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tommahawk
7 Oct 2007, 21:04
listen i know your all going to jump down my throat here.... but today i was at a cafe in southbank and there it was our recruiting manager sitting down having lunch with sam power from the bulldogs... its is going to be a straight swap for tim callan....
what are peoples thoughts here?
its worth a crack i suppose power is a top 10 draft pick in the super draft
micky_11
7 Oct 2007, 21:05
You guys are pretty unlucky then
So, I'm the recruitment manager and every time some random comes up and asks about it I tell them exactly what's going on. :rolleyes:
I dunno, doesn't bother me as long as we don't get rid of anyone out of our best 22.
Who s our recruitment manager Tomahawk?
catempire
7 Oct 2007, 21:34
Seems like a waste. Can't see how he'd get a senior game.
tommahawk
7 Oct 2007, 21:39
Who s our recruitment manager Tomahawk?
steven wells mate.. listen dont make me out to be a lier buddy im just telling my follow cat fans what i saw!
im just telling my follow cat fans what i saw!
Can you read lips? ;)
Norm Johnson20
7 Oct 2007, 21:42
Yeah I'm not too sure why you guys are shooting this down. It is a very viable trade option. We aren't going to get a gun for Callan.
Thanks for the info tomma :thumbsu:.
steven wells mate.. listen dont make me out to be a lier buddy im just telling my follow cat fans what i saw!
I was just checking to see if you knew who you where talking about.:thumbsu:
Turbocat
7 Oct 2007, 21:48
I think it would be more likely that we would be thinking of him as on trade material.
For eg.
Callan to the Dogs
Power to us then Power to Brisbane to play with his brother
Sherman to us . Handy H/Forward
Of course Brisbane does have a ruckman thats wants out. Cam Wood.
Now the Dogs and a few other clubs probably fancy grabing him but maybe if a certain ruckman playing for us wants out( apparently talking to Richmond) then maybe we can make a play for him
Norm Johnson20
7 Oct 2007, 21:55
Has Blake been talking to Richmond, or are you just basing that from what we said about PSD or nothing for Blakey?
chapmanmagic35
7 Oct 2007, 22:04
I would have thought a draft pick would be a better option.
sarah.13
7 Oct 2007, 22:07
I think it would be more likely that we would be thinking of him as on trade material.
For eg.
Callan to the Dogs
Power to us then Power to Brisbane to play with his brother
Sherman to us . Handy H/Forward
Of course Brisbane does have a ruckman thats wants out. Cam Wood.
Now the Dogs and a few other clubs probably fancy grabing him but maybe if a certain ruckman playing for us wants out( apparently talking to Richmond) then maybe we can make a play for him
I really like the sound of that. Like the way Sherman plays,plenty of pace and likes to kick goals. :thumbsu:
thejester
7 Oct 2007, 22:13
I really like the sound of that. Like the way Sherman plays,plenty of pace and likes to kick goals. :thumbsu:
Because we've got such a deficiency of pacey goal-kicking small forwards.
I dont think the Power, on-trade to the Lions will work for Sherman. He's a star and had a down year.
It would be like trading Griffen for Brynes.
rocker_oz33
7 Oct 2007, 22:27
I dont think the Power, on-trade to the Lions will work for Sherman. He's a star and had a down year.
It would be like trading Griffen for Brynes.
no probs l like it
DOnt want Power, dud, well not a dud but not nearly good enough to get a spot in our line up i dont think. Happy to allow Callan to dogs to give him more opportunity but not for Power.
sarah.13
7 Oct 2007, 22:44
Because we've got such a deficiency of pacey goal-kicking small forwards.
Are you saying that you wouldn't like him on the list? Surely you jest?
Outside Chapman and Stokes I would rate Shermen ahead of anyone else on our list at the moment.
Varcoe is still 1-2 years away from being a good, consistent player.
Byrnes is a hack and cannot kick goals.
Tenace is gone and is more of a midfielder running back type.
Djerrkura is a in and under midfielder.
Davenport still not on senior list and more of a midfielder.
We are only a couple of injuries away from not having a quality crumbmer.
I for one think he would be a good pick-up.
catempire
7 Oct 2007, 22:47
For eg.
Callan to the Dogs
Power to us then Power to Brisbane to play with his brother
Sherman to us . Handy H/Forward
Turbo, I don't think Wellsy would bother speaking to Power like that if he was to be on-traded.
Cheshire Cat
7 Oct 2007, 22:49
Have I missed something? Sherman from Brisbane is a gun, Luke Power and Tim Callan are battlers, and older?! I can't see why the hell Brisbane would make that deal.
