Turkey XI

[Brett Li]

Let's put your selection credentials on the line. Please pick the worst XI you have seen play from your home country from any era. Us poms have a huge advantage, with far more "talent" to pick from. Let's see how badly you can do.........

i'll kick off:
England 1985-present:

1. Mark Lathwell
2. Tim Curtis
3. Alan Wells
4. Aftab Habib
5. James Whitaker
6.Chris Cowdrey
7. Warren Hegg
8. Mike Watkinson
9. Shaun Udal
10. Tim Munton
11. Mike Smith

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by Brett Li
Let's put your selection credentials on the line. Please pick the worst XI you have seen play from your home country from any era. Us poms have a huge advantage, with far more "talent" to pick from. Let's see how badly you can do.........

i'll kick off:
England 1985-present:

1. Mark Lathwell
2. Tim Curtis
3. Alan Wells
4. Aftab Habib
5. James Whitaker
6.Chris Cowdrey
7. Warren Hegg
8. Mike Watkinson
9. Shaun Udal
10. Tim Munton
11. Mike Smith

Where are Jason Gallian and 'Lion King'?

[Brett Li]

I think maybe Ian Greig may have a chance of squeeking in somewhere. I'm struggling a bit for really bad keepers.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by NYPomme
Where are Jason Gallian and 'Lion King'?

What about Nick Cook, Peter Such, Mark Ramprakash and Robert Croft?? Croft was the master of the straight off-spinner!! :D:D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Brett Li
Let's put your selection credentials on the line. Please pick the worst XI you have seen play from your home country from any era. Us poms have a huge advantage, with far more "talent" to pick from. Let's see how badly you can do.........

i'll kick off:
England 1985-present:

1. Mark Lathwell
2. Tim Curtis
3. Alan Wells
4. Aftab Habib
5. James Whitaker
6.Chris Cowdrey
7. Warren Hegg
8. Mike Watkinson
9. Shaun Udal
10. Tim Munton
11. Mike Smith

Wayne Larkins must have been close to a run!

[Brett Li]

Originally posted by SeinDude


What about Nick Cook, Peter Such, Mark Ramprakash and Robert Croft?? Croft was the master of the straight off-spinner!! :D:D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

LOL:D

bit harsh on Nick Cook and Ramps

come on you aussies you must have had a few bad uns in amongst the legends?....

[Booze Hound]

For the England keepers don't forget that Richard Blakey played a couple of One Day Internationals. Looked like a rabbit about to be run over..... and was.

Min Patel and Ronnie Irani must feature. Ronnie Irani.... I ask you?

No Kiwi's submitting entries. Or is that just NZ teams 1980-1992 discounting Hadlee and Martin Crowe?

[GoEagles]

12th man: Phil Tuffnell (as a specialist fielder)

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Brett Li
come on you aussies you must have had a few bad uns in amongst the legends?....

Ok, here would be my "worst" Aussie side from 1985 onwards.

1. Robbie Kerr
2. Andrew Hilditch
3. Dirk Wellham
4. Greg Ritchie
5. Mike Veletta
6. Peter Sleep
7. Greg Dyer
8. Greg Campbell
9. Ray Bright
10. Scott Muller
11. David Gilbert
12th Man. Simon Davis



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Dipper]

Originally posted by SeinDude


and Robert Croft?? Croft was the master of the straight off-spinner!! :D:D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

Don't take the p1ss that was his stock delivery then the one that moved about 3 cm in was meant to have such shock value that the batsman was bound to give bat pad a chance-trouble is by this point bat pad was back on the mid wicket boundary with the rest of the close filders.:D

As for wicketkeepers Chris Read looked shocking to me- the look of terror on his face when he ducked that Chris Cairns 'beamer' only to find it was his slower delivery lolloping into his stumps will stay with me for ever.As for Blakey i think he actually kept wicket for us in India in a Test once to 'stiffen up the batting'-enough to say that he didn't succeed.

I would have Greg Thomas in there-he was so hyped up (worryingly like simon Jones now) as the great white hope-I still remember one of his open spells away to the Windies in 85/86 when Greenidge & Haynes went to town on him he had figures of something like 10-0-100-0 at one point & this was a test match-now i'm sure they couldn't have been quite that bad but that's what my memory is telling me.

Mark Illot is in with a shout in the bowling along with Richard Illingworth & Mark Benson was no great shakes.Matthew Maynard was cacking himself too much as well to score any runs.

As for Ronnie Irani crap Test player but they could do a lot worse than bung him in the 1 day side now-he's been on fire this season.

