Next Seasons Best 22 [Archive]

CatmanForever

9 Oct 2007, 14:16

not much different to this year. ...The questions will be if the likes of Hawkins, Varcoe, Djerrkura, Prismall, or DJ can force their way into the senior team. I am sure all of them will get a run at various stages.

I can't wait to see how Tomahawk will go with a full preseason under his belt. He obviously has been working hard this year on his fitness as you could really notice the difference in his body by the end of the year.

cat_fanatic_21

9 Oct 2007, 14:21

Milburn - Scarlett - Harley
Enright - Egan - Mackie
Corey - Bartel - Wojcinski
S. Johnson - Mooney - N. Ablett
Stokes - Hawkins - Chapman
Ottens - Ablett - Ling
Selwood - King - Prismall/Kelly - Rooke/Hunt/D. Johnson

If Blake is still at Geelong it will be between him and King for the second ruck spot.

Pris and Kelly are similar players IMO and will probably fight for one spot.

The hardest part is deciding the best back six. All have a case IMO. What a luxury to be able to choose the remaining bench spot from Hunt/Rooke/D. Johnson etc.

gus17

9 Oct 2007, 14:57

B: Harley - Scarlett - Wojcinski
HB: Milburn - Egan - Mackie
C: Tenace - Bartel - Enright
HF: Johnson - Mooney - Chapman
F: G Ablett - Hawkins - N Ablett

Foll: Ottens - Ling - Corey

I/C: Selwood - Blake - Kelly - Stokes - Rooke

Tenace will play rounds 1-6 he will get good game time, after round 6 he will either be a VFL player to trade or delist a years end or he may finally relish his opportunity and play like a high draft pick should.

5 on the bench someone will be injured guarantee

Ling Sting

9 Oct 2007, 15:02

sarah.13

9 Oct 2007, 15:11

Milburn - Scarlett - Harley
Enright - Egan - Mackie
Corey - Bartel - Wojcinski
S. Johnson - Mooney - N. Ablett
Stokes - Hawkins - Djerrkura
Ottens - Ablett - Ling
Selwood - King - Prismall/Kelly - Rooke/Hunt/D. Johnson

If Blake is still at Geelong it will be between him and King for the second ruck spot.

Pris and Kelly are similar players IMO and will probably fight for one spot.

The hardest part is deciding the best back six. All have a case IMO. What a luxury to be able to choose the remaining bench spot from Hunt/Rooke/D. Johnson etc.

Doesn't Chappy deserve a game? :eek:

crewcut

9 Oct 2007, 15:19

Milburn - Scarlett - Harley
Enright - Egan - Mackie
Corey - Bartel - Wojcinski
S. Johnson - Mooney - Chapman
Stokes - Hawkins - N.Ablett
Ottens - Ablett - Ling

Int. Selwood - King - Kelly - Rooke

Emg. Prismall, Djerrkura, Hunt, Blake

BIGANT

9 Oct 2007, 15:20

Partridge

9 Oct 2007, 15:27

Barring injury, whats your projected best 22 next season?

Harley - Scarlett - Milburn
Enright - Egan - Mackie
Corey - Bartel - Wocjinski
S.Johnson - Mooney - Chapman
Stokes - N.Ablett - Kelly
Ottens - G.Ablett - Ling

I/C: Selwood - King - Rooke - Hunt

Only 1 change from the GF side (Egan in for Byrnes), but otherwise I can't find any improvements. This side was good enough to win 2 out of 3 finals by over 100 points. As talented as guys like Hawkins, Varcoe, Prismall are, they have to force their way in. Can't see it happening automatically.