And Sam Power would not get a game at Geelong
Nobody will be giving us Justin Sherman. That would be akin to handing us the 2008 Premiership Cup.
Waverley73
8 Oct 2007, 09:48
steven wells mate.. listen dont make me out to be a lier buddy im just telling my follow cat fans what i saw!
So what exactly did you 'see'? Was Wells holding up placards (large enough so you and everyone else in the cafe could read) with players names on them and when they got to the one that said 'Sam Power', Wells yelled out (loud enough so you and everyone else in the cafe could hear) - 'THATS WHO WE ARE GOING TO STRAIGHT SWAP YOU FOR'.
Try harder.
catempire
8 Oct 2007, 10:18
So what exactly did you 'see'? Was Wells holding up placards (large enough so you and everyone else in the cafe could read) with players names on them and when they got to the one that said 'Sam Power', Wells yelled out (loud enough so you and everyone else in the cafe could hear) - 'THATS WHO WE ARE GOING TO STRAIGHT SWAP YOU FOR'.
Try harder.
Dude. It was the weekend before trade week. Our recruiting manager was talking to a player from another club. You don't need placards to know what that means.
Waverley73
8 Oct 2007, 10:22
Dude. It was the weekend before trade week. Our recruiting manager was talking to a player from another club. You don't need placards to know what that means.
Maybe. I have just seen time after time after time on here people who pretend to 'know' stuff but it just ends up as bollocks.
Well we do have a trading history with them, so i wouldn't totally discount it, but for them to trade Power for Callen makes no sense.
Power for Prismall on the other hand make more sense for them i would have thought.
We wouldn't take Sam Power as a straight swap surely.
It seems a pretty pointless thing to do. Bring a guy in to play reserves.
If we are talking to Sam Power, then I'd say there will be a little more to the deal.
Either we get a draft pick on traded from another club, or another more appropriate player...but what will we get for Callan? Not much.
All we should be after is a draft pick, not a recycled hack.
I can't imagine there's a quality young player around that a club is willing to give up for Tim Callan.
From memory, we were pretty keen on Power way back in the 2001 Draft. Of course, as things would turn out, Jimmy Brownlow was the man.
Agree with the general consensus here though; Power wouldn't add much. Outside finisher, maybe, but he'll struggle to break into the team that demands much, much more.
thejester
8 Oct 2007, 10:49
We are only a couple of injuries away from not having a quality crumbmer.
:rolleyes:
We're only a couple of injuries from not having a quality ruckman. We're only a couple of injures from not having a quality tall forward. We're only a couple of injuries from not having a quality tall defender. We're only a couple of injuries short of not having...etc, etc, etc.
The reality is in terms of depth, only our midfielders exceed the small forwards. We have Chapman, Stokes, Johnson, Byrnes, Varcoe and Djekurra, as well as a pinch hitter in Owen. Compare that to our backmen stocks: anyone gets injured and we have to bring in one of Playfair, Hunt and Spencer. I'd rather be recruiting some quality tall defenders than yet another small forward.
Rockford
8 Oct 2007, 12:19
We wouldn't take Sam Power as a straight swap surely.
It seems a pretty pointless thing to do. Bring a guy in to play reserves.
If we are talking to Sam Power, then I'd say there will be a little more to the deal.
Either we get a draft pick on traded from another club, or another more appropriate player...but what will we get for Callan? Not much.
All we should be after is a draft pick, not a recycled hack.
I can't imagine there's a quality young player around that a club is willing to give up for Tim Callan.
Maybe the trade involves an upgrade of a pick in the draft as well?
It's all conjecture at this stage anyway.
sarah.13
8 Oct 2007, 12:25
:rolleyes:
We're only a couple of injuries from not having a quality ruckman. We're only a couple of injures from not having a quality tall forward. We're only a couple of injuries from not having a quality tall defender. We're only a couple of injuries short of not having...etc, etc, etc.
The reality is in terms of depth, only our midfielders exceed the small forwards. We have Chapman, Stokes, Johnson, Byrnes, Varcoe and Djekurra, as well as a pinch hitter in Owen. Compare that to our backmen stocks: anyone gets injured and we have to bring in one of Playfair, Hunt and Spencer. I'd rather be recruiting some quality tall defenders than yet another small forward.
Are you saying that you wouldn't like him on the list? Surely you jest?
Outside Chapman and Stokes I would rate Shermen ahead of anyone else on our list at the moment.
Varcoe is still 1-2 years away from being a good, consistent player.
Byrnes is a hack and cannot kick goals.
Tenace is gone and is more of a midfielder running back type.
Djerrkura is a in and under midfielder.
Davenport still not on senior list and more of a midfielder.
We are only a couple of injuries away from not having a quality crumbmer.
I for one think he would be a good pick-up.
If you are going to quote me then quote the whole thing.I've already stated that I believe that Sherman is ahead of those players except for Chapman and Stokes. Johnno is not a small crumbing forward.
sexyhunk
8 Oct 2007, 12:32
surely a pick would be a better option, even if is like a 3rd or 4th rounder..
i been very happy with our recritment department would the lower picks recently, they should have enough confidence unless is a really shallow draft this year.
This has Ben Finnin written all over it. The only reason for this would be to release a bit of salary cap pressure.
WE Are Geelong
8 Oct 2007, 12:33
Mike Sheahan tagged along one day to see what goes on when coaches and talent scouts interview potential draftees...on this occasion Bomber and I assume Wellsy went and interviewd Sam Power from memory. The reason I recall was the last question was.."what do you do if you are playing against your brother?"...and I am fairly sure the question related to Luke at the lions.
Assuming I am correct in my recollections...that interview last week if it took place will be of some significance I imagine if indeed we end up trading with the doggies at some stage this week.
sexyhunk
8 Oct 2007, 12:38
This has Ben Finnin written all over it. The only reason for this would be to release a bit of salary cap pressure.
nah, that was for ronnie burns who was one of the highest paid at the time, i doubt callen would be on that kind of dough...
Power is 190 cm isn't he? What position would he be looking at playing for the cats? Maybe Milburn's spot if Milburn has plans to retire in the next couple.
Curious as to where exactly Sam power would fit and why he would be interested in going to the cats knowing he is will struggle to get a game.
Still we are not going to get much for Callan. I'd be happy enough with Power if he if he was on a low wage.
nananana catman
8 Oct 2007, 13:08
Some players who struggle at clubs can go elsewhere and thrive, maybe they are willing to take a risk or two in regards to this because or list is so strong, if it pays off great, if it doesn't it wont hurt us. Power could be a pretty slick Half back IMO, he has nice skills.
thejester
8 Oct 2007, 13:12
If you are going to quote me then quote the whole thing.I've already stated that I believe that Sherman is ahead of those players except for Chapman and Stokes. Johnno is not a small crumbing forward.
Why? The part I quoted was the only relevant part to the argument. Your whole argument is based around the fact we don't have enough smalls...yet we clearly do, no matter where Sherman slots in in terms of talent. I mean, we could go for Judd because he'd be better than all our midfielders, but we don't need him because our current midfield works perfectly well and we have plenty of talent sitting in the twos. The same applies here. Yeah, Sherman would be better than Varcoe, Byrnes, Djekurra, Gamble etc. So what? He's still not needed, whereas a decent back-up tall defender is.
Although Power has had a more fruitful career then Callan, they are in similar boats. Both good players that struggle to make there teams best 22(more so in Callan's case). Callan has 15 games and Power 80 odd. But they have both had enough time at their clubs and maybe they would both benefit from a change. As they are to good to simply delist.
sarah.13
8 Oct 2007, 13:49
Why? The part I quoted was the only relevant part to the argument. Your whole argument is based around the fact we don't have enough smalls...yet we clearly do, no matter where Sherman slots in in terms of talent. I mean, we could go for Judd because he'd be better than all our midfielders, but we don't need him because our current midfield works perfectly well and we have plenty of talent sitting in the twos. The same applies here. Yeah, Sherman would be better than Varcoe, Byrnes, Djekurra, Gamble etc. So what? He's still not needed, whereas a decent back-up tall defender is.
Sherman to the cats was brought up as a swap for Callen!!Sherman much more talented than Callen and therefore a good result,was my point.
I agree that the area we need to top up is KPBackman.
This will be done in the draft I assume.Sherman is a ball carrier,lightening quick and kicks goals.Would get a game ahead of Byrnes any day of the week.
I dont think the Power, on-trade to the Lions will work for Sherman. He's a star and had a down year.
It would be like trading Griffen for Brynes.
Pfffft... as if we'd do that!!!
moondog21
8 Oct 2007, 17:59
I think it would be more likely that we would be thinking of him as on trade material.
For eg.
Callan to the Dogs
Power to us then Power to Brisbane to play with his brother
Sherman to us . Handy H/Forward
Of course Brisbane does have a ruckman thats wants out. Cam Wood.
Now the Dogs and a few other clubs probably fancy grabing him but maybe if a certain ruckman playing for us wants out( apparently talking to Richmond) then maybe we can make a play for him
if we trade callan for power we cant trade power until the end of next year they are the rules
foxdoog50
8 Oct 2007, 19:48
Yes Sherman To Cats. Like The Sound Of That
edfl2006
8 Oct 2007, 21:17
sam power is a dud pure and simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some players who struggle at clubs can go elsewhere and thrive, maybe they are willing to take a risk or two in regards to this because or list is so strong, if it pays off great, if it doesn't it wont hurt us. Power could be a pretty slick Half back IMO, he has nice skills.
He'd fit in quite well coming off half back. He's a similar player to Mackie.
Cheshire Cat
8 Oct 2007, 22:45
Some players who struggle at clubs can go elsewhere and thrive, maybe they are willing to take a risk or two in regards to this because or list is so strong, if it pays off great, if it doesn't it wont hurt us. Power could be a pretty slick Half back IMO, he has nice skills.
The problem is how does he fit into the best backline in the league? Who's he supposed to replace? Mackie? Nup. Woj? Nup. Milburn? :D Umm. :thumbsd:
Seriously we might as well keep Callan if we're going to get Power
kinggaz29
9 Oct 2007, 10:55
Steven wells has said all parties have a agreed on the move and will be finalised today with what we get in return.
Good move for both i think he was never gonna crack our 22 so a fresh start for him will do him good.
Please post here when anyone hears what we got in return!
Late pick is all I've heard so you've probably just given him away, very similar to what we did with Shane Birss last year who was in the same situation.
it will be our last pick in the draft. we woulndnt use it anyway. you can then use this for your father son. it could be pick 567 for all that matters. everyones a winner.
CattersforPremiers
9 Oct 2007, 11:21
Im thinking probably a 3rd round pick would be appropriate, i mean hes no mug, he can play he was just never going to get a spot in the Geelong 22, and with Donohue as a replacement, its logical for him to move on
it will be our last pick in the draft. we woulndnt use it anyway. you can then use this for your father son. it could be pick 567 for all that matters. everyones a winner.
Hardly. We can't use acquired draft picks on our father/son prospects - pick has to be our own.
Secondly, any draft pick acquired through trade has to be utilised, so technically speaking, it can't just be Pick 567. Any pick we get for Callan will be late in the draft, but usable all the same.
Big Nasty
9 Oct 2007, 11:38
Good luck to the kid. Never got his opportunity with Geelong, so hopefully he blosomms at the Bulldogs.
Im thinking probably a 3rd round pick would be appropriate, i mean hes no mug, he can play he was just never going to get a spot in the Geelong 22, and with Donohue as a replacement, its logical for him to move on
You'd hope we'd get an alright pick. What did we get for Paul Chambers again?
CattersforPremiers
9 Oct 2007, 11:47
No idea off the top of my head, but hasnt chambers been delisted from Sydney as well?
Callan is considerably better than Chambers was though, although they play different positions
IIRC Chambers was a second round pick? Didn't do much at Sydney, and like you said I believe Callan is more worth to a club than Chambers, have to admit I was surprised what Sydney was willing to give us for him.
Edit: Yep, just looked back and we got pick 35 for Chambers.
What picks do the Dogs have exactly?
thejester
9 Oct 2007, 11:53
You'd hope we'd get an alright pick. What did we get for Paul Chambers again?
We got Pick #20 for Street and Pick #35 for Chambers, according to wiki.
EDIT: The Dogs have 5, 22, 38, 54, 70...does anyone else think that Pick #38 could equal Scott Thompson?
Ling Sting
9 Oct 2007, 11:59
Good for both parties.
He's exactly what they need i.e. a bit of guts across the half backline and he was never going to get a gig with us with DJ in front of him as cover for small back.
cat_fanatic_21
9 Oct 2007, 12:09
Callan + our 2rd round pick for Bulldogs 2nd round pick???
Norm Johnson20
9 Oct 2007, 12:34
Yep, the upgrade situation is definitely the way to go here.
Anthony_
9 Oct 2007, 12:49
Callan + our 2rd round pick for Bulldogs 2nd round pick???
Ahh we wont give away our 2nd for Hudson...don't think a 2nd swap with Geelong will fly.
Callan + our 2rd round pick for Bulldogs 2nd round pick???
Probably will be used in the Hudson deal although I heard last week that a 3 way deal may just hapen that could get us Hudson and Callan in the one deal. We'll have to wait and see
If it is just Bulldogs and Geelong I can't imagine the Dogs giving up any more than a third round pick and it will more than likely be our highest 4th rounder IMO.
someday-somehow
9 Oct 2007, 13:22
Good luck to Timmy, one thing the bulldogs will soon realise is that this guy will never die wondering......
TheTimberMerchant#14
9 Oct 2007, 13:35
i'd rather give away callan for nothing than get this bloke.
in fact this doggies supporter i know rang up KB on SEN one day and just gave it to KB cause KB thought that sam power (or sideways as we like to call him) was a decent player.
Some players who struggle at clubs can go elsewhere and thrive, maybe they are willing to take a risk or two in regards to this because or list is so strong, if it pays off great, if it doesn't it wont hurt us. Power could be a pretty slick Half back IMO, he has nice skills.
Could be the case have nothing to lose really considering Callan was probably going to be delisted anyway
From this side of the fence I would be happy with that deal. We would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Sam and I would rather a ready made player than another late pick which we seem to have a lot of right now.
I wouldn't know what to expect from Power, his roll changed towards the end of the year and I thought he did quite well when he came back into the side late in the season although on here you wouldn't know that no matter what he does he has always been teh scape goat for many BF Bulldogs supporters. If true it could go either way for you guys but he will offer more in the short term than a 4th round pick would and add more depth to your list that will be challenging for another preimership over the next few years.
rainmaker
9 Oct 2007, 14:23
goodluck to the bloke
really unlucky, and in afl class, just had too many of the same
he will be an upgrade pick
geelong are only looking at max 4 picks, with one already committed
so looking at upgrading pick, eg want bullies pick 2 for callan and geelongs pick 3
waiting for other deals eg hudson & McMahon to be finalised to finish this one
clarke_rubber
9 Oct 2007, 15:14
Well we have a habit of humiliating Power, particularly the Port Adelaide Power but we'll take him. He's no Luke but he'll be good for a back-up for any premiership hangovers or injuries early next season. Could see him as part of our long term future.
Team Extreme
9 Oct 2007, 16:59
Its up on the wesite
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52322
Confirmed
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52322
Confirmed
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52322
Sort of confirmed
“The two clubs and Tim have all agreed that Tim will be playing for the Bulldogs but we haven’t finalised exactly what the deal will be yet,” Wells said.
BTW,that is the same story that's in todays papers
tommahawk
9 Oct 2007, 18:19
Listen i could never garantee that power was going to end up with us next season... BUT I SAW SAM POWER HAVING LUNCH WITH STEVEN WELLS IN SOUTH YARRA!! DONT TRY AND MAKE ME OUT TO BE A LYER!!
rainmaker
9 Oct 2007, 18:56
will not finalised till the bullies finish trading, coz then they will agree with the catters
CatmanForever
9 Oct 2007, 19:10
I think some of you are being overly hard on tommahawk who was just reporting what he seen. He wasn't making any real statements about what it meant. Also, given how Callan is being traded to the Bulldogs I think that the assumption that Wells having lunch with Power just prior to trade period means power a possible trade to Geelong is not pushing the boundaries of credibility.
Wether you believe tommahawk or not is up to you but how about you show some diplomacy in stating your beliefs and not provoking arguements about it.
Mr Sensitive
9 Oct 2007, 19:19
good luck to Tim... He'll do well at Footscray. He's a good player, just couldn't crack into our team. The new environment will do him the world of good.
Callan + our 2rd round pick for Bulldogs 2nd round pick???
And then on-trade your old 2nd round pick to Adelaide for Hudson? Possibly. We did the same thing last year with Aker and McDougall, who were packaged together for the cost of our original 2nd round pick last year.
CharlieG
9 Oct 2007, 19:27
Secondly, any draft pick acquired through trade has to be utilised, so technically speaking, it can't just be Pick 567. Any pick we get for Callan will be late in the draft, but usable all the same.
I believe this rule has been changed for this year, as it was recognised by the AFL to be a barrier to players like Callan finding new clubs, without actually having any positive function.
In other words, you can indeed take whatever nominal pick you like for Callan, if all you want to do is let him go elsewhere.
Geelong Fella
9 Oct 2007, 19:38
probably third or fourth round for him, he won our vfl b&f so he's not too bad, but we've just got to many players like him
Just heard on the news that the Hudson to Bulldogs deal has been done, they didn't go into detail, so since that's done, you'd think this would progress now.
Ammo Man
10 Oct 2007, 18:24
Apparently we only got the Doggies last pick. Poor result for mine.
Rockford
10 Oct 2007, 18:57
Apparently we only got the Doggies last pick. Poor result for mine.
I don't think we were actually looking to get anything for Callan. I think he wanted to go to the Doggies and they wanted him, and I don't think the club had a problem with him going there. The trade rules stop him from just signing for them so we had to trade for something, won't be surprised if we don't even use the pick.
It would've been nice to get a 2nd round pick upgraded or something though, Callan is no hack.