[Brett Li]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DIPPER
[B]

I would have Greg Thomas in there-he was so hyped up (worryingly like simon Jones now) as the great white hope-I still remember one of his open spells away to the Windies in 85/86 when Greenidge & Haynes went to town on him he had figures of something like 10-0-100-0 at one point & this was a test match-now i'm sure they couldn't have been quite that bad but that's what my memory is telling me.

I remember Greg taking 2 Pakistani wickets in the first over of a test match in 1987. The sheer delight on the welsh dragon's face having sent 2 through the top order, was replaced with abject disbelief as he saw himself "munged" to finish over the 100 mark for his 13 overs or so.

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Ok, here would be my "worst" Aussie side from 1985 onwards.

1. Robbie Kerr
2. Andrew Hilditch
3. Dirk Wellham
4. Greg Ritchie
5. Mike Veletta
6. Peter Sleep
7. Greg Dyer
8. Greg Campbell
9. Ray Bright
10. Scott Muller
11. David Gilbert
12th Man. Simon Davis



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

No place for Chris Matthews?

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by NYPomme
No place for Chris Matthews?

Ah yeah, what an absolute shocker he was!! He used to bowl that wide of the stumps that the batsman couldn't even get a sighter because it was to far away!! LOL!! :D:D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Jars458]

1 Geoff Marsh (c) (most boring cricketer in the world)
2 Wayne Phillips (the Victorian one - what a huge head)
3 Simon Katich (so overrated he needs to go to NSW to get the almost certain selection that this brings)
4 G Ritchie (Go mahatma)
5 M Valetta ( couldn't bat for nuts)
6 Shaun Young (was in England at the right time)
7 S O" Donnell ( most overrated cricketer of my generation)
8 Phil Emerty (what the?)
9 P McIntyre (legspinner with only one delievery)
10 P Wilson (an honest trier but test match bowler he is not)
11 C Matthews (say no more)

12th man - Scott Muller (for dressing room harmony)

[Booze Hound]

For Australia you must consider:

Murray Bennett: Bowled in the 1985 Oval Test wearing dark glasses. His guide dog would have done better.

Ritchie Robinson: Toured here in 1997 as back up keeper and batsman. Didn't think he was either.

Mike Whitney: Australia's answer to Tim 'Dog Food' Munton.

And Dipper. You really must be an Essex fan to put the case for Irani :)

[Player]

Originally posted by Booze Hound


No Kiwi's submitting entries. Or is that just NZ teams 1980-1992 discounting Hadlee and Martin Crowe?

Would that be the New Zealand team that was undefeated at home during the entire 80s?

I'll take the bait and come down to your level

Dr Justin Vaughan - Experimental test opener, no. 10 first class.
Blair Pocock - National embarrasment
Ken Rutherford (c) - Test captain, 60 tests, first drop, average 26.
Phil Horne - Superstar that just burnt too brightly.
Dion Murray - Just gets the nod over Blair Hartland
Lee Germon (vc) - Picked on his 'leadership qualities'
Murphy Sua - Couldn't even make the Tasmanian state side.
Chris Pringle - Showed up for 1 ODI and 1 test in a 7 year career
Michael Owens - Danny Morrison must have loved this clown
Mark Kennedy - Once bowled a 12 ball over, followed up with a 10
Mark Haslam - Please make the pain go away

You would be surprised just how easy it was to come up with playing eleven. These hacks wouldn't even make an Australian state side, and only two former test captains, beat that.

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by SeinDude
3. Dirk Wellham


Why Dirk?
He had potential! :D

[Brett Li]

don't stick up for him just cos he teaches at your school!

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Brett Li
don't stick up for him just cos he teaches at your school!

Stop talking to Chris! :D ;)

Yes, he is my english teacher! :D

Hope your reading sir! Im sticking up for you! Give me an A! :D

[Brett Li]

brown-noser

[clucas91]

Gotta love Dirk's orange socks Nick!
Remember those frog ones from assembly?

[clucas91]

Anyone for Greg Campbell?

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

On assembly?

I have the *cough* "priveldge" of seeing his fruity and colourful socks everyday in English! :p

[Unwritten_Law]

Can it be one dayers?

I nominate Divenuto for Australia. He is the most overrated hack in Australian cricket.

[Booze Hound]

New Zealand unbeten at home during the 80's?

Must have rained a lot!

The three most potent contributors to NZ success during that period were 'Paddles' (OK a great), Martin Crowe and 'Umpire' Fred Goodall.

For the Kiwi side you MUST consider:

Derek Stirling
Jeremy Coney
Martin Snedden
Jeff Crowe (one of them must have been sired by the milkman)
Trevor Franklin (nice guy though)
Dipak (Worcestershire 2's to NZ Test team) Patel

[London Dave]

Couple of hacks for possible inconclusion...

Oz wise...Glen Trimble got a mention? (a ODI player, but..)..Trevor Chappell, ...and plenty from the WSC era, but thats for another thread perhaps..

Kiwi wise..Gary Troup, left armer early 80's, Brendon Bracewell (John's brother) whose radar was worse than Chris Matthews...

Pom wise....where to begin....Ian Ward????, Ian Salisbury, Adam Hollioake, Derek Pringle......

[GOALden Hawk]

Matthew Nicholson anyone? Greg Campbell was a shocker. As for Shaun Young - surely the luckiest player in since WSC to wear the baggy green.

[clucas91]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Shaun Young - surely the luckiest player in since WSC to wear the baggy green.

Did he not get a hat-trick in the Commonwealth Games in 1998?

Anthony Stuart also got a hat-trick for Australia but has since disappeared.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by clucas91
Did he not get a hat-trick in the Commonwealth Games in 1998?

Anthony Stuart also got a hat-trick for Australia but has since disappeared.

clucas91,

It was Brad Young, the left-arm orthodox spinner from South Australia who got that hat-trick in the Commonwealth Games in 1998. :)

Shaun Young is the left-handed batsman and right arm medium pacer who plays for Tasmania.

Anthony Stuart got injured for memory, and never made it back.

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Player]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
New Zealand unbeten at home during the 80's?

Must have rained a lot!

The three most potent contributors to NZ success during that period were 'Paddles' (OK a great), Martin Crowe and 'Umpire' Fred Goodall.

For the Kiwi side you MUST consider:

Derek Stirling
Jeremy Coney
Martin Snedden
Jeff Crowe (one of them must have been sired by the milkman)
Trevor Franklin (nice guy though)
Dipak (Worcestershire 2's to NZ Test team) Patel


Derek Stirling. Why pick a one test wonder there is so many proven losers to pick from.

Jeremy Coney. No. In some parts of this world they stone people for heresy for saying things like that.

Martin Snedden. As a player he makes a great administrator, as an administrator he makes a great administrator

Jeff Crowe. Unfortunately he has (just) to much talent for my team.

Trever Franklin. Yes, but he did manage a test century, and still holds the New Zealand test record with John Wright for the most opening century partnerships.

Dipak 'Six-Pack' Patel. Yeah I did but WTF was he, a lame batsman or a hopeless spinner.

And actually Goodall was a quality umpire who got a bad rap from the Windies series in 1980 and bitter tourists looking for a scapegoat who couldn't explain how they were losing to New Zealand for the first time.

[Booze Hound]

C'mon

Coney - bowler of dull 'dobs' and a batsman lacking in style or personality like few others.

Jeff Crowe - 'talent'?

So shoot me!

[Player]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
C'mon

Coney - bowler of dull 'dobs' and a batsman lacking in style or personality like few others.




Translation:

With a patient and determined approach this tall lanky batsman, a regular contributor to the New Zealand middle order, was both surprisingly compact and nuggety in approach.

Naturally intelligent and mentally tough, this former Wisden Cricketer of the Year thrived in the competitive international environment.

Impossible to intimidate, Coney was a natural selection for captaincy of the New Zealand test team, a position he held until he announced his own retirement.

The well rounded Coney was both a brilliant fielder, especially at second slip, and demanding part-time 'line and length' bowler ideally suited to exploiting slow wickets with little bounce.

Originally posted by Booze Hound

Jeff Crowe - 'talent'?

[/B]

That is a deliberate misquote.

[Brett Li]

Has anyone seen Hermann Munster and Trevor Franklin in the same room?

[SeinDude]

What about Vaughn Brown?? He was a left-handed batsman and left-arm spinner who played around the mid 80's.

I agree that Blair Pocock & Ken Rutherford have to be in the side, and throw in Paul Wiseman and Richard DeGroen for good measure!!

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Darky]

Duds with more than a few matches to their names :

Aus - Colin Miller, struggled at shield level, how the hell did he become Test player of the year?
NZ - Ken Rutherford, Dipak Patel
WI - Daren Ganga, Patrick "Rambo" Patterson
Eng - Wayne Larkins. Once went to a fancy dress party dressed as a batsman...
Pak - Aaqib Javed. Jesus he was crap, how he took 7-37 in a ODI I will never know.
India - Agit Agarkar. All rounder, right? Can;'t bat or bowl. Makes sense.
Sri Lanka - Romesh Kaluwitharana. Slog merchant. Spastic.
RSA - Nantie Hayward. An inaccurate Brett Lee. Now THAT'S saying something!
Zim - Trevor Gripper. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Booze Hound

And Dipper. You really must be an Essex fan to put the case for Irani :)

Hehe well he's just smashed an unbeaten double ton for Essex this week:D ,I don't put Essex players forward for England, England is a massively more imortant to me than Essex but I genuinely feel that he's worth a shot in the 1day team his figures this season with bat & ball have been really impressive.

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
New Zealand unbeten at home during the 80's?

Must have rained a lot!



Weren't they the only side to beat the Windies in a series in the whole of the 80's as well (or for a 10 year period anyway-I'm sure Player will be able to tell us:D )

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Brett Li
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DIPPER
[B]

I would have Greg Thomas in there-he was so hyped up (worryingly like simon Jones now) as the great white hope-I still remember one of his open spells away to the Windies in 85/86 when Greenidge & Haynes went to town on him he had figures of something like 10-0-100-0 at one point & this was a test match-now i'm sure they couldn't have been quite that bad but that's what my memory is telling me.

I remember Greg taking 2 Pakistani wickets in the first over of a test match in 1987. The sheer delight on the welsh dragon's face having sent 2 through the top order, was replaced with abject disbelief as he saw himself "munged" to finish over the 100 mark for his 13 overs or so.

Yeah I remember it well it was actually a 1 dayer & it was the first 2 balls of the match, he was on a hatrick with the 3rd ball & beat the guy outside the offstump the crowd was going beserk & then as you rightly point out he got carted all over the shop & we lost the game.:D

[sapaul]

Originally posted by Darky
Duds with more than a few matches to their names :
WI - Daren Ganga, Patrick "Rambo" Patterson


Surely add Richard Gabriel to that list?

[sapaul]

I think his name was Richard?

[Player]

Originally posted by DIPPER


Weren't they the only side to beat the Windies in a series in the whole of the 80's as well (or for a 10 year period anyway-I'm sure Player will be able to tell us:D )


Well I don't know what the rest of the world was doing, but the Windies had no answers against the run scoring/wicket taking machine that is New Zealand cricket.

1980, in between the bowler Croft running into the Umpire Goodall, and all the aggro, New Zealand won the series one-nil.

Don't you just love the way cricket brings people together.

[Brett Li]

On the extensive list of jokes to become Black Caps, can anyone remember Jonathon Milmow?.

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by Brett Li
On the extensive list of jokes to become Black Caps, can anyone remember Jonathon Milmow?.

Black Cap international or Lame Pantomime Horse?

[Player]

Originally posted by Brett Li
On the extensive list of jokes to become Black Caps, can anyone remember Jonathon Milmow?.

Ha Ha Ha. Ed Giddins.

[Brett Li]

How many test caps did Trevor Hohns "win"?

[sapaul]

Originally posted by Brett Li
How many test caps did Trevor Hohns "win"?

7 I think.

[Brett Li]

Originally posted by sapaul


7 I think. #

you think 7, or you KNOW 7?

[sapaul]

Originally posted by Brett Li
#

you think 7, or you KNOW 7?

I am 99% certain it is 7.

2 vs The West Indies in 1988-89.

5 vs England Ashes 1989.

Yep just got it confirmed.

7 tests 136 runs avge: 22.67 3 catches
17 wickets at 34.12

Highest score: 40
Best bowling 3/59

[dogs105]

Originally posted by Darky
Duds with more than a few matches to their names :

Aus - Colin Miller, struggled at shield level, how the hell did he become Test player of the year?


Taking wickets?

[dogs105]

Originally posted by SeinDude


6. Peter Sleep




Not sure about this one. One of Australia's best players in mid eighties. (With the bat anyway!)

[London Dave]

Pretty sure he was picked as a bowler though!

One of the problems of Oz in the mid 80's, picked a lot of bowlers on the 'strength' of their batting......bowlers are there to bowl sides out, not take a couple of wickets and score 30 odd in a losing cause

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by London Dave
Pretty sure he was picked as a bowler though!

One of the problems of Oz in the mid 80's, picked a lot of bowlers on the 'strength' of their batting......bowlers are there to bowl sides out, not take a couple of wickets and score 30 odd in a losing cause

Who are you thinking of? Simon O'Donnell, Greg Matthews and Peter Sleep? Followed the trend when picking 'keepers too - how else would you explain the selection of Wayne Phillips?:D

England have often followed this (in my opinion mistaken) course over a similar period. David Capel, Dermot Reeve, Chris Cowdrey, Graeme Hick:D, Ronnie Irani, Craig White, etc. (sure there a lot more).

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sapaul


I am 99% certain it is 7.

2 vs The West Indies in 1988-89.

5 vs England Ashes 1989.

Yep just got it confirmed.

7 tests 136 runs avge: 22.67 3 catches
17 wickets at 34.12

Highest score: 40
Best bowling 3/59

Fantastic bank of knowledge on obscure cricketers you seem to carry around with you!:D

[Brett Li]

Sapaul,

How many caps did Peter Taylor manage to scrape together and who were these against, in chronological order, just from memory mind, no looking? :D ;)

[sapaul]

Ummm yes it is just coming to me.

Peter Taylor debuted against England in 1986-87 playing just the last test of the series.

1 off test matches in 1987-88 against England and Sri Lanka.

Then 1988-89 where he played in the 1st and 3rd tests against Pakistan.

Still 1988-89 he played 2 more tests(3rd and 4th) against West Indies.(replaced in the 5th by Hohns funnily enough).

Then 1989-90 he played the last 2 tests against Pakistan and the 1 off test match against New Zealand.

1990-91 played the 5th test against the Windies.

1991-92 played the first 2 tests against India(was dropped for 3rd test in Sydney for Warne's debut I think).

1996 I suffered amnesia for awhile so as long as he hasn't played a test match in the last 6 years which I am pretty sure he hasn't he played a grand total of 13 test matches for Australia.

Who next Brett Li?Ray Bright?:D

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by dogs105
Not sure about this one. One of Australia's best players in mid eighties. (With the bat anyway!)

Peter Sleep's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 14 Innings: 21
Not Outs: 1
Runs: 483
Highest Score: 90
50's: 3 100's: 0
Average: 24.15

BOWLING:
Wickets: 31 Best Bowling: 5-72
5 Wicket Innings: 1
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 45.06
Econ. Rate: 2.81 runs per over
Strike Rate: 96.1 balls per wicket


Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[sapaul]

That proves he was a dud at test level, could he field?

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by sapaul
That proves he was a dud at test level, could he field?

Well one thing is for sure, knowing the quality of our bowling attack at the time, Peter Sleep would have had plenty of opportunities to field!! :D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Booze Hound]

No.

I've given it a lot of thought.

Jeremy Coney was awful.

Can't say any more than that.

[NYPomme]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Booze Hound
No.

I've given it a lot of thought.

Jeremy Coney was awful.

Can't say any more than that.

LOL.......yep - still no argument from me on that one!:D

Talent and Jeff Crowe ......what am I thinking of?.....oh yeah ....Oil and Water

:D

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
No.

I've given it a lot of thought.

Jeremy Coney was awful.

Can't say any more than that.

Jeremy Coney's record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 52 Innings: 85
Not Outs: 14
Runs: 2668
Highest Score: 174*
50's: 16 100's: 3
Average: 37.57

Catches: 64

BOWLING:
Wickets: 27 Best Bowling: 3-28
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 35.77
Econ. Rate: 2.04 runs per over
Strike Rate: 105.0 balls per wicket







Originally posted by NYPomme
Talent and Jeff Crowe ......what am I thinking of?.....oh yeah ....Oil and Water

Jeff Crowe's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 39 Innings: 65
Not Outs: 4
Runs: 1601
Highest Score: 128
50's: 6 100's: 3
Average: 26.24

Catches: 41

BOWLING:
Wickets: 0 Best Bowling: N/A
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: N/A
Econ. Rate: 3.00 runs per over
Strike Rate: N/A




Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by SeinDude

Jeremy Coney's record - TESTS
BATTING
Matches: 52 Innings: 85
Not Outs: 14
Runs: 2668
Highest Score: 174*
50's: 16 100's: 3
Average: 37.57
Catches: 64
BOWLING:
Wickets: 27 Best Bowling: 3-28
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 35.77
Econ. Rate: 2.04 runs per over
Strike Rate: 105.0 balls per wicket


Jeff Crowe's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 39 Innings: 65
Not Outs: 4
Runs: 1601
Highest Score: 128
50's: 6 100's: 3
Average: 26.24

Catches: 41

BOWLING:
Wickets: 0 Best Bowling: N/A
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: N/A
Econ. Rate: 3.00 runs per over
Strike Rate: N/A


Yep...thanks SeinDude - we have statistical proof now.

Jeremy Coney......as a bowler.....27 wickets in 52 tests....so not even an all-rounder....we must look at the batting........

52 matches...average of 37......nah.....pump! very very average record with the bat.

Jeff Crowe......batting average of 26 .......26? I rest my case!

[Booze Hound]

Coney's still a horse I tell ya........

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by NYPomme
Yep...thanks SeinDude - we have statistical proof now.

Jeremy Coney......as a bowler.....27 wickets in 52 tests....so not even an all-rounder....we must look at the batting........

52 matches...average of 37......nah.....pump! very very average record with the bat.

Jeff Crowe......batting average of 26 .......26? I rest my case!

Jeremy Coney didn't have a bad record at test level.... a batting average of 37 is respectable, especially playing in a time where the West Indies were terrorising batsman with 4 very fast bowlers in their attack, and 27 wickets at 35 is handy for a part-time bowler.

As for Jeff Crowe, he would certainly get a game in the New Zealand "Turkey XI" and how they made him captain with that record is beyond me!!

The same could be said for Ken Rutherford as well!!

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Player]

Career against England

Tests 10 Innings 16
Runs 622
High Score 174*
Average 47.84

Series Results v England
England in England 1983: England win
England in New Zealand 1983/84: New Zealand win
England in England 1986: New Zealand win [first test series victory against England in England]

Yes, I can now see why the English wouldn't rate him.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
Why Dirk?
He had potential! :D

Nick,

I feel Dirk was a worthy choice in my Australian "Turkey XI" looking at his test record below. ;)



Dirk Wellham's record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 6 Innings: 11
Not Outs: 0
Runs: 257
Highest Score: 103
50's: 0 100's: 1
Average: 23.36

Catches:5

BOWLING:
Wickets: N/A Best Bowling: N/A
5 Wicket Innings: N/A
10 Wicket Matches: N/A
Average: N/A
Econ. Rate: N/A
Strike Rate: N/A



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Player
Ken Rutherford (c) - Test captain, 60 tests, first drop, average 26.

Ken Rutherford's record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 56 Innings: 99
Not Outs: 8
Runs: 2465
Highest Score: 107*
50's: 18 100's: 3
Average: 27.08

Catches: 32

BOWLING:
Wickets: 1 Best Bowling: 1-38
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 161.00
Econ. Rate: 3.77 runs per over
Strike Rate: 256.0 balls per wicket


I think these figures speak for themselves!! With a highest score of only 107* in 56 tests, it's not hard to see why the New Zealand batting struggled with him as captain!!

Just out of curiousity, who was the one batsman he got out?? LOL!! :D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Squeak]

Originally posted by SeinDude




Just out of curiousity, who was the one batsman he got out?? LOL!! :D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

Larry Gomes, in the 2nd test between West Indies and South Africa in 1984/85, Ken Rutherford's 2nd test.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Squeak
Larry Gomes, in the 2nd test between West Indies and South Africa in 1984/85, Ken Rutherford's 2nd test.

Squeak,

Thanks for that mate!! :)

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Brett Li
How many test caps did Trevor Hohns "win"?

Trevor Hohns' record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 7 Innings: 7
Not Outs: 1
Runs: 136
Highest Score: 40
50's: 0 100's: 0
Average: 22.66

Catches: 3

BOWLING:
Wickets: 17 Best Bowling: 3-59
5 Wicket Innings: 0
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 34.11
Econ. Rate: 2.27 runs per over
Strike Rate: 89.8 balls per wicket




Originally posted by Brett Li
How many caps did Peter Taylor manage to scrape together

Peter Taylor's record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 13 Innings: 19
Not Outs: 3
Runs: 431
Highest Score: 87
50's: 2 100's: 0
Average: 26.93

Catches: 10

BOWLING:
Wickets: 27 Best Bowling: 6-78
5 Wicket Innings: 1
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 39.55
Econ. Rate: 2.87 runs per over
Strike Rate: 82.4 balls per wicket




Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[sapaul]

Geez, I got the records for Brett Li but Seindude you've outdone my pitiful effort I'm afraid.::)

[GoEagles]

The only thing I can remember about Ken Rutherford was that in a test match at the WACA in the 90s he gave the Channel Nine Commentators the 'bird' sign after taking a catch - apparently they had been giving him heaps about his fielding during the week prior.

[The Hippie]

GoEagles, I think that was Mark Greatbach that gave the signal to the commentary box, unless they've both done it at some stage. From memory it was in the same game that Greatbach got 150-60 odd n.o. to help the Kiwis to a draw.

[sapaul]

WACA November 24-28 1989.

Australia 9/521 declared

D.Boon 200
D.Jones 99
S.Waugh 17 c.Greatbatch b.Sneddon(possibly that catch?)

New Zealand 231 all out

M.Greatbatch 76
M.Crowe 62
M.Hughes 4/51

New Zealand 7/322

M.Greatbatch 146not out

[dogs105]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Peter Sleep's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 14 Innings: 21
Not Outs: 1
Runs: 483
Highest Score: 90
50's: 3 100's: 0
Average: 24.15

BOWLING:
Wickets: 31 Best Bowling: 5-72
5 Wicket Innings: 1
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 45.06
Econ. Rate: 2.81 runs per over
Strike Rate: 96.1 balls per wicket


Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

Yeah, but he made most of those 483 in one 3 test series!! ;) I think that he may even have batted at 6! Won the series for us!!! (Along with S. Waugh's bowling in the first match!)

[Player]

Originally posted by sapaul
WACA November 24-28 1989.

Australia 9/521 declared

D.Boon 200
D.Jones 99
S.Waugh 17 c.Greatbatch b.Sneddon(possibly that catch?)

New Zealand 231 all out

M.Greatbatch 76
M.Crowe 62
M.Hughes 4/51

New Zealand 7/322

M.Greatbatch 146not out

Unfortunately it was this test

GABBA December 3-7 1993

New Zealand 233 All Out

Andrew Jones 56
Mark Greatbatch 35

Craig McDermott 4-39

Australia 607/6 Declared

S Waugh 147*
A Border 105
D Boon 89
S Warne 74*
M Waugh 68 [This wicket]

Simon Doull 2-105

New Zealand 278 All Out

Ken Rutherford 86
Mark Greatbatch 2

Australia win by an innings an 96 runs

Andrew Jones was the first NZ cricketer to give the Australian media the finger. After getting a bagging during his first test in Australia, walking to the dressing room he told them what he thought after getting run out for 150 in the second test.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Booze Hound
Dipak (Worcestershire 2's to NZ Test team) Patel

Dipak Patel's record - TESTS

BATTING
Matches: 37 Innings: 66
Not Outs: 8
Runs: 1200
Highest Score: 99
50's: 5 100's: 0
Average: 20.68

Catches: 15

BOWLING:
Wickets: 75 Best Bowling: 6-50
5 Wicket Innings: 3
10 Wicket Matches: 0
Average: 42.05
Econ. Rate: 2.86 runs per over
Strike Rate: 87.9 balls per wicket



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by dogs105
Yeah, but he made most of those 483 in one 3 test series!! ;) I think that he may even have batted at 6! Won the series for us!!! (Along with S. Waugh's bowling in the first match!)

Was it the home series against Pakistan in 1988/89?

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Brett Li]

Is this the longest thread on the cricket board this far?

Sapaul, can you bring your extensive stat-based memory to this question?. No peeking, not even a little one.....

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Brett Li
Is this the longest thread on the cricket board this far?


Brett Li,

And all quality too mate!! :):)

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[London Dave]

Don't think Sleep 'won' the series v Pak in 89/90, seeing his last test was the first in that series...dont think he ever 'won' a series...though he made a few runs v NZ one summer


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[dogs105]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Was it the home series against Pakistan in 1988/89?

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

No. vs NZ, around 1987. Only solid batsman in the side!!!

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by dogs105
No. vs NZ, around 1987. Only solid batsman in the side!!!

That was the series where Mike Whitney blocked out the last overs to force a draw in the MCG test, with the last over bowled by Richard Hadlee.

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Player]

Originally posted by SeinDude


That was the series where Mike Whitney blocked out the last overs to force a draw in the MCG test, with the last over bowled by Richard Hadlee.

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

You mean plum LBW and given not out.

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Player
You mean plum LBW and given not out.

There was some doubt there with that LBW appeal. The doubt was if it would have hit all 3 stumps, or just middle!! :D:D:D

There must have been a very faint inside edge. ;)

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Brett Li]

West Indies:

Clyde Butts?

[Player]

Originally posted by SeinDude


There was some doubt there with that LBW appeal. The doubt was if it would have hit all 3 stumps, or just middle!! :D:D:D

There must have been a very faint inside edge. ;)

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

I actually saw that delivery for the first time this year, and they used that ball tracking technology thingy.

I'm surprised they even bothered to appeal and they didn't all start grabbing 'victory' stumps.

Another entry to be revenged in the book of grudges. ;)

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Player
I actually saw that delivery for the first time this year, and they used that ball tracking technology thingy.

I'm surprised they even bothered to appeal and they didn't all start grabbing 'victory' stumps.

Another entry to be revenged in the book of grudges. ;)

What next? Shall we talk about that famous "underarm delivery" incident when the Australian captain Greg Chappell instructed his brother Trevor Chappell to bowl the last ball to New Zealand's Brian McKechnie along the ground to prevent hitting a six to tie the match back in the early 1980's???

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Player]

Why?

Was Mike Whitney plumb LBW and given not out in that game as well.

[Brett Li]

Originally posted by Player
Why?

Was Mike Whitney plumb LBW and given not out in that game as well.

lol:p

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by Player
Why?

Was Mike Whitney plumb LBW and given not out in that game as well.

Player,

LOL!! Nah mate, I was just trying to get you going after your comment about adding to the book of grudges before. :D;):D

Have you heard of The 12th Man?? Tony Greig says, "to me, a grudge is just a place to park your car!!"... :D:D

Anyway, just for the record, I managed to dig up Mike Whitney's statistics at test level.



Mike Whitney's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 12 Innings: 19
Not Outs: 8
Runs: 68
Highest Score: 13
50's: 0 100's: 0
Average: 6.18

Catches: 2

BOWLING:
Wickets: 39 Best Bowling: 7-27
5 Wicket Innings: 2
10 Wicket Matches: 1
Average: 33.97
Econ. Rate: 2.97 runs per over
Strike Rate: 68.5 balls per wicket



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[Player]

The 12th Man, anything taking the **** out of the Aussie commentators would of course be bloody popular in NZ.

[dr nick]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Player,

LOL!! Nah mate, I was just trying to get you going after your comment about adding to the book of grudges before. :D;):D

Have you heard of The 12th Man?? Tony Greig says, "to me, a grudge is just a place to park your car!!"... :D:D

Anyway, just for the record, I managed to dig up Mike Whitney's statistics at test level.



Mike Whitney's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 12 Innings: 19
Not Outs: 8
Runs: 68
Highest Score: 13
50's: 0 100's: 0
Average: 6.18

Catches: 2

BOWLING:
Wickets: 39 Best Bowling: 7-27
5 Wicket Innings: 2
10 Wicket Matches: 1
Average: 33.97
Econ. Rate: 2.97 runs per over
Strike Rate: 68.5 balls per wicket



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

to me, a grudge is nothing more than a place to park your car

[Richie Benaud]

Originally posted by Player
The 12th Man, anything taking the **** out of the Aussie commentators would of course be bloody popular in NZ.

Strooth! I still can't figure out why people always get me mixed up with Darryl "bloody" Eastlake!

[dogs105]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Player,

LOL!! Nah mate, I was just trying to get you going after your comment about adding to the book of grudges before. :D;):D

Have you heard of The 12th Man?? Tony Greig says, "to me, a grudge is just a place to park your car!!"... :D:D

Anyway, just for the record, I managed to dig up Mike Whitney's statistics at test level.



Mike Whitney's record - TESTS

BATTING:
Matches: 12 Innings: 19
Not Outs: 8
Runs: 68
Highest Score: 13
50's: 0 100's: 0
Average: 6.18

Catches: 2

BOWLING:
Wickets: 39 Best Bowling: 7-27
5 Wicket Innings: 2
10 Wicket Matches: 1
Average: 33.97
Econ. Rate: 2.97 runs per over
Strike Rate: 68.5 balls per wicket



Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

SeinDude, can you possibly confirm, (or not), that Mike Whitney actually took more first class wickets than scored first class runs?

[London Dave]

Whitneys stats (http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/AUS/W/WHITNEY_MR_02001649/)


415 Runs, 412 wickets in 1st class

40 runs, 46 wkts in ODI

116 rus, 112 wkts in domestic limited overs...

[SeinDude]

Originally posted by London Dave
Whitneys stats (http://www-uk.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/AUS/W/WHITNEY_MR_02001649/)

415 Runs, 412 wickets in 1st class

40 runs, 46 wkts in ODI

116 rus, 112 wkts in domestic limited overs...

Mike Whitney will be most remembered for saying 3 words....

"WHO DARES WINS!!"... :D:D:D

Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude

[sapaul]

Originally posted by SeinDude


Mike Whitney will be most remembered for saying 3 words....

"WHO DARES WINS!!"... :D:D:D



And...."GOOD LUCK MATE".

[gupta]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but the WSC era enabled numerous deadset hacks to get a baggy green.

Ric Darling, Trevor Laughlin, David Ogilvie, Alan Hurst, Sam Gannon, Peter Toohey, Craig Serjeant, Tony Mann, John Maclean to name a few off the top of my head.

[sapaul]

Trevor Chappell and Shaun Graf also.