Cheshire Cat

9 Oct 2007, 15:31

Milburn - Scarlett - Harley
Mackie - Egan - Wojcinski
Corey - Bartel - Enright
S.Johnson - Mooney - Chapman
Stokes - Hawkins - Selwood
Ottens - Ling - G.Ablett
King - Rooke - Kelly - Prismall

Ricardo

9 Oct 2007, 15:36

I can see Djerkurra pushing Byrnes out of the team, and i think NAblett will have trouble holding his spot ahead of Hawkins, who improved so much towards the end of the VFL season (not just goals wise).

rainmaker

9 Oct 2007, 15:42

cancat

9 Oct 2007, 15:46

Harley - Scarlett - Milburn
Enright - Egan - Mackie
Corey - Bartel - Wocjinski
S.Johnson - Mooney - Chapman
Stokes - N.Ablett - Kelly
Ottens - G.Ablett - Ling

I/C: Selwood - King - Rooke - Hunt

Only 1 change from the GF side (Egan in for Byrnes), but otherwise I can't find any improvements. This side was good enough to win 2 out of 3 finals by over 100 points. As talented as guys like Hawkins, Varcoe, Prismall are, they have to force their way in. Can't see it happening automatically.

Yep, hard to go past that team.

bingle

9 Oct 2007, 15:56

Can't really see too much change but there will no doubt be injuries which will shuffle things around a bit and give oppotunities to new draftees and hawkins, djerrkura, dj,

the key to the team staying on the park together as they did for most of this year is a solid pre-season hence the reason i was a little concerned hearing Egan will not start anything until christmas.

cat_fanatic_21

9 Oct 2007, 16:07

Doesn't Chappy deserve a game? :eek:

Yes, completely forgot about him!:o...Changed!

Tonycam*

9 Oct 2007, 16:12

dont judge junior ablett too early, will get some mongrel like his bro and could be sensational
three talls of ablett, mooney and hawkins
with chappie, stokes and johnson at their feet is awesome

best forwardline we have had since billy was playing
total agree , play Nathan & Hawkins. Tom should step up next year for sure.

cozdawg#09

9 Oct 2007, 16:44

FB Hunt Scarlett Harley

HB Wocjinski Egan Milburn

C Corey Bartel Selwood

HF Kelly Mooney Chapman

FF Stokes Hawkins S.Johnson

R Ottens G.Ablett Ling

I/C: - King, Rooke, Mackie, Prismall

maculosus

9 Oct 2007, 16:45

sarah.13

9 Oct 2007, 16:52

FB Hunt Scarlett Harley

HB Wocjinski Egan Milburn

C Corey Bartel Selwood

HF Kelly Mooney Chapman

FF Stokes Hawkins S.Johnson

R Ottens G.Ablett Ling

I/C: - King, Rooke, Mackie, Prismall
What about Enright doesn't he deserve a game? :)
It's hard to know who to leave out isn't it.;)

Partridge

9 Oct 2007, 17:48

Which ever way you shift them around it's going to be an even better squad next season with the young guys coming on in their development and others maturing a little more. I thought Hunt was good in the finals. He played with dash and trusted his kicking skills as he became more confident. He made a mistake or 2 kicking out but I thought he lifted for the finals. The disposal skills of the whole team were almost perfect in the GF.

I think by the Grand Final Hunt was playing the most consistent footy he has in a long time. Went hard at the ball, was superb in the air and used it very well. Perhaps now he's truly arrived.

Back to TonyCam's opinion, yeah I'd love to see Hawkins, Ablett (the Taller) and Mooney all in the same forward line. Once the first two get their fitness tiptop it's one hell of a headache for opposition sides to deal with. Never mind Johnson and Chapman either.

MrWolf

9 Oct 2007, 17:48

FB Hunt Scarlett Harley

HB Wocjinski Egan Milburn

C Corey Bartel Selwood

HF Kelly Mooney Chapman

FF Stokes Hawkins S.Johnson

R Ottens G.Ablett Ling

I/C: - King, Rooke, Mackie, Prismall

Hunt in starting back 6 ahead of Mackie? :thumbsd:
No way, i rate Mackie in the starting 18 easily, our newest "Ice Man"

BIGANT

9 Oct 2007, 18:03

I think by the Grand Final Hunt was playing the most consistent footy he has in a long time. Went hard at the ball, was superb in the air and used it very well. Perhaps now he's truly arrived.

