View Full Version : Why the hype around Cyril Rioli?
Line in the Sand
9 Oct 2007, 00:05
I am not to sure at the moment what all the fuss is about this kid. I know we have three groups out there.
Hawthorn need a KPD group!
A speedy outside running midfielder group!
We need a small forward group.
i for one am 100% up for getting a nice ready made or 90% there KPD Someone who is 194+ and well over 95kg. A speedster though the middle would be great to work with Changa. However all this talk of a small forward with out number 1 pick is rubbish. Willo has been out all season with a knee as we all know. He will slot back into this team perfectly. He will play out of the square 100% and then work at ground level. I am getting the feeling a lot of you have forgotten how good Willo was at ground level. He has that X factor just like Buddy. The only problem is if his knee injury has slowed him down which i am sure we will only find out next year.
Can anyone shed some info as to why we rate him so highly and why we have forgotten willo?
mulhollanddrive
9 Oct 2007, 00:51
Willo is not a crumbing forward. We would benefit from a crumbing forward. Rioli is the best crumbing forward in the draft.
Thats about that.
I'd agree on a key defender though, however there are near on none that are any good at under 25, that would be on the table. Hence why people salivate at Bradley, Brown, Carroll, Watt... hacks, that in a delusional moment of granduer could be the answer to our FB problem.
soupofficial
9 Oct 2007, 01:06
it's the tambling thing again. rioli has got a nickname that people feel smug when mentioning, and it becomes a bit of a herd mentality on postboards where the majority of members have never seen the players in question play.
there's probably a greater than 50% chance we won't take him, which is bound to be quite distressing to people who have been listening to their own self-talk for the past 3 or so months.
yeah he does appear to be the type of player our side could do with, but so are other players. most of us agree that hawthorn's recruiting staff have done a decent job of building the list over the past three years, so i'm interested to see the outcome of their deliberations next month.
Hawkamania!
9 Oct 2007, 01:32
He is a good crumbing forward and has excellent forward defensive skills similar to the Davey brothers. The pressure he would add in our forward line will create scoring opportunities for other players.
Line in the Sand
9 Oct 2007, 01:38
After writing this thread i did some research on the kid. I am one who can say i have never seen him play and the only thing i have heard of is that he kick 7 goals in a big game.
I know where you are comming from saying that Willo cannot be a crumber however he has always had to played tall for us due to our lack of high and leading players in the forward line. This year 2007 you could say has been a break our year for our forward line in terms of tall player.
I reckon if Mitch Thorp plays J Roughead will play back. If not, Roughhead will be the second tall forward. Buddy will just do his thing. Just like this year and Boyle if we still have him will play the third tall.
Willo will most likely play out of the square. Super quick still (i hope) and makes us LESS BUDDY CONSCIENCE. In the finals we went to him just a bit to much. Willo as we all know is a super kick and we can all trust him with the ball in front of goals.
However now he won't be going for everything in the air and can play that ground roll. I remember against Geelong at the end of 2005 he was a machine at ground level.
That all said i read a few bit here and there saying Rioli could be a super quick midfielder and he was only playing forward as a result form injury. In that case i would love to see him in the Brown and Gold.
That all said i read a few bit here and there saying Rioli could be a super quick midfielder and he was only playing forward as a result form injury. In that case i would love to see him in the Brown and Gold.
he has seen the light! :cool:
Given his good performance in repetitive sprints at the draft camp, there is a good chance Rioli will be drafted before Hawks first pick.
Freo will use their first pick on a good qaulity midfielder and I think one of Masten, Palmer or Rioli are the most likely choices for Freo to take.
That all said i read a few bit here and there saying Rioli could be a super quick midfielder and he was only playing forward as a result form injury. In that case i would love to see him in the Brown and Gold.
He actually was left one out in the forward 50 as Damian Hale cleared it out to utilise Rioli's ability. This game was the final of the series and was to have the Territory finish 2nd in the Division 2 of the Championships. Rioli kicks a huge 7 goals the largest haul for the Territory, was backed in and he thrived under the pressure and stirred N.T. home for the victory.
The TACHawks
9 Oct 2007, 10:21
Cousins and Ablet Jnr were recruited as small crumbing forwards.
A lot of people are saying Rioli is in the same mould and that's why he'll go top 10. I'd love to see him in the brown and gold.
dipper86
9 Oct 2007, 10:38
He won't last to our pick, hence why the hell are we getting excited about him.
Best Buddy
9 Oct 2007, 11:08
He won't last to our pick, hence why the hell are we getting excited about him.
The Age said he might go around pick 11, so you never know, with a bit of luck...
Anyway I've played on Cyril and at APS level the kid was something special. Could tear the game apart in a single passage of play. Just had that spark, can take a great grab, kicks the cod beautifully, and has amazing goal sense.
Would love to see him play with the Hawks.
As said by a poster above, perhaps start forward then graduate to the midfield ala Gazblett.
I am not to sure at the moment what all the fuss is about this kid. I know we have three groups out there.
Every year the Hawthorn boards are full of talk about some fast small foward that we absolutely must take with our first pick. Last year it was Leroy Jetta that everyone wanted us to waste pick 6 on, this year they've latched on to Rioli.
Personally I can't see us using a first round pick on anything except a top midfield prospect or a KPP, but who knows what our recruiting staff are thinking.
I haven't seen him play, but, I am concerned after reading he kicks goals as more of a FF than a crumbing forward.
soupofficial
9 Oct 2007, 11:44
Every year the Hawthorn boards are full of talk about some fast small foward that we absolutely must take with our first pick. Last year it was Leroy Jetta that everyone wanted us to waste pick 6 on, this year they've latched on to Rioli.
haha yeah that's right - another little aboriginal bloke with a name or nickname that captures the imagination of the masses, sight unseen. it would seem that without a gimmick, it's very difficult for indigenous draft prospects to endear themselves to this board. not even the nickname "buddy" would have been enough to stop people crying into their cornflakes about bloody "bling bling".
look out for the 11 home games + "undrafted nickname disengagement therapy" membership package that the club will probably have to offer to punters next year, and every year thereafter. the package will include 4 sessions with a school counselor, where techniques for dealing with loss and letting go will be taught.
Kapil Hawk
9 Oct 2007, 11:55
I too have seen him at APS level and if you are looking at Rioli you should look at 5 or 6 of the Clontarf Academy boys from Perth who are very similar and we could pick up for the same purpose in the 3rd or 4th round. Need another gun midfielder with our first pick, why should we go past Scott Selwood
The TACHawks
9 Oct 2007, 12:13
Every year the Hawthorn boards are full of talk about some fast small foward that we absolutely must take with our first pick. Last year it was Leroy Jetta that everyone wanted us to waste pick 6 on, this year they've latched on to Rioli.
Personally I can't see us using a first round pick on anything except a top midfield prospect or a KPP, but who knows what our recruiting staff are thinking.
Last year we all knew we were going KPP. Either Thorp(e) or Sellar.
This year Pelch wants 1. KPD 2. outside mid 3. crumbing forward.
Let's wait and see if he can weave his magic?? ;)
Kapil Hawk
9 Oct 2007, 12:18
Can someone actually prove to me that Pelchen has said we need a crumbing forward please or has this been instigated by BF???? Can't see the logic of a first rounder for a 'bit' player/position
The TACHawks
9 Oct 2007, 12:31
Can someone actually prove to me that Pelchen has said we need a crumbing forward please or has this been instigated by BF???? Can't see the logic of a first rounder for a 'bit' player/position
He made no mention of the positions in his address last week in Canberra.
Where did we hear about it then??? :confused:
wallyt99
9 Oct 2007, 17:44
I don't think he is a crumbing forward guys....
He is actually Buddy Franklin's Uncle (in aboriginal terms) and I have seen photos of the 2 next to each other.
He is nearly as tall as buddy.
Might not quite be a KPP, but is easily over 6ft.
wallyt99
9 Oct 2007, 17:55
Actually.....further resaerch shows he is 5.10 ....oh well =)
Best Buddy
9 Oct 2007, 19:24
I don't think he is a crumbing forward guys....
He can play crumbing forward. But he can also play on a wing or flank and push forward to kick plenty as well.
He reads it so well, and that shouldn't change from the level I've seen him play to AFL.
So hopefully he can play crumbing forward.
All hypothetical anyway, he is unlikely to last until pick 12.
GetSmart
9 Oct 2007, 19:26
Saw Cyril or Junior as they call him last year on two occassions when they played Haileybury in the APS. On both occassions he was just fair. The second game was the Grand Final of the APS which was a great match won narrowly by Haileybury. In that game players to feature other than Junior Rioli were Sam Shelton (Brisbane Lions) Nick Smith (Sydney) Nathan Djuerrka (Geelong) and Brett Collins (Hawthorn). The stand out player and awarded Best afield was a player we have already.............Brett Collins. From what I saw Djuerrka was the one that was super quick. Junior was just ok as a player!
Nightwolf
9 Oct 2007, 19:27
Get him to Hawthorn. Perfect for us..
Hawkie_McHawkHawk
9 Oct 2007, 22:41
I don't like the idea of it. While being able to say I've seen absolutely zilch of his footy, Im just not sold on the type of player he is, and especially with our first pick.
Too many of the crumbing/pacey little blokes come and go, and in my eyes we would be better off going for the best player we can get with our pick when its our turn, and work on drafting/trading for a player that fits the mold, and with less chance of burning us.
My two cents.
hmmm a (supposedly) highly rated small quick aboriginal forward/mid who played okay in Division 2.... does anyone smell a tambling?
NoobHunter15
8 Nov 2008, 04:54
great thread hawks boys!
Adelaide Hawk
8 Nov 2008, 07:03
I never saw this thread at the time and am very surprised so many people didn't rate him. Okay, it's always easy in hindsight, but I recall a youtube package of Rioli playing at school and it was obvious he was exactly what we needed. Maybe that footage wasn't around when this thread was being constructed. I remember being very pleased when I heard we had him.
Neither did I, Al made it pretty clear he was going to either trade or draft a ready made player in his 3rd year tho, so Rioli was an obvious pick if he was available.
Personally I can't see us using a first round pick on anything except a top midfield prospect or a KPP, but who knows what our recruiting staff are thinking.
I was 100% correct, we used our first round pick on a top midfield prospect. :thumbsu:
Actually I remember being very sceptical about Rioli early on, a small forward with questionable fitness. But as I heard more about him closer to the draft, like that he'd played mainly midfield and only went forward due to injury in the match against Qld, and that perhaps an injury had limited his running at draft camp but that he was doing extra training after school on his own to get fit, I softened on him. And come draft day I wasn't upset we'd taken him. Not jumping out of my skin excited, but there wasn't anyone else left with our pick that I wanted us to take instead.
Now of course I'm fully on the bandwagon. For all his obvious talents, the main thing I like about him is that he's one of only 2 or 3 players at the Hawks were if the ball goes to him in a 1 on 1 I'm confident that he'll win it. Hell, I'll back him 60% of the time if he only has to beat two other blokes.
Nice Reverse Gear markr
jk...
Roger Rogerson
8 Nov 2008, 08:42
I was 100% correct, we used our first round pick on a top midfield prospect. :thumbsu:
Actually I remember being very sceptical about Rioli early on, a small forward with questionable fitness. But as I heard more about him closer to the draft, like that he'd played mainly midfield and only went forward due to injury in the match against Qld, and that perhaps an injury had limited his running at draft camp but that he was doing extra training after school on his own to get fit, I softened on him. And come draft day I wasn't upset we'd taken him. Not jumping out of my skin excited, but there wasn't anyone else left with our pick that I wanted us to take instead.
Now of course I'm fully on the bandwagon. For all his obvious talents, the main thing I like about him is that he's one of only 2 or 3 players at the Hawks were if the ball goes to him in a 1 on 1 I'm confident that he'll win it. Hell, I'll back him 60% of the time if he only has to beat two other blokes.
Who are the others?
haha yeah that's right - another little aboriginal bloke with a name or nickname that captures the imagination of the masses, sight unseen. it would seem that without a gimmick, it's very difficult for indigenous draft prospects to endear themselves to this board. not even the nickname "buddy" would have been enough to stop people crying into their cornflakes about bloody "bling bling".
look out for the 11 home games + "undrafted nickname disengagement therapy" membership package that the club will probably have to offer to punters next year, and every year thereafter. the package will include 4 sessions with a school counselor, where techniques for dealing with loss and letting go will be taught.
Lol. This post could not have been more wrong! The club now has a special "Junior Rioli" membership package for kids.
I do not remember this thread from last year. I was very very keen to get Rioli with our first pick and was absolutely pumped on draft day when we read his name out.
The rest, as they say, is history. With more to come.
great thread hawks boys!
Where was your prediction around the same time that said he would be a superstar?
Who are the others?
Hodge and... hmm let me think. Sewell would go pretty close, he'll either win the ball or create a stoppage with his workrate and tackling. Obviously there are other guys who regularly win contested ball, but there's not many where you're already looking downfield to see who they're going to deliver it to before the contest. Perhaps I should have changed "confident" he'll win it with "certain" he'll win it.
Nice Reverse Gear markr
jk...
:o
I'd still take Cotchin ahead of him if we had pick 1 in the draft, but geez he's shown more than most of the rest. Palmer is probably 50/50, do you take the 15 brilliant touches or the 30 good ones? (We all say Rioli obviously, but I don't know if it's quite that clear cut) It's going to be really interesting to see how Masten, Morton, Myers and Dangerfield go in say three years time. It's still very early days. I really like the look of Myers, it's such a pity he went to the scum.
Of course we can only pick from what's available, so there's Ebert, Grimes and Callan Ward to keep an eye on. I'd have loved to have grabbed Ward.
Roger Rogerson
8 Nov 2008, 08:54
Hodge and... hmm let me think. Sewell would go pretty close, he'll either win the ball or create a stoppage with his workrate and tackling. Obviously there are other guys who regularly win contested ball, but there's not many where you're already looking downfield to see who they're going to deliver it to before the contest.
Yeah those 2 for sure. Browndog has to be in there as well. Buddy would win most 50/50 ground level loose balls but most come at him in the air.
Cyril is extraordinarily good one on one.
HAWKS HEROES
8 Nov 2008, 09:25
I never saw this thread at the time and am very surprised so many people didn't rate him. Okay, it's always easy in hindsight, but I recall a youtube package of Rioli playing at school and it was obvious he was exactly what we needed. Maybe that footage wasn't around when this thread was being constructed. I remember being very pleased when I heard we had him.
nor did i but the excitement when he gets the ball has everyone on their feet :thumbsu:
Hell, I'll back him 60% of the time if he only has to beat two other blokes.
Cyril Rioli against 2 opponents is a 50:50 contest.
Particularly if one of those is a gorilla like Max (Power) Rooke ;)
But he struggles against 3 opponents!
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Hawks2009
8 Nov 2008, 17:33
hmmm a (supposedly) highly rated small quick aboriginal forward/mid who played okay in Division 2.... does anyone smell a tambling?
Still smell like Tambling??
Get off the back of the guys who play div 2. Its not their fault where they are from. Birch was a div 2 player as well
Gilbert_Hodge
8 Nov 2008, 17:44
Hahaha hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Neville Bartos
8 Nov 2008, 19:54
Watching the 2008 season highlights video for the first time, it made me realise how unbelievably well we did in getting this kid. He is a better footballer than Buddy at the same age, and Buddy will always have him covered for strength, height and sheer arrogance, but we will seriously be building our team around Buddy, Ellis and Rioli for the next 10-15 years.
Rioli will become one of the top 5 players in the AFL
Lord_Espos
8 Nov 2008, 20:08
I really wish some of our posters on this board re-read the drivel they post.
So confidently predicting that certain players are going to do well and others not.
Thanks goodness none of you are on the Hawks coaching and drafting panel!
;)
macdaddio
8 Nov 2008, 21:12
I am not to sure at the moment what all the fuss is about this kid. I know we have three groups out there.
Hawthorn need a KPD group!
A speedy outside running midfielder group!
We need a small forward group.
i for one am 100% up for getting a nice ready made or 90% there KPD Someone who is 194+ and well over 95kg. A speedster though the middle would be great to work with Changa. However all this talk of a small forward with out number 1 pick is rubbish. Willo has been out all season with a knee as we all know. He will slot back into this team perfectly. He will play out of the square 100% and then work at ground level. I am getting the feeling a lot of you have forgotten how good Willo was at ground level. He has that X factor just like Buddy. The only problem is if his knee injury has slowed him down which i am sure we will only find out next year.
Can anyone shed some info as to why we rate him so highly and why we have forgotten willo?
Have you watched any hawthorn games this year, the kid is 18 and played all 22 games and all 3 finals including the GF, havent you seen his running and tackling he is one of the reasons Hawthorn won the 2008 premiership, he gives us foward line presure and tackling presure Willo is not a crumber he cant do things Rioli can and Rioli cant do things Willo can but they are different players..
CouchPotato
8 Nov 2008, 22:56
Have you watched any hawthorn games this year, the kid is 18 and played all 22 games and all 3 finals including the GF, havent you seen his running and tackling he is one of the reasons Hawthorn won the 2008 premiership, he gives us foward line presure and tackling presure Willo is not a crumber he cant do things Rioli can and Rioli cant do things Willo can but they are different players..
Mac take a look at the op date :o
I remember another thread along these lines, couldn't be bothered looking for it but do recall something about rioli and fridges from Chrissie if I recall.
Always get a laugh out of bumped threads, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
HAWKS HEROES
9 Nov 2008, 09:09
if i remember rightly he came 6th in best and fairest too in his first yr
macdaddio
9 Nov 2008, 09:51
Mac take a look at the op date :o
I remember another thread along these lines, couldn't be bothered looking for it but do recall something about rioli and fridges from Chrissie if I recall.
Always get a laugh out of bumped threads, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
How embarressement... my bad i,l just go hide now.........:o
cschreuder61
9 Nov 2008, 15:21
Get him to Hawthorn. Perfect for us..
Nice work Nightwolf.
Hawkamania!
9 Nov 2008, 18:45
He is a good crumbing forward and has excellent forward defensive skills similar to the Davey brothers. The pressure he would add in our forward line will create scoring opportunities for other players.
*Bumps to pump own ego*:D
We can add Cameron Stokes as another good draft pick by our recruiting staff.:thumbsu: