View Full Version : Tim Boyle: Collingwood offer pick 14!
franklinstein23
9 Oct 2007, 16:07
Collingwood have offered hawthorn pick 14 for tim boyle...i say no deal
philhawk
9 Oct 2007, 16:07
Are you joking? :eek:
HODGEYROAD
9 Oct 2007, 16:09
Collingwood have offered hawthorn pick 14 for tim boyle...i say no deal
Source??
franklinstein23
9 Oct 2007, 16:09
this is what ive heard (SEN), it has to be BS, and if hawthorn are considering it, im pissed off!
philhawk
9 Oct 2007, 16:10
Don't all jump on me, but i'd seriously consider it ...
HODGEYROAD
9 Oct 2007, 16:11
this is what ive heard (SEN), it has to be BS, and if hawthorn are considering it, im pissed off!
WE will onl accept if we think we can steal someone at 14 in the draft we think should go top 10..
Don't all jump on me, but i'd seriously consider it ...
Agreed ;)
I would consider it, two picks in the first round. I dont think Boyles trade stocks will get any higher, and who knows how he will cope with the return of Willow, with Thorp pushing for a position and a highly rated Morton.
HODGEYROAD
9 Oct 2007, 16:13
Don't all jump on me, but i'd seriously consider it ...
I would to, Depending on the state of the boilers body... Which the insiders know better than me.
philhawk
9 Oct 2007, 16:14
Agreed ;)
I would consider it, two picks in the first round. I dont think Boyles trade stocks will get any higher, and who knows how he will cope with the return of Willow, with Thorp pushing for a position and a highly rated Morton.
That's my thinking as well.
Remember - Birchall went Pick 14 in a weak draft.
If (and it's a big IF) we can pick another similar sort of midfielder in a similarly weak draft, i'd be pretty happy.
Obviously i'd be disappointed to see Boyle go, but at the end of the day, is he going to find a niche in our forward line with Willo, Roughie, Buddy and Thorp there?
franklinstein23
9 Oct 2007, 16:15
even though they've offered pick 14, i still reckon boyle is a valuable asset to our team. i havent heard much about morton, can anybody fill me in, and when is he likely to play...has he played well at box hill? whats the go with this kid
chaddles
9 Oct 2007, 16:17
Personally, I would tell them to stick it up there poo pipe.
It sounds more appealing than it is. Ppl get excited around trade time, and like the prospect of acquiring low draft picks!
But hypothetically;
Pick 12 + Pick 14 for David Mundy/ Johstone (Freemantle) + their second round pick?
Something like that?
even though they've offered pick 14, i still reckon boyle is a valuable asset to our team. i havent heard much about morton, can anybody fill me in, and when is he likely to play...has he played well at box hill? whats the go with this kid
Well I didnt hear much about the kid but he did get injured at Box Hill. Pelchen said he is ahead of Dowler and WILL debut next season.
Crow Chick
9 Oct 2007, 16:22
From a neutral supporter point of you I am seriously surprised Collingwood offered Pick 14!! You guys must really rate him. I would have thought 2nd rounder.
CyberKev
9 Oct 2007, 16:23
Pick 14?!
SOLD!
soupofficial
9 Oct 2007, 16:25
jesus, 14?
shop him around to other clubs for the next 24 hours, and if nobody trumps it - sold!!!
14 is unbelievable - after a lean trot in the first part of the decade, the last three 14's have been monfries, birchall, and sellar.
BK Eaglesfan
9 Oct 2007, 16:26
Given that the other Boyle thread has some saying 1st round, and others saying first hafl of the 2nd round is more realistic, for those that say 14 is too low....is that blind hatred of Collingwood or an accurate assessment of Boyle's worth?
I'm actually suprised they want Boyle to be honest (regardless of offer), with Cloke, Rusling, Reid and Brown all in the side or coming through.
Don't all jump on me, but i'd seriously consider it ...
Spot on Philhawk. I think it is worth considering. Boyle hasn't been that good in the second half of the season, and given our forward strength and the young guns coming through, it would be a great opporunity to secure some more top quality players, perhaps to shore up our defence.
Given that the other Boyle thread has some saying 1st round, and others saying first hafl of the 2nd round is more realistic, for those that say 14 is too low....is that blind hatred of Collingwood or an accurate assessment of Boyle's worth?
I'm actually suprised they want Boyle to be honest (regardless of offer), with Cloke, Rusling, Reid and Brown all in the side or coming through.
Agree BKE, 14 is a very good offer.
dalethomas13
9 Oct 2007, 16:27
I've been listening to SEN and Collingwood hasn't even been mentioned in any potential trade deals. This would be way off the mark- we have an abundance of KP forwards for now and the future.
Pick 14 for Wood would be a little more closer to the mark. A young ruckman is our number one priority and i don't think Boyle fits that need.
Seriously doubt that Collingwood would offer their first round draft pick before the Judd deal has been signed.
The pies don't have many carrots to offer WCE if the Eagles/ Blues negotiations start getting feisty, and to get rid of their first round, which would be a mandatory part of any Judd package, would very much surprise.
Given that the other Boyle thread has some saying 1st round, and others saying first hafl of the 2nd round is more realistic, for those that say 14 is too low....is that blind hatred of Collingwood or an accurate assessment of Boyle's worth?
I'm actually suprised they want Boyle to be honest (regardless of offer), with Cloke, Rusling, Reid and Brown all in the side or coming through.
Throw in Dawes. But maybe they are considering a future of Reid or Brown in defence?
Don't all jump on me, but i'd seriously consider it ...
Collingwood would value him more than us. Good position to be in. What is he worth to us tho?
They will make the trade, if other clubs value him that much, he is as good as gone.
CAPTAINCRAWF
9 Oct 2007, 16:28
From a neutral supporter point of you I am seriously surprised Collingwood offered Pick 14!! You guyas must really rate him
Thought he was the teams barometer untill he done his hammy. If Buddy or Roughie are struggling Boyle would quite often chip in for 3 or 4 goals.
Dont want to trade him. Cant have enough talls.
Say no to pick 14 :thumbsd:
Given that the other Boyle thread has some saying 1st round, and others saying first hafl of the 2nd round is more realistic, for those that say 14 is too low....is that blind hatred of Collingwood or an accurate assessment of Boyle's worth?
I'm actually suprised they want Boyle to be honest (regardless of offer), with Cloke, Rusling, Reid and Brown all in the side or coming through.
Have to agree here.
Definitely seems strange for Collingwood to be interested in him.
Nightwolf
9 Oct 2007, 16:29
Id do it, but its garbage. I havent heard anything from SEN relating this rumour..
Seriously doubt that Collingwood would offer their first round draft pick before the Judd deal has been signed.
The pies don't have many carrots to offer WCE if the Eagles/ Blues negotiations start getting feisty, and to get rid of their first round, which would be a mandatory part of any Judd package, would very much surprise.
Boyle could go to WC.
Boyle could go to WC.
Can't be on-traded I believe.
BK Eaglesfan
9 Oct 2007, 16:37
Given Collingwood are holding out some hope of being able to trump Carlton for Judd, I doubt they would commit to giving away their highest pick too.
Of course that didn't stop me posting the rumour in the Judd board, just to see who gets wound up about it most. :D
Hawkers Hero
9 Oct 2007, 16:40
Im with you Phil - Pick 14 is about right for Boyle. As much as I love kettle he is keeping guys like Dowler and Thorp out of the team.
Also we could use the extra pick to trade for something we need. Pick 12 & 14 could go a long way towards getting one of our requirements
4#Didak#4
9 Oct 2007, 16:40
Why on earth would we want Boyle? Good player & all but the opposite to what we need. We need a ruckman & mids not another 3rd tall forward.
dalethomas13
9 Oct 2007, 16:44
Boyle could go to WC.
That could be a possibility if we offer WCE a deal for Judd (if talks stall with the Blues) but it would be extremely doubtful that we would offer pick 14 for Boyle. He is a good player but isn't what we need or want and we probably would be overpaying the odds by offering our first pick.
We need Wood moreso than anything else.
Has anyone else genuinely heard this on SEN yet? And lets be honest SEN is not the greatest source of information as it was said Collingwood threw out pick 14 for Wood yesterday?
HAWKER44
9 Oct 2007, 16:48
Not true
I have been listening to SEN all day and no mention of it.
Thought he was the teams barometer untill he done his hammy. If Buddy or Roughie are struggling Boyle would quite often chip in for 3 or 4 goals.
Dont want to trade him. Cant have enough talls.
Say no to pick 14 :thumbsd:
Agree . How short peoples memories are. You don't get good offers if your a Dud.
Why would Collingwood want Boyle, we have plenty of key forwards plus he isn't worth pick 14.
Im with you Phil - Pick 14 is about right for Boyle. As much as I love kettle he is keeping guys like Dowler and Thorp out of the team.
Also we could use the extra pick to trade for something we need. Pick 12 & 14 could go a long way towards getting one of our requirements
that would be relevant if he was an ageing player , but seen as though he isnt ,it irrelevant
A young fellow that just started to show some promise , compared to 2 young fellows who may have some promise.
Has anyone else genuinely heard this on SEN yet? And lets be honest SEN is not the greatest source of information as it was said Collingwood threw out pick 14 for Wood yesterday?
havent heard boyle or collingwood mentioned all day and i highly doubt theyd be after another key forward.. though i would consider a trade for a pick somewhere between 14-22
B-HAWK 26
9 Oct 2007, 17:16
Why would he say he heard it on the radio if he didnt... surely hes not that dumb
Sep 2007. And all the fools take the bait ;)
dipper86
9 Oct 2007, 17:19
Sep 2007. And all the fools take the bait ;)
Tell me about it. :thumbsd: when will you guys ever learn. :)
dipper86
9 Oct 2007, 17:20
Phill ban the twit for making you look a fool. :p
Hawthorn
Hawthorn has refused to comment on whether any of its players, namely Tim Boyle, have figured in discussions with other clubs on day two of trade week.
On Monday, general manager player personnel and strategy Chris Pelchen said the club "certainly won't be trading them at this stage", but Boyle's name continues to circulate as a potential mover regardless.
"I'd prefer not to comment [on Boyle] at this point in time. I'd prefer not to comment on all of them, in fact," general manager football operations Mark Evans told afl.com.au on Tuesday.
"The problem we have is, 95 per cent of things that get mentioned never come to fruition, so there's no point talking about them until there is anything decent on the table.
"We'll just be happy to get through the week and see where we go. I'm not really keen to give a comment on it at all."
Source AFL.com.au
So pretty much they arent catergorically denying Boyle being up for trade, I am sure he must be getting shopped around.
So pretty much they arent catergorically denying Boyle being up for trade, I am sure he must be getting shopped around.
Yes, he will be getting floated around...but not for pick 14, and not for a team loaded with talls. :rolleyes:
ONTHEPROWL
9 Oct 2007, 17:27
this wont happen guys!
Kapil Hawk
9 Oct 2007, 17:27
Hawthorn
"We'll just be happy to get through the week and see where we go. I'm not really keen to give a comment on it at all."
Source AFL.com.au
This is what trade week is about. Let's be honest if something is going to happen for us it aint going to occur until Friday unless we can pull another swifty over north
Southern Urchins
9 Oct 2007, 17:35
I want Hawthorn to walk out of trade week with a top 20 pick, Leigh Brown and Morton of West Coast.
If that means Boyle and our picks 29 + 45 are gone, I'd cop that.
Thorp covers Boyle.
Williams covers Dixon.
I'd like to see Mighty Mouse (disposal is still average) and Garry Moss used as our little guys in the forward line. If sacrificing Boyle and getting Brown means Rough stays forward, it's handy indeed. I really think Dawson is going to step up in 2008. Brown can play on the Gorillas, freeing Dawson and Birch to run!
A bit of confidence and Dowler will be good too. I remember seeing him kick 7 at Frankston. The kid just needs a few people to pump his tyres up and he'll be fine.
Like Boyle, but we can move forward IF we must. 50/50, but that pick is no good unless we have a trade in mind to use it on.
thatswhatimtalkinabout
9 Oct 2007, 17:38
that would be relevant if he was an ageing player , but seen as though he isnt ,it irrelevant
A young fellow that just started to show some promise , compared to 2 young fellows who may have some promise.
Post of the day! Boyle isn't holding anyone out of the team - he has earned his spot. It's up to the other two blokes to string a few good games together to get a ticket to the big show. Just because you are selected low in the draft gives you no right to step straight into the team without paying your dues.
hawka_fan
9 Oct 2007, 17:42
I want Hawthorn to walk out of trade week with a top 20 pick, Leigh Brown and Morton of West Coast.
If that means Boyle and our picks 29 + 45 are gone, I'd cop that.
Thorp covers Boyle.
Williams covers Dixon.
I'd like to see Mighty Mouse (disposal is still average) and Garry Moss used as our little guys in the forward line. If sacrificing Boyle and getting Brown means Rough stays forward, it's handy indeed. I really think Dawson is going to step up in 2008. Brown can play on the Gorillas, freeing Dawson and Birch to run!
A bit of confidence and Dowler will be good too. I remember seeing him kick 7 at Frankston. The kid just needs a few people to pump his tyres up and he'll be fine.
Like Boyle, but we can move forward IF we must. 50/50, but that pick is no good unless we have a trade in mind to use it on.
good post, totally agree
Not true
I have been listening to SEN all day and no mention of it.
Same
brockbruiser
9 Oct 2007, 17:52
not gonna happen, we don't need forwards, with rusling rocca, reid , dawes we have too many if anything and he is not worth a pick 14 anyhow!!!! worth a 2nd round pick at most!
Dixie Flatline
9 Oct 2007, 17:57
I want Hawthorn to walk out of trade week with a top 20 pick, Leigh Brown and Morton of West Coast.
If that means Boyle and our picks 29 + 45 are gone, I'd cop that.
Thorp covers Boyle.
Williams covers Dixon.
I'd like to see Mighty Mouse (disposal is still average) and Garry Moss used as our little guys in the forward line. If sacrificing Boyle and getting Brown means Rough stays forward, it's handy indeed. I really think Dawson is going to step up in 2008. Brown can play on the Gorillas, freeing Dawson and Birch to run!
A bit of confidence and Dowler will be good too. I remember seeing him kick 7 at Frankston. The kid just needs a few people to pump his tyres up and he'll be fine.
Like Boyle, but we can move forward IF we must. 50/50, but that pick is no good unless we have a trade in mind to use it on.
You lost me at Leigh Brown.
He's a dud. I'd keep Boyle and tell North to keep Brown.
Marklar_33
9 Oct 2007, 17:59
Obviously i'd be disappointed to see Boyle go, but at the end of the day, is he going to find a niche in our forward line with Willo, Roughie, Buddy and Thorp there?
Well Im thinking along very similar lines from our side as well... I think Boyle is a fantastic player, but I prefer we go after Wood...
Mitchell Madness
9 Oct 2007, 18:03
pick 14 in any draft i would say deal! This would then also allow the club to search other team lists for a solid KPD in which we would then have the oppotunity to recruit (the proposition of pick 14 would make any club drool)
sammy555
9 Oct 2007, 18:06
I want Hawthorn to walk out of trade week with 2 top 25 picks and Morton of West Coast. NOT LEIGH BROWN
Brown is a dud
Pick 14?!
SOLD!
i'd take it.
This thread is stupid! Collingwood would not have offered anything at this point in time!
Brown is physically challenged on grass. Even Roo supporters think he's a spud. DUD.
yeahmate
9 Oct 2007, 18:20
Tim Boyle himself is a lesson in why this would not be a good trade. Why would you want to exchange a guy who has had some early freak injuries, taken a few years to develop, broken into a strong forward line thru his own good form and proven to be a goal kicker capable of putting in some match winning performances for a speculative pick 14 in a draft that is touted as being weak? IMO the hawks are now at a stage where we have the core group of players who can take us forward, we don't really need more draft picks. I would only consider trading for a proven player that would walk into our starting line up and make it immediately stronger, not for another young kid who may be 4-5 years away from ever even equalling the output of what Tim Boyle has given us to date.
hawks_legends
9 Oct 2007, 18:30
No way!! I dont think I want him to go!..we need him....
No way!! I dont think I want him to go!..we need him....
Not really.... Both Dowler and Thorp could take his spot.
GNCLongJack
9 Oct 2007, 18:52
If Boyle goes against his wishes, Pelchen can find a taxidermist for all I care. And crap player management consistent with that would definitely see me downgrade my membership to just basic adult 11gamer or whatever the lowest adult membership to ensure my scarf is, I don't need anybody, player or support person to get too big-headed.:thumbsd: X 20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugshawks
9 Oct 2007, 18:55
NO!
Theres no bloody point in topping up on draft picks when we have a ready made tall in Boyle already on the scene. We've put so much work into him, and after one good season we're considering trading him?
I'll be absolutely gutted if he's sold to Collingwood of all clubs for a mere pick 14. :mad:
soupofficial
9 Oct 2007, 18:57
If Boyle goes against his wishes, Pelchen can find a taxidermist for all I care. And crap player management consistent with that would definitely see me downgrade my membership to just basic adult 11gamer or whatever the lowest adult membership to ensure my scarf is, I don't need anybody, player or support person to get too big-headed.:thumbsd: X 20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this type of emotive comment comes out every year during trade week, and most years on draft day.
for what it's worth, about this time last year boyle was very much open to switching to another club.
This thread is stupid! Collingwood would not have offered anything at this point in time!
How do you know that?
premiers06
9 Oct 2007, 19:16
collingwood will go for wood we need ruckman, it cost us against geelong!
Miss_Hawk_Fan
9 Oct 2007, 19:17
Not really.... Both Dowler and Thorp could take his spot.
Id trade boyle for pick 14 from the pies. I like the guy, but i think he will be injurie riddelled for the remainder of the season..... and the deal would could tuen out like the thompson / Hay. It would turn out to be a great retun for all the hawks investment in him.....
vinnie_vegas69
9 Oct 2007, 19:19
First, I came into this thread wondering how anyone would believe that Collingwood would be trading for a key forward of any description given our impressive young stocks in that area.
Second, I found myself wondering why we would be giving up a 1st round pick for a player that is totally surplus to our needs when we could either keep it and draft or trade it for someone that we DO need.
But la pièce de résistance was the fact that when I opened the thread, there were Hawthorn supporters saying that they wouldn't take it, or that they would just "think about it".
You should be doing naked cartwheels if you get this offer - No one will offer more than that.
However, you will not get that offer, for reasons one and two detailed above.
Back Pocket Rocket
9 Oct 2007, 19:20
i would too but I wouldn't have Tim Boyle, I would put in Matt Little
Is anyone else pissing themselves:D
This won't happen. If by some chance it does, you guys should grab pick 14 with both hands, and run like hell.
I actually rate Boyle highly, but we just don't need him. We have glaring weaknesses elsewhere, but our forwardline functions quite well as it is. I expect us to offload pick 14 somewhere, but I would be furious if they use it on Boyle.
The Royal Sampler
9 Oct 2007, 19:31
But la pièce de résistance was the fact that when I opened the thread, there were Hawthorn supporters saying that they wouldn't take it, or that they would just "think about it".
You should be doing naked cartwheels if you get this offer - No one will offer more than that.
However, you will not get that offer, for reasons one and two detailed above.
Yep, that absolutely killed me too. Still shaking my head in disbelief, actually. :D
soupofficial
9 Oct 2007, 19:36
First, I came into this thread wondering how anyone would believe that Collingwood would be trading for a key forward of any description given our impressive young stocks in that area.
Second, I found myself wondering why we would be giving up a 1st round pick for a player that is totally surplus to our needs when we could either keep it and draft or trade it for someone that we DO need.
But la pièce de résistance was the fact that when I opened the thread, there were Hawthorn supporters saying that they wouldn't take it, or that they would just "think about it".
You should be doing naked cartwheels if you get this offer - No one will offer more than that.
However, you will not get that offer, for reasons one and two detailed above.
it seems too good to be true to me also - i peg boyle at about pick 20, and i wouldn't have thought collingwood to be one of the most likely suitors. but sometimes surprises just pop up - the pick 14 for boyle thing is quite probably just rumour, but i'd be stoked if it were true and you had to revisit these comments :)
croady_fan24
9 Oct 2007, 19:42
NO DEAL!!!! Boyle will stay!
bluespooner
9 Oct 2007, 19:43
I want Hawthorn to walk out of trade week with a top 20 pick, Leigh Brown and Morton of West Coast.
If that means Boyle and our picks 29 + 45 are gone, I'd cop that.
Thorp covers Boyle.
Williams covers Dixon.
I'd like to see Mighty Mouse (disposal is still average) and Garry Moss used as our little guys in the forward line. If sacrificing Boyle and getting Brown means Rough stays forward, it's handy indeed. I really think Dawson is going to step up in 2008. Brown can play on the Gorillas, freeing Dawson and Birch to run!
A bit of confidence and Dowler will be good too. I remember seeing him kick 7 at Frankston. The kid just needs a few people to pump his tyres up and he'll be fine.
Like Boyle, but we can move forward IF we must. 50/50, but that pick is no good unless we have a trade in mind to use it on.
You've got absolutely no idea about what is required to make a football club have you?
Fortunately, Pelchen does and I trust his judgement to get the best outcome for the club.
Hawk0373
9 Oct 2007, 19:53
pick 14 sounds good on paper but it guarantees us nothing. Boyle guarantees a headache for opposition coaches with our fwd setup.
Collingwood would have Cloke, Rusling, Rocca & Boyle as fwd options with Medhurst, Thomas, Didak and Davis as rotating crumbers - do we really want to see this?
On one hand we need to look after our own interests but at the same time be wary of boosting a direct finals opponent's chances.
They'd be taking a step fwd, we wouldn't.
mulhollanddrive
9 Oct 2007, 21:29
I'd like to see who said it on SEN.... Probably a caller/sms'er.
They are considering pick 14 for Wood, not Boyle.
Hawkie_McHawkHawk
9 Oct 2007, 22:34
14 is tempting but nothings guaranteed.
I'd step away from this trade, Boyle is a player who the club have had faith in and has delivered this year.
Stick with Boyle, permitting he isn't as injury prone as what has been hinted.
Coathanger
10 Oct 2007, 09:43
It's just another hoax..
Don't give these clowns the satisfaction of answering these threads.:mad:
Collingwood have offered hawthorn pick 14 for tim boyle...i say no deal
Without reading through this whole thread I say it's BS, Collingwood have:
Rocca
Cloke
Reid
Rusling
Dawes
They're in a similar position to us in regards to KP Forwards, unlikely they'd want Boyle.
hawks a plenty
10 Oct 2007, 14:07
no way is collingwood trading pick 14 for boyle no way.
if it is a remote chance lets jump on it and trade pick 14 and our 2nd round pick to carlton for thorton and pick 20 in draft. dont no if carlton would go for that but hey it's an idea.
or hold onto pick 14 for another player
or 12 and 14!! 12-rance/riolli 14-collier.
if CP reads that someone wants leigh brown at our footy club he would fall off his chair NO WAY!!!