Back to TonyCam's opinion, yeah I'd love to see Hawkins, Ablett (the Taller) and Mooney all in the same forward line. Once the first two get their fitness tiptop it's one hell of a headache for opposition sides to deal with. Never mind Johnson and Chapman either.
Also gone are the days of pigeon holing Chappy & SJ more so SJ this yr....not only is and will be dangerous around the forward 50 he is also invaluble in the midfeild rotations.

martyk

9 Oct 2007, 18:18

Hunt in starting back 6 ahead of Mackie? :thumbsd:
No way, i rate Mackie in the starting 18 easily, our newest "Ice Man"

The starting list depends on match ups.. Example. Are you gonna play Mackie on N.Brown, B.Johnson, B.Ebert?? He would get torn to shreds!! Hunt takes these players and does a very good job at it due to his strength and speed.. You can't have too many loose running defenders if the opposition forwards are strong.

martyk

9 Oct 2007, 18:24

I'm a little suprised Wojcinski is in most peoples starting 18. He did not perform all that good in the 2nd half of the season, a bit average towards the latter part including finals... While his speed is hugely valuable, he needs to get much more of the ball than what he gets currently... Perfect I/C player at present.

Prismall.. no way. We have enough good ball winners. He doesn't bring anything to the side that we don't already have in droves.

Cattery

9 Oct 2007, 18:38

The starting list depends on match ups.. Example. Are you gonna play Mackie on N.Brown, B.Johnson, B.Ebert?? He would get torn to shreds!! Hunt takes these players and does a very good job at it due to his strength and speed.. You can't have too many loose running defenders if the opposition forwards are strong.

What's your thoughts on him [ Hunt ] getting more time in the midfield, I've always been of the opinion that he could be devasting there delivering the ball into the forward line and slotting a few goals as well.

martyk

9 Oct 2007, 18:55

What's your thoughts on him [ Hunt ] getting more time in the midfield, I've always been of the opinion that he could be devasting there delivering the ball into the forward line and slotting a few goals as well.

I think he often takes a defensive post while Mackie / Wojcinski / Milburn run off their opponents. You can't have all your team running off their opponents. Unfortunately the players above are not great at key defensive roles, especially Mackie and Wojcinski. Hunt has great strength and speed, also lacking in the above players. He is more valuable stopping the dangerous forwards.

This is where Hunt doesn't get enough cred. He still seems to get as much of the ball as Wojcinski + uses it better. Why?? Hunt usually has a much more dangerous opponent while Wojcinski gets freedom to run around... Bottom line.. Wojcinski should get 20+ touches rather than 15+. Doesn't work hard enough.

Cattery

9 Oct 2007, 19:09

I think he often takes a defensive post while Mackie / Wojcinski / Milburn run off their opponents. You can't have all your team running off their opponents. Unfortunately the players above are not great at key defensive roles, especially Mackie and Wojcinski. Hunt has great strength and speed, also lacking in the above players. He is more valuable stopping the dangerous forwards.

This is where Hunt doesn't get enough cred. He still seems to get as much of the ball as Wojcinski + uses it better. Why?? Hunt usually has a much more dangerous opponent while Wojcinski gets freedom to run around... Bottom line.. Wojcinski should get 20+ touches rather than 15+. Doesn't work hard enough.

Yeah good player "when he's on song" though I'd still like to see him in an attacking role more often.
It comes down to having someone who can do the job in defence that he does though I guess, therefore releasing him to play midfield/forward, the only one who comes to mind is D Johnson and unfortunately I think he falls a bit short of the mark, lot of guts but lacks some polish IMO.

