View Full Version : The Age: "Thornton on the trade table, Hawthorn interested"
philhawk
10 Oct 2007, 00:45
Supposedly we're set to offer Boyle in a straight swap (SEN reporting for the Age).
All I can say is,
.....................................
1. Boyle > Thornton
2. Gilham > Thornton
3. Hawthorn doesn't need Thornton
4. Thornton has a win ratio that's almost as bad as Thurgood (i'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here)
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/hawks-again-target-thornton/2007/10/09/1191695909391.html
Hawks again target Thornton
Stephen Rielly | October 10, 2007
THE deal that wasn't this time last year may be reprised, with Hawthorn rekindling its interest in Carlton defender Bret Thornton.
The Hawks — who convinced Thornton to join them 12 months ago, only for both to be denied at the 11th hour by Carlton's refusal to trade — inquired about the 23-year-old on Monday and are expected to take their interest further once the Blues finalise the Chris Judd deal, which may be tomorrow.
Carlton signed Thornton on a three-year deal as a consequence of Hawthorn's initial play for him but much has changed since then. The Blues are likely to lose young forward Josh Kennedy to West Coast as part of the Judd deal, there are doubts over the future of Lance Whitnall and a crop of younger Blues backmen have emerged.
The Blues can better afford to lose a defender than in 2006 and have a stronger need for a forward. That player may be Hawk forward Tim Boyle, who produced a breakthrough season this year but is one of half a dozen young tall forwards in the brown and gold.
It is believed the Blues, who also may move on young Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock once the Judd deal is complete, indicated to Hawthorn on Monday that they were prepared to listen.
The ruck marketplace was shaken out yesterday, with Mark Blake declining an offer from St Kilda and deciding to remain with Geelong, which now seems certain to trade former captain and premiership ruckman Steven King.
The Cats have a salary cap squeeze on their hands and see Blake, at 22, as their future. With Brad Ottens in control of the first ruck position and Trent West developing at VFL level, King has become surplus to requirements only a fortnight after being a part of the club's first premiership in 44 years. The 28-year-old was being linked with the Saints last night, possibly for their second-round selection, pick 26.
In the event Blake stayed a Cat, the Saints were prepared to pursue Brisbane Lion Cameron Wood but he seems destined for Collingwood, in exchange for the Magpies' first-round selection, pick 14, which the Lions may on-trade to Melbourne for midfielder Travis Johnstone.
The Western Bulldogs got their man yesterday, Ben Hudson, with Adelaide agreeing to accept an unspecified second-round pick for the ruckman. The Bulldogs hold pick 22 in the second round but were trying to acquire a later pick in the round to give to the Crows.
It also emerged yesterday that out-of-contract Sydney premiership midfielder Jude Bolton is not certain to be a Swan by the end of the week.
The 27-year-old has finished inside the top 10 of the Sydney best-and-fairest count for the past five years as a clearance specialist, but may be the casualty of a salary-cap squeeze and a concession from coach Paul Roos to the quickening pace of the game. Roos said the Swans would not move Bolton on at any price but noted how important the play-on style game had become.
This was why, Roos said, Martin Mattner was recruited yesterday and there was interest in Bulldog Sam Power.
"I've said to our players, they all know, that we're looking to refresh and renew our team," Roos said. "We didn't target anyone with that conversation and I'd think Jude will be with us next year."
Roughie
10 Oct 2007, 00:48
Thornton was resigned last off season for 3 years for too much money.
If we trade for him ill be so ****ing pissed off!!! I rather develop Gilly and Dawson then bring in a guy who is shit one on one in. There is a reason why Carlton are the highest scored against team in the league!
KingRich
10 Oct 2007, 00:49
I dont like it Phil but I dont think I'd be completely shattered if it went through. I dont mind the idea of Thornton still. I'd almost prefer Carroll though and I reckon we could get him for a lot less.
Delisted
10 Oct 2007, 00:50
Supposedly we're set to offer Boyle in a straight swap (SEN reporting for the Age).
All I can say is,
.....................................
1. Boyle > Thornton
2. Gilham > Thornton
3. Hawthorn doesn't need Thornton
4. Thornton has a win ratio that's almost as bad as Thurgood (i'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here)
We need a decent backman, but when one comes up its just not good enough?
Boyle for Thornton? Yes.
philhawk
10 Oct 2007, 00:53
We need a decent backman, but when one comes up its just not good enough?
Boyle for Thornton? Yes.
We need a decent backman.
That doens't mean we need to trade for any backman that becomes available on the market.
Fact of the matter is that any one of our back six currently is a better player than Thornton.
SS_Fury
10 Oct 2007, 00:54
if willow return to form you will be laughing with this trade....willow is a gun for a small forward, wish we had him in WA
Roughie
10 Oct 2007, 00:55
We need a decent backman, but when one comes up its just not good enough?
Boyle for Thornton? Yes.
You seriously rate Thornton as a future premiership fullback?
RustyHawk
10 Oct 2007, 01:01
Maybe Dawson for Thornton???
He would have to have his contract reduced though, no way we pay Carltons prices ( we dont do under the counter deals)
Delisted
10 Oct 2007, 01:01
We need a decent backman.
That doens't mean we need to trade for any backman that becomes available on the market.
Fact of the matter is that any one of our back six currently is a better player than Thornton.
No not any defender, but if this is true and Thornton is on the table then its a chance to snare a good backman.
And so thornton wouldnt fit into our back six as players that are there better? Please.
Delisted
10 Oct 2007, 01:03
You seriously rate Thornton as a future premiership fullback?
Seems a much better option than Dawson. And i'd rather croad taking on the bigger forwards.
Croad>thornton>gilham
philhawk
10 Oct 2007, 01:04
No not any defender, but if this is true and Thornton is on the table then its a chance to snare a good backman.
And so thornton wouldnt fit into our back six as players that are there better? Please.
Brown
Gilham
Croad
Birchall
Ladson
Ellis/Jacobs/Guerra (I hate to admit)
Which one of those is he better than?
Thornton is useless. Boyle with his finals yips > Thornton and his 3yr millions.
Delisted
10 Oct 2007, 01:11
Brown
Gilham
Croad
Birchall
Ladson
Ellis/Jacobs/Guerra (I hate to admit)
Which one of those is he better than?
Ok your problem there is you have listed 3 KPP's one who doesnt get a game.
Who is he better than? Well considering a KPP is different to an HBF/Winger, it doesnt make sense to say. Also it doesnt do Thornton Justice that he's playing for one of the shittest teams of the modern era.
Roughie
10 Oct 2007, 01:14
Seems a much better option than Dawson. And i'd rather croad taking on the bigger forwards.
Croad>thornton>gilham
Would you rather see us aquire Thornton, or try trade up and aquire someone like Rance who we could develop as a full back option?
Delisted
10 Oct 2007, 01:20
Would you rather see us aquire Thornton, or try trade up and aquire someone like Rance who we could develop as a full back option?
Well Thornton is a quick/Long term fix whereas Rance may be a better player we will still be waiting another 2-3 years for him to become an established player... if he becomes that.
Look, its a tough one to answer...I'd have to give it more thought. How about you?
thatswhatimtalkinabout
10 Oct 2007, 01:22
$350 000 a season guys. It's big bucks for a guy that might make it as a premier player. Think Jade Rawlings.
Funnily enough, and I have never actually bagged Dawson ever, but I'd rather pay him that sort of coin because I reckon he has more upside if he can keep his nose clean.
Thornton does want to play for the Hawks after all...............
bit of passion there......
Hodge2Franklin
10 Oct 2007, 05:21
Would you rather see us aquire Thornton, or try trade up and aquire someone like Rance who we could develop as a full back option?
Rance ...:thumbsu:
Fabulous
10 Oct 2007, 06:17
Thornton had a poor year. Can he play better? Did he tank it? Can we afford to take over his salary? Isn't Roughead heading to the backline next year?
Adelaide Hawk
10 Oct 2007, 07:27
Thornton can get stuffed. He had his chance last year, but he used us to get a better deal for himself at Carlton. We don't need people like that. He should stay at Carlton where they appreciate that sort of thing.
Mitchell Madness
10 Oct 2007, 08:22
Thornton was resigned last off season for 3 years for too much money.
If we trade for him ill be so ****ing pissed off!!! I rather develop Gilly and Dawson then bring in a guy who is shit one on one in. There is a reason why Carlton are the highest scored against team in the league!
why would you be pissed? Carlton have to pay the contract as they were the ones who signed it, and we would have to pay Boyles, which is less then thorntons so therefore it would be a big win for us.
It might be ok. Thornton might flourish in our side. Someone said his 'heart' wasn't in it this season. Add to the equation he was in a terrible side, holding up their backline. Moving to Hawthorn (his prefered club) could motivate and provide a new lease of life. He also will be playing in a stronger defence.
I still don't won't to give up Boyle though. Not until at least some of the kids.. Thorp & Dowler begin their development in the side! :cool:
It might be ok. Thornton might flourish in our side. Someone said his 'heart' wasn't in it this season. Add to the equation he was in a terrible side, holding up their backline. Moving to Hawthorn (his prefered club) could motivate and provide a new lease of life. He also will be playing in a stronger defence.
That's how i see it. But i would be happy to move Boyler along.
Robber Baron
10 Oct 2007, 09:17
I recon that Carelton have told him to cut his wages so they can pay Judd the millions he wants. I recon that all the good work Pelchin did last year is paying of and were gunna get him for nothing. Thornton knows that were going places and theres already trouble there at Carlton with Pratt getting caught cheating in busines and Judd walkiing around like hes a milionarie and owns the joint telling them what he wants. Were gunna get our fullback and thats got us the premiership for sure.
I just had another thought.. *well done Mojo* Thornton is just a more experienced Gilham. I thought we needed a big FB? Someone like Harris or Merrett would be more ideal.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
10 Oct 2007, 09:38
Those who are scoffing at Thornton's wages need to realise that we would have to pay a fair portion of it - as he re-signed him less than a year ago.
I also think you are all being a bit harsh on Brett.
IMHO he could be All Australian if allowed to play his natural position (as a 3rd tall) - for years he's had to hold up the defence in a side that has been badly beaten through the midfield.
I have no doubt at all he'd shine in a more polished side like yours.
PADJUAN
10 Oct 2007, 09:45
im with mojo on this one.. theres no need to recruit someone unless they fill a required gap or add another dimension to the team. thornton just adds to the gilham/dawson/3rd tall collection.. if it came down to trading boyle id much rather trade for a early 2nd round pick, which gives us some currency either at the trade table or in the draft.
Thornton can get stuffed. He had his chance last year, but he used us to get a better deal for himself at Carlton. We don't need people like that. He should stay at Carlton where they appreciate that sort of thing.
In fairness to Thornton, he told Carlton he wanted to come over and they refused to trade him and told him they'd pick him in the PSD if he tried to go that way. There's not much more that he can do.
I wouldn't mind having Thornton, but I worry that he is similar to Gilham and still wouldn't address our need for a second genuine KPP to work with Croad. He'd certainly add to our depth and options though. I don't like the idea of trading Boyle much either, look how good a year he had after finally getting through a pre-season, he's only going to be better next season. True we have other young forwards coming through, but all have injury concerns and there is no guarantee they will actually be playing next season.
There is no way Carlton will get rid of Thornton...Our backline is thin already and we couldn't afford to trade our number 1 backman..very amusing some of the rumours you see flying around during trade week
C4[2]Yo`DooR
10 Oct 2007, 10:17
There is no way Carlton will get rid of Thornton...Our backline is thin already and we couldn't afford to trade our number 1 backman..very amusing some of the rumours you see flying around during trade week
Given that - we are in a better position to trade him off this year with the emergence of: Setanta, Jamison, Austin and even to an extent Hartlett - when compared to last year.
Yo`DooR;9123665']Given that - we are in a better position to trade him off this year with the emergence of: Setanta, Jamison, Austin and even to an extent Hartlett - when compared to last year.
And with Judd, the ball won't be in the back half as much.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
10 Oct 2007, 10:23
And with Judd, the ball won't be in the back half as much.
lets hope so !
There is no way Carlton will get rid of Thornton...Our backline is thin already and we couldn't afford to trade our number 1 backman..very amusing some of the rumours you see flying around during trade week
Yes, you would think after all the trouble the Blues went through to keep Thornton last year, why would they now abandon him?
Is it possible the Blues would consider this as part of the Judd deal, say Boyle in lieu of Kennedy?
Whatever, I am dead against trading Boyle. I believe we should not consider trading this year at all - steady as she goes. There is much speculation that we have an abundance of forwards but in fact some are as yet not proven.
I'm sitting on the fence a fair bit on this one..
Thornton > Gilham > DJ
But he's still useless
People are saying he can be a great player if he's allowed to play his natural position; 3rd tall. We however, need a FB.
I'd rather have a crack at Rance
C4[2]Yo`DooR
10 Oct 2007, 10:33
I'm sitting on the fence a fair bit on this one..
Thornton > Gilham > DJ
But he's still useless
People are saying he can be a great player if he's allowed to play his natural position; 3rd tall. We however, need a FB.
I'd rather have a crack at Rance
While thats true - that he is naturally a 3rd tall, I think if he played FB at the Hawks we would be made to look a hell of a lot better than he currently does when being forced to play FB for us.
Given your midfield - the ball probably doesn't enter your defensive 50 as often.
cschreuder61
10 Oct 2007, 11:04
Maybe getting Judd might mean Blues will have some up-coming salary cap issues in the coming years as their younger player start to demand more money as they improve.
They signed Thornton on for a fair wack, so maybe that is a reason they could let him go, although they would probably want someone like Boyle in return.
I rate Thornton. With a better midfield who applies more pressure, and support in Gilham, Croad, Brown he would be a certain assett. You hear people say the same stuff all hear "we need a defender, we need a classy midfielder" etc then one comes up, and it amazes me that people turn their noses up at them.
We are never going to get a Scarlett, Rutten, Glass, Harris through trade week, it just doesn't happen. What you can look for is those players in the B grade type level, like Thornton, who would improve in a better environment and add value to the side. Its about the back 6 as a whole, not as individual players so much, and we seem to moulding a good 6, but maybe lack that 1 tall.
It probably wont happen, as most talk in trade week never does, but its certainly something I would welcome to the side, as I did last year.
The question needs to be asked:
Why would a team that leaks as many goals as Carlton, trade away one of their supposedly better backmen?
A.1. He's not that good.
A.2. He's not big enough to play KP.
A.3. Injuries have slowed him down, so now he's not big enough to play on the big forwards, and he's too slow to play on the smaller, more athletic forwards.
Just say no.
lickmerocks
10 Oct 2007, 12:09
Thornton 335k per year for 3 years.
if we pick him up he will cost us 670k for the next 2 seasons....A bit rich for Brett i would think.
Hawks rate him highly tho so perhaps they may be able to get the best footy out of him.
chrismew
10 Oct 2007, 12:28
Bit undecided about this, I like Thornton as a player but he is not big enough to hold down a key position defensive post, which is what we need at the moment.
Very interesting that after Carlton moved mountains to keep him, that he is trade bait a year later.
cschreuder61
10 Oct 2007, 12:43
The question needs to be asked:
Why would a team that leaks as many goals as Carlton, trade away one of their supposedly better backmen?
A.1. He's not that good.
A.2. He's not big enough to play KP.
A.3. Injuries have slowed him down, so now he's not big enough to play on the big forwards, and he's too slow to play on the smaller, more athletic forwards.
Just say no.
They are getting Judd and will have salary cap issues?
FatBoy's Wombats
10 Oct 2007, 12:53
Please make it go away, please make it go away. La la la la
Thorton showed this year he ain't worth that much
Roughie
10 Oct 2007, 13:01
Yo`DooR;9123342'].
IMHO he could be All Australian if allowed to play his natural position (as a 3rd tall) - for years he's had to hold up the defence in a side that has been badly beaten through the midfield.
Great another potential star third tall, thats all we need.
hawks a plenty
10 Oct 2007, 13:54
guys i think thornton would be a good pick up at the right price. Only hawthorn knows how developed dowler/thorpe are. if they think they can step up it wouldnt hurt swapping players but if they arent developed enough we would be crazy to do that deal. If we can get thornton for less maybe 2nd round draft pick then all good.
I am cautious to trade boyle. start of the year boyle no way but end of season boyle get in while he is hot.
Carroll from melbourne lets get him in pre season draft or last pick in national draft.
We need backman
hawkstars
10 Oct 2007, 15:12
We need a decent backman, but when one comes up its just not good enough?
Boyle for Thornton? Yes.
The word you said is decent. Thornton is definately NOT that. We can find someone better. I would rather play Dawson. C'mon. Ask any Carlton supporter and they will tell you this guy is rubbish. Selfish and Sh**!:thumbsd:
Matt Murder
10 Oct 2007, 18:42
The picture on the home page of realfooty.com looks remarkably like Nathan Thompson rather than Boyle.