davo; Do you think it is appropriate that a Junior Club should be seen to be selling Alcohol at this Final ?

See my earlier response - can't happen. Bloods only on the main ground or the sirens start. Without knowing details, my money is on the Bloods running the bars at the main ground - they have the licence. Biggest and easiest money spinner (that's if people buy there!).

OMNIPOTENT_1

8 Aug 2008, 18:26

See my earlier response - can't happen. Bloods only on the main ground or the sirens start. Without knowing details, my money is on the Bloods running the bars at the main ground - they have the licence. Biggest and easiest money spinner (that's if people buy there!).

So a BFL Club will in fact be trying to make a $$$$ at our (RDFL) expense then ?

Mongrel

8 Aug 2008, 21:28

how does everyone rate riddells current side?other than awesome,tell me how they rate against previous riddell teams and against gissy,sunbury etc.also can this current team be beaten by a rdfl side

OMNIPOTENT_1

8 Aug 2008, 23:03

how does everyone rate riddells current side?other than awesome,tell me how they rate against previous riddell teams and against gissy,sunbury etc.also can this current team be beaten by a rdfl side

Going at about 75% (given the talent they have) & No Team is Unbeatable !

Rating them against other teams is a pointless excercise I think champ.

Donegal

9 Aug 2008, 00:27

Lets get back to footy,Rockbank to beat Kilmore by 5 goals. I like to see that ! love to see Dayson's redhead mullet back for heritage round the girls at jerry springerville would love that

davo33

9 Aug 2008, 11:36

Let me also ask you this Davo; Do you think it is appropriate that a Junior Club should be seen to be selling Alcohol at this Final ?

I don't think it is appropriate that they would.

You will find that Centrals are running the Bars at both grounds, this is information going around MJFC committee.

Did you know that Centrals run one of the canteens at the junior GF?

OMNIPOTENT_1

9 Aug 2008, 11:47

I don't think it is appropriate that they would.

You will find that Centrals are running the Bars at both grounds, this is information going around MJFC committee.

Did you know that Centrals run one of the canteens at the junior GF?

That would then in fact be Melton Centrals Junior FC then wouldn't it ?
As I believe they have Juniors mate.

Can you answer my other questions too please ?

OMNIPOTENT_1

9 Aug 2008, 18:10

Final scores

Riddell 17.13 Def' Lancefield 5.5

Macedon by 10 pts over Sunbury. (player No' 17 was the difference apparently) ! ! !

Diggers by 9 goals over Romsey.

& Kilmore by 5 goals over Rockbank.

Donegal

9 Aug 2008, 20:29

No Comment

10 Aug 2008, 15:16

Darley would beat Riddell by ten goals at the moment- that is coming from a Riddell person who has seen Darley play twice this year.

well if thats the case you could double that margin for every other team in the RDFL then

davo33

10 Aug 2008, 17:17

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That would then in fact be Melton Centrals Junior FC then wouldn't it ?
As I believe they have Juniors mate.

Can you answer my other questions too please ?

i dont know mate, centrals and the league would have those answers.

omni_wana_be

10 Aug 2008, 21:39

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rdfl young gun showing off the cannons at THE ATTIC!

Donegal

10 Aug 2008, 22:02

While at melton south's final's today only confirmed what i had said yesterday while speaking to former riddell triple premership player there will be a POWER SURGE next year,let's get this year over with first!Not looking good.Harrison wondering why he's not in the first's and only against his old club

OMNIPOTENT_1

10 Aug 2008, 23:18

Omni’s Ladder at end of Home & Aways...(Revised 4th Edition) !