DanA

9 Oct 2007, 20:05

FB: Milburn Scarlett Enright
HB: Mackie Egan Harley
C: Corey Bartel Rooke
HF: Chapman Mooney S.Johnson
FF: Stokes Hawkins N.Ablett
R: Ottens Ablett Ling

I/C: Blake Kelly Selwood Hunt Wojak

Certainties:
1) Scarlett
2) Mooney
3) Bartell
4) Ablett Jnr
5) Ottens
6) Chapman
7) Egan
8) Harley
9) Milburn
10) Ling
11) Corey
12) Enright

Very likely:
13) S.Johnson
14) Mackie
15) Selwood
16) Stokes
17) Kelly
Good Chance:
18) Wojak
19) Rooke
20) Hunt
21) N.Ablett
22) Hawkins
23) Blake
24) King
25) Varcoe
Some Chance:
26) Prismall
27) Djerkurra
28) Gamble
Roughies:
29) Lonergan
30) Davenport
31) Draftees
32) Bedford
33) Hogan

The rabbi

9 Oct 2007, 20:09

Prismall.. no way. We have enough good ball winners. He doesn't bring anything to the side that we don't already have in droves.

This is the problem with this kid. He has very good skills by hand and foot but he is in the same mould as so many other players. I would like to hope that if anyone could come through then that player would have plenty of dash. I would like to see Davenport or the like help Jr out with the run and carry. I know that Monica takes a bit of the load but I think that far too much of the run and carry is left to Jr. W.C. shared it around with Cousins, Kerr and Judd.

Bryceson

9 Oct 2007, 20:48

B: Harley Scarlett Milburn
HB: Mackie Egan Wojcinski
C:Corey Bartel Enright
HF:S.Johnson Mooney Selwood
F:Stokes N.Ablett Chapman
R: Ottens G.Ablett Ling

I:King Prismall Rooke Kelly

E:Byrnes Hawkins Hunt

Only changes from the Grand Final side i reckon is Pris for Byrnes and Egan for Hunt.
I'm not a byrnes basher like most here, but I do rate Prismall better. Pris has a masive future and he will force his way in. Byrnes is the only similair player i can see who could loose their spot.
And Egan for Hunt is obvious.

That 22 should be pretty settled(apart from injury), but I think Hawkins, Varcoe, Byrnes, Hunt, and Djerkurra maybe will all get a run at some stage.

thegerman

9 Oct 2007, 20:55

Where is Gamble at, was touted as a senior player this yr or atleast given a crack at it until a severe ankle injury ruined his start of the season after a strong pre-season he'd had.
Who will he be fighting for a spot with and importantly is he a player that will be pushed for selection !?

Yep unfortunately the ankle injury stopped him in his tracks. I believe both he and Davenport should get a game or two next season. Gamble moreso as he should take Byrnes spot.

He is a ball magnet when going, something Varcoe isn't just yet. I'd hope for a big pre-season out of the lad and a look in early.

This is why Tenace/Byrnes are probably being shopped around, Davenport and Gamble have good pace and have better disposal.

CattersforPremiers

9 Oct 2007, 21:06

B Harley - Scarlett - Enright
HB Mackie - Egan - Milburn
C Enright - SUPERSTAR (Bartel) - Wojcinski
HF S.Johnson - Mooney - G.Ablett
F Stokes - N.Ablett - Chapman
R Ottens - Ling - Corey
Int: Selwood - Blake - Rooke - Kelly

Emer: Prismall - Hawkins - Varcoe

Tommahawk wont be quite ready for a full 22

martyk

9 Oct 2007, 21:20

Only changes from the Grand Final side i reckon is Pris for Byrnes and Egan for Hunt.
I'm not a byrnes basher like most here, but I do rate Prismall better. Pris has a masive future and he will force his way in. Byrnes is the only similair player i can see who could loose their spot.
And Egan for Hunt is obvious.

Byrnes for Prismall, Egan for Hunt??? You have to understand that the team needs balance... Pfft..

Even though all of us like Prismall more than Byrnes, they are totally different players with different roles. Byrnes is a small forward, Prismall a midfielder. You can't just chop and change without considering team balance.
Similar with Egan for Hunt.. You have Harley, Scarlett, Egan as your only key defenders.. who takes the fast running players?? They try Harley on them but he gets beaten consistantly one on one. I'd be suprised if either Hunt or D.Johnson was not in the side at any one time.

madcat001

9 Oct 2007, 21:42

tin can sam

9 Oct 2007, 22:03

we have two enrights?

Thank you, that was doing my head in, I kept looking at the team and wondering who had come in for Hunt, turns out it was Enright version 2.

Tonycam*

9 Oct 2007, 22:05

Thank you, that was doing my head in, I kept looking at the team and wondering who had come in for Hunt, turns out it was Enright version 2.
so is that like having Max & his twin brother Jarrod Rooke then

cozdawg#09

10 Oct 2007, 00:23

What about Enright doesn't he deserve a game? :)
It's hard to know who to leave out isn't it.;)

yeeehhhh i duno, iv always had a love/hate thing with enright... i just want to see pris in the 1s really haha

cozdawg#09

10 Oct 2007, 00:26

Hunt in starting back 6 ahead of Mackie? :thumbsd:
No way, i rate Mackie in the starting 18 easily, our newest "Ice Man"

yehh after hunt carved up ebert in the gf i think he's proven his spot, and i dont think mackie is accountable enough really, but that's how he plays and u need guys like that in the team too, to get into space and what not

dtrainium

10 Oct 2007, 10:14

B: Darren Milburn - Matthew Scarlett - Corey Enright
HB: Andrew Mackie - Matthew Egan - Tom Harley
C: Joel Corey - Jimmy Bartel - David Wojcinski
HF: Paul Chapman - Nathan Ablett - Cameron Ling
F: Steve Johnson - Cameron Mooney - Travis Varcoe
Foll: Brad Ottens - Joel Selwood - Gary Ablett
Int: Mark Blake - Josh Hunt - James Kelly - Matthew Stokes
Emg: Max Rooke - Tom Hawkins - Jason Davenport

I'd like to see Trav in the side right from the start of the season, I think he had a pretty good development year this year, and with another preseason under him I think he will improve a mile. Also, I really hope we persist with Davenport, he will be a superstar one day. I'd also give Balke the strating second ruckman role, he played well this year and only had a few poor games which cost him his spot in the Grand Final, he wasn't dropped because King was playing well (King played well most of the year in the twos), he was dropped because he was playing like shit. Is it the everyone seems to think the 28 year old injury prone King is going to improve and be in the starting 22, and that 22 year old Blake is going to get worse? I don't get it. I think there will be improvement coming next year, though it's hard to find where from and at who's expense. Hopefully it comes from Blake, Nathan, Joel and Travis.

Partridge

10 Oct 2007, 10:37

I'd like to see Trav in the side right from the start of the season, I think he had a pretty good development year this year, and with another preseason under him I think he will improve a mile. Also, I really hope we persist with Davenport, he will be a superstar one day.
I'd also give Balke the strating second ruckman role, he played well this year and only had a few poor games which cost him his spot in the Grand Final, he wasn't dropped because King was playing well (King played well most of the year in the twos), he was dropped because he was playing like shit. Is it the everyone seems to think the 28 year old injury prone King is going to improve and be in the starting 22, and that 22 year old Blake is going to get worse? I don't get it. I think there will be improvement coming next year, though it's hard to find where from and at who's expense. Hopefully it comes from Blake, Nathan, Joel and Travis.

Yeah but the team that did the job on Grand Final day deserves first crack at keeping their positions next year. King might be 28, but he was brought in under extreme pressure to perform and he was brilliant. You can't just dump him without any reason, as he showed he is still a better ruckman than Blake. I love Blake and I'm very confident he'll improve further next year, but the fact is he and King have to fight for that spot. As it should be.

You have to have competition. Not everyone is going to get a game. It's actually a brilliant position for the club to be in.

Partridge

10 Oct 2007, 10:42

Similar with Egan for Hunt.. You have Harley, Scarlett, Egan as your only key defenders.. who takes the fast running players?? They try Harley on them but he gets beaten consistantly one on one. I'd be suprised if either Hunt or D.Johnson was not in the side at any one time.

When was the last time Harley got beaten? His second half of the season (bearing in mind he didn't come back until round 10) was absolutely brilliant.

catempire

10 Oct 2007, 11:08

When was the last time Harley got beaten? His second half of the season (bearing in mind he didn't come back until round 10) was absolutely brilliant.

Spot on Partridge.

thejester

10 Oct 2007, 11:23

When was the last time Harley got beaten? His second half of the season (bearing in mind he didn't come back until round 10) was absolutely brilliant.
While I agree with the general thrust of your comments, he got beaten by Brad Johnson in the second Dogs game.

catempire

10 Oct 2007, 11:51

While I agree with the general thrust of your comments, he got beaten by Brad Johnson in the second Dogs game.

If anything, the fact that this is the only example of note, highlights what a super season Harley had playing on a combination of tall and small players.

thehoff

10 Oct 2007, 13:17

Harley – Scarlett – Hunt BACKS
Rooke – Egan – Milburn HALF BACKS
Wocjinski – Bartell – Enright CENTRES
S.Johnson – Mooney – Chapman HALF FORWARDS
Stokes – N.Ablett – Ling FORWARDS
Ottens – Ablett – Corey FOLL

Hawkins – Blake – Mackie – Selwood I/C
Varcoe – Prismall – Kelly Emergency

Nowhere near selection – Byrnes.

Blake or King, no sure, depends who stands up pre-season and i know i'll cop it for this but i just could not squeeze Mackie on the ground or kelly in the team.

What a nice problem we may have 9pending injuries).

Rik E Boy

10 Oct 2007, 13:27

dont judge junior ablett too early, will get some mongrel like his bro and could be sensational
three talls of ablett, mooney and hawkins
with chappie, stokes and johnson at their feet is awesome

best forwardline we have had since billy was playing

Remember when Paul Brown bobbed up with about 40 goals I think it was and even Robert Scott bagged his fair share as well. Too bad we didn't have a defence that year! (1992?)

regards,

REB

tin can sam

10 Oct 2007, 16:13

Why the **** does Kelly get left out? He was our best midfielder in the GF, and one of our best players for the finals.

FWIW, only changes

Out: King, Byrnes
In: Egan, Blake.

crosby123

10 Oct 2007, 16:25

FB: Harley – Scarlett – Hunt
HB: Enright – Egan – Milburn
C: Mackie – Bartel – Corey
HF: S.Johnson – Mooney – Kelly
FF: Stokes – N.Ablett – Chapman
R: Ottens – Ablett – Ling
I/C: Hawkins – Blake – Rooke – Selwood
Em: Gamble – Tenace – Wojcinski

Others close to selection: King, Prismall, Varcoe, Davenport, Byrnes (sorry, thehoff)

Roughie: Scott Thompson (who I really, really hope we draft) could slot into the backline as a tall if we suffered injuries. Hinges on him being drafted though, as I said.

Woja misses out on the basis of his crap 2nd half of this year, Gamble straight in if any forward is injured, can play in the midfield too. Brings something different to the side, unlike Prismall. I want Tenace to be given another run early next season, I still think he shows enough to be a player eventually. Was drafted one year after Mackie, and when did Mackie finally become a player? This year. So, 2008 could be the year of Tenace. Here's hoping, anyway.

Sticks_Of_Fury

10 Oct 2007, 17:28

Roughie: Scott Thompson (who I really, really hope we draft) could slot into the backline as a tall if we suffered injuries. Hinges on him being drafted though, as I said.

Woja misses out on the basis of his crap 2nd half of this year, Gamble straight in if any forward is injured, can play in the midfield too. Brings something different to the side, unlike Prismall. I want Tenace to be given another run early next season, I still think he shows enough to be a player eventually. Was drafted one year after Mackie, and when did Mackie finally become a player? This year. So, 2008 could be the year of Tenace. Here's hoping, anyway.

Great post i agree with everything other than woja i think even if he only gets 15 touches a game 2 or 3 of those are going to be runs down the ground i would hate to see that leave the team its great to watch and i think it adds so much to the team other than what the outcome of his disposal is. Gamble is the interesting one he has the x factor even more than the much rated Davenport i hope next year is the one for him. Tenace i agree give him another chance if he improves his kicking which i think he has this year (but still a little to go) then he could add a lot to our 22.