Riddell……..……72
Woodend….…….60
Diggers...………..44
Sunbury..…......…44
Macedon..……….42
Wallan......………38

Lancefield..…...…36
Melton.....……….36
Romsey...……….28
Kilmore…….……28
Rockbank……….12

Bowen Medal………. Sam Young (Riddell)
Roughie…………….. Sam Bowen (Woodend) or Peter Robertson (Riddell) or Jeremy Jose (Diggers) or Brendan Chugg (Melton) or James Wright (Macedon) or Chris Collins (Lancefield)

perspicuous_1

11 Aug 2008, 09:38

matt_nicholls

11 Aug 2008, 09:43

That's a bit harsh, I thought Bladey was okay on Saturday. My votes would have been:

5. Petran
4. Blade
3. Collins
2. Climas
1. Waters

Tigers put in a decent effort, simply not good enough though against the class of Riddell.

Didn't think Besanko was in the best six for Riddell, but I liked the way Brayden Allen played. Think he could even make a ruckman for the Bombers!

omni_wana_be

11 Aug 2008, 10:41

I noticed that Blade was named best for Riddell against Lancefield.

The Tigers should have also named him in their best as Blade hit about 15 Lancefield blokes on the chest with his 30 odd disposals.

ha ha what a suprise , the suprising part is that it hasnt been picked up earlier as it has happened all year long , easy kicks standing on the outside of the packs are easy to get, i see half of those posessions hit the opposition another thing that doesnt suprise me either, good players use the ball well ie;the mcinernys,sam young ,climas,j.allen and ng. you'll also find all of those players down the bottom of the packs figting hard for the ball and going in for the hard ball is something you certainly wouldnt see blade doing , but i suppose in footy you sometimes need those guys who are to scared to go in and get the hardball after all the guys going in to get it need someone to dish it off to !

PROMINENCE

11 Aug 2008, 11:04

ha ha what a suprise , the suprising part is that it hasnt been picked up earlier as it has happened all year long , easy kicks standing on the outside of the packs are easy to get, i see half of those posessions hit the opposition another thing that doesnt suprise me either, good players use the ball well ie;the mcinernys,sam young ,climas,j.allen and ng. you'll also find all of those players down the bottom of the packs figting hard for the ball and going in for the hard ball is something you certainly wouldnt see blade doing , but i suppose in footy you sometimes need those guys who are to scared to go in and get the hardball after all the guys going in to get it need someone to dish it off to !

bit harsh there old mate one shouldnt judge until they know the full story, perhaps he has a phobia of full bodied contact from another male and should think about a change in sports, perhaps running wide wearing the wing attack bib maybe a better option for the boy ahhhhh!
back to footy...... does anyone see riddell actually being in any danger of losing at all this year ?? they seem to be in cruise control and just strolling along very nicely indeed. and could anyone from sunbury fill me in on how they rate macedons performance on the weekend are they strong enough to go deep into the finals ??for me at this stage it would be riddell straight into the big dance and sunbury and woodend fighting it out in a preliminary final.

Roy Cazaly

11 Aug 2008, 16:07

matt_nicholls

11 Aug 2008, 16:26

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B.O.G

11 Aug 2008, 17:27

Noticed Woodend boys more interested in Gisborne game and drinking piss than any RDFL matches on the weekend. Would think they might want to get another look at the mighty Riddell Bombers before finals time, especially their coach but no from what i saw at tele on saturday arvo he was more interested in betting & drinking than studying. Poor form from woodsy boys, my tip is they will go out in straight sets this year

what are you on about roy, just coz we didnt go and watch the other teams means jack shit you moron, why would we go and watch riddell, we knew that they were going to win, we already know who there guns are, what homework could we possibly do??
i dont think that they are going to change there game plan this week from the one that has worked for them all season-
Robertson taps to lil brother, handball to young bracks atackle, kicks to james, goal

poor form is a crap phrase to use, what dose it matter what we do on the weekend, or who we watch?
Plus it is our week off, last time i checked we werent playing in the AFL, that we could have a drink on the weekend and get on the punt!!

Im sure that this reason will be the whole reason why in your eyes we will fail this year!, coz we didn go and watch riddell, if you had any brains you would know that like the teams in riddell, there are anumber of connections - friends at gisborne, im sure that we dont always get the chance to watch a higher level of footy on the weekends due to playing so getting to a game in gisborne isnt such a bad idea.

Im pretty sure you have got no idea on what the hell you are on about, roy!

matt_nicholls

11 Aug 2008, 18:16

Great call.

There is only one way to beat Riddell, and its the same method you use against every other side:

GET FIRST HANDS ON THE PILL

If they don't have it, they can't hurt you.

I saw the Bombers first hand on the weekend, and I think they can be beaten, but it means the opposition will have to play at an elite level with the midfielders firing and all players' skill levels at 90+ per cent.

Good on Woodend-Hesket for having a few brews and a punt. Just hope they got on Admirals Lady ($44) in the last at Flemington like a couple of us did at the Red Lion.

The Earl

11 Aug 2008, 18:33

justchecking

11 Aug 2008, 18:34

totalitarian_ted

12 Aug 2008, 11:54

was just browsing matty's website centralsport.org and noticed he snuck the love child in the bowen medal market at $25!!!!

ROUND 17

SENIORS
Macedon $1.70 v Wallan $2.10
Melton Central $2.30 v Lancefield $1.55
Riddell $1.04 v Sunbury Kangaroos $8.50
Rockbank $15 v Woodend-Hesket $1.04
Diggers Rest $1.30 v Kilmore $2.60
Any draw: $25

RESERVES
Macedon $3.80 v Wallan $1.15
Melton Central $1.40 v Lancefield $2.50
Riddell $1.25 v Sunbury Kangaroos $2.70
Rockbank $15 v Woodend-Hesket $1.04
Diggers Rest $1.80 v Kilmore $1.85
Any draw: $25

UNDER 18
Wallan $15 v Lancefield $1.04
Rockbank $15 v Woodend-Hesket $1.04
Kilmore $1.70 v Diggers Rest $2.10
Riddell $1.40 v Sunbury Kangaroos $2.50
Macedon $1.04 v Romsey $15
Any draw: $25

PREMIERSHIP

SENIORS
Riddell $1.10
Woodend-Hesket $4.50
Sunbury Kangaroos $10
Wallan $15
Macedon $15
Diggers Rest $20
Lancefield $25
Melton Central $101

RESERVES
Riddell $1.30
Wallan $3.50
Woodend-Hesket $4.50
Sunbury Kangaroos $7.00
Diggers Rest $10
Melton Central $10

UNDER 18
Macedon $2.50
Kilmore $3.50
Woodend-Hesket $4.00
Riddell $5.00
Diggers Rest $5.50
Lancefield $5.50

BOWEN MEDAL
Sam Young (Riddell) - $2.80
Blake Whiteway (Wallan) - $4.50
Brendan Chugg (M/Central) - $6.00
Lee James (Riddell) - $6.00
Jeremy Jose (Diggers Rest) - $6.00
Peter Robertson (Riddell) - $6.50
Shaun Sims (Diggers Rest) - $6.50
Chris Collins (Lancefield) - $6.50
Mick Lacy (Woodend-Hesket) - $6.50
James Wright (Macedon) - $7.00
Tom Waters (Lancefield) - $7.50
Aaron Blade (Riddell) - $7.50
Ryan Connellan (Romsey) - $7.50
Jamie Cuffe (Kangaroos) - $8.00
Daniel McCabe (Diggers Rest) - $8.00
James Climas (Riddell) - $8.50
Brian Wheelahan (Melton Central) - $8.50
Guy Donovan (Woodend-Hesket) - $8.50
Simon Choate (Lancefield) - $10
Dave Cornish (Wallan) - $10
Cam Dawson (Romsey) - $10
Jae Wilton (Macedon) - $15
Justin Belleville (Riddell) - $15
Luke Walker (Rockbank) - $25
Matt Robertson (Kilmore) - $25
Brennan Beall (Macedon) - $25
Jay Shewan (Lancefield) - $25
Brenton Sutherland (Kangaroos) - $25
Dave Henderson (Wallan) - $30
Damien Niki (Kangaroos) - $30
Rick Dowling (Lancefield) - $30
Jason King (Kilmore) - $50
Dave Innella (Rockbank) - $50
Tristan Salter (Kilmore) - $50
Tom Mainey (Rockbank) - $50

Any unlisted player: $25

Itsmyshow

12 Aug 2008, 12:48

Anyone willing to have a crack at what they think might be this years team of the year???

matt_nicholls

12 Aug 2008, 12:58

Anyone willing to have a crack at what they think might be this years team of the year???

I would be very surprised if it didn't look something like this:

B: Craig Thompson, Warren Kairns, Bevan Green.
HB: Jae Wilton, Jason Allen, Bobby Johnson.
C: Shaun Sims, Chris Collins, James Wright.
HF: Brendan Chugg, Mick Lacy, Cole Laurie.
F: Mick Allen, Lee James, Rick Dowling.
R: Jeremy Jose, Blake Whiteway, Sam Young.
I: Tom Waters, Guy Donovan, Peter Robertson, Aaron Blade.

Doona2

12 Aug 2008, 13:03

I would be very surprised if it didn't look something like this:

B: Craig Thompson, Warren Kairns, Bevan Green.
HB: Jae Wilton, Jason Allen, Bobby Johnson.
C: Shaun Sims, Chris Collins, James Wright.
HF: Brendan Chugg, Mick Lacy, Cole Laurie.
F: Mick Allen, Lee James, Rick Dowling.
R: Jeremy Jose, Blake Whiteway, Sam Young.
I: Tom Waters, Guy Donovan, Peter Robertson, Aaron Blade.

Geez ya self imposed ban didnt last long Pickles :p

Itsmyshow

12 Aug 2008, 13:06

B - K.Weng Ng (WH), W.Else (WH), R.Johnson (SK)
HB - J.Allen (Rid), J.Wilton (Mac), J.Wright (Mac)
C - M.Welsh (SK), S.Young (Rid), P.Robertson (Rid)
HF - B.Chugg (MC), M.Lacy (WH), S.Sims (DR)
F - R.Dowling (LF), L.James (Rid), D.Cornish (W)
R - J.Jose (DR), J.Climas (Rid), C.Collins (LF)
I - B.Whiteway (W), S.Choate (LF), L.McInerney (SK), M.Allen (Rid), B.Wheelahan (MC), C.Laurie (DR), C.Dawson (Rom).

Riddell - 6
Woodend/Hesket - 3
Diggers Rest - 3
Sunbury Kangaroos - 3
Wallan - 2
Melton Centrals - 2
Macedon - 2
Lancefield - 3
Romsey - 1
Kilmore - 0
Rockbank - 0

perspicuous_1

12 Aug 2008, 13:09

Not a bad side Nicho, but this one would smash it :D

Backs - N Ash, B Allen, R Leitch

Half backs - M Peatling, J Allen, P Murden

Centres - J Belleville, T McDonald, P Robertson

Half forwards - A Blade, J Petran, D Besanko

Forwards - M Allen, L James, C Meacham

Rucks - G Robertson, S Young, J Climas

matt_nicholls

12 Aug 2008, 13:14

B - K.Weng Ng (WH), W.Else (WH), R.Johnson (SK)
HB - J.Allen (Rid), J.Wilton (Mac), J.Wright (Mac)
C - M.Welsh (SK), S.Young (Rid), P.Robertson (Rid)
HF - B.Chugg (MC), M.Lacy (WH), S.Sims (DR)
F - R.Dowling (LF), L.James (Rid), D.Cornish (W)
R - J.Jose (DR), J.Climas (Rid), C.Collins (LF)
I - B.Whiteway (W), S.Choate (LF), L.McInerney (SK), M.Allen (Rid), B.Wheelahan (MC), C.Laurie (DR), C.Dawson (Rom).

SOFT! You can't name a hundred players on the interchange. Only four get selected. Make the tough call! I should have put Ninga in my side ahead of Bev Green, but I'm happy with the side I've selected. I reckon Whiteway is the best bet for the Bowen. Always in Wallan's best players and stands out with the facial hair!

Roy Cazaly

12 Aug 2008, 13:55

what are you on about roy, just coz we didnt go and watch the other teams means jack shit you moron, why would we go and watch riddell, we knew that they were going to win, we already know who there guns are, what homework could we possibly do??
i dont think that they are going to change there game plan this week from the one that has worked for them all season-
Robertson taps to lil brother, handball to young bracks atackle, kicks to james, goal

poor form is a crap phrase to use, what dose it matter what we do on the weekend, or who we watch?
Plus it is our week off, last time i checked we werent playing in the AFL, that we could have a drink on the weekend and get on the punt!!

Im sure that this reason will be the whole reason why in your eyes we will fail this year!, coz we didn go and watch riddell, if you had any brains you would know that like the teams in riddell, there are anumber of connections - friends at gisborne, im sure that we dont always get the chance to watch a higher level of footy on the weekends due to playing so getting to a game in gisborne isnt such a bad idea.

Im pretty sure you have got no idea on what the hell you are on about, roy!

Judging by your 20 goal loss a few weeks ago im guessing you have shitloads of homework to do. I wonder if Eade, Calrkson & co will say the same thing about geelong in the next few weeks. I can just imaging Clarko hitting the piss with hodgey, buddy & the boys on a sunday arvo while cats are playing Roos and saying "why would we go and watch geelong, we knew that they were going to win, we already know who there guns are, what homework could we possibly do??"
i Dont have a problem with players getting on the piss, in fact i reckon its grouse team bonding, but surely the coaching crew should be paying some attention & i dont just mean some midget player who has been given a token coaching role this year...

Itsmyshow

12 Aug 2008, 13:57

SOFT! You can't name a hundred players on the interchange. Only four get selected. Make the tough call! I should have put Ninga in my side ahead of Bev Green, but I'm happy with the side I've selected. I reckon Whiteway is the best bet for the Bowen. Always in Wallan's best players and stands out with the facial hair!

You are probably spot on.. Was soft.. The only change I would have is Collins - Whiteway, but Collins won it for me... I would probably drop Choate, Dawson and Laurie if I had to, seeing as though it upset you so much.

Roy Cazaly

12 Aug 2008, 13:57

I would be very surprised if it didn't look something like this:

B: Craig Thompson, Warren Kairns, Bevan Green.
HB: Jae Wilton, Jason Allen, Bobby Johnson.
C: Shaun Sims, Chris Collins, James Wright.
HF: Brendan Chugg, Mick Lacy, Cole Laurie.
F: Mick Allen, Lee James, Rick Dowling.
R: Jeremy Jose, Blake Whiteway, Sam Young.
I: Tom Waters, Guy Donovan, Peter Robertson, Aaron Blade.

No Matt Welsh, your kidding yourself Nicholls. Will go close to Roos B&F but no place in your best 22?

Kings Army

12 Aug 2008, 16:20

Super attitude, i love it. Thats why you are an average side in a below average league. Go and figure out a way to stop or break down Riddels game plan. You could start by figuring out a way for their ruckmen to stop getting his hands on the footy first. Then the tap might not go to his lil bro. Then you might go forward and you might figure out that Sam Young doesn't like it when you run him hard the other way. You might even figure out that when Sam is puffing (not on a reefer) that you can physically annoy him and he will give away silly free kicks- who knows give him a smack behind the ear and he might even get himself sent off. He is a good player when it goes his way but he is a sook and has a short temper that can be uncovered easy. Riddell are the best side by a mile and admittedly Woodend are crap but you are playing in an average country league so the depth of players is not great. How about Woodend tries to expose some of Riddells weaker links. How about they run hard at that soft bloke with the dreadlocks??? There are so many things that can be done to beat Riddell and im sure if you gave me a few hours then i could write you a thesus on Riddells weaknesses but if you already have it worked out then good luck to you einstein. You will sitting in the Woodend pub with a sorry look on your face in September knowing you didnt really exhaust all avenues to win a flag. In hindsight though who cares- you got to wear a helmet in juniors, Danny Sipthorp will still be off his face nude techno dancing and Matty Loughnane will still be bowling right arm over in the summer. Get a life moron, if your not fair dinkum then play two's- you stink a bad smell!!!

What a shame you hate Melton South - maybe they could send you copy of their games!

B.O.G

12 Aug 2008, 16:24

Judging by your 20 goal loss a few weeks ago im guessing you have shitloads of homework to do. I wonder if Eade, Calrkson & co will say the same thing about geelong in the next few weeks. I can just imaging Clarko hitting the piss with hodgey, buddy & the boys on a sunday arvo while cats are playing Roos and saying "why would we go and watch geelong, we knew that they were going to win, we already know who there guns are, what homework could we possibly do??"
i Dont have a problem with players getting on the piss, in fact i reckon its grouse team bonding, but surely the coaching crew should be paying some attention & i dont just mean some midget player who has been given a token coaching role this year...

i just think that your comment of poor form for not watching the riddell game is just crap, if riddell beat us, then im guessing its not because we didnt take time off to go and watch them, its because there a better team on the day than what we were, plus the 20 goal hiding they gave shows nothing, lets wait til september, hopefully were the 2 teams left on that sunday, both at full strenth as to what we can be, and then judge it on those merits, not the idea that because we didnt "study up" on them.

and as for i my height what has that got to do with anything, nothing i guess, alot like your veiw you were trying to get across, what token coaching role had i been given? and again what has it got to do with not studying up on riddell?????

OMNIPOTENT_1

12 Aug 2008, 19:48

Omni’s 2008 RDFL Bowen Medal Vote Catching Fancies.

Riddell – Sam Young, Peter Robertson, Aaron Blade. Justin Belleville.

Woodend – Sam Bowen, Kar Weng Ng, Paul Podbury, Jay Downing.

Diggers – Jeremy Jose, Shawn Sims, Craig Thompson, Cole Laurie.

Sunbury – Bobby Johnson, Steve James, Leigh McInerney, Brenton Sutherland.

Wallan – Blake Whiteway, Blake Henderson, David Henderson, Haydn Langborne.

Macedon – James Wright, Jae Wilton, Brian Matthews, Daniel Trotta.

Lancefield – Tom Waters, Chris Collins, Caleb Plowman, Rick Dowling.

Melton – Brendan Chugg, Glen Nankervis, Kane Bullen, Brian Wheelehan.

Kilmore – Matt Robertson, Jason King, Adam Gouge, Alan Carroll.

Romsey – Ryan Connellan, Ben John, Warren Kairns, Phil Romeril.

Rockbank – Jason Welfare, Thomas Mainey, Travis Cook, Luke Walker.

Donegal

12 Aug 2008, 22:31

Great work CHEIFTONT,how's Zippy collins doing isnt he a great mate of yours from south too. is it true he was standing on the mark when you kicked that winning goal ?

Itsmyshow

13 Aug 2008, 09:17

matt_nicholls

13 Aug 2008, 09:41

Jamie Cuffe not a vote catcher???

You're lucky you had four players mentioned. OMNI rarely takes off his Riddell-coloured glasses. When he does, it's always on young Cats Jae Wilton and James Wright. :p

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 10:01

Matt do you know why Riddell are looking for a new coach,but have Mark Power or his brother Matt in the mix for next year.And L Harrison is not happy there been stuck in the two's

matt_nicholls

13 Aug 2008, 10:33

Matt do you know why Riddell are looking for a new coach,but have Mark Power or his brother Matt in the mix for next year.And L Harrison is not happy there been stuck in the two's

Scooter is doing a great job, and as far as I know all the players are behind him, and he should be there again next year if he wants the gig. Harrison played well in the seniors on the weekend, but he has had to change his game to fit into that side. I think the Powers are terrific coaches but don't think they'll be leading the Bombers next year.

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 10:42

Just wanted to know what you heard,but i guess i have the mail before you.Scooter stay's five of their guns will go

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 11:11

ronald mcdonald

13 Aug 2008, 11:21

My team of the year.
B: B Johnson(SUN) Kairns(ROM) Else(WH)
HB Ng(WH) Allen(RID) Wright(MAC)
C L Mclnnerney(SK) Young(RID) Welsh(SK)
HF Chugg(MC) Lacy(WH) Whiteway(W)
F Sims(DR) James(RID) Laurie(DR)
R Jose(DR) Collins(L) Wheelehan(MC)
INT Climas(RID), Blade(RID), Wilton(MAC), Dawson(ROM)

Roy Cazaly

13 Aug 2008, 12:15

i just think that your comment of poor form for not watching the riddell game is just crap, if riddell beat us, then im guessing its not because we didnt take time off to go and watch them, its because there a better team on the day than what we were, plus the 20 goal hiding they gave shows nothing, lets wait til september, hopefully were the 2 teams left on that sunday, both at full strenth as to what we can be, and then judge it on those merits, not the idea that because we didnt "study up" on them.

and as for i my height what has that got to do with anything, nothing i guess, alot like your veiw you were trying to get across, what token coaching role had i been given? and again what has it got to do with not studying up on riddell?????

What a piss weak excuse. If they beat you its because they are a better team on the day... At this level knowing your opposition inside out & doing match ups to suit can make a massive difference. From what im told Nick hartnett & goodyear did that job for woodsy last year & it helped, so who is doing it this year?
As for your height you werent the midget i was talking about but maybe you are

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 12:48

Well ROY i would be more worried about whats going at RIDDELL i watched the the last quarter at gissy and my team was at KANGAS.The talk is that riddell boys wanting too leave next year and we are in the process of reciutment so why can't we chose to go to any game we want. RIDDELL pick there weakest game for the year and have a casino night thurs night before the game,talk about no respect

DirtyHarry

13 Aug 2008, 15:39

After watching riddell today and listening into convo's from a few players this club is not going in the direction i thought would be it seems to be fallen apart.scooter will want his team heading into the finals as a unit not in fractions like i heard today resting guys who don't want to be rested ego's etc

Just wanted to know what you heard,but i guess i have the mail before you.Scooter stay's five of their guns will go

Matt do you know why Riddell are looking for a new coach,but have Mark Power or his brother Matt in the mix for next year.And L Harrison is not happy there been stuck in the two's

Well ROY i would be more worried about whats going at RIDDELL i watched the the last quarter at gissy and my team was at KANGAS.The talk is that riddell boys wanting too leave next year and we are in the process of reciutment so why can't we chose to go to any game we want. RIDDELL pick there weakest game for the year and have a casino night thurs night before the game,talk about no respect

Sounds like you've heard a lot about Riddell recently. :D

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 16:21

Well Dirty,i will be there to pick up pieces and start offering our cash around.Sorry Dirty did want cash too,see you at pre season 09

dons08

13 Aug 2008, 16:51

Desperate times calling for desperate measures hey Donegal?? Can't beat Riddell on the park so you try and upset the apple cart off it. Good ploy but easily picked up on.

Donegal

13 Aug 2008, 17:01

Are you woody 07 in disguise

justchecking

13 Aug 2008, 18:25

Wilton and Dettman to turn it on for our first final's tilt in years,we will have a crack. But the 09 season will be ours we have former players and new recruits lined up maybe one or two from Riddell and Gisborne

What a load of rubbish - I was at the Macedon - Lancefield game and Dettmann has a broken thumb - he was the runner. I spoke with a committee guy and I doubt if they would ever boast like you are? You can't be a Cat! By the way, Macedon haven't made the finals yet - I wouldn't be counting the chickens too